Dirty F

350 questions the morons are ignoring because it doesn't go well with their theories.

Pleasurepays

this is a very ironic remark which perfectly highlights your insanity.

videos dont lie; you point out that every video is a lie and can be faked... unless you agree with a video, then that video "can't be faked" and is absolute proof

eye witnesses don't lie; which eyewitnesses? the overwhelming majority which have identical stories? or the tiny minority which don't?

science doesn't lie; which science? you spend considerable time explaining all the science proving what happened was a lie (lets forget the fact that you have no math, engineering or metallurgy background are defininately aren't qualified to do so). i presume you again mean "the science i agree with" doesn't lie.

you dismiss everything you don't agree with as fake, a lie, a coverup etc. and you latch on to a few things for which you fabricated an alternative alternative and demand they be accepted as fact because they "can't be faked"... which is ironic considering you are calling all similar facts, videos, reports, science etc "faked".

forgetting 9/11 all together and what anyone might think happened and to what degree. you are totally out of your fucking mind. literally. you are 100% insane. you're views are the result of paranoid delusions and a symptom of mental illness. its truly unfortunate that you don't get the help and medication you need so that you could start to lead a normal life.

Dirty F

Yup, i came to this conclusion as well.

DVTimes

10 pages.

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I was thinking the same...

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XXXMovie4M

i have to say that it's interesting how fast you guys stopped talking about the details of the "attack" and start focusing on the individuals who present the facts.

it looks like you're picking up bad habits the government uses.

thanks for further confirmation!

notime

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DaddyHalbucks

Again, let's go back to Kinetic Energy 101. The wings are very fragile and have very low mass. They would crumple and disintegrate immediately, leaving little damage.

The engine parts, flight recorder, and other remains were identical with the Boeing 757.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...42.html?page=6

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Pleasurepays

witnesses don't lie. you said that yourself:


Flight 77 Debris
Claim: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

DVTimes

its bad news.

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hershie

Don't you get it; only some witnesses matter to them. Furthermore, that Popular Mechanics report is yellow journalism to them so every expert must have been paid off or pressured. You just can't win.

Pleasurepays

my interest is more in observing Paranoid Disorder and Delusional Disorder at work, than trying to "win" an argument with someone incapable of reason or rational thought.

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XXXMovie4M

one thing will win this argument.

provide one example, just one....of a building completely collapsing (without explosives) to the ground into it's own footprint the way WTC 7 did. just one example.

now if your comment is "well, no two buildings are alike" or "they didn't have the same type of damage" bla...bla...bla, then just provide one example of a buidling that had similar fire and/or structual damage.

surely in the history of steel structures there is at least one other example of this happening.

i can provide numerous examples where it didn't happen but i want to see one where it did.

if someone can provide this then i will shut my mouth and never make another comment on this thread.

Scootermuze

Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane?s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They?d been told the plane?s ?black boxes? would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77. ?We wanted to find live victims,? says Burkhammer. But this was a consolation prize. ?Finding the black box gave us a little boost,? he says.

Further.. "I held in my hand the tail section of the plane."
Have a look at the tail section of a 757...

Just sayin... For every story, there's one that contradicts..

Snake Doctor

So the sole method to deciding whether or not something is true is whether or not it's ever happened before?

I can't remember another instance of two 747's crashing into a skyscraper, so I guess that didn't really happen either.

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

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XXXMovie4M

you already stuck your foot in mouth when you said i didn't think airplanes hit the twin towers. i still didn't get a reply where i said this. as far as i'm concerned you don't have the mental capacity to follow along with this thread.

Dirty F

Piss off already retardboy. Get help. Get medicines. You're clearly sick in your head.

Let's all stop responding to this lunatic please, maybe he will go away.

I know i said it before but this really was my last reply to him. He's not worth our time. Let's ignore him.

Pleasurepays

no... you said witnesses never lie. right? thats what you said. so endless witnesses watched the planes fly into the towers. they watched the plane fly into the Pentagon. they sifted through the rubble to collect debris from the wreckage (including the black box in the Pentagon).

so, if witnesses don't lie. then you have to admit that a plane flew into the Pentagon. because witnesses saw the plane, the wreckage, the impact etc.

Dirty F

Ignore him dude. He's not sane. No point in explaining things to him.

Phoenix

i used to pull the trolls into these all the time

you make one alien thread or thread about 9/11
and they cant help themselves...they throw themselves off the cliff like lemmings..lol

i can literally see some people here frothing at the mouth..lol


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Dirty F

Stop lying. You were one of those conspiracy nuts who came up with totally retarded theories all the time. People were laughing about you and calling you an idiot. You were about at the same level as that moron XXXMovie4M. Apparently you got the right help and are normal again but it's fucking pathetic to act if it was all a joke to you you dumb fuck.

Dirty F

I remember how you tried to convince us how a small hole on the inside walls of the Pentagon (created by debris from the plane) was evidence they used a missile because you thought it was on the ouside. Oh man...you are/were maybe even more dumb than that moron in this thread if that's even possible.

Snake Doctor

No I obviously just confused you with one of your other paranoid schizophrenic buddies on here. You guys have so many personalities it's hard to keep track.

Forgive me for not keeping an outline of all the minute details of your paranoid delusions. I didn't realize I would be tested later on which idiot believed which crackpot theory and why.

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Serge Litehead

Media can and does lie - seen how world media was one-sided with Georgia's staged "Russian aggression" last year

Governments can and do lie - remember on what premises we went to Iraq

I'm sure there are more examples like above

So what makes 9/11 any different? was there total transparency in investigations? why some things don't add up logically? is Obama that bright he picked date resembling 911 emergency call (of course it's a coincidence). Why would you have your enemy be free and alive for such a long time after such a huge devastation?

and also is pressured democracy is still a democracy, right?

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XXXMovie4M

oh sorry, i thought it was you that said this. it must be another snake doctor.

here's the post incase you need to review it:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=437

bushwacker

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Dirty F

XXXMovie4M

so has anyone found a single building in the history of steel structures that collapsed like WTC 7?

are we to believe that it was a one in a million historical event that just happened to look exactly like a perfectly executed demo job?

are we to believe that larry silverstein said "pull it" when he was talking about a group of firefighters? do we refer to people as "it"?

are we to believe that a building has never completely collpased before due to fire and/or structual damage in the history of steel buildings but yet it happened to three of them on the same day?

WTC 7 was such an extremely well built structure that it was the mayors "safe place" in the event of an emergency like this and it was also the holding place for exteremly important government records but yet it collapsed in seconds! are we to believe it collapsed from fire and structual damage but the buildings on either side remained standing?

Minte

You have to be one of those people you see on the streets with a long scraggly beard screaming incoherently at the top of your lungs carrying a sign..the END IS NEAR!!!!!!

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Eye witnesses do lie. And to make things worse, twenty people can see the same exact thing and walk away with twenty ideas of what happened. A classic example of this is that plane that hit the Pentagon - Some people said it was a missile, yet others were able to correctly id the exact type of plane it was.

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XXXMovie4M

true, people can have different "perceptions" for the same event. this is very common during traumatic experiences. that's why other evidence is used to confirm what witnesses observed.

that's why when eye witnesses say they heard timed explosions it is confirmed by videos like this:



this is why the collapse of WTC 7 is the smoking gun.

hershie

Care to comment on the pictures, witnesses including the FDNY Chief, evidence... here: http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm ?

XXXMovie4M

sure, i'd love to comment on this.

first of all it seems larry's words are being twisted after the fact from meaning "pulling the firefighters from the building" to "pulling the building down using cables and equipment". it would be impossible to pull a building down within it's own footprint using cables. if this works then demolition teams waste time and money by precisley setting explosives in order to destroy the supporting floors.

secondly, this was the largest crime scene in our history. do you think that wrecking crews would be allowed to start pulling buildings down shortly after the crime happened? is that the first step in a crime scene investigation? bring in a clean up crew so the investigators have a nice working environment before starting?

what was the urgency to "pull" WTC 7? with victims still trapped in the rubble, do you think that was the priority?

does this really look like the work of cables?

MediaGuy

Oh cool another sig spot.

btw google "Barry Jennings"

Another chance to benefit from mental midgets.

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cykoe6

Personally I think this thread calls much needed attention to the plight of the mentally ill in our society. There are millions of people like this poster who have almost no connection to reality and are in need of serious treatment. Unfortunately instead of getting the help they need they end up sitting alone and isolated in some dark basement apartment shrilly ranting and raving on message boards about shadowy conspiracies and reptilian shape shifters. It is indeed a sad indictment of our society that these people are left stranded and helpless in the swamp of their own fever dreams.

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XXXMovie4M

welcome to the club!

MediaGuy

You are referring to the people who think Osama Bin Laden did this, right?

George Bush Jr. et al ?

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cykoe6

You need to learn to ignore the voices in your head. Accepting that you have a problem and that not everything you perceive is reality will help you in the process of your recovery. Even people like you with severe cases of schizophrenia and related mental disorders can achieve a somewhat normal life through medication and regular professional treatment.

Understanding that you are sick and it is not your fault are important first steps. In the beginning you will likely need to rely on someone who is not sick to help you sort out which of your perceptions are real and which are the results of your illness. Do not despair as in time you may be able to function and socialize almost like a normal person. In some cases people with your condition are even able to reenter society and get regular employment, but it is important to be patient with your recovery and understand your own limitations. Get well soon buddy!

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hershie

Don't you think it may be a little intellectually dishonest to selectively take out only the most trivial evidence and testimony...that you can argue against out of that link and ignore the other 98% of solid video evidence and first hand commentary.

And to think of the 2 or 3 things you do pick out of that link out of the hundreds of evidence points against your position, saying that Silverstein's bad choice of words equals he was able to dictate to the FDNY what to do that day is ludicrous , never mind the dozen of so firefighters including the chief who tells you what happened around that episode in the link.

Doesn't it clearly show videos and pics showing it couldn't be a controlled demolition by the way it fell - it didn't even fall into its own footprint at all - nice only showing the fall from one side of the building - the penthouses went first...and they show bulging in the building and how so much damage was done to one side of the building that the photo of after the building fell shows it fell towards that side that gave out.

hershie

Wow, so not every gov't person and agency are keeping the secret conspiracy hidden, only the tens of thousands of others.

BTW, speaking of mental midgets, several months ago we had a similar thread about 9/11 and after reading your thought process and arguments, I decided I could never do business with your company while you are there as if you believe what you wrote about what people are capable of...you must have a lot less respect for others like your affilliates and clients than someone who actually applies sanity to their viewpoints.

Dirty Dane

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hershie

Yes, this one guy out of the tens of thousands of gov't workers that got away from being muzzled by Bush heard explosions, but they couldn't have been from a demolition, since to bring down a 47 story building, the amount of explosives needed would cause a decibel level of 120 a half a mile away.

Nice try.

XXXMovie4M

i'm not sure what your point is. are you saying that if there was a camera on the other side of these two buildings it would show something completely different than what's seen at this angle?




this looks like pretty selective damage don't you think?


if the building was brought down by cables and equipment, why wasn't this the cause illustrated in the NIST report?

hershie

How can we possibly have a proper argument if that is how you respond to all the evidence in that link you keep on ignoring. You are not being honest with the totality of evidence out there and keep on sticking to the minute ones that may somehow be capable of being twisted around enough to support your cause.

hershie

Yes, that's what I am saying and it was fire that brought down WTC7 so whatever you are trying to prove with that pic is stupid and of course misleading since I have seen video of large chunks of WTC1 falling into WTC7 and there is lots of evidence of the extent of the damage done.

So speaking of what actually brought down the building - fires, you must know they burned for several hours as the sprinkler lines were knocked out...and that caused the weakening of the columns... I know from some vantage points you can conclude it was isolated small fires, but just watch this video and also what the firefighters say about pulling back as it may fall... http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Smoke.avi

MediaGuy

Actually I repect anyone and everyone's beliefs.

you can believe what you want about 9/11 - the Bush admin will say it's Bin Laden, but the FBI says there's no proof of that.

Honestly i have no "evidence" or whatever about what happened. I just know a little about building collapse.

You can do business with whoever you want. My considerations about the reported events of 9/11 would have nothing to do with your beliefs; I respect those and consider them of no importance to our business dealings.

If the FBI, CIA, NSA or any other major world intelligence and police organization ever find who did 9/11, I'll either be vindicated or grant that you were right.

Until then, there's no reason to prejudice business or personal relations on that basis.

My discussions with people face-to-face about that stuff are usually jocular and not antagonistic...

Hope you and all of yours do well,

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hershie

So why the mental midget comment?