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notime · 04-14-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

It's amazing how a 130 page report created by experts, totally explaining in detail what happened to tower 7, means nothing to these conspiracy nuts yet a 16 year old kid who makes a cut and paste movie on his laptop in which he says it's impossible tower 7 fell down because it's not possible and uploads it to Youtube these same people call that 100% proof instantly.

why read..?
http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...iracy_theories
It's all there...

Minte · 04-14-2009, 03:56 PM

You people have it all wrong. It was NOT the government. It was some real estate(which will remain unnamed) developers in the city that wanted a view of the water. ;)

Dirty F · 04-14-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

You people have it all wrong. It was NOT the government. It was some real estate(which will remain unnamed) developers in the city that wanted a view of the water. ;)

Who's the hoochie in your avatar?

Donfoolio · 04-14-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

OMG! The space aliens and Jews, are taking over the world and tha gheys are helping every body run!

BREAKING NEWS FLASH!

Hollywood Jews landed men on the (holly)moon
Hitler is Dead (Fascism is not)
The space aliens have not been helping us since the 50's
The Jews run Hollywood/Media and in turn the US govt
FEMA isn't gonna heard me up like cattle and put me in a death camp
The US govt didn't blow up the WTC (the people did, by being blind cowards)

Never mind common sense we have the Television and Newspapers!

Fixt

Jakez · 04-14-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by notime

why read..?
http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...iracy_theories
It's all there...

Hahhaha fucking hilarious.

Thanks for the link Dirty F, I still don't understand how the fires started so far away or even brought it down, buildings have burned for over 24hrs before and not fallen. BUT, what you say does make sense, and it would be impossible to hide with so many in on it.

mynameisjim · 04-14-2009, 04:39 PM

I don't know what happened and I doubt anyone will ever know the whole story. But I do think there are missing pieces.

But there are quite a few very odd things that occurred. Maybe they were normal, but there are a lot of things. I mentioned this before, but the government finding passports of the hijackers when an entire skyscraper was reduced to dust. Seriously?? The fire was so intense it caused giant steel beams to melt and the building to collapse, yet a postcard size piece of paper remained intact......and was found!!

There are some very suspicious financial issues in regards to the twin towers, rights to rebuild, terrorist attack insurance, and other things that are documented and when examined, make it look like someone was able to predict the future.

Not to mention several of the hijackers were well known by the FBI,CIA, and NSA for YEARS before the attack. Several hijackers had an apartment so close to NSA headquarters that if you looked out from the top floor of the NSA building, you could see the hijackers apartment.

Dirty F · 04-14-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

Hahhaha fucking hilarious.

Thanks for the link Dirty F, I still don't understand how the fires started so far away or even brought it down, buildings have burned for over 24hrs before and not fallen. BUT, what you say does make sense, it would be impossible to hide with so many in on it.

You simply can't compare what happened to this building with other buildings. Nothing like this ever happened before. Every building is different and every situation is different. And this situation was extreme. Glad you actually did think about it instead of calling it bs right away.

TheDoc · 04-14-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

It's amazing how a 130 page report created by experts, totally explaining in detail what happened to tower 7, means nothing to these conspiracy nuts yet a 16 year old kid who makes a cut and paste movie on his laptop in which he says it's impossible tower 7 fell down because it's not possible and uploads it to Youtube these same people call that 100% proof instantly.

Oh yes, we should ALL take what our Gov says as total truth.. Smart fucking move....

It's not like we bombed ourselves for Vietnam, it's not like we haven't done it in the past, it's not we didn't allow pearl harbor to be bombed, it's not like they drafted plans to fake an attack by Cuba, oh no... we should all lay the fuck down and take the reports that our Gov says is true, simply because....

Even if nothing went down on 9/11 - For you not to question it..... Sheep... You are sheep, sheep, sheeeeep, sheep...

Dirty F · 04-14-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim

I don't know what happened and I doubt anyone will ever know the whole story. But I do think there are missing pieces.

But there are quite a few very odd things that occurred. Maybe they were normal, but there are a lot of things. I mentioned this before, but the government finding passports of the hijackers when an entire skyscraper was reduced to dust. Seriously?? The fire was so intense it caused giant steel beams to melt and the building to collapse, yet a postcard size piece of paper remained intact......and was found!!

There are some very suspicious financial issues in regards to the twin towers, rights to rebuild, terrorist attack insurance, and other things that are documented and when examined, make it look like someone was able to predict the future.

Not to mention several of the hijackers were well known by the FBI,CIA, and NSA for YEARS before the attack. Several hijackers had an apartment so close to NSA headquarters that if you looked out from the top floor of the NSA building, you could see the hijackers apartment.

That i totally agree with. I'm not saying nothing shady happened. It wouldn't surprise me if they let this happen while knowing about it. There's obviously more going on then we know about. But those theories some people come up with are just insane.

dav3 · 04-14-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you fucking morons. NO ONE has ever said the towers were built to "withstand" a direct impact from a jetliner.

"According to media reports, the World Trade Center was designed to withstand an airplane crash." - https://community.emporis.com/pu/in/gr/

http://books.google.com/books?id=oia...um=2#PPT242,M1

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1340...ane-crash.html

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2001/se...wers_built_to/

Minte · 04-14-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dav3

"According to media reports, the World Trade Center was designed to withstand an airplane crash." - https://community.emporis.com/pu/in/gr/

http://books.google.com/books?id=oia...um=2#PPT242,M1

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1340...ane-crash.html

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2001/se...wers_built_to/

Design is an art,not a science. Engineering is a science until a bridge collapses. The towers were engineered to *potentially withstand a collision* with a 707 at takeoff/landing speeds of around 160knts. The amount of kinetic energy delivered from a fully loaded 757 at nearly 500knts could never be engineered and still built economically.

Minte · 04-14-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

Who's the hoochie in your avatar?

That's Kara the detailer.

DVTimes · 04-14-2009, 06:50 PM

Exotic High Tech Explosives Positively Identified in World Trade Center Dust

A ground-breaking scientific paper confirmed this week that red-gray flakes found throughout multiple samples of WTC dust are actually unexploded fragments of nanothermite, an exotic high-tech explosive.

The samples were taken from far-separated locations in Manhattan, some as early as 10 minutes after the second tower (WTC 1) collapsed, ruling out any possible contamination from cleanup operations.

Authored by an international team of physicists, chemists, and others, the research paper was titled ?Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe.? It was published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, 2009, Vol. 2., and is available online for free download. The lead author is Niels H. Harrit of the Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen.

The paper ends with the statement, ?Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.?

Ordinary thermite burns quickly and can melt through steel, but it is not explosive. Nanothermite, however, can be formulated as a high explosive. It is stable when wet and can be applied like paint.

The presence of pre-planted explosives in the WTC buildings calls into question the official story that the buildings were destroyed by the airplane collisions and fire alone. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the official government agency that investigated the building collapses, did not test for residues of explosives.

Richard Gage, AIA, said, ?This peer-reviewed scientific study of the disturbing contents of the WTC dust is yet another smoking gun proving to the over 600 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) who I represent that a real investigation must be carried out immediately as to the actual cause of the destruction of the 3 WTC high-rises on 9/11.?

One of the paper?s co-authors is AE911Truth researcher/editor Gregg Roberts. When Roberts signed the AE911Truth petition demanding a new 9/11 investigation, he wrote, ?What struck me on 9/11 was how much dust was created.? Now, over 7 years later, Roberts has an intimate appreciation for that dust. The steel was removed and destroyed very quickly after the catastrophe, despite loud protests from fire fighters and others. It was destruction of the primary evidence at a crime scene. The dust, however, remains as a key piece of physical evidence.

The nine coauthors are Niels H. Harrit, Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark, Jeffrey Farrer, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Steven E. Jones, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT, Kevin R. Ryan, 9/11 Working Group of Bloomington, Bloomington, IN, Frank M. Legge, Logical Systems Consulting, Perth, Western Australia, Daniel Farnsworth, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Gregg Roberts, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Berkeley, CA, James R. Gourley, International Center for 9/11 Studies, Dallas, TX, and Bradley R. Larsen, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT.

Source: AE911Truth

Minte · 04-14-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by allanuk

Exotic High Tech Explosives Positively Identified in World Trade Center Dust

A ground-breaking scientific paper confirmed this week that red-gray flakes found throughout multiple samples of WTC dust are actually unexploded fragments of nanothermite, an exotic high-tech explosive.

The samples were taken from far-separated locations in Manhattan, some as early as 10 minutes after the second tower (WTC 1) collapsed, ruling out any possible contamination from cleanup operations.

Authored by an international team of physicists, chemists, and others, the research paper was titled ?Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe.? It was published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, 2009, Vol. 2., and is available online for free download. The lead author is Niels H. Harrit of the Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen.

The paper ends with the statement, ?Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.?

Ordinary thermite burns quickly and can melt through steel, but it is not explosive. Nanothermite, however, can be formulated as a high explosive. It is stable when wet and can be applied like paint.

The presence of pre-planted explosives in the WTC buildings calls into question the official story that the buildings were destroyed by the airplane collisions and fire alone. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the official government agency that investigated the building collapses, did not test for residues of explosives.

Richard Gage, AIA, said, ?This peer-reviewed scientific study of the disturbing contents of the WTC dust is yet another smoking gun proving to the over 600 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) who I represent that a real investigation must be carried out immediately as to the actual cause of the destruction of the 3 WTC high-rises on 9/11.?

One of the paper?s co-authors is AE911Truth researcher/editor Gregg Roberts. When Roberts signed the AE911Truth petition demanding a new 9/11 investigation, he wrote, ?What struck me on 9/11 was how much dust was created.? Now, over 7 years later, Roberts has an intimate appreciation for that dust. The steel was removed and destroyed very quickly after the catastrophe, despite loud protests from fire fighters and others. It was destruction of the primary evidence at a crime scene. The dust, however, remains as a key piece of physical evidence.

The nine coauthors are Niels H. Harrit, Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark, Jeffrey Farrer, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Steven E. Jones, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT, Kevin R. Ryan, 9/11 Working Group of Bloomington, Bloomington, IN, Frank M. Legge, Logical Systems Consulting, Perth, Western Australia, Daniel Farnsworth, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Gregg Roberts, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Berkeley, CA, James R. Gourley, International Center for 9/11 Studies, Dallas, TX, and Bradley R. Larsen, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT.

Source: AE911Truth

I am much more interested in what really happened at Dealy Plaza and Roswell. I didn't get to watch those events live on television.

XXXMovie4M · 04-14-2009, 07:17 PM

they really fucked up when they brought building 7 down. their greed got the best of them and they had to get rid of all the enron records.

this building was the mayors "safe" place in the event of an emergency but yet it collpased perfectly.

if this is the case then it should put demo companies out of business. all you have to do is light a few floors on fire and watch it crumble.

Minte · 04-14-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M

they really fucked up when they brought building 7 down. their greed got the best of them and they had to get rid of all the enron records.

this building was the mayors "safe" place in the event of an emergency but yet it collpased perfectly.

if this is the case then it should put demo companies out of business. all you have to do is light a few floors on fire and watch it crumble.

I wasn't aware that anyone had gone to prison for their part in 9/11

Adam X · 04-14-2009, 07:29 PM

probably the best of all the evidence is the way the towers dropped at free-fall speed..

the lower floors would not collapse that fast and pancake at such a speed had their not been something like a really stealth explosive to melt/explode the beams on all/some levels... the dust sure does appear similar to a demolition... with help from the planes coming in blowin the shit out of everything with all that gas onboard...

but whats with the military plane with no windows? kinda reaching eh? I dont remember any of that... I sat in front of the tv for weeks after that shit happened..

Minte · 04-14-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam X

probably the best of all the evidence is the way the towers dropped at free-fall speed..

the lower floors would not collapse that fast and pancake at such a speed had their not been something like a really stealth explosive to melt/explode the beams on all/some levels... the dust sure does appear similar to a demolition... with help from the planes coming in blowin the shit out of everything with all that gas onboard...

but whats with the military plane with no windows? kinda reaching eh? I dont remember any of that... I sat in front of the tv for weeks after that shit happened..

You use the word evidence..that suggests a crime. Who are you thinking was behind this crime?

XXXMovie4M · 04-14-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte

I wasn't aware that anyone had gone to prison for their part in 9/11

how can the government prosecute itself? we can't even get a president to admit he got a blowjob!

XXXMovie4M · 04-14-2009, 08:22 PM

most people don't see a problem with a building collapsing like a house of cards into it's own footprint. i've even heard people say "well, aren't they suppose to do that so they don't fall over and destroy buildings around it?"

can you imagine working in a building knowing that the engineers didn't design it for your safety but rather the safety of building surrounding it!

most people don't realize how hard it is to "pull" a building even when done by experts who spents weeks carefully planning it.

here's the fottage of WTC 7 coming down from exterior and minor fire damage:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

if the floors that caught on fire collapsed, wehy would the entire building collapse? they wouldn't, the floors would pancake each other and stop. now here's what happens when a demo job fails. as you can clearly see the building stops collapsing because the explosives failed.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rIEBLdd6W3Q

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UsePU...eature=related

now why wouldn't these buildings keep going right into the ground once the momentum has started?

Juilan · 04-14-2009, 08:50 PM

I was under the impression that thermite (what they just found) was a common substance you would expect to find flake off either during the original steel construction or in this case the explosive combination of iron aluminum and fuel that happened after.

StickyGreen · 04-14-2009, 08:56 PM

lol @ all the people still in denial.

John Farmer, former Senior Counsel for the "official" 9/11 Commission even has a new book coming out where he explains how the government agreed not to tell the truth about 9/11. But most of you all still think authority is synonymous with credibility. Like that idiot earlier in the thread who was like, "Well I watched a documentary about 9/11 on NOVA and they didn't say anything about explosives, so it must not be true!" lmao

directfiesta · 04-14-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

You can't win an argument with these far out there lunatics using logic, common sense or reason. The reason is because if they were capable of these traits in the first place they'd never have these outlandish theories backed up by one or two confused witnesses, random occurences of the numbers 9 and 11 in pop culture and visual evidence observed by laymen.

In short there's no possible way to educate these people and you're wasting your time.

I am not buying the " USA gov did it " but I do enjoy pulling Pleasurepays panties up his crack ...

It is funny to see how he starts by saying that a 707 and a 767 are like nothing similar ... then I post specs and illustration of the planes and now it is another bla bla bla ....

This guy is such a douche ....

directfiesta · 04-14-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You didn't see all of the paper flying around WTC site moments after the planes hit? That shit drifted around for hours.....

Passports are not plain paper on a desk .... Passports are somehow a bit more heavy and compact...

Also, most travellers keep them either in their interiorjacquet/shirt pockets or in a carrying bag ....

How many "non-terrorists" passports did they find ?????

directfiesta · 04-14-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Again, you are trying to use logic and reason to convince someone who is not capable of either. Just let it go.

logic ???? which logic ????

How about facts about airplanes :
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=114

directfiesta · 04-14-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The WTC towers were designed in the 1960s and completed in 1971. They were designed to withstand the crash of a plane of that time - not an airplane built forty years later.

How about facts about airplanes :
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=114

DWB · 04-14-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

this seems like it should be pretty big, why isn't it getting more news coverage here in north america ?

Hmmmmm. Why do you think?

SmokeyTheBear · 04-15-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/t..._1120_wtc7.htm

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the report seems pretty valid to me , but the video made me laugh.
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/r...tc_videos.html

The guy basically says explosives were not used because nobody heard a boom .. lol

That sounds a bit odd. Obviously there is some truth to it but i would think there are other scientific ways to test if explosives were used.

mynameisjim · 04-15-2009, 01:13 AM

I sometimes think the government left some clues on purpose. Like the passport, or building 7, for the sole purpose of firing up the conspiracy theories. The thing is, once the conspiracy theories get going, you never get to the truth.

But that's assuming the people behind this (if that is indeed the case) are pretty smart.

But for you older folks you might remember how Howard Hughs was used by the U.S. government in a plot to recover a disabled submarine. Howard Hughs claimed to have built a giant ship to "mine" the ocean for minerals and make billions. He even showed the ship off in a huge ceremony. However, the real purpose of the ship was to find the missing submarine and raise it from the sea floor without the Soviets knowing. The plan worked, but it shows how the government likes to hide it's biggest secrets in plain site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Gl...orer_(T-AG-193)

The point is, the government has no problem asking for and receiving the help of big business to carry out it's covert operations. Take a look at how much some people made off of the twin towers collapse, it's in the billions.

Dirty Dane · 04-15-2009, 05:24 AM

People just don't get it...
If it was an insider job, and the motive was to start a new war or "world order" or whatever, they didn't have to tear the WTC buildings down. The airplanes crash would be enough. In fact, attacking Pentagon only, would be sufficient. Even without daylight...
With conspiracies, you do not leave traces behind. Even Bush is not that stupid.

Dirty F · 04-15-2009, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M

most people don't see a problem with a building collapsing like a house of cards into it's own footprint. i've even heard people say "well, aren't they suppose to do that so they don't fall over and destroy buildings around it?"

Once again moron how exactly is it supposed to collapse according to you? You know how gravity works do you?

biskoppen · 04-15-2009, 06:36 AM

The reason why an act like this worked is that people can't comprehent what "evil people" are capable doing..

"Naaa, I don't believe that anyone would ever do anything that evil"

Etc etc..

That's why you can pull a stunt off like this..

That 3rd plane which went down... smells like that was planed for building 7 which already was rigged up with this thermite shit prepared for another mysterious collapse.. but no plane came..

Dirty F · 04-15-2009, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam X

probably the best of all the evidence is the way the towers dropped at free-fall speed..

the lower floors would not collapse that fast and pancake at such a speed had their not been something like a really stealth explosive to melt/explode the beams on all/some levels... the dust sure does appear similar to a demolition... with help from the planes coming in blowin the shit out of everything with all that gas onboard...

but whats with the military plane with no windows? kinda reaching eh? I dont remember any of that... I sat in front of the tv for weeks after that shit happened..

So tell me mr expert the debris that falls faster than the building itself how fast is that exactly? Faster than free fall speed or something?
And same question to you as the moron above: How exactly was the building supposed to collapse instead?

Dirty F · 04-15-2009, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by biskoppen

That 3rd plane which went down... smells like that was planed for building 7 which already was rigged up with this thermite shit prepared for another mysterious collapse.. but no plane came..

What ?

Phoenix · 04-15-2009, 06:47 AM

wow this debate still rages on here eh

fun..but it is like beating your head against the wall

some people see it one way..some another

some still fully believe in the one gunmen theory as well

Martin · 04-15-2009, 07:51 AM

I think it was butt buddies Dirty Fag and Warchild that blew up the towers. It was you niggaz, tell the truth niggaz.

Deej · 04-15-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

its made from powdered aluminum and iron.

well.. since we all know the WTC was made from unicorn skin and midget tears... i think anyone could conclude that its very unreasonable that a collapsed sky scraper might produce these things.

Minte · 04-15-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by XXXMovie4M

how can the government prosecute itself? we can't even get a president to admit he got a blowjob!

Could you narrow it down a bit from *The Government* did it to either the Democrats or the Republicans did it? It's fairly certain that there is no way possible that the dems and the repubs conspired together to bring down the WTC. If that had been the case they would still be debating over what color of airplane they should use.

PornoStar69 · 04-15-2009, 10:29 AM

Trading Places (1983) shot of the twin towers and then this (these guys are fucking smart who pulled off 9/11)

WarChild · 04-15-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoStar69

Trading Places (1983) shot of the twin towers and then this (these guys are fucking smart who pulled off 9/11)

How do you survive in the World? I mean, you're so fucking stupid that it must be a chore to not get run over everytime you go out.

Dirty Dane · 04-15-2009, 10:51 AM

Al Gore and his buttplugs did it. No doubt.

DaddyHalbucks · 04-15-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TarPy

Well, throw in that dust of that size isn't created from a collapse, where things roughly break into large chunks...

It was a large flowing cloud of dust, extremely consistent with explosives that pulverize concrete into a fine powder. Individual computer boards were pulverized as well... We deal with circuit boards, you could drop any combination of steel and concrete on a computer and I don't see it turning to dust, but blow it up... and....

I mean, we're not the only government in the world that is or has made shit up. But there's definately less than a straight story coming from the government on this one...

We ever find the wings to that plane that make an O shaped hole in the pentagon, rather than the ---O--- shape that real planes have?

uh.. missle

Have you ever taken a physics class? Perhaps you slept through the lecture about kinetic energy. When you slam an airplane into a brick wall or even a grassy lawn at 500 MPH.. there is not much left.

WarChild · 04-15-2009, 10:52 AM

Guys like Pornofan really do a disservice to anyone actually seeking the truth.

Anyone that believes that a conspiracy kept so secret that nobody who participated, which must be in the thousands of people, has ever come forward would be hinted at through pop culture for years in advance is just beyond retarded. It's such a stupid concept I can't believe anyone can believe it and be able to work a message board.

PornoStar69 · 04-15-2009, 10:56 AM

Warchild = disinfo agent

or the biggest dumb ass in the world.

Martin · 04-15-2009, 11:00 AM

LOL.. This is great.

DaddyHalbucks · 04-15-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen

lol @ all the people still in denial.

John Farmer, former Senior Counsel for the "official" 9/11 Commission even has a new book coming out where he explains how the government agreed not to tell the truth about 9/11. But most of you all still think authority is synonymous with credibility. Like that idiot earlier in the thread who was like, "Well I watched a documentary about 9/11 on NOVA and they didn't say anything about explosives, so it must not be true!" lmao

Ummm, that's false and absurd.

In the NOVA documentary you can see the actual moment the trusses fail from the heat stress. I repeat, you can see the actual frame on the video when the trusses fail from the heat stress. That's why NOVA is to be believed, not simply because it is "a movie that didn't mention something."

And, there is not one shred of evidence to indicate that explosives were used on any of the MANY 9/11 videos from many amateur videographers.

The only reason that 9/11 government conspiracy theories exist --is because conspiracy theorists WANT them to exist. Period.

Ozarkz · 04-15-2009, 11:02 AM

WarChild is in on it!

Dirty F · 04-15-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoStar69

Trading Places (1983) shot of the twin towers and then this (these guys are fucking smart who pulled off 9/11)

You realize you're simply insane right?

PornoStar69 · 04-15-2009, 11:07 AM

Traffic (1998)

Dirty F · 04-15-2009, 11:08 AM

I keep asking and nobody responds. You idiots keep crying about how the tower fell down straight which according to you means it was because of explosives. So then please answer me how else would've it have fallen down if it wasn't bombed? What was it supposed to do then?
And also no answer why the debris falls faster than the building. So the debris is actually falling faster than free fall speed?

Give me some answers so i can understand you great minds.

04-14-2009, 03:56 PM	#152
Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	You people have it all wrong. It was NOT the government. It was some real estate(which will remain unnamed) developers in the city that wanted a view of the water. ;) __________________ You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

04-14-2009, 04:39 PM	#156
mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	I don't know what happened and I doubt anyone will ever know the whole story. But I do think there are missing pieces. But there are quite a few very odd things that occurred. Maybe they were normal, but there are a lot of things. I mentioned this before, but the government finding passports of the hijackers when an entire skyscraper was reduced to dust. Seriously?? The fire was so intense it caused giant steel beams to melt and the building to collapse, yet a postcard size piece of paper remained intact......and was found!! There are some very suspicious financial issues in regards to the twin towers, rights to rebuild, terrorist attack insurance, and other things that are documented and when examined, make it look like someone was able to predict the future. Not to mention several of the hijackers were well known by the FBI,CIA, and NSA for YEARS before the attack. Several hijackers had an apartment so close to NSA headquarters that if you looked out from the top floor of the NSA building, you could see the hijackers apartment. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

04-14-2009, 06:50 PM	#163
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	Exotic High Tech Explosives Positively Identified in World Trade Center Dust Exotic High Tech Explosives Positively Identified in World Trade Center Dust A ground-breaking scientific paper confirmed this week that red-gray flakes found throughout multiple samples of WTC dust are actually unexploded fragments of nanothermite, an exotic high-tech explosive. The samples were taken from far-separated locations in Manhattan, some as early as 10 minutes after the second tower (WTC 1) collapsed, ruling out any possible contamination from cleanup operations. Authored by an international team of physicists, chemists, and others, the research paper was titled ?Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe.? It was published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, 2009, Vol. 2., and is available online for free download. The lead author is Niels H. Harrit of the Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen. The paper ends with the statement, ?Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.? Ordinary thermite burns quickly and can melt through steel, but it is not explosive. Nanothermite, however, can be formulated as a high explosive. It is stable when wet and can be applied like paint. The presence of pre-planted explosives in the WTC buildings calls into question the official story that the buildings were destroyed by the airplane collisions and fire alone. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), the official government agency that investigated the building collapses, did not test for residues of explosives. Richard Gage, AIA, said, ?This peer-reviewed scientific study of the disturbing contents of the WTC dust is yet another smoking gun proving to the over 600 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) who I represent that a real investigation must be carried out immediately as to the actual cause of the destruction of the 3 WTC high-rises on 9/11.? One of the paper?s co-authors is AE911Truth researcher/editor Gregg Roberts. When Roberts signed the AE911Truth petition demanding a new 9/11 investigation, he wrote, ?What struck me on 9/11 was how much dust was created.? Now, over 7 years later, Roberts has an intimate appreciation for that dust. The steel was removed and destroyed very quickly after the catastrophe, despite loud protests from fire fighters and others. It was destruction of the primary evidence at a crime scene. The dust, however, remains as a key piece of physical evidence. The nine coauthors are Niels H. Harrit, Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark, Jeffrey Farrer, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Steven E. Jones, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT, Kevin R. Ryan, 9/11 Working Group of Bloomington, Bloomington, IN, Frank M. Legge, Logical Systems Consulting, Perth, Western Australia, Daniel Farnsworth, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Gregg Roberts, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Berkeley, CA, James R. Gourley, International Center for 9/11 Studies, Dallas, TX, and Bradley R. Larsen, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT. Source: AE911Truth __________________ The Affiliate Program

04-14-2009, 07:29 PM	#167
Adam X Now Giving 1 Fuck Daily Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,493	probably the best of all the evidence is the way the towers dropped at free-fall speed.. the lower floors would not collapse that fast and pancake at such a speed had their not been something like a really stealth explosive to melt/explode the beams on all/some levels... the dust sure does appear similar to a demolition... with help from the planes coming in blowin the shit out of everything with all that gas onboard... but whats with the military plane with no windows? kinda reaching eh? I dont remember any of that... I sat in front of the tv for weeks after that shit happened.. __________________ Cronfund - Buy CRON now and earn 4% plus coin value. The best of DEFI!

04-14-2009, 08:50 PM	#171
Juilan Sultan of Swing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: XXXodus Posts: 15,141	I was under the impression that thermite (what they just found) was a common substance you would expect to find flake off either during the original steel construction or in this case the explosive combination of iron aluminum and fuel that happened after. __________________ My Best Converting VOD Sponsor \|

04-14-2009, 07:17 PM	#165
XXXMovie4M Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hell Posts: 359	they really fucked up when they brought building 7 down. their greed got the best of them and they had to get rid of all the enron records. this building was the mayors "safe" place in the event of an emergency but yet it collpased perfectly. if this is the case then it should put demo companies out of business. all you have to do is light a few floors on fire and watch it crumble.

04-14-2009, 08:22 PM	#170
XXXMovie4M Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hell Posts: 359	most people don't see a problem with a building collapsing like a house of cards into it's own footprint. i've even heard people say "well, aren't they suppose to do that so they don't fall over and destroy buildings around it?" can you imagine working in a building knowing that the engineers didn't design it for your safety but rather the safety of building surrounding it! most people don't realize how hard it is to "pull" a building even when done by experts who spents weeks carefully planning it. here's the fottage of WTC 7 coming down from exterior and minor fire damage: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A if the floors that caught on fire collapsed, wehy would the entire building collapse? they wouldn't, the floors would pancake each other and stop. now here's what happens when a demo job fails. as you can clearly see the building stops collapsing because the explosives failed. https://youtube.com/watch?v=rIEBLdd6W3Q https://youtube.com/watch?v=UsePU...eature=related now why wouldn't these buildings keep going right into the ground once the momentum has started?

04-14-2009, 08:56 PM	#172
StickyGreen . Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13,076	lol @ all the people still in denial. John Farmer, former Senior Counsel for the "official" 9/11 Commission even has a new book coming out where he explains how the government agreed not to tell the truth about 9/11. But most of you all still think authority is synonymous with credibility. Like that idiot earlier in the thread who was like, "Well I watched a documentary about 9/11 on NOVA and they didn't say anything about explosives, so it must not be true!" lmao __________________ Refer Cam Girls and Take Home 10% of Everything They Make For Life Last edited by StickyGreen; 04-14-2009 at 08:57 PM..

04-15-2009, 01:13 AM	#179
mynameisjim Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,985	I sometimes think the government left some clues on purpose. Like the passport, or building 7, for the sole purpose of firing up the conspiracy theories. The thing is, once the conspiracy theories get going, you never get to the truth. But that's assuming the people behind this (if that is indeed the case) are pretty smart. But for you older folks you might remember how Howard Hughs was used by the U.S. government in a plot to recover a disabled submarine. Howard Hughs claimed to have built a giant ship to "mine" the ocean for minerals and make billions. He even showed the ship off in a huge ceremony. However, the real purpose of the ship was to find the missing submarine and raise it from the sea floor without the Soviets knowing. The plan worked, but it shows how the government likes to hide it's biggest secrets in plain site. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Gl...orer_(T-AG-193) The point is, the government has no problem asking for and receiving the help of big business to carry out it's covert operations. Take a look at how much some people made off of the twin towers collapse, it's in the billions. __________________ jim (at) amateursconvert . com Amateurs Convert

04-15-2009, 05:24 AM	#180
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	People just don't get it... If it was an insider job, and the motive was to start a new war or "world order" or whatever, they didn't have to tear the WTC buildings down. The airplanes crash would be enough. In fact, attacking Pentagon only, would be sufficient. Even without daylight... With conspiracies, you do not leave traces behind. Even Bush is not that stupid. Last edited by Dirty Dane; 04-15-2009 at 05:26 AM..

04-15-2009, 06:36 AM	#182
biskoppen Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Very small penis Posts: 5,809	The reason why an act like this worked is that people can't comprehent what "evil people" are capable doing.. "Naaa, I don't believe that anyone would ever do anything that evil" Etc etc.. That's why you can pull a stunt off like this.. That 3rd plane which went down... smells like that was planed for building 7 which already was rigged up with this thermite shit prepared for another mysterious collapse.. but no plane came.. __________________ Submit my videos to make bank, tons of 5 minute videos offered right here

04-15-2009, 06:47 AM	#185
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,457	wow this debate still rages on here eh fun..but it is like beating your head against the wall some people see it one way..some another some still fully believe in the one gunmen theory as well __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

04-15-2009, 07:51 AM	#186
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	I think it was butt buddies Dirty Fag and Warchild that blew up the towers. It was you niggaz, tell the truth niggaz. __________________

04-15-2009, 10:29 AM	#189
PornoStar69 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: xxweekxx mothers bed. Posts: 2,022	Trading Places (1983) shot of the twin towers and then this (these guys are fucking smart who pulled off 9/11) __________________ GFY King?

04-15-2009, 10:51 AM	#191
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	Al Gore and his buttplugs did it. No doubt.

04-15-2009, 10:52 AM	#193
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Guys like Pornofan really do a disservice to anyone actually seeking the truth. Anyone that believes that a conspiracy kept so secret that nobody who participated, which must be in the thousands of people, has ever come forward would be hinted at through pop culture for years in advance is just beyond retarded. It's such a stupid concept I can't believe anyone can believe it and be able to work a message board. __________________ .

04-15-2009, 10:56 AM	#194
PornoStar69 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: xxweekxx mothers bed. Posts: 2,022	Warchild = disinfo agent or the biggest dumb ass in the world. __________________ GFY King?

04-15-2009, 11:00 AM	#195
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	LOL.. This is great. __________________

04-15-2009, 11:02 AM	#197
Ozarkz So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,377	WarChild is in on it!

04-15-2009, 11:07 AM	#199
PornoStar69 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: xxweekxx mothers bed. Posts: 2,022	Traffic (1998) __________________ GFY King?

04-15-2009, 11:08 AM	#200
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	I keep asking and nobody responds. You idiots keep crying about how the tower fell down straight which according to you means it was because of explosives. So then please answer me how else would've it have fallen down if it wasn't bombed? What was it supposed to do then? And also no answer why the debris falls faster than the building. So the debris is actually falling faster than free fall speed? Give me some answers so i can understand you great minds. Last edited by Dirty F; 04-15-2009 at 11:10 AM..