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cam_girls · 08-17-2009, 06:42 AM

didn't mean to kick the soapbox out from under you

Jack Sparrow · 08-17-2009, 07:47 AM

You didnt, people just give up on you because you keep acting like a 4yr old whos father bought him this 300k bike but you cant ride, and dont want to really hear anyone who can.

chemicaleyes · 08-17-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mrfrisky

You didnt, people just give up on you because you keep acting like a 4yr old whos father bought him this 300k bike but you cant ride, and dont want to really hear anyone who can.

Just forget him already, go and relax man

ShellyCrash · 08-17-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mrfrisky

You didnt, people just give up on you because you keep acting like a 4yr old whos father bought him this 300k bike but you cant ride, and dont want to really hear anyone who can.

LOL!

Someone said almost this exact same analogy about this thread to me the other week. Told me a story about how some douche spent like $200k having a custom bike built, then he comes to pick it up and he can't even ride! Turned out he got the money for it from his INLAWS!

Too funny

lazycash · 08-17-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

LOL!

Someone said almost this exact same analogy about this thread to me the other week. Told me a story about how some douche spent like $200k having a custom bike built, then he comes to pick it up and he can't even ride! Turned out he got the money for it from his INLAWS!

Too funny

Great analogy.

lazycash · 08-17-2009, 11:22 PM

Why don't you read this thread and get some idea of all you need to do to get your own cam site going. http://www.gfy.com/it/922335-cam-companies-programs-looking-add-cam-site-portfolio-step-inside.html

cam_girls · 08-18-2009, 01:17 AM

thanks, a million dollars! What's the breakdown of that I wonder. For $100K you could pay camgirls $10 per hour to stay online, $1000 per day for 4 models online would last 3 months. Traffic would be another problem. Lucky there's white label out there for all the start ups.

And don't quote me and just post a laugh smiley I'm just chatting

Jack Sparrow · 08-18-2009, 02:31 AM

You want 4 models online 24/7?

This is getting weirder and weirder.

cam_girls · 08-18-2009, 02:52 AM

should stop most of the traffic bouncing. some sites only have a few models online and fill the page with offline models, looks ok

John Marco · 08-18-2009, 03:55 AM

didn't bother reading past page 3

We will buy your domain for $350k if you want to get your money back -- email webmaster [at] webcams.com if you are interested in selling it

Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality.

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc.

People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites.

Jack Sparrow · 08-18-2009, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Marco

didn't bother reading past page 3

We will buy your domain for $350k if you want to get your money back -- email webmaster [at] webcams.com if you are interested in selling it

Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality.

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc.

People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites.

Amen, take this guys offer before they decide not to buy it.
Dont take it, and you will be a lot of k's poorer.

papill0n · 08-18-2009, 04:33 AM

actual cam site owner

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Marco

didn't bother reading past page 3

We will buy your domain for $350k if you want to get your money back -- email webmaster [at] webcams.com if you are interested in selling it

Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality.

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc.

People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites.

virtual cam site owner

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

thanks, a million dollars! What's the breakdown of that I wonder. For $100K you could pay camgirls $10 per hour to stay online, $1000 per day for 4 models online would last 3 months. Traffic would be another problem. Lucky there's white label out there for all the start ups.

cam_girls · 08-18-2009, 06:19 AM

According to the AFF IPO statement, Cams.com profit in 2007 was 32 million.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...390/i10357.htm
Gross profit: (in thousands)
Streamray 32,683

Thanks for your offer, if you can offer 2% of revenue with the deal then I would be interested. Daniel knows how to contact me, cheers.

ShellyCrash · 08-18-2009, 06:20 AM

Dude, you have not one, but 2 offers to get your money back. Take one.

ShellyCrash · 08-18-2009, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

According to the AFF IPO statement, Cams.com profit in 2007 was 32 million.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...390/i10357.htm
Gross profit: (in thousands)
Streamray 32,683

Thanks for your offer, if you can offer 2% of revenue with the deal then I would be interested. Daniel knows how to contact me, cheers.

Just because you bought a hamburger stand doesn't mean you can compare yourself to Mc Donalds.

SZNY · 08-18-2009, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Marco

didn't bother reading past page 3

We will buy your domain for $350k if you want to get your money back -- email webmaster [at] webcams.com if you are interested in selling it

Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality.

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc.

People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites.

He is totally right, I can confirm this from my own experiences running a live video chat platform.

You have a good domain name but the way you think/mastermind to make money with it is a bit out of range.

lazycash · 08-18-2009, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Marco

didn't bother reading past page 3

We will buy your domain for $350k if you want to get your money back -- email webmaster [at] webcams.com if you are interested in selling it

Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality.

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc.

People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites.

Thank you, he's been spouting his own numbers, glad somebody with a site finally set him straight.

Jim_Gunn · 08-18-2009, 09:33 AM

This thread is sadder than AlphaSky's Apple Twins. Cam_girls should be jumping at one of the offers to get his money back on that domain since he has no clue what to do with it. Unless he has another few hundred grand to spend develop the domain and a program and learn quickly as he does it.

will76 · 08-18-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

This thread is sadder than AlphaSky's Apple Twins. Cam_girls should be jumping at one of the offers to get his money back on that domain since he has no clue what to do with it. Unless he has another few hundred grand to spend develop the domain and a program and learn quickly as he does it.

My advice (TO HIM because of the way he acts) would be to put a white label on it and forget you own it, just collect the checks each month. I am not sure how much it truely makes him a month but even if it took 15 - 20 years to get back his (errr his Daddy's) 350K he would be better off than selling it and blowing the cash on shit. The domain should go up in value over time as well.

LeRoy · 08-18-2009, 03:07 PM

DTI can turn that domain into a goldmine.

but your'e an idiot so it will never happen.

AaliyahLove · 08-18-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

thanks, a million dollars! What's the breakdown of that I wonder. For $100K you could pay camgirls $10 per hour to stay online, $1000 per day for 4 models online would last 3 months. Traffic would be another problem. Lucky there's white label out there for all the start ups.

And don't quote me and just post a laugh smiley I'm just chatting

I don't know any cam girl that would work for $10 an hour.. $10 a minute maybe! And you assume these girls are dependable and will work a set schedule.. I have girls that will work 40 hours one week then disappear for the next two weeks.. I have girls that are happy working 5 hours a week no matter how much they make..they work when they want and $10 a day def isn't going to keep them on your system.
Also, when the girls log in and find out you have no traffic and a rinky dink set up, what is going to keep them from contacting people like me and switching over to Streamates (for example)

Seems like everyone in this thread, people who have been working the cam biz since it STARTED, are all trying to give you advice, and all you are doing is telling them to fuck off and that you know better than them, with 0 experience to back you up. Just a URL.. why are you so cocky? why do you think you know better than these guys? And how far do you think you are going to go now that you have alienated and insulted every person you will prob be turning to for advice and help down the road?

dav3 · 08-18-2009, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

My advice (TO HIM because of the way he acts) would be to put a white label on it and forget you own it, just collect the checks each month. I am not sure how much it truely makes him a month but even if it took 15 - 20 years to get back his (errr his Daddy's) 350K he would be better off than selling it and blowing the cash on shit. The domain should go up in value over time as well.

set it and forget it!

bbobby86 · 08-18-2009, 03:19 PM

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

nice and relax...

lazycash · 08-18-2009, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

My advice (TO HIM because of the way he acts) would be to put a white label on it and forget you own it, just collect the checks each month. I am not sure how much it truely makes him a month but even if it took 15 - 20 years to get back his (errr his Daddy's) 350K he would be better off than selling it and blowing the cash on shit. The domain should go up in value over time as well.

I agree with putting a white label, but its not making much with the little type in traffic he gets. He'll have to figure out how to send it traffic and make a return on it, something he doesn't seem to have much knowledge about. He had to borrow the last 50k to buy the domain, so I think his problem is that whomever loaned it to him is probably expecting a return on it and wouldn't be happy with just breaking even.

cam_girls · 08-18-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AaliyahLove

I don't know any cam girl that would work for $10 an hour.. $10 a minute maybe! And you assume these girls are dependable and will work a set schedule.. I have girls that will work 40 hours one week then disappear for the next two weeks.. I have girls that are happy working 5 hours a week no matter how much they make..they work when they want and $10 a day def isn't going to keep them on your system.
Also, when the girls log in and find out you have no traffic and a rinky dink set up, what is going to keep them from contacting people like me and switching over to Streamates (for example)

Seems like everyone in this thread, people who have been working the cam biz since it STARTED, are all trying to give you advice, and all you are doing is telling them to fuck off and that you know better than them, with 0 experience to back you up. Just a URL.. why are you so cocky? why do you think you know better than these guys? And how far do you think you are going to go now that you have alienated and insulted every person you will prob be turning to for advice and help down the road?

It's $10 an hour just for occasional free chat, they wouldn't have to be performing all day just ready to. Some sites offer $2/hour incentive to stay online. They also get the private money.

Why are you justifying a huge gang attack on me and turning it around, with everyone slagging me off and most of the advice is just I can't make it. What are you all objecting to, you just all make up this big generalisation every post.

You can be a newbie around here, but if you're a newbie with a better domain than everyone you're shark bait.

Quote:

DTI can turn that domain into a goldmine.

Just send me an email and work out the % and I'll set the DNS to your servers, idiot proof!

sales AT camgirls DOT com

lazycash · 08-18-2009, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

You can be a newbie around here, but if you're a newbie who thinks they already know more than those who've been doing it for a decade, you're gonna catch a lot of grief.

I fixed it for you.

Sam Ozborn · 08-18-2009, 06:38 PM

i guess you had all this numbers in your mind paying 350k for generic terms 2 words blanc domain and what ass you take them out of?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

What do you think of camgirlslive.com? Most of us wouldn't pay $50 for the domain
but it's alexa is 15,000, 14,000 uniques a day according to estibot, probably makes
$1M to $2M a year.

alexa 15000 is about 80k in traffic not 14k

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

100 camgirls X 1/3 workload X $5/min X 50% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days
= $43 million a year

so you counted every girl to make private shows 8 hours a day? half hour a day for an average girl on big 100+ camgirls sites must be a big news for you, so here your formula fixed
100 camgirls X 1/48(1/24) workload X $3/min X 20% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days= $657000(1.314m) a year

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

1,500 hits is about $700 a day for an affiliate.

id say 1.5k hits is about 30 bucks a day in a good day

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

But cam traffic pays well, so 10,000 hits a day would pay for the domain
in a few months.

10k/day wont even cover the opearation costs

your constant postings here made you look like a clown so if you ever come up with something real people will take it like a joke

papill0n · 08-18-2009, 06:49 PM

this guy is too much

MediaGuy · 08-18-2009, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

It's $10 an hour just for occasional free chat, they wouldn't have to be performing all day just ready to. Some sites offer $2/hour incentive to stay online. They also get the private money.

Why are you justifying a huge gang attack on me and turning it around, with everyone slagging me off and most of the advice is just I can't make it. What are you all objecting to, you just all make up this big generalisation every post.

You can be a newbie around here, but if you're a newbie with a better domain than everyone you're shark bait.

Just send me an email and work out the % and I'll set the DNS to your servers, idiot proof!

sales AT camgirls DOT com

I can't believe this thread is still going.

If you don't take him up on it, and go with us, I'l PERSONALLY guide you through the process. Your money, your profit, your girls, everything.

I won't start charging you for six months if you listen to our advice and make business/traffic/model sense.

Make a choice, make a decision, call me tonight: 1-866-892-5122

Let's kill this thread and start another where you keep people up to date on your progress with this domain!!

:D

AaliyahLove · 08-18-2009, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

It's $10 an hour just for occasional free chat, they wouldn't have to be performing all day just ready to. Some sites offer $2/hour incentive to stay online. They also get the private money.

Why are you justifying a huge gang attack on me and turning it around, with everyone slagging me off and most of the advice is just I can't make it. What are you all objecting to, you just all make up this big generalisation every post.

You can be a newbie around here, but if you're a newbie with a better domain than everyone you're shark bait.

Just send me an email and work out the % and I'll set the DNS to your servers, idiot proof!

sales AT camgirls DOT com

I am telling you the girls will work when they want, and there's no incentive you can give them to make them work a set # of hours. So you can't count on any of your figures.. I have been a cam girl for 5 years and have been managing girls for 3..

I wasn't justifying a gang attack, I was asking you why you don't take people's advice and insult everyone who has tried to help you here. This thread has brought out tons of heavy hitters in the cam industry, people who have been doing this for so long and have the knowledge you are going to need if you want to succeed.. Even to me it is obvious your figures are wrong and you could def use some guidance and help, but instead you take the approach "fuck you, I know better than you" then spout more incorrect numbers. Why?

cam_girls · 08-18-2009, 07:39 PM

Who have I insulted who just offered advice?

I did take LazyCash advice and went with mtree? OK?

Check my post above, click the link to the Adult Friend Finder IPO data. Search "Gross Profit"

90% of the advice is it's not worth $350K. I disagree, I think it's going to be big, so stick that everyone! HAHA now don't go quoting me whinging he said this, he said that... it's all BS

cam_girls · 08-18-2009, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Ozborn

i guess you had all this numbers in your mind paying 350k for generic terms 2 words blanc domain and what ass you take them out of?

so you counted every girl to make private shows 8 hours a day? half hour a day for an average girl on big 100+ camgirls sites must be a big news for you, so here your formula fixed
100 camgirls X 1/48(1/24) workload X $3/min X 20% profit X 60 mins X 24 hours X 365 days= $657000(1.314m) a year

Congratulations on being the only person to post alternate figures. I just checked Cams.com and they have 306 models online and 232 free. That's 1/4 in private. Who would work all day for 30 mins * $1.50? Oh yeah I know, I'm just a hamburger stand don't mention big sites, deary me.

AaliyahLove · 08-18-2009, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

Who have I insulted who just offered advice?

I did take LazyCash advice and went with mtree? OK?

Check my post above, click the link to the Adult Friend Finder IPO data. Search "Gross Profit"

90% of the advice is it's not worth $350K. I disagree, I think it's going to be big, so stick that everyone! HAHA now don't go quoting me whinging he said this, he said that... it's all BS

wurd. Well good luck!

PornMD · 08-18-2009, 09:05 PM

So this thread's gone on for over 2 months...how much have you made in that time sir? "This is going to be big" is just about what 100% of startups say about their business, and how many startups do you think fail? Heck, how many of them fail to even put together a plan let alone get anything started let alone make $$$?

I don't think people would be getting pissy with you if you were actually proving you know what you're doing and talking about. After all, even if every camsite owner has responded saying your figures were bogus, if you actually went through the motions, put it all together, and proved everyone wrong, you'd come out like a genius. What are you waiting for?

The value of the domain undeveloped IS under $350k...I don't see how you can think otherwise. Develop it to the #s you're talking about however and all of a sudden it's probably worth considerably more than $350k and was well worth the purchase. Getting snippy with everyone here, especially those who actually run camsites who are trying to offer you friendly advice isn't getting your shit done.

Intrinsic · 08-18-2009, 09:19 PM

Good luck.. you seem to be persistent in this, if anything I'd stay away from the drama and start making some deals.

Sam Ozborn · 08-18-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

Congratulations on being the only person to post alternate figures. I just checked Cams.com and they have 306 models online and 232 free. That's 1/4 in private. Who would work all day for 30 mins * $1.50? Oh yeah I know, I'm just a hamburger stand don't mention big sites, deary me.

$45 is a real money for ukrainian girls and even more for thais'. actualy half hour a day is what my friend told me she use to make on livejasmin couple years ago. im not that much into cams business yet though. and your numbers from cams is about to be right, are you sure those 1/4 girls are actually doing private shows and not just waiting for it being nude and ready for it? anyway even if they do private your formula lack of 1/4 component so it would be around $10mil not $40mil a year, right?

PXN · 08-18-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dav3

set it and forget it!

Mark_E4A · 08-18-2009, 09:59 PM

If you are serious about this and are not selling it, you are going to need to start bring in tons of targeted traffic to get where you need to be.

If you are ready to invest more into the sites traffic hit me up on icq and we can talk about getting you all the page 1 ranks in google you need.

Sam Ozborn · 08-18-2009, 10:06 PM

from what i can see right now girls' profiles who being taken into private are still in free chat area, the only difference is that system ask to add funds instead of loading chat with them. so those 1/4 nude girls are most likely just opted-in for nude chats only so freebies wont bother them and they wait for their private in pretty same line as free chat girls and how big are those private sessions? hour a day still would be my max bet, so its 1.3mil/year. would like to hear more optimistic figures from insiders though

ShellyCrash · 08-18-2009, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

Congratulations on being the only person to post alternate figures. I just checked Cams.com and they have 306 models online and 232 free. That's 1/4 in private. Who would work all day for 30 mins * $1.50? Oh yeah I know, I'm just a hamburger stand don't mention big sites, deary me.

Did you totally skip over John Marco's post?

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Marco

Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality.

Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio

Models -- 35 to 40%

Affiliates -- 25 to 30%

So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc.

People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites.

Where are you??? I figured the Mickey D's reference might put things in perspective, guess not. I'm sorry, but guestimations of your potential for profit based on a 2 year old IPO of a company that took years and years to build are fantasy land follie, and not to knock anyone's dick in the dirt, but have you been paying attention to where that stands lately?

Let's recap- What you have right now is a domain. You don't have the $$ to invest in building out proprietary software and you don't have the skill to build it yourself. You don't have any talent signed on and you don't seem to have any talent management experience. You also need traffic to generate revenue, and you don't have enough marketing experience to build traffic on your own either. So at the end of the day, with no funds to get you started and no working knowledge of how a cam program is run, you're basically squatting on a domain.

Right now it's like you're sitting at the table with only an ace in your hand putting it all on the line counting on the 4 cards you need to get a royal flush falling in your lap.

A strong domain only has potential when in the hands of a capable person and you have no business plan.

Going back to the card reference and you with your Ace.... If I've got a K, Q, J, 10 what makes me need YOUR ace? There are other aces in the deck, or I can get my straight by getting a 9... Maybe I'll make my own luck.

What I'm trying to get at is you have one component, to make a business work you need alot more than just a domain, and as you have seen with successes such as livejasmine, it's not always necessary. And although you have a strong domain, it's not a one word domain, it's not as strong as cams.com, or webcams.com. Someone else could easily go out on their own and negotiate the purchase of an equally as strong domain and not have to pay a dead weight partner out a percentage of the earnings over an indefinite period of time.

Just a few domains that are currently for sale-

mycam.com
youcam.com
partycam.com
webcamcentral.com
camcast.com
camhub.com
fetishcam.com
etc..

Let's take camdivas.com for example... it may not be as strong as camgirls.com, but it only costs around $2,000. The money saved can go into infrastructure and marketing, and the business is on it's way. Pull everything off and get a better domain down the road. End of story.

I can't imagine making a $350k investment and having no clear plan of how I was going to go about getting my return. You put the cart WAY in front of the horse.

Even with where you are now, you are fortunate enough that you can still get out. At least 2 program owners have publically expressed interest in picking up the domain at cost, maybe you can raise the price a little and get a tiny profit- but don't get greedy about it.

OR you can eat a slice of humble pie, join a nice revshare program, learn about traffic generation, and build your business from the ground up. Maybe you can bring in enough to pay off your loan / investor as well as start putting aside $$ to eventually start to build your own program.

will76 · 08-18-2009, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

You can be a newbie around here, but if you're a newbie with a better domain than everyone you're shark bait.

this is too funny. yep that is what it comes down to. We are all envious of your domain. Never mind "webams.com" chimmed it and basically called you an idiot.

Since you know it all so good, and we are just giving you a hard time because your domain is better than ours, prove us wrong. Go start your own cam site, you have it all figured out. Go make your 42 million a year. Please, the sooner you try the sooner you fail and this nonesense thread will be over with.

Seriously everyone here trying to help at this point, lets just blow smoke up his ass and tell him how awesome he is, he will surely make millions, all you need is a good domain name and a calculator to run numbers and you can make millions. We support you, you can do it!

will76 · 08-18-2009, 10:41 PM

Although it is kind of funny to see all of the nice people who pop in and try to offer advice, it usually goes like " ok he is missing it let me try to help". " hmmm ok you really missing it no, no, no you can't do it that way" " dude you really don't get it do you" " whatever sounds like you don't want to listen to anyone else" " fuck it I am done with this guy he is an idiot".... that has happened to about 10+ people in this thread that popped in at various points to try to help, myself as one of them

lazycash · 08-18-2009, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Did you totally skip over John Marco's post?

Where are you??? I figured the Mickey D's reference might put things in perspective, guess not. I'm sorry, but guestimations of your potential for profit based on a 2 year old IPO of a company that took years and years to build are fantasy land follie, and not to knock anyone's dick in the dirt, but have you been paying attention to where that stands lately?

Let's recap- What you have right now is a domain. You don't have the $$ to invest in building out proprietary software and you don't have the skill to build it yourself. You don't have any talent signed on and you don't seem to have any talent management experience. You also need traffic to generate revenue, and you don't have enough marketing experience to build traffic on your own either. So at the end of the day, with no funds to get you started and no working knowledge of how a cam program is run, you're basically squatting on a domain.

Right now it's like you're sitting at the table with only an ace in your hand putting it all on the line counting on the 4 cards you need to get a royal flush falling in your lap.

A strong domain only has potential when in the hands of a capable person and you have no business plan.

Going back to the card reference and you with your Ace.... If I've got a K, Q, J, 10 what makes me need YOUR ace? There are other aces in the deck, or I can get my straight by getting a 9... Maybe I'll make my own luck.

What I'm trying to get at is you have one component, to make a business work you need alot more than just a domain, and as you have seen with successes such as livejasmine, it's not always necessary. And although you have a strong domain, it's not a one word domain, it's not as strong as cams.com, or webcams.com. Someone else could easily go out on their own and negotiate the purchase of an equally as strong domain and not have to pay a dead weight partner out a percentage of the earnings over an indefinite period of time.

Just a few domains that are currently for sale-

mycam.com
youcam.com
partycam.com
webcamcentral.com
camcast.com
camhub.com
fetishcam.com
etc..

Let's take camdivas.com for example... it may not be as strong as camgirls.com, but it only costs around $2,000. The money saved can go into infrastructure and marketing, and the business is on it's way. Pull everything off and get a better domain down the road. End of story.

I can't imagine making a $350k investment and having no clear plan of how I was going to go about getting my return. You put the cart WAY in front of the horse.

Even with where you are now, you are fortunate enough that you can still get out. At least 2 program owners have publically expressed interest in picking up the domain at cost, maybe you can raise the price a little and get a tiny profit- but don't get greedy about it.

OR you can eat a slice of humble pie, join a nice revshare program, learn about traffic generation, and build your business from the ground up. Maybe you can bring in enough to pay off your loan / investor as well as start putting aside $$ to eventually start to build your own program.

Excellent post, too bad I think its going to fall on deaf ears.

CYF · 08-18-2009, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Did you totally skip over John Marco's post?

Where are you??? I figured the Mickey D's reference might put things in perspective, guess not. I'm sorry, but guestimations of your potential for profit based on a 2 year old IPO of a company that took years and years to build are fantasy land follie, and not to knock anyone's dick in the dirt, but have you been paying attention to where that stands lately?

Let's recap- What you have right now is a domain. You don't have the $$ to invest in building out proprietary software and you don't have the skill to build it yourself. You don't have any talent signed on and you don't seem to have any talent management experience. You also need traffic to generate revenue, and you don't have enough marketing experience to build traffic on your own either. So at the end of the day, with no funds to get you started and no working knowledge of how a cam program is run, you're basically squatting on a domain.

Right now it's like you're sitting at the table with only an ace in your hand putting it all on the line counting on the 4 cards you need to get a royal flush falling in your lap.

A strong domain only has potential when in the hands of a capable person and you have no business plan.

Going back to the card reference and you with your Ace.... If I've got a K, Q, J, 10 what makes me need YOUR ace? There are other aces in the deck, or I can get my straight by getting a 9... Maybe I'll make my own luck.

What I'm trying to get at is you have one component, to make a business work you need alot more than just a domain, and as you have seen with successes such as livejasmine, it's not always necessary. And although you have a strong domain, it's not a one word domain, it's not as strong as cams.com, or webcams.com. Someone else could easily go out on their own and negotiate the purchase of an equally as strong domain and not have to pay a dead weight partner out a percentage of the earnings over an indefinite period of time.

Just a few domains that are currently for sale-

mycam.com
youcam.com
partycam.com
webcamcentral.com
camcast.com
camhub.com
fetishcam.com
etc..

Let's take camdivas.com for example... it may not be as strong as camgirls.com, but it only costs around $2,000. The money saved can go into infrastructure and marketing, and the business is on it's way. Pull everything off and get a better domain down the road. End of story.

I can't imagine making a $350k investment and having no clear plan of how I was going to go about getting my return. You put the cart WAY in front of the horse.

Even with where you are now, you are fortunate enough that you can still get out. At least 2 program owners have publically expressed interest in picking up the domain at cost, maybe you can raise the price a little and get a tiny profit- but don't get greedy about it.

OR you can eat a slice of humble pie, join a nice revshare program, learn about traffic generation, and build your business from the ground up. Maybe you can bring in enough to pay off your loan / investor as well as start putting aside $$ to eventually start to build your own program.

quoting some good insight

lazycash · 08-18-2009, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Ozborn

from what i can see right now girls' profiles who being taken into private are still in free chat area, the only difference is that system ask to add funds instead of loading chat with them. so those 1/4 nude girls are most likely just opted-in for nude chats only so freebies wont bother them and they wait for their private in pretty same line as free chat girls and how big are those private sessions? hour a day still would be my max bet, so its 1.3mil/year. would like to hear more optimistic figures from insiders though

Yep, he was incorrect in his assumption that the difference between total models and models free for chat meant the rest were in privates. Rather than 1/4, its actually closer to 1/20 in private as some just simply make themselves unavailable for free chat because they do privates only or have stepped away and made themselves temporarily unavailable.

cam_girls · 08-18-2009, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Let's recap- What you have right now is a domain. You don't have the $$ to invest in building out proprietary software and you don't have the skill to build it yourself. You don't have any talent signed on and you don't seem to have any talent management experience. You also need traffic to generate revenue, and you don't have enough marketing experience to build traffic on your own either. So at the end of the day, with no funds to get you started and no working knowledge of how a cam program is run, you're basically squatting on a domain.

Where did you come up with all these assumptions? HINT: I've been programming for 20 years. John only posted one percentage that isn't obvious on every cam site. And hot dog stands are perfect competition businesses, not relevant.

lazycash · 08-18-2009, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

Where did you come up with all these assumptions? HINT: I've been programming for 20 years. John only posted one percentage that isn't obvious on every cam site. And hot dog stands are perfect competition businesses, not relevant.

Everything she said was based on your posts in the threads regarding your domain, I don't see any assumptions. So are you busy programming the proprietary software for your cam site and affiliate program?

lazycash · 08-18-2009, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

Where did you come up with all these assumptions? HINT: I've been programming for 20 years. John only posted one percentage that isn't obvious on every cam site. And hot dog stands are perfect competition businesses, not relevant.

She didn't say you don't have any skill, she said you were unable to program yourself what is needed to start your cam project. Cause if you did have the skills to do it, you wouldn't have posted this http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/902728-looking-cam-script.html

cam_girls · 08-19-2009, 12:46 AM

A good programmer can program any specification given to him, you don't need to be a guru. What's so difficult about video? The sites have about 3 main pages. I programmed video conferencing software with black and white quickcams in 95, so I guess my experience predates all of you. I also made a $200 domain get 2000 uniques a day from Yahoo. I'm working on an affiliate site.

lazycash · 08-19-2009, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam_girls

A good programmer can program any specification given to him, you don't need to be a guru. What's so difficult about video? The sites have about 3 main pages. I programmed video conferencing software with black and white quickcams in 95, so I guess my experience predates all of you. I also made a $200 domain get 2000 uniques a day from Yahoo. I'm working on an affiliate site.

Great! So how close are you to having the site programmed?

08-17-2009, 11:22 PM	#356
lazycash Troll Patrol Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Local Socal Posts: 15,214	Why don't you read this thread and get some idea of all you need to do to get your own cam site going. http://www.gfy.com/it/922335-cam-companies-programs-looking-add-cam-site-portfolio-step-inside.html __________________ "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams.. Its crazy..." VenusBlogger

08-18-2009, 03:55 AM	#360
John Marco Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 912	didn't bother reading past page 3 We will buy your domain for $350k if you want to get your money back -- email webmaster [at] webcams.com if you are interested in selling it Your figures are SO wrong. They are not even close to reality. Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio Models -- 35 to 40% Affiliates -- 25 to 30% So, you have 18% to 30% left over to cover fraud staff, customer service staff, development, general administrative costs, and marketing costs. You will need a full time fraud team, and millions spent on software development to get a decent product that can compete with current sites, plus expert product managers, senior developers, etc. People who are saying it is easy are completely clueless. Webcams is the most complicated business in the adult marketplace, which is why there are only a few big sites. __________________ WEBCAMS.COM $42+ PPS or revshare ICQ: 476-111 Google Talk: Webcams.com Last edited by John Marco; 08-18-2009 at 03:56 AM..

08-18-2009, 06:20 AM	#364
ShellyCrash Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,708	Dude, you have not one, but 2 offers to get your money back. Take one. __________________ Start making money with the hottest hookup site! up to $55 PPS or up to 75% Revshare ICQ 196766477

08-18-2009, 09:33 AM	#368
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	This thread is sadder than AlphaSky's Apple Twins. Cam_girls should be jumping at one of the offers to get his money back on that domain since he has no clue what to do with it. Unless he has another few hundred grand to spend develop the domain and a program and learn quickly as he does it. __________________ Jim Gunn Filming Cinematic Porn Skype JimGunnProductions

08-18-2009, 03:07 PM	#370
LeRoy Porn Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: It's a dry heat Posts: 13,334	DTI can turn that domain into a goldmine. but your'e an idiot so it will never happen. __________________ JAPANESE CAMS AND CONTENT SITES Skype - leroy.rowland2

08-17-2009, 06:42 AM	#351
cam_girls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,968	didn't mean to kick the soapbox out from under you

08-17-2009, 07:47 AM	#352
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	You didnt, people just give up on you because you keep acting like a 4yr old whos father bought him this 300k bike but you cant ride, and dont want to really hear anyone who can.

08-18-2009, 01:17 AM	#357
cam_girls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,968	thanks, a million dollars! What's the breakdown of that I wonder. For $100K you could pay camgirls $10 per hour to stay online, $1000 per day for 4 models online would last 3 months. Traffic would be another problem. Lucky there's white label out there for all the start ups. And don't quote me and just post a laugh smiley I'm just chatting

08-18-2009, 02:31 AM	#358
Jack Sparrow Almost goners.. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 11,420	You want 4 models online 24/7? This is getting weirder and weirder.

08-18-2009, 02:52 AM	#359
cam_girls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,968	should stop most of the traffic bouncing. some sites only have a few models online and fill the page with offline models, looks ok

08-18-2009, 06:19 AM	#363
cam_girls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,968	According to the AFF IPO statement, Cams.com profit in 2007 was 32 million. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...390/i10357.htm Gross profit: (in thousands) Streamray 32,683 Thanks for your offer, if you can offer 2% of revenue with the deal then I would be interested. Daniel knows how to contact me, cheers.

08-18-2009, 03:19 PM	#373
bbobby86 partners.sexier.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 11,926	Processing -- 10 to 12%, even with merchant account -- you don't get a better deal than this until you have a lot of volume. You could use a US based merchant account and save 3% of this, but then you have to deal with a 1% visa cb ratio Models -- 35 to 40% Affiliates -- 25 to 30% nice and relax... __________________

08-18-2009, 06:49 PM	#378
papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	this guy is too much

08-18-2009, 07:39 PM	#381
cam_girls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,968	Who have I insulted who just offered advice? I did take LazyCash advice and went with mtree? OK? Check my post above, click the link to the Adult Friend Finder IPO data. Search "Gross Profit" 90% of the advice is it's not worth $350K. I disagree, I think it's going to be big, so stick that everyone! HAHA now don't go quoting me whinging he said this, he said that... it's all BS

08-18-2009, 09:05 PM	#384
PornMD Mainstream Businessman Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 9,291	So this thread's gone on for over 2 months...how much have you made in that time sir? "This is going to be big" is just about what 100% of startups say about their business, and how many startups do you think fail? Heck, how many of them fail to even put together a plan let alone get anything started let alone make $$$? I don't think people would be getting pissy with you if you were actually proving you know what you're doing and talking about. After all, even if every camsite owner has responded saying your figures were bogus, if you actually went through the motions, put it all together, and proved everyone wrong, you'd come out like a genius. What are you waiting for? The value of the domain undeveloped IS under $350k...I don't see how you can think otherwise. Develop it to the #s you're talking about however and all of a sudden it's probably worth considerably more than $350k and was well worth the purchase. Getting snippy with everyone here, especially those who actually run camsites who are trying to offer you friendly advice isn't getting your shit done. __________________ Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up. Last edited by PornMD; 08-18-2009 at 09:07 PM..

08-18-2009, 09:19 PM	#385
Intrinsic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,589	Good luck.. you seem to be persistent in this, if anything I'd stay away from the drama and start making some deals.

08-18-2009, 09:59 PM	#388
Mark_E4A Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: pornSEO.com - Toronto Posts: 1,514	If you are serious about this and are not selling it, you are going to need to start bring in tons of targeted traffic to get where you need to be. If you are ready to invest more into the sites traffic hit me up on icq and we can talk about getting you all the page 1 ranks in google you need. __________________ icq - 205700725 email - marke4a at gmail com phone - 416-809-4393

08-18-2009, 10:06 PM	#389
Sam Ozborn Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 73	from what i can see right now girls' profiles who being taken into private are still in free chat area, the only difference is that system ask to add funds instead of loading chat with them. so those 1/4 nude girls are most likely just opted-in for nude chats only so freebies wont bother them and they wait for their private in pretty same line as free chat girls and how big are those private sessions? hour a day still would be my max bet, so its 1.3mil/year. would like to hear more optimistic figures from insiders though Last edited by Sam Ozborn; 08-18-2009 at 10:08 PM..

08-18-2009, 10:41 PM	#392
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Although it is kind of funny to see all of the nice people who pop in and try to offer advice, it usually goes like " ok he is missing it let me try to help". " hmmm ok you really missing it no, no, no you can't do it that way" " dude you really don't get it do you" " whatever sounds like you don't want to listen to anyone else" " fuck it I am done with this guy he is an idiot".... that has happened to about 10+ people in this thread that popped in at various points to try to help, myself as one of them __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

08-19-2009, 12:46 AM	#399
cam_girls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,968	A good programmer can program any specification given to him, you don't need to be a guru. What's so difficult about video? The sites have about 3 main pages. I programmed video conferencing software with black and white quickcams in 95, so I guess my experience predates all of you. I also made a $200 domain get 2000 uniques a day from Yahoo. I'm working on an affiliate site.