Originally Posted by onwebcam

Regardless of where you are from does any of this sound familiar?

?Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions.

Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call ?Social Insurance.? Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.? Edward Mandell House

Originally Posted by Rico Shades

God please fall. I really, really would like to shoot those hot Euro sluts for $200.

Originally Posted by Ethersync

Interesting. I know that EMH was one of the founders of the CFR, but do you have a source for this quote?

Originally Posted by Ethersync

The people of Europe overwhelmingly do not support the Treaty of Lisbon (aka the EU Constitution). It was voted down in referendums in France, Holland, certainly would have been in the UK and arguably most of the rest of Europe had they not stopped having referendums due to lack of public support. Instead of listening to the people, politicians in pretty much every country in the EU, except for Ireland, decide to do a backdoor deal of sorts. Politicians in Ireland followed their constitutional mandate and had a public referendum on the adoption of the treaty (constitution) and, just like everywhere else in Europe that did the same prior, it was voted DOWN by the people. You criticize this and referring to it as "a kick in the ass"? Sorry, but you sound like a fucking fascist

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

If you show me one single EU citizen that does know what is the core subject of the Lisbon treaty and will be able to put together two sensible sentences about it I will believe you.

Originally Posted by MaDalton

sigh... why the name calling? people can have opposite opinions without insulting each other on a personal level. at least I can. and this is really the first time in 37 years that someone calls me facist. it's almost funny.




here's the point: 99% of the people have no clue what the topic is about. public referendums are usually won by the party that screams louder but not necessaribly has the more reasonable points. this is why i don't like them. i still know that governments are by far not perfect, but still the chances that decisions are not influenced by short term marketing campaigns are much higher.

Originally Posted by grumpy

Solving debt with more debt will neger ever work. Not for Eurpope not for USA

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Regardless of where you are from does any of this sound familiar?

?Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions.

Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call ?Social Insurance.? Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.? Edward Mandell House

Originally Posted by cykoe6

Is it necessary for you to post your asinine nonsense in a thread that has nothing to do with the US? Were you worried that we all forgot that you are clinically insane? Don't concern yourself as it has been duly noted. No need to post any more idiotic drivel.

Originally Posted by Jensen

glad we have some cash stacked away...

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Regardless of where you are from does any of this sound familiar?

?Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions.

Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call ?Social Insurance.? Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.? Edward Mandell House

Originally Posted by Lord Aga

You nearly got me arrested this night! and not for climbing Nelsons column!

How u doing bud?

Originally Posted by Ethersync

You are right that the lax lending standards in Eastern Europe are not exactly the same as those in America... They are worse

Originally Posted by MaDalton

here's the point: 99% of the people have no clue what the topic is about. public referendums are usually won by the party that screams louder but not necessaribly has the more reasonable points. this is why i don't like them. i still know that governments are by far not perfect, but still the chances that decisions are not influenced by short term marketing campaigns are much higher.

Originally Posted by Rico Shades

God please fall. I really, really would like to shoot those hot Euro sluts for $200.

Originally Posted by PurrrsianPussyKat

So wait.. americans aren't the only ones that lived beyond their means for years? I thought we were the cause of all the worlds ills.

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

wjxxx

I will citate one of my all time favorite politicians Leonid Brezhnev:

Originally Posted by wjxxx

Are you a fucking communist, or what ?

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Wrong,

We're talking about the fact that someone went to a risky venture to earn a little bit more, and the timing was far from ideal, but it has nothing to do with the relation between banks and its customers and any "lending standards".

The access to credit in US and Europe can't be compared at any level, so can't be compared the consumer spending habits.

Just for illustration, for example in this worst, extremely boring pseudo socialistic shithole where I live now, the banks are making 53 pct. of their profit on small fees (meaning that you get charged for withdrawing money, getting a statement to your adress etc.) so they're making more from holding your money than from lending money.

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Stock up on gold, you're gonna need it.

Originally Posted by Ethersync

No offense, but you are just completely uninformed and wrong. Ironic since you live in Czech Republic. Anyways, you will see soon enough.

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

I'm just a pathological cynic and have a little interest in the modern history.

Originally Posted by Ethersync

No offense, but you are just completely uninformed and wrong. Ironic since you live in Czech Republic. Anyways, you will see soon enough.

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

Tell me specifically, in points, what am I wrong in?

What specifical experience do you have with the European banking system, especially in the central and Eastern Europe?

I am always glad to educate myself. But you can't argument with something being "wrong" - that's always relative.

I'm out of the discussion again, time to make a dime.

Originally Posted by Lord Aga

Originally Posted by wjxxx

But, you DO know who Leonid Brezhnev was ?

Originally Posted by wjxxx

You`re wrong and commie is right. In the USA even total loser has credit card and NINJA has mortgage, in Eastern Europe nobody has credit card and you have to be premium customer to get mortgage

Originally Posted by Ethersync

I had a number of investments in the area. I was involved with one of the larger investment funds in Eastern Europe, which had over $100 million dollars. I have a large number of friends who have or had similar funds throughout the Baltic States, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria and Germany. I have spent a considerable amount of time living throughout Europe and specifically Eastern Europe the last 10 years. My wife is also from Eastern Europe originally and I know the problems the majority of her family is having right now being buried in debt and completely out of work. I have met numerous times with top executives of the Baltic divisions of the 2 largest Swedish banks in the area. So I can say with some authority that you are wrong about the lax lending standards, personal debt and the problems the banks are having.

Originally Posted by Ethersync

So ignore the "fascist" remark and tell me where I am wrong in the rest of what I wrote. Because it seems to me you are trying to say that the people of Europe should not have a voice in matters of national sovereignty because the EU political elite know what is best for them.

Originally Posted by wjxxx

You`re wrong and commie is right. In the USA even total loser has credit card and NINJA has mortgage, in Eastern Europe nobody has credit card and you have to be premium customer to get mortgage

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

You still didn't stated anything to move me one single inch.

I'm awaiting on the sources / links to where you got possesed with this demon, tell me also one specific role case of the family, that will be easier to illustrate it, won't it?

I don't care about someone out of work, there's plenty of work around here, people are just degenerated idiots that are not used to take responsibility or risk and only want to be mediocre and share the same looser problems with their peers.

That someone invested in "Investment funds" in eastern Europe sounds extremely scary!

Originally Posted by evie

How much that really worth?

Originally Posted by wjxxx

You`re wrong and commie is right. In the USA even total loser has credit card and NINJA has mortgage, in Eastern Europe nobody has credit card and you have to be premium customer to get mortgage

Originally Posted by onwebcam

It has a lot to do with this topic you just don't know how to connect the dots. As far as what I posted it is from the memoirs of an Ex US President. So are you going to call him insane?

Originally Posted by wjxxx

You`re wrong and commie is right. In the USA even total loser has credit card and NINJA has mortgage, in Eastern Europe nobody has credit card and you have to be premium customer to get mortgage

Originally Posted by cykoe6

This is false. Two years ago in Latvia anyone with a job on the books could quite easily get a loan with monthly payments up to 2/3 of their salary. Someone making 600 LVL per month ($1200) could buy a $40,000 car. Now there are so many cars loans under water in Latvia that the finance companies are not even repossessing them since there are no buyers at any price. All those loans are non performing and are held by European banks (mostly Swedish). That does not even hold a candle to the amount of real estate loans that are under water.

Originally Posted by $5 submissions

People need to realize that Business cycles are natural and should be left to unwind. Trying to "manage" it just creates bigger problems down the road.

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

About Evie,

Say hello to that old burglar, let him get well.

I'm sure he'll be able to handle the disease even in that terrible ancient age of him as far as I know his boards enthusiasm!

Originally Posted by cykoe6

This is false. Two years ago in Latvia anyone with a job on the books could quite easily get a loan with monthly payments up to 2/3 of their salary. Someone making 600 LVL per month ($1200) could buy a $40,000 car. Now there are so many cars loans under water in Latvia that the finance companies are not even repossessing them since there are no buyers at any price. All those loans are non performing and are held by European banks (mostly Swedish). That does not even hold a candle to the amount of real estate loans that are under water.

Originally Posted by cykoe6

This is false. Two years ago in Latvia anyone with a job on the books could quite easily get a loan with monthly payments up to 2/3 of their salary. Someone making 600 LVL per month ($1200) could buy a $40,000 car. Now there are so many cars loans under water in Latvia that the finance companies are not even repossessing them since there are no buyers at any price. All those loans are non performing and are held by European banks (mostly Swedish). That does not even hold a candle to the amount of real estate loans that are under water.

Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

Looks like the EE got shot down. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,502764,00.html

Who wants to bet within the next 6 months Austria goes the way of Iceland?

Originally Posted by Ethersync

"BRUSSELS ? German Chancellor Angela Merkel has rejected calls for a multibillion-euro bailout plan for eastern European Union member states."

Well, things in Eastern Europe are about to go from really fucking bad to a whole lot worse this week

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I can fucking connect the dots well enough to know that you are a fucking idiot. Your idiotic delusional nonsense about the Federal Reserve is annoying enough when that is the topic but that is not the case here. I am well aware that you believe every single fucking thing that happens is part of a well orchestrated global conspiracy run by the Jews or the Illuminati or fucking lizards or whatever by I am sick and fucking tired of you sticking your paranoid simplistic bullshit into every thread.

Anyone who has ever left their apartment for even a few minutes and who can interact with other people without a heavy does of Lithium knows that the world is composed of competing interest groups and who are in a constant state of conflict, hence well orchestrated global conspiracies are not possible. Anyone who pays taxes or has dealings with any government agency in any country knows that government bureaucracies are barely capable of collecting taxes and then giving it away to their friends. There is not a government agency on the planet capable of keeping a big secret or operating in an efficient or stealthy manner. Even the fucking NKVD had to execute a bunch of its agents every few years to keep people quiet.

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."

I understand the voices in your head tell you otherwise but why don't you take your medication, get out of your basement and take a walk in the park or something. At a bare minimum please shut the fuck up. If that is not possible go post on prison planet or democratic underground where everyone will applaud your stupidity and tell you what a fucking genius you are.

Originally Posted by blindzior

why is that?

Originally Posted by onwebcam

But yes I'm very well informed.