Open Letter to the Republican Traitors (From a Former Republican) - GoFuckYourself.com

tony286 · 03-08-2009, 09:24 PM

Open Letter to the Republican Traitors (From a Former Republican)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-...tml?view=print
by

Frank Schaeffer

New York Times best-selling author
Posted March 8, 2009 | 04:09 PM

You Republicans are the arsonists who burned down our national home. You combined the failed ideologies of the Religious Right, so-called free market deregulation and the Neoconservative love of war to light a fire that has consumed America. Now you have the nerve to criticize the "architect" America just hired -- President Obama -- to rebuild from the ashes. You do nothing constructive, just try to hinder the one person willing and able to fix the mess you created.

I used to be one of you. As recently as 2000 I worked to get Senator McCain elected in that year's primary. (McCain and Gen. Tommy Franks wrote glowing endorsements regarding my book about military service, AWOL.). I have a file of handwritten thank you notes from Presidents Ford, Reagan, Bush I and II. In the 1970s and early 80s I hung out with Jack Kemp and bought into his "supply side" myth and even wrote a book he endorsed pushing his ideas.) There's more, but take it from me; my parents (evangelical leaders Francis and Edith Schaeffer) and I were about as tight with -- and useful to -- the Republican Party as anyone. We played a big part creating the Religious Right.

In the mid 1980s I left the Religious Right, after I realized just how very anti-American they are, (the theme I explore in my book Crazy For God). They wanted America to fail in order to prove they were right about America's "moral decline." Soon after McCain lost in 2000 I re-registered as an independent in disgust with W. Bush. But I still respected many Republicans. Not today.

How can anyone who loves our country support the Republicans now? Barry Goldwater, William F. Buckley and Ronald Reagan defined the modern conservatism that used to be what the Republican Party I belonged to was about. Today no actual conservative can be a Republican. Reagan would despise today's wholly negative Republican Party. And can you picture the gentlemanly and always polite Ronald Reagan, endorsing a radio hate-jock slob who crudely mocked a man with Parkinson's and who now says he wants an American president to fail?!

With people like Limbaugh as the loudmouth image of the Republican Party -- you need no enemies. But something far more serious has happened than an image problem: the Republican Party has become the party of obstruction at just the time when all Americans should be pulling together for the good of our country. Instead, Republicans are today's fifth column sabotaging American renewal.

President Obama has been in office barely 45 days and the Republican Party has the nerve to blame him for the economic and military cataclysm he inherited. I say economic and military cataclysm because without the needless war in Iraq you all backed we would not be in the economic mess we're in today. If that money had been spent here at home on renovating our infrastructure, taking us toward a green economy, putting our health-care system in order we'd be a very different situation.

As the father of a Marine who served in George W. Bush's misbegotten wars let me say this: if President Obama's strategy to repair our economy, infrastructure and healthcare fails that will put our troops at far greater risk because the world will become a far more dangerous place. So for all you flag-waving Republicans who are trying to undermine the President at home -- if you succeed more of our troops will be killed abroad.

When your new leader Rush Limbaugh calls for President Obama to fail he's calling for more flag-draped coffins. Limbaugh is the new "Hanoi Jane."

For the party that created our crises of misbegotten war, mismanaged economy, the lack of regulation of our banking industry, handing our country to rich crooks... to obstruct the one person who is trying to repair the damage is obscene.

Just imagine where America would be today if the 14 to 20 million voters -- "the rube base" who slavishly follow the likes of Limbaugh -- had not voted as a block year after year thus empowering the Republican fiasco. We would have a regulated banking industry and would have avoided our current financial crisis; some 4000 of our killed military men and women would be alive; over to 35,000 wounded Americans would be whole; we would have been leaders in the environmental movement; we would be in the middle of a green technology boom fueling a huge expansion of our economy and stopping our dependence on foreign oil, and our health-care system would be reformed.

After Obama was elected, you Republican leaders had a unique last chance to send a patriotic message of unity to the world -- and to all Americans. You could have backed our president's economic recovery plan. Since we all know that half of our problem is one of lost confidence and perception, nothing would have done more to calm the markets and project resolve and confidence than if you had been big enough to take Obama's offered hand and had work with him -- even if you disagreed ideologically. You had the chance to put our country first. You utterly failed to rise to the occasion.

The worsening economic situation is your fault and your fault alone. The Republicans created this mess through 8 years of backing the worst president in our history and now, because you put partisan ideology ahead of the good of our country, you have blown your last chance to redeem yourselves. You deserve the banishment to the political wilderness that awaits all traitors.

Snake Doctor · 03-08-2009, 09:30 PM

I'm gonna park my sig here before the Splums of the world show up for the GFY style pig fuck, and I'll come back and read the letter later.

spunky99 · 03-08-2009, 09:36 PM

good letter

Bill8 · 03-08-2009, 09:40 PM

Well, the hyperbole about what we could have become if the republicans hadn't mismanaged the wars and economy isn't really supportable.

The corporations would still have been in charge. We probably wouldn't have started to adopt new technologies.

But, the bit about the dittoheads betraying the country probably reflects the majority opinion now.

_Richard_ · 03-08-2009, 09:43 PM

good letter..

uno · 03-08-2009, 09:53 PM

yah that was a pretty good read. Obvious to most, but maybe itll mean more coming from "one of them". I doubt it, but thats what makes this republican civil war so much fun. I never thought I'd agree with, much less like people like David "Axis of Evil" Frum or Andrew Sullivan or Kathleen Parker, et al, but they are appealing to the reasoned side of their party.

mynameisjim · 03-08-2009, 10:03 PM

I was the same way. In my younger days I leaned Republican but realized the party was just a fake shell of what it once was. Some people figured that out, but many have not.

A good line I heard about Rush Limbaugh is that he is to the Republican party today what Jesse Jackson was to the Democrats in the 80s. What his fans don't realize is he is a media guy. He cares about how popular he can get. The more fucked up the Republican party is and the more it wanders without a true leader, the bigger he becomes. I don't blame him because that's his job, but people who think he is doing what he does for the good of the party or the good of the country are truly being taken advantage of.

LiveDose · 03-08-2009, 10:06 PM

That letter is about as biased as you can get. I am not supporting the Republicans and their behaviors but to act as if the Democrats are innocent in all of this mess is dishonest and ignorant at best.

12clicks · 03-09-2009, 07:24 AM

its so funny to watch the idiots justify obama's massive spending bill.
the guy might have a point if the democrats under bush DIDN'T vote for all the spending during his administration and now, were trying to clean up the mess by NOT spending.
but the rabble are so easily led by the nose.
"YES Obama! spend more. I want my piece!"

nation-x · 03-09-2009, 08:38 AM

I don't think it's an open letter to Republicans... if it were it would be posted on the The New Republic or The Weekly Standard. I think it's a post to sell his books to Dems.

nation-x · 03-09-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveDose

That letter is about as biased as you can get. I am not supporting the Republicans and their behaviors but to act as if the Democrats are innocent in all of this mess is dishonest and ignorant at best.

Ditto... the Democratic Congress is full of Crooks and Liars in the same vein as the Republican Congress.

pornguy · 03-09-2009, 08:49 AM

PEOPLE... OBAMA IS A FUCKING POLITICIAN and will and IS fucking us all.

nation-x · 03-09-2009, 08:55 AM

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PEOPLE... OBAMA IS A FUCKING POLITICIAN and will and IS fucking us all.

I'm sorry... I couldn't understand what you were posting... can you take the veenerschnizel out of your mouth?

tranza · 03-09-2009, 08:57 AM

I don't care so much, but the letter is great. hehehe

Tom_PM · 03-09-2009, 08:59 AM

Saying that republicans are bad doesnt mean he's saying democrats are good. That's simply a false argument out of the box.

If anyone really thinks that a republican leaning website of note would have posted that.. well.. you're wrong I think. I am not hell bent on being "right", just saying I disagree.

Obama is clearly the most powerful president or head of state the world has seen in quite some time. Because if you like him, you tend to REALLY like him, and if you dont, you REALLY expend energy saying how bad you think he is. THAT is power.

jawanda · 03-09-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

PEOPLE... OBAMA IS A FUCKING POLITICIAN and will and IS fucking us all.

Yes, maybe so, but at least Obama is a "soft fuck".

He will whisper in your ear and make you feel "o.k." about it. Rather than just shoving it up your ass and pulling your hair while you cry and flail, then putting the pictures of your raped ass on the Internet with the caption "PWND" written across the top ... the way Bushy did it.

Tom_PM · 03-09-2009, 09:01 AM

Uh oh, Obama just signed the papers lifting the federal ban on stem cell research. How soon til brownback or someone calls him a mass murderer?yawn

BFT3K · 03-09-2009, 09:21 AM

Obama is methodically following every promise he made while campaigning. He was elected based upon the direction he and his supporters (the majority of Americans) wanted to take our country. Those of us who voted him in are getting what we voted for. The real surprise is that a politician, who made campaign promises while campaigning, is actually making good on his word.

The Republicans are hoping and praying that he fails, because if Obama is successful, their party will be crippled for many many years to come. Speaking for myself, I am hoping America can come back, the economy can get better, healthcare can become more affordable, our reliance on oil can be reduced, and the GOP is reduced to hobbling about on crutches.

MrLuvr · 03-09-2009, 09:22 AM

I thought the Republicans under Bush were bad enough, but their present behaviour after Obama's election has been even more despicable and disgusting.

They have only one weapon - Fear Mongering. First it was "terrorism", now it is "socialism".

tony286 · 03-09-2009, 09:39 AM

And this guy was one of their own. He helped created the religious right he was more involved than most. This isnt some liberal.They were the party of deregulation, that was their mantra. This is what dereg gets you and a tax cut for the rich that cost the country 1.4 trillion by the time it expires. They are on every news show fanning the flames of fear. There is another thread where Warren Buffet is saying basically too much fear is being created its time to get behind the president.

Quagmire · 03-09-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveDose

That letter is about as biased as you can get. I am not supporting the Republicans and their behaviors but to act as if the Democrats are innocent in all of this mess is dishonest and ignorant at best.

People need to realize that a politician is a politician no matter what 'party' he/she is with. They are not there to serve the people, they are there to have a job and continue to get elected so they can collect their obscene pensions.

mikesouth · 03-09-2009, 10:39 AM

I don’t care what you call yourselves, communists or fascists, Democrats or Republicans, Congressmen or Presidents, judges or lawyers, feudal Lords or Monarchs, Multinational Corporations, Friends of the Great Spotted Suck Toad, Gas and Electric Utilities, the Sierra Club, the United Nations or the World Bank. You all have a totalitarian bent and aim for the State to own and control everything and everyone.

You are, in the words of one of the philosophers writing today, moral vultures.

You squeeze and squeeze and squeeze and the more the people of any nation yelp and protest, the more brutal you become.

Good. The more brutal you become, the more the people become aware of your game.

People will stand for quite a bit of your nonsense—but you know that. It also helps when you brainwash them silly and stupid with that scourge of modern times, the television. It is by means of television that you enure them to your violence, and your generic nazi tactics; as long as it isn’t happening to them, they can bear watching it happen to their neighbors. Go right ahead and roast some more Somali kids. We’ll watch.

But slowly, under all the layers of your televised sexuality and your televised violence, and the stupidity of your "news," the idea grows in millions of minds that they are watching the creation of the ugliest totalitarian/fascist beast yet.

Good. Please squeeze harder. Send out more of your goons masquerading as gang members in their cool black suits. Terrorize and kill even more citizens in "the drug-glazed informant told us the wrong house" drug raids. Jack more young pregnant wives up against the wall so they miscarry, and shoot more kids in the back. Use even more tanks.

Please continue, most of all, your policy of stealing property rights through land-grab environmentalism. This is the most important of all. After all, the great mass of humans can live without a free press—we’ve seen that in America for this entire century. By the insidious work of your televised sex and violence, you’ve made sure that people have lost their moral compass, so freedom of religion doesn’t much matter to them. You’ve doing great with the "guns are evil monsters" routine as well. Very few care about justice, so all your illegal searches and seizures have profited you greatly.

Keep it up. Squeeze harder. Some blood needs to leak from our eyeballs.

Do it. Squeeze, baby, squeeze.

Please force more of our young daughters to spread their legs for your unnecessary and invasive government gynecological exams in the schools. Do not listen to their saying NO. Make them do it anyway. Please press all of our young men and women into involuntary servitude via your newest mechanism of "volunteerism." Make them suffer for it. Your doublethink on this issue alone is wonderful: involuntary volunteerism. Orwell would be very impressed.

Squeeze. Squeeze harder.

Indoctrinate the young men and women of the Armed Forces a bit more. With your new sex trials, the men will vacate the service, leaving an armed force of whiny females to defend this country. Good job, that one. Do keep killing all the officials and journalists who discover your tricks and disagree with your policies via Apparent Suicide Syndrome. You’re doing great with this tactic, teaching people who is boss and what thoughts they are allowed to think and say.

With civilians, property rights will be the crux of the issue, which is why the people have had "Save the Earth From Humans" shoved quite prettily down their throats for the past 30 years. Please keep taking away our right—bought and paid for—to do what we wish with our houses, our property, our land. This is good. In fact, if you can manage it in the Congress turned Comintern, raise the taxes on producers, employers, and property owners until they cannot be borne. Put more people out of business and out of work with your "endangered species" ploy. They won’t realize that truly they are the endangered species. Make more species "endangered," for that matter. Take a risk. You’ve earned it, and you’ve become quite good at the Big Lie: make cows and pigs and chickens unavailable for human consumption by putting them on the "endangered" list. Put all animals currently hunted or fished for food or sport "endangered" and then you can outlaw all small arms for civilians.

Squeeze. Squeeze much harder. It is, after all, what totalitarians do best.

You’re doing really well on the death front, with the older ones crying for Dr. Kevorkian to give them his tender mercies, and an entire generation of young women willing to kill their own blood and bone wholesale, aided by the Lords of Medicine. A fine job on this, since now the people can kill and be killed for the sake of convenience.

We’re coming to the historical point where you really start culling the herd of humans—but be careful here, since, after all, it’s those inconvenient humans who provide the money to support your totalitarian agenda. At least, don’t take too many all at once—a few invented in laboratories diseases will do to start—AIDS, Ebola, whatever. Don’t overdo it until the big push, of course.

But keep up the squeeze.

Use your free labor in prisons, where many of you have money invested, to make clothes and other goods for your consumption. This works well, too. Privatize prisons and run them on the Chinese model. If you run into trouble on this, note that most current (and rapidly becoming so) totalitarian governments can easily intimidate their herds of humans by using tanks against the people, and, needless to say, televising it.

Keep using informant lowlives to frame your enemies as well as the innocent among the people. Give the ones you catch extremely hard sentences for not knowing, say, that a government snitch had buried "pipe bomb material" on their property. That’s a nifty tactic, and one some people learned from mightily.

Do not prosecute your agents of the government bureaucracy no matter what laws they break, people they kill, or perjury they commit, whatever they may have done in the "line of culling the herd" just let it pass and cover it up. Make it very clear where the lines are drawn and for whom your laws apply. Among the people, the very very few are appreciative and aware of the lesson.

Squeeze Real Hard.

Keep lying through your teeth. Various current and former rulers are quite adept at this and it teaches the people discernment. This is a fine point, but important. The people learn when they hear when rulers or their agents say "No wrongdoing was done" in the face of blatant and obvious wrongdoing.

Keep well your paparazzi pets, the media. They will live as long and prosper as well as you. They serve you well. Have them oblige you even more by ignoring lies, deceptions, thefts and coverups by squeezing them just a touch as well.

Squeeze us even more, oh "kind-hearted" totalitarians. Until our eyeballs bleed.

On that day, we shall see you reap what you have sown.

Drake · 03-09-2009, 10:49 AM

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Uh oh, Obama just signed the papers lifting the federal ban on stem cell research. How soon til brownback or someone calls him a mass murderer?yawn

Wacko Christians will be gunning for him now.

Fletch XXX · 03-09-2009, 10:57 AM

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They wanted America to fail in order to prove they were right about America's "moral decline."

Limbaugh just said he hopes Obama s financial plan fails, meaning, he hopes America fails... its nothing new that Republicans are usually negative and have no plans for anything other than 400 million dollar bridges to nowhere. lol

IllTestYourGirls · 03-09-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveDose

That letter is about as biased as you can get. I am not supporting the Republicans and their behaviors but to act as if the Democrats are innocent in all of this mess is dishonest and ignorant at best.

Without a doubt. They all had their hands in the cookie jar and are relying on the dumb American people to pick a party and defend their party. While the people are occupied defending their own party they are getting fucked behind their backs.

A lot of people fall for that trick as evident by the posts in this thread.

12clicks · 03-09-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Obama is methodically following every promise he made while campaigning. He was elected based upon the direction he and his supporters (the majority of Americans) wanted to take our country. Those of us who voted him in are getting what we voted for. The real surprise is that a politician, who made campaign promises while campaigning, is actually making good on his word.

sadly, what most of you voted for was your promised hand out.
and you're actually stupid enough to think it can be paid for by the "rich" and those evil "corporations"
by the time you realize you're fucked, the prospect of becoming an indentured slave will sound very appealing

nation-x · 03-09-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

sadly, what most of you voted for was your promised hand out.
and you're actually stupid enough to think it can be paid for by the "rich" and those evil "corporations"
by the time you realize you're fucked, the prospect of becoming an indentured slave will sound very appealing

I didn't vote for a handout... I voted to end the fascist grip that the Republicans had on our throats and I am getting exactly what I voted for. The republicans aren't your friend 12clicks... given the opportunity they would take everything you have worked hard to build all of these years... now tell me... who is stupid one in this equation?

12clicks · 03-09-2009, 12:52 PM

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I didn't vote for a handout... I voted to end the fascist grip that the Republicans had on our throats and I am getting exactly what I voted for. The republicans aren't your friend 12clicks... given the opportunity they would take everything you have worked hard to build all of these years... now tell me... who is stupid one in this equation?

you are.

fascist grip! what a joke.

nation-x · 03-09-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

you are.

fascist grip! what a joke.

Really? Who authored COPA and the new 2257 legislation? Democrats or Republicans?

12clicks · 03-09-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Really? Who authored COPA and the new 2257 legislation? Democrats or Republicans?

this is why its boring talking to children. If this is your example of fascism, its no wonder you vote in the ways that you do.

12clicks · 03-09-2009, 01:07 PM

lemme know when Obama signs an order stopping copa or 2257

03-09-2009, 01:07 PM

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Ditto... the Democratic Congress is full of Crooks and Liars in the same vein as the Republican Congress.

Sly · 03-09-2009, 01:08 PM

I only read these threads to watch the name-calling.

nation-x · 03-09-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

this is why its boring talking to children. If this is your example of fascism, its no wonder you vote in the ways that you do.

You can step around the question and call me a child (I am 40 years old btw) if you want... I didn't say 2257 was an example of fascism... but I know you will continue to dance around answering the question because you always do the exact same thing... everytime... it's like a Republican disease... whenever you ask them a question they don't want to answer they sidestep.

12clicks · 03-09-2009, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

You can step around the question and call me a child (I am 40 years old btw) if you want... I didn't say 2257 was an example of fascism... but I know you will continue to dance around answering the question because you always do the exact same thing... everytime... it's like a Republican disease... whenever you ask them a question they don't want to answer they sidestep.

silly kid. oh, thats right, you're 40.
here's the question you asked:

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Originally Posted by nation-x

now tell me... who is stupid one in this equation?

I clearly answered it by ridiculing your understanding of fascism.
now you can ask nonsensical questions as a follow up but considering copa and 2257 have nothing to do with your idiot ideas about fascism, they've gone unanswered.

nation-x · 03-09-2009, 01:19 PM

Fascism ->> http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

12clicks · 03-09-2009, 01:34 PM

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Fascism ->> http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

sorry son. I don't get caught up in liberal clap trap.
http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...cism?qsrc=2888

fas⋅cism [fash-iz-uhm] Show IPA
?noun
1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

now run along, silly kid.

BFT3K · 03-09-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

sadly, what most of you voted for was your promised hand out. and you're actually stupid enough to think it can be paid for by the "rich" and those evil "corporations" by the time you realize you're fucked, the prospect of becoming an indentured slave will sound very appealing

I did not vote for a "hand out" - I voted for taxes that were fair across the board, like they were under Clinton. A time where the country was doing great, there was a surplus, the middle and lower class were taxed at a lower rate, and the rich were getting richer, regardless of their slightly higher tax rate.

I also voted to loosen the grip of big oil that seems to fully control Washington, even though they were squashing progress on alternate fuels and alternate vehicles, while lining the pockets of the Bush and Cheney family businesses, while funding Middle Eastern terrorists. The EV-1 switched out for the Hummer for example.

I voted for someone who believes, like myself, that health care in a civilized country should be a right, and not a privilege for the rich - and I personally don't give a shit if taxes go up to fund this. The war in Iraq cost us WAY more than healthcare, and guess who will be paying for that stupidity for generations to come. A fraction of that money (that we also did not have to spend) could have been paying for our health care instead - as well as thousands of more productive uses.

Asshole Republicans should just shut the fuck up for a year or two, and hope we pull out of this mess. I didn't hear Rush crying about all of the wreckless spending that was going on for the past 8 years (6 of which the Republitards ran EVERYTHING) - so he can suck it now as well!

George Bush and his administration ruled over 8 of the worst years the US has faced in modern times, and it's going to take a LOT of work to reverse the shitstorm.

And as far as "evil corporations" goes - what have the banks and mortgage companies been doing with our money for the past 6 to 8 unregulated years - what has Wall Street been doing? What has Haliburton been doing? Yes, there are such things as bad corporations. Another reason Obama was voted in.

Obama won the election by a good margin. Can you imagine what that margin would have been if he was a white guy? This country voted for change this year, in a big way. It is funny to read so many of you losers bitch about Obama, like he is the problem - like he is the reason we are in the boat we're now in. It's really just pathetic.

03-09-2009, 01:47 PM

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I did not vote for a "hand out" - I voted for taxes that were fair across the board, like they were under Clinton. A time where the country was doing great, there was a surplus, the middle and lower class were taxed at a lower rate, and the rich were getting richer, regardless of their slightly higher tax rate.

I also voted to loosen the grip of big oil that seems to fully control Washington, even though they were squashing progress on alternate fuels and alternate vehicles, while lining the pockets of the Bush and Cheney family businesses, while funding Middle Eastern terrorists. The EV-1 switched out for the Hummer for example.

I voted for someone who believes, like myself, that health care in a civilized country should be a right, and not a privilege for the rich - and I personally don't give a shit if taxes go up to fund this. The war in Iraq cost us WAY more than healthcare, and guess who will be paying for that stupidity for generations to come. A fraction of that money (that we also did not have to spend) could have been paying for our health care instead - as well as thousands of more productive uses.

Asshole Republicans should just shut the fuck up for a year or two, and hope we pull out of this mess. I didn't hear Rush crying about all of the wreckless spending that was going on for the past 8 years (6 of which the Republitards ran EVERYTHING) - so he can suck it now as well!

George Bush and his administration ruled over 8 of the worst years the US has faced in modern times, and it's going to take a LOT of work to reverse the shitstorm.

And as far as "evil corporations" goes - what have the banks and mortgage companies been doing with our money for the past 6 to 8 unregulated years - what has Wall Street been doing? What has Haliburton been doing? Yes, there are such things as bad corporations. Another reason Obama was voted in.

Obama won the election by a good margin. Can you imagine what that margin would have been if he was a white guy? This country voted for change this year, in a big way. It is funny to read so many of you losers bitch about Obama, like he is the problem - like he is the reason we are in the boat we're now in. It's really just pathetic.

Why should healthcare be a right? To damn many people in this country think they have a right to everything. The bailout is shit. Even people in Obama's own cabinet did not like parts of the bailout. Yes, it is a hand out to a lot of people that could not maintain their finances.

nation-x · 03-09-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

fas⋅cism [fash-iz-uhm] Show IPA
?noun
1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

In my view... this is exactly what was going on... so maybe you have your blinders on but I don't. You can keep calling me names all you want... it's fairly funny to me since you don't actually know me. If you did... you wouldn't be running your mouth so liberally.

Snake Doctor · 03-09-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

its so funny to watch the idiots justify obama's massive spending bill.
the guy might have a point if the democrats under bush DIDN'T vote for all the spending during his administration and now, were trying to clean up the mess by NOT spending.
but the rabble are so easily led by the nose.
"YES Obama! spend more. I want my piece!"

Actually alot of Democrats did vote against Bush's budgets, almost all republicans voted for them.

What I find hysterical about this whole thing is that you somehow think government spending is the cause of our current economic crisis. I have yet to see one single credible economist make that case.
The current crisis started in the housing market, and overtook the entire financial/banking system. There are lots of reasons for that and I'm not going to list them here because you don't care...it doesn't gel with your ideology so you'll dismiss it as liberal propaganda, as you do most facts that don't gel with your preconceived notions.

Government spending has about as much to do with the current economic crisis as my flatulence has to do with global warming.

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

sadly, what most of you voted for was your promised hand out.
and you're actually stupid enough to think it can be paid for by the "rich" and those evil "corporations"
by the time you realize you're fucked, the prospect of becoming an indentured slave will sound very appealing

So when you vote for lower taxes that will put alot more money in your pocket, you're doing it because it's good and right....but when someone in a lower income bracket votes for something that will help them economically, they're selfish for doing so?

mmmmkay

Snake Doctor · 03-09-2009, 02:11 PM

I still haven't heard any republican offer a good explanation for why a 35% tax rate that was set by President Bush is a good, capitalist top tax rate....and how the 39.6% rate proposed by President Obama is a bad, onerous, socialist, redistributive tax rate.

I had no idea 4.6% was such a profound number. You go from capitalist to socialist just by crossing that line.

BFT3K · 03-09-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB

Why should healthcare be a right? To damn many people in this country think they have a right to everything. The bailout is shit. Even people in Obama's own cabinet did not like parts of the bailout. Yes, it is a hand out to a lot of people that could not maintain their finances.

Until healthcare is a right, then those who do not have it will continue to be a drain on the system. The wealthy will have higher premiums to make up for the discrepancies, and this stupid argument will go on for another 100 years.

What makes paved roads and safe bridges a "right"?

What makes law enforcement a "right"?

What makes fire departments a "right"?

What makes military spending a "right"?

What makes public education a "right"?

I can go on and on. These are all things your tax dollars are already paying for. It is long past time for healthcare to be added to the list. Call it "socialism" if you want to - I don't care. One can easily label Medicare and social security the same way.

crockett · 03-09-2009, 02:37 PM

I don't think I could agree with that letter anymore.. He speaks the truth.

nation-x · 03-09-2009, 02:50 PM

Here is their plan
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/ho...bers-for-dems/

03-09-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

Here is their plan
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/ho...bers-for-dems/

Nice response to that story.

"There are no leaders - no one willing to do the right thing. Both parties are hopelessly corrupt. We need a revolution. The sooner the better"

nation-x · 03-09-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB

Nice response to that story.

"There are no leaders - no one willing to do the right thing. Both parties are hopelessly corrupt. We need a revolution. The sooner the better"

I see the Democrats offering a plan at least... the Republicans keep offering obstruction, the same plans they already tried and failed at during the past 8 years or no plan at all.

03-09-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

I see the Democrats offering a plan at least... the Republicans keep offering obstruction, the same plans they already tried and failed at during the past 8 years or no plan at all.

They are offering a plan that is not going to be of much help. Both parties want to have things their way instead of doing what is best for the country. There will always be issues until they learn to work together. Blaming it on one party is pretty stupid when both parties are full of shit.

dyna mo · 03-09-2009, 03:22 PM

that letter is just more fingerpointing.

that writer and his letter are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem.

nation-x · 03-09-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB

They are offering a plan that is not going to be of much help.

I think that passing judgement on the plan without giving it time to produce results (positive or negative) doesn't make any sense at all.

03-08-2009, 09:24 PM	#1
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Open Letter to the Republican Traitors (From a Former Republican) Open Letter to the Republican Traitors (From a Former Republican) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-...tml?view=print by Frank Schaeffer New York Times best-selling author Posted March 8, 2009 \| 04:09 PM You Republicans are the arsonists who burned down our national home. You combined the failed ideologies of the Religious Right, so-called free market deregulation and the Neoconservative love of war to light a fire that has consumed America. Now you have the nerve to criticize the "architect" America just hired -- President Obama -- to rebuild from the ashes. You do nothing constructive, just try to hinder the one person willing and able to fix the mess you created. I used to be one of you. As recently as 2000 I worked to get Senator McCain elected in that year's primary. (McCain and Gen. Tommy Franks wrote glowing endorsements regarding my book about military service, AWOL.). I have a file of handwritten thank you notes from Presidents Ford, Reagan, Bush I and II. In the 1970s and early 80s I hung out with Jack Kemp and bought into his "supply side" myth and even wrote a book he endorsed pushing his ideas.) There's more, but take it from me; my parents (evangelical leaders Francis and Edith Schaeffer) and I were about as tight with -- and useful to -- the Republican Party as anyone. We played a big part creating the Religious Right. In the mid 1980s I left the Religious Right, after I realized just how very anti-American they are, (the theme I explore in my book Crazy For God). They wanted America to fail in order to prove they were right about America's "moral decline." Soon after McCain lost in 2000 I re-registered as an independent in disgust with W. Bush. But I still respected many Republicans. Not today. How can anyone who loves our country support the Republicans now? Barry Goldwater, William F. Buckley and Ronald Reagan defined the modern conservatism that used to be what the Republican Party I belonged to was about. Today no actual conservative can be a Republican. Reagan would despise today's wholly negative Republican Party. And can you picture the gentlemanly and always polite Ronald Reagan, endorsing a radio hate-jock slob who crudely mocked a man with Parkinson's and who now says he wants an American president to fail?! With people like Limbaugh as the loudmouth image of the Republican Party -- you need no enemies. But something far more serious has happened than an image problem: the Republican Party has become the party of obstruction at just the time when all Americans should be pulling together for the good of our country. Instead, Republicans are today's fifth column sabotaging American renewal. President Obama has been in office barely 45 days and the Republican Party has the nerve to blame him for the economic and military cataclysm he inherited. I say economic and military cataclysm because without the needless war in Iraq you all backed we would not be in the economic mess we're in today. If that money had been spent here at home on renovating our infrastructure, taking us toward a green economy, putting our health-care system in order we'd be a very different situation. As the father of a Marine who served in George W. Bush's misbegotten wars let me say this: if President Obama's strategy to repair our economy, infrastructure and healthcare fails that will put our troops at far greater risk because the world will become a far more dangerous place. So for all you flag-waving Republicans who are trying to undermine the President at home -- if you succeed more of our troops will be killed abroad. When your new leader Rush Limbaugh calls for President Obama to fail he's calling for more flag-draped coffins. Limbaugh is the new "Hanoi Jane." For the party that created our crises of misbegotten war, mismanaged economy, the lack of regulation of our banking industry, handing our country to rich crooks... to obstruct the one person who is trying to repair the damage is obscene. Just imagine where America would be today if the 14 to 20 million voters -- "the rube base" who slavishly follow the likes of Limbaugh -- had not voted as a block year after year thus empowering the Republican fiasco. We would have a regulated banking industry and would have avoided our current financial crisis; some 4000 of our killed military men and women would be alive; over to 35,000 wounded Americans would be whole; we would have been leaders in the environmental movement; we would be in the middle of a green technology boom fueling a huge expansion of our economy and stopping our dependence on foreign oil, and our health-care system would be reformed. After Obama was elected, you Republican leaders had a unique last chance to send a patriotic message of unity to the world -- and to all Americans. You could have backed our president's economic recovery plan. Since we all know that half of our problem is one of lost confidence and perception, nothing would have done more to calm the markets and project resolve and confidence than if you had been big enough to take Obama's offered hand and had work with him -- even if you disagreed ideologically. You had the chance to put our country first. You utterly failed to rise to the occasion. The worsening economic situation is your fault and your fault alone. The Republicans created this mess through 8 years of backing the worst president in our history and now, because you put partisan ideology ahead of the good of our country, you have blown your last chance to redeem yourselves. You deserve the banishment to the political wilderness that awaits all traitors.

03-08-2009, 09:30 PM	#2
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03-08-2009, 09:36 PM	#3
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03-08-2009, 09:53 PM	#6
uno RIP Dodger. BEST.CAT.EVER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NYC Area Posts: 18,450	yah that was a pretty good read. Obvious to most, but maybe itll mean more coming from "one of them". I doubt it, but thats what makes this republican civil war so much fun. I never thought I'd agree with, much less like people like David "Axis of Evil" Frum or Andrew Sullivan or Kathleen Parker, et al, but they are appealing to the reasoned side of their party. __________________ -uno icq: 111-914 CrazyBabe.com - porn art MojoHost - For all your hosting needs, present and future. Tell them I sent ya!

03-08-2009, 10:03 PM	#7
mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	I was the same way. In my younger days I leaned Republican but realized the party was just a fake shell of what it once was. Some people figured that out, but many have not. A good line I heard about Rush Limbaugh is that he is to the Republican party today what Jesse Jackson was to the Democrats in the 80s. What his fans don't realize is he is a media guy. He cares about how popular he can get. The more fucked up the Republican party is and the more it wanders without a true leader, the bigger he becomes. I don't blame him because that's his job, but people who think he is doing what he does for the good of the party or the good of the country are truly being taken advantage of. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

03-08-2009, 09:40 PM	#4
Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	Well, the hyperbole about what we could have become if the republicans hadn't mismanaged the wars and economy isn't really supportable. The corporations would still have been in charge. We probably wouldn't have started to adopt new technologies. But, the bit about the dittoheads betraying the country probably reflects the majority opinion now.

03-08-2009, 09:43 PM	#5
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	good letter..

03-08-2009, 10:06 PM	#8
LiveDose Show Yer Tits! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Out there... Posts: 25,792	That letter is about as biased as you can get. I am not supporting the Republicans and their behaviors but to act as if the Democrats are innocent in all of this mess is dishonest and ignorant at best. __________________ Scammer Alert: acer19 acer [email protected] [email protected] Money stolen using PayPal

03-09-2009, 07:24 AM	#9
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,788	its so funny to watch the idiots justify obama's massive spending bill. the guy might have a point if the democrats under bush DIDN'T vote for all the spending during his administration and now, were trying to clean up the mess by NOT spending. but the rabble are so easily led by the nose. "YES Obama! spend more. I want my piece!" __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

03-09-2009, 08:38 AM	#10
nation-x Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,370	I don't think it's an open letter to Republicans... if it were it would be posted on the The New Republic or The Weekly Standard. I think it's a post to sell his books to Dems.

03-09-2009, 08:49 AM	#12
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03-09-2009, 08:57 AM	#14
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	I don't care so much, but the letter is great. hehehe __________________ I'm just a newbie.

03-09-2009, 08:59 AM	#15
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Saying that republicans are bad doesnt mean he's saying democrats are good. That's simply a false argument out of the box. If anyone really thinks that a republican leaning website of note would have posted that.. well.. you're wrong I think. I am not hell bent on being "right", just saying I disagree. Obama is clearly the most powerful president or head of state the world has seen in quite some time. Because if you like him, you tend to REALLY like him, and if you dont, you REALLY expend energy saying how bad you think he is. THAT is power. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

03-09-2009, 09:01 AM	#17
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	Uh oh, Obama just signed the papers lifting the federal ban on stem cell research. How soon til brownback or someone calls him a mass murderer?yawn __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

03-09-2009, 09:21 AM	#18
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Obama is methodically following every promise he made while campaigning. He was elected based upon the direction he and his supporters (the majority of Americans) wanted to take our country. Those of us who voted him in are getting what we voted for. The real surprise is that a politician, who made campaign promises while campaigning, is actually making good on his word. The Republicans are hoping and praying that he fails, because if Obama is successful, their party will be crippled for many many years to come. Speaking for myself, I am hoping America can come back, the economy can get better, healthcare can become more affordable, our reliance on oil can be reduced, and the GOP is reduced to hobbling about on crutches.

03-09-2009, 09:22 AM	#19
MrLuvr Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 538	I thought the Republicans under Bush were bad enough, but their present behaviour after Obama's election has been even more despicable and disgusting. They have only one weapon - Fear Mongering. First it was "terrorism", now it is "socialism".

03-09-2009, 09:39 AM	#20
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	And this guy was one of their own. He helped created the religious right he was more involved than most. This isnt some liberal.They were the party of deregulation, that was their mantra. This is what dereg gets you and a tax cut for the rich that cost the country 1.4 trillion by the time it expires. They are on every news show fanning the flames of fear. There is another thread where Warren Buffet is saying basically too much fear is being created its time to get behind the president.

03-09-2009, 10:39 AM	#22
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	I don’t care what you call yourselves, communists or fascists, Democrats or Republicans, Congressmen or Presidents, judges or lawyers, feudal Lords or Monarchs, Multinational Corporations, Friends of the Great Spotted Suck Toad, Gas and Electric Utilities, the Sierra Club, the United Nations or the World Bank. You all have a totalitarian bent and aim for the State to own and control everything and everyone. You are, in the words of one of the philosophers writing today, moral vultures. You squeeze and squeeze and squeeze and the more the people of any nation yelp and protest, the more brutal you become. Good. The more brutal you become, the more the people become aware of your game. People will stand for quite a bit of your nonsense—but you know that. It also helps when you brainwash them silly and stupid with that scourge of modern times, the television. It is by means of television that you enure them to your violence, and your generic nazi tactics; as long as it isn’t happening to them, they can bear watching it happen to their neighbors. Go right ahead and roast some more Somali kids. We’ll watch. But slowly, under all the layers of your televised sexuality and your televised violence, and the stupidity of your "news," the idea grows in millions of minds that they are watching the creation of the ugliest totalitarian/fascist beast yet. Good. Please squeeze harder. Send out more of your goons masquerading as gang members in their cool black suits. Terrorize and kill even more citizens in "the drug-glazed informant told us the wrong house" drug raids. Jack more young pregnant wives up against the wall so they miscarry, and shoot more kids in the back. Use even more tanks. Please continue, most of all, your policy of stealing property rights through land-grab environmentalism. This is the most important of all. After all, the great mass of humans can live without a free press—we’ve seen that in America for this entire century. By the insidious work of your televised sex and violence, you’ve made sure that people have lost their moral compass, so freedom of religion doesn’t much matter to them. You’ve doing great with the "guns are evil monsters" routine as well. Very few care about justice, so all your illegal searches and seizures have profited you greatly. Keep it up. Squeeze harder. Some blood needs to leak from our eyeballs. Do it. Squeeze, baby, squeeze. Please force more of our young daughters to spread their legs for your unnecessary and invasive government gynecological exams in the schools. Do not listen to their saying NO. Make them do it anyway. Please press all of our young men and women into involuntary servitude via your newest mechanism of "volunteerism." Make them suffer for it. Your doublethink on this issue alone is wonderful: involuntary volunteerism. Orwell would be very impressed. Squeeze. Squeeze harder. Indoctrinate the young men and women of the Armed Forces a bit more. With your new sex trials, the men will vacate the service, leaving an armed force of whiny females to defend this country. Good job, that one. Do keep killing all the officials and journalists who discover your tricks and disagree with your policies via Apparent Suicide Syndrome. You’re doing great with this tactic, teaching people who is boss and what thoughts they are allowed to think and say. With civilians, property rights will be the crux of the issue, which is why the people have had "Save the Earth From Humans" shoved quite prettily down their throats for the past 30 years. Please keep taking away our right—bought and paid for—to do what we wish with our houses, our property, our land. This is good. In fact, if you can manage it in the Congress turned Comintern, raise the taxes on producers, employers, and property owners until they cannot be borne. Put more people out of business and out of work with your "endangered species" ploy. They won’t realize that truly they are the endangered species. Make more species "endangered," for that matter. Take a risk. You’ve earned it, and you’ve become quite good at the Big Lie: make cows and pigs and chickens unavailable for human consumption by putting them on the "endangered" list. Put all animals currently hunted or fished for food or sport "endangered" and then you can outlaw all small arms for civilians. Squeeze. Squeeze much harder. It is, after all, what totalitarians do best. You’re doing really well on the death front, with the older ones crying for Dr. Kevorkian to give them his tender mercies, and an entire generation of young women willing to kill their own blood and bone wholesale, aided by the Lords of Medicine. A fine job on this, since now the people can kill and be killed for the sake of convenience. We’re coming to the historical point where you really start culling the herd of humans—but be careful here, since, after all, it’s those inconvenient humans who provide the money to support your totalitarian agenda. At least, don’t take too many all at once—a few invented in laboratories diseases will do to start—AIDS, Ebola, whatever. Don’t overdo it until the big push, of course. But keep up the squeeze. Use your free labor in prisons, where many of you have money invested, to make clothes and other goods for your consumption. This works well, too. Privatize prisons and run them on the Chinese model. If you run into trouble on this, note that most current (and rapidly becoming so) totalitarian governments can easily intimidate their herds of humans by using tanks against the people, and, needless to say, televising it. Keep using informant lowlives to frame your enemies as well as the innocent among the people. Give the ones you catch extremely hard sentences for not knowing, say, that a government snitch had buried "pipe bomb material" on their property. That’s a nifty tactic, and one some people learned from mightily. Do not prosecute your agents of the government bureaucracy no matter what laws they break, people they kill, or perjury they commit, whatever they may have done in the "line of culling the herd" just let it pass and cover it up. Make it very clear where the lines are drawn and for whom your laws apply. Among the people, the very very few are appreciative and aware of the lesson. Squeeze Real Hard. Keep lying through your teeth. Various current and former rulers are quite adept at this and it teaches the people discernment. This is a fine point, but important. The people learn when they hear when rulers or their agents say "No wrongdoing was done" in the face of blatant and obvious wrongdoing. Keep well your paparazzi pets, the media. They will live as long and prosper as well as you. They serve you well. Have them oblige you even more by ignoring lies, deceptions, thefts and coverups by squeezing them just a touch as well. Squeeze us even more, oh "kind-hearted" totalitarians. Until our eyeballs bleed. On that day, we shall see you reap what you have sown. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

03-09-2009, 01:07 PM	#31
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03-09-2009, 01:08 PM	#33
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03-09-2009, 01:19 PM	#36
nation-x Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,370	Fascism ->> http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

03-09-2009, 02:11 PM	#42
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	I still haven't heard any republican offer a good explanation for why a 35% tax rate that was set by President Bush is a good, capitalist top tax rate....and how the 39.6% rate proposed by President Obama is a bad, onerous, socialist, redistributive tax rate. I had no idea 4.6% was such a profound number. You go from capitalist to socialist just by crossing that line. __________________ sig too big

03-09-2009, 02:37 PM	#44
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	I don't think I could agree with that letter anymore.. He speaks the truth. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

03-09-2009, 02:50 PM	#45
nation-x Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,370	Here is their plan http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/ho...bers-for-dems/

03-09-2009, 03:22 PM	#49
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,141	that letter is just more fingerpointing. that writer and his letter are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem.