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webmasterchecks · 07-26-2009, 11:25 AM

it takes a lot of heart to post something like that, great post steve

Iron Fist · 07-26-2009, 11:29 AM

Two Hunnred and ONE

18teens · 07-26-2009, 11:55 AM

Excellent post Steve.

San · 07-26-2009, 12:36 PM

Apology accepted.

gideongallery · 07-26-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

The adult industry is in trouble. We have all been affected by the global recession, new credit card rules, and the general lack of consumer confidence. Many of us look for someone to blame besides ourselves. After all, we WERE making money, and WE didn?t change anything, so it must be someone else?s fault, right? Tube sites and aggressive billing practices are obvious and easy targets, but I think we need to look again at ourselves.

In 1999, it felt like everyone and everything was new. Even though no one knew each other, and the best ways to earn money online were still undefined, we were all willing to meet and work together to figure it out. No one knew from where the next great idea was going to come. A handful of pioneers were leading the way, and the rest of us took notes when they spoke. The industry was young and hungry, and mostly HUMBLE.

But then the worst thing happened. We all started making lots of money. Along came lavish parties, and the ?Industry RockStars? were created. Immediately, the industry divided into two camps. The ?Haves? and the ?Wants?. The ?Haves? became less humble, and the ?Wants? were not welcome anymore. Parties and conventions became exclusive and invite-only. The ?Haves? power grew while the ?Wants? were left out. But the industry stopped growing because the people with new ideas were effectively shut out.

Along the way, the ?Haves? tried to work together, but clashing egos and poor business skills doomed many of their projects to failure. Eventually, petty bickering forced everyone apart, and the industry started sliding.

Now, the ?Haves? are finding with the poor economy, and lack of new ideas, their businesses are actually shrinking. But how can they go back? Many of the ?Wants? with innovative ideas are now resentful, and unwilling to share. And the RockStars of the past find it difficult to let go of their egos.

So I say the circle is broken, and the only way to fix it is for everyone to change. Let go of resentment and petty disagreements and start working together again. All of us. Most of all, we need to learn from our own history and avoid making the same mistakes.

I want to be the first to start. I want to apologize to everyone. Events in my life have reminded me where I came from. Some of you will laugh at me, or revel in my misfortune, but I?m going to learn from my mistakes and be humble again. I?m ready to let my ego go, stop acting like a RockStar, and return to taking notes when people speak. I'm ready to listen and learn, and party like it's 1999.

Steve Lightspeed

does this mean your tube killer idea is dead
or is this words, with no real meaning.

jscott · 07-26-2009, 02:47 PM

Very nice, Steve you've never been a cocky asshole even tho 99.9% of successful people in your situation are, that earns a TON of plus points, I'm proud to say "Lightspeed, Steve, is a friend of mine"
/end mushyness

SteveLightspeed · 07-26-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

does this mean your tube killer idea is dead
or is this words, with no real meaning.

If you were actually part of this industry you might understand what I'm talking about. Instead, you seem to delight in beating the ant's nest with a stick, just to watch everyone get upset.

Truth be told, you are the main reason I left GFY in the first place. You don't want anyone to succeed. You seem to delight in misery. So I feel sorry for you.

No, my new idea is not dead. It may actually benefit people like you, although that would not be by my choice.

I've asked you before to stay out of my threads, and I'll stay out of yours. Please reconsider that proposition, and get out of my life forever.

Odie · 07-26-2009, 02:56 PM

amazing that you posted this... you were one of the first people who I learned to look up to from my very first show and your hospitality and friendship is refreshing. xoxo

_andy_ · 07-26-2009, 03:46 PM

Any person with a minimum amount of internet savvy knows many easy ways to get their porn for free, whether its off of tubes, or filesharing sites, or p2p networks. The knowledge of how to get free porn cements itself in the collective mindset of the world more and more every day. Reversing this trend is really a Herculean task and the person who said that it will only happen with laws being passed seems to be right. I don't know how else you change public conciousness; correcting the widespread opinion that they will never have to pay for porn. But if any positive change is to happen it starts with honest threads like this and people banding together and sharing ideas.

gideongallery · 07-26-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

If you were actually part of this industry you might understand what I'm talking about. Instead, you seem to delight in beating the ant's nest with a stick, just to watch everyone get upset.

Truth be told, you are the main reason I left GFY in the first place. You don't want anyone to succeed. You seem to delight in misery. So I feel sorry for you.

No, my new idea is not dead. It may actually benefit people like you, although that would not be by my choice.

I've asked you before to stay out of my threads, and I'll stay out of yours. Please reconsider that proposition, and get out of my life forever.

steve if i didn't want people to succeed i wouldn't have been telling you how to deal with tube traffic

do watermarking like the baseline testing we did and you can get 212% more type ins

do branding bugs right and you can turn those type in into search engine quality hits

do live intergration properly and conversions go back to levels they were befor the tube sites

do private trackers properly and you can increase retention, and keep your content locked down for free.

do product placement properly you could double or triple your production output.

only 2 of those 5 are innovative (something everyone including mainstream is doing wrong)

it possible to turn this "piracy" into the biggest money maker since the vcr

rockstars like you just don't listen.

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Now, the ?Haves? are finding with the poor economy, and lack of new ideas, their businesses are actually shrinking. But how can they go back? Many of the ?Wants? with innovative ideas are now resentful, and unwilling to share. And the RockStars of the past find it difficult to let go of their egos.

interesting how you still will not listen even though you made this claim.

SteveLightspeed · 07-26-2009, 08:21 PM

No good deed goes unpunished
No act of charity goes unresented
No good deed goes unpunished

That's my new creed
My road of good intentions
Led where such roads always lead
No good deed goes unpunished!

One question haunts and hurts
Too much, too much to mention:
Was I really seeking good
Or just seeking attention?

Is that all good deeds are
When looked at with an ice-cold eye?
If that's all good deeds are
Maybe that's the reason why

No good deed goes unpunished!

gideongallery · 07-26-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

No good deed goes unpunished
No act of charity goes unresented
No good deed goes unpunished

That's my new creed
My road of good intentions
Led where such roads always lead
No good deed goes unpunished!

One question haunts and hurts
Too much, too much to mention:
Was I really seeking good
Or just seeking attention?

Is that all good deeds are
When looked at with an ice-cold eye?
If that's all good deeds are
Maybe that's the reason why

No good deed goes unpunished!

the road to hell is paved with good intentions

Ava Knight · 07-26-2009, 08:52 PM

Steve, I see you more as Fiyero than Elphaba

SteveLightspeed · 07-26-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ava Knight

Steve, I see you more as Fiyero than Elphaba

Wow, quit showing off your smarts! I didn't think anyone would get that obscure reference.

Shap · 07-26-2009, 09:15 PM

Steve I think one of your biggest enemies is your ego. You let a little thread that exposed your drop in affiliate generated revenue drag you back here and you've been posting ever since trying to reestablish some sort of I'm not sure what. I don't know man it's really painful watching you these past few weeks.

07-26-2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ava Knight

Steve, I see you more as Fiyero than Elphaba

Is that Miranda Kerr in your avatar?

SteveLightspeed · 07-26-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Steve I think one of your biggest enemies is your ego. You let a little thread that exposed your drop in affiliate generated revenue drag you back here and you've been posting ever since trying to reestablish some sort of I'm not sure what. I don't know man it's really painful watching you these past few weeks.

I'm just trying to make a living. I'm sorry if I'm not living up to your expectations. I'm not sure why you have an odd competition thing going with me.

SteveLightspeed · 07-26-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Steve I think one of your biggest enemies is your ego. You let a little thread that exposed your drop in affiliate generated revenue drag you back here and you've been posting ever since trying to reestablish some sort of I'm not sure what. I don't know man it's really painful watching you these past few weeks.

It was actually Corvette's "Happy Birthday" thread, and all the kind wishes, that made me decide to come back. fyi

07-26-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Steve I think one of your biggest enemies is your ego. You let a little thread that exposed your drop in affiliate generated revenue drag you back here and you've been posting ever since trying to reestablish some sort of I'm not sure what. I don't know man it's really painful watching you these past few weeks.

Geez Shap that is mean. He said he was sorry and made a great thread. A majority of the people on here are not man enough to apologize for their behavior. If he wants to post on here that is his business. I think he is right that people in adult need to come together. It is so dumb that we all waste time trying to tear each other down. I do not see this thread as painful. I see it as honest and frankly there is not enough of that in the adult industry.

Shap · 07-27-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I'm just trying to make a living. I'm sorry if I'm not living up to your expectations. I'm not sure why you have an odd competition thing going with me.

I'm just returning the favor

gideongallery · 07-27-2009, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I'm just trying to make a living. I'm sorry if I'm not living up to your expectations. I'm not sure why you have an odd competition thing going with me.

did you start that fight by going after shap and twisty's for "supporting" tube sites.
why is it so hard to understand that you created this "odd competition thing"

SteveLightspeed · 07-27-2009, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

did you start that fight by going after shap and twisty's for "supporting" tube sites.
why is it so hard to understand that you created this "odd competition thing"

I've never said anything about Shap or his business practices. Until recently, I thought we were friendly toward each other.

You, on the other hand, live to taunt me, and its getting pretty old.

Shap · 07-27-2009, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I've never said anything about Shap or his business practices. Until recently, I thought we were friendly toward each other.

My bad. GFY has made me overly sensitive over the past year

SteveLightspeed · 07-27-2009, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

My bad. GFY has made me overly sensitive over the past year

problem solved.

gideongallery · 07-27-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I've never said anything about Shap or his business practices. Until recently, I thought we were friendly toward each other.

You, on the other hand, live to taunt me, and its getting pretty old.

you love it admit it

seriously i am a nashian game theorist
i am quick to forgive quick to retaliate
basic game theory
look back on every negative exchange we have ever had it only got nasty AFTER you started with your bullshit (stalker, theif, etc)

if you listened instead of attacked you have less enemies, learn something and make a lot more money.

Ava Knight · 07-27-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Wow, quit showing off your smarts! I didn't think anyone would get that obscure reference.

Hehe... that soundtrack got me through my entire freshman year, I think I've listened to it arooound 100 times. Actually, I went to the alma mater of one of the original cast, which is cool

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Originally Posted by JaneB

Is that Miranda Kerr in your avatar?

Wow, really good eye! She's my latest VS crush, her face is too cute

She reminds a lot of Jordan Capri now that I look at her... if only...

kristin · 07-27-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I hope this will be a new trend on GFY. Threads with no bickering.

That'll make GFY a little boring then. LOL.

I do agree that the companies need to start working together again. Remember all the trades that use to happen, when companies looked out for each other and generated sales to their competition ... don't see that much anymore.

If any company wants to do some biz together, TopBucks is always open to hear it and reciprocate.

NY Jester · 07-27-2009, 09:00 AM

I think Steve is right. Instead of trying to make changes on the fly, and recreating the wheel, I think sometimes the best way to revamp something is to take a step back from it, re-access the situation and then jump back in with a new approach. Hope that works out for any and all who are willing.

Webmistress - Doreen · 07-27-2009, 09:28 AM

nice post. very well said.

davecummings · 07-27-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by B O B

Steve, I love you like a brother, and you have always been there for me...Im lucky to consider you one of my closest friends...

Both Steve and Bob are ultimate Top-Notch gentlemen, and always have been. We need more people like them!!

davecummings · 07-27-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by B O B

Steve, I love you like a brother, and you have always been there for me...Im lucky to consider you one of my closest friends...

Both Steve and Bob are ultimate Top-Notch gentlemen, and always have been. We need more people like them!!

Porn Mickey · 07-27-2009, 01:13 PM

Jim_Gunn · 07-27-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

steve if i didn't want people to succeed i wouldn't have been telling you how to deal with tube traffic

do watermarking like the baseline testing we did and you can get 212% more type ins

do branding bugs right and you can turn those type in into search engine quality hits

do live intergration properly and conversions go back to levels they were befor the tube sites

do private trackers properly and you can increase retention, and keep your content locked down for free.

do product placement properly you could double or triple your production output.

only 2 of those 5 are innovative (something everyone including mainstream is doing wrong)

it possible to turn this "piracy" into the biggest money maker since the vcr

Some of Gideon's points are obvious things that everyone or nearly everyone does already- watermarking the content for example. Branding bugs are the same thing as a watermark essentially, right? I wouldn't call that a separate thing. Having a live component is indeed a good idea if one can do it, although not everyone can make that happen.

However, product placement in adult is a non-starter. Who is going to pay for product placement in an internet porn video? And this private tracker idea that you seem to be obsessed with is something that no one know or cares about. How exactly is using a private tracker for a torrent of any use to make someone money? Gideon seems to keep harping on that idea, but I really don't see the application of it.

KillerK · 07-27-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin

That'll make GFY a little boring then. LOL.

I do agree that the companies need to start working together again. Remember all the trades that use to happen, when companies looked out for each other and generated sales to their competition ... don't see that much anymore.

If any company wants to do some biz together, TopBucks is always open to hear it and reciprocate.

The sites do work together, atleast some. Look at all the hidden x-sales that go on.

gideongallery · 07-27-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Some of Gideon's points are obvious things that everyone or nearly everyone does already- watermarking the content for example. Branding bugs are the same thing as a watermark essentially, right? I wouldn't call that a separate thing. Having a live component is indeed a good idea if one can do it, although not everyone can make that happen.

no one is doing watermarking right in this industry, everyone is using static watermarks. doing watermarks correctly is a lot more of science then just simply slapping your url on the video.

branding bugs is not the same thing as a watermark, it is closer to an info bug and that is significantly different.

if you can hire a girl to fuck on camera you can hire her to chat with the members after the scene airs for the first time. no one should have a problem adding a live component.

However no one is doing it correctly even when they have a live component to the site.

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However, product placement in adult is a non-starter. Who is going to pay for product placement in an internet porn video?

until you understand q-ratio and how to do a proper product placement, until you understand what makes a good product placement and a bad product placement.
if you don't know what you have to sell, no one is going to buy it.

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And this private tracker idea that you seem to be obsessed with is something that no one know or cares about. How exactly is using a private tracker for a torrent of any use to make someone money? Gideon seems to keep harping on that idea, but I really don't see the application of it.

setting up a private tracker is fulfulling the fair use right people have to use torrents for free. Once that fair use right is provided for fully, other trackers can't hide behind that fair use right.

if you can't see how getting rid of illegal copies can make you more money, there is nothing i can do for you.

07-27-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ava Knight

Hehe... that soundtrack got me through my entire freshman year, I think I've listened to it arooound 100 times. Actually, I went to the alma mater of one of the original cast, which is cool

Wow, really good eye! She's my latest VS crush, her face is too cute

She reminds a lot of Jordan Capri now that I look at her... if only...

Miranda Kerr is a hottie. I love her and Adriana Lima. She does kind of look like Jordan Capri.

TheDoc · 07-27-2009, 04:25 PM

Gideongallery, could you name someone doing correct product placement in adult?

Cause the biggest of the big, with skilled marketers that have done this before, failed doing product placement in our Industry.

People that have done it before, can not get it work in adult.

Not saying some people don't make money doing it, but you might as well open up clip sites if you want to do that much work for little money.

It's not worth the employee costs to find products that are willing to work in adult. And porn names/products in mainstream films is a fail too.

gideongallery · 07-27-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Gideongallery, could you name someone doing correct product placement in adult?

Cause the biggest of the big, with skilled marketers that have done this before, failed doing product placement in our Industry.

People that have done it before, can not get it work in adult.

Not saying some people don't make money doing it, but you might as well open up clip sites if you want to do that much work for little money.

It's not worth the employee costs to find products that are willing to work in adult. And porn names/products in mainstream films is a fail too.

no one has done product placement properly
but that because everyone is trying to run the iron man before they even learn to walk.

when you jump so far ahead of the cycle you are only going to get a fraction of the value.

that being said some people are getting free goods for their videos.

TheDoc · 07-27-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

no one has done product placement properly
but that because everyone is trying to run the iron man before they even learn to walk.

when you jump so far ahead of the cycle you are only going to get a fraction of the value.

that being said some people are getting free goods for their videos.

We're talking about massive experienced marketing people. Some that have done product placement for shows to movies. To many of the top marketers in the Industry, making hundreds of millions of year.. with enough money to toss at the wall until something sticks..

And you think, you have the answer?

I highly doubt it.. It doesn't work for one very very very simple factor. Porn isn't big enough, nobody is going to pay you what it's really worth, if they will give you the time of day.

Now the question is... have you ever tested this? What films?

KillerK · 07-27-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

We're talking about massive experienced marketing people. Some that have done product placement for shows to movies. To many of the top marketers in the Industry, making hundreds of millions of year.. with enough money to toss at the wall until something sticks..

And you think, you have the answer?

I highly doubt it.. It doesn't work for one very very very simple factor. Porn isn't big enough, nobody is going to pay you what it's really worth, if they will give you the time of day.

Now the question is... have you ever tested this? What films?

He knows it all... That's why he wastes so much time on here posting just like you. You both are really successful.

Hunter_ST · 07-27-2009, 05:26 PM

Great post, Steve. I don't post much and don't attend the trade shows, but I've watched your posts over the years and admire anyone who can stay in the business for the long haul.

Here's to future success...

Relentless · 07-27-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

no one has done product placement properly
but that because everyone is trying to run the iron man before they even learn to walk. when you jump so far ahead of the cycle you are only going to get a fraction of the value. that being said some people are getting free goods for their videos.

Taking what you say as a given....

The adult industry is apparently leaving millions (if not billions) of dollars on the table. You are not running your own sites and monetizing these ideas? I am confused. You know how to watermark videos 'correctly' and how to do product placement 'properly.' Everyone else is clueless so you have a huge lead on the rest of the industry.

Tell the truth, are you just holding yourself back because you want to stay humble?

Due · 07-27-2009, 05:35 PM

The product placement is that round black area under the pointing finger.

Use it well and your revenues will go up with 20%

ThumbLord · 07-27-2009, 05:44 PM

You've always been someone I've looked up to in this industry... but your statement means shit to me now, but heh good show.

gideongallery · 07-27-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Taking what you say as a given....

The adult industry is apparently leaving millions (if not billions) of dollars on the table. You are not running your own sites and monetizing these ideas? I am confused. You know how to watermark videos 'correctly' and how to do product placement 'properly.' Everyone else is clueless so you have a huge lead on the rest of the industry.

Tell the truth, are you just holding yourself back because you want to stay humble?

quite simple because i need to prove to a bunch of investors that adult videos would respond the same way as mainstream videos responded to those changes.

the base line test (the ones we did before we developed the innovative branding bugs stuff) was simple doing watermarking and product placement like it was done historically done in mainstream

. we used the q-ratio and tracked the viewer to response ratios, they are the same as mainstream.

on a point by point bases adult product placement work the same as mainstream
which is why i can say any one who claims that product placement doesn't work in porn just doesn't understand product placement.

using only whitelabels and custom domains you can do product placement right.
I know that was the test senerio we used.

TheDoc · 07-27-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

quite simple because i need to prove to a bunch of investors that adult videos would respond the same way as mainstream videos responded to those changes.

the base line test (the ones we did before we developed the innovative branding bugs stuff) was simple doing watermarking and product placement like it was done historically done in mainstream

. we used the q-ratio and tracked the viewer to response ratios, they are the same as mainstream.

on a point by point bases adult product placement work the same as mainstream
which is why i can say any one who claims that product placement doesn't work in porn just doesn't understand product placement.

using only whitelabels and custom domains you can do product placement right.
I know that was the test senerio we used.

Ohhh I understand it greatly. Eyeballs the porn industry doesn't have.

You are talking about our traffic going out, to another source, right? Even though we are paid for it, our traffic.. branded to someone else, moving our traffic again away from us?

Rather than bringing traffic into our Industry?

It has a flaw for a reason... you may want to fire your marketing person.

TheDoc · 07-27-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerK

He knows it all... That's why he wastes so much time on here posting just like you. You both are really successful.

Gideongallery is a smart cookie... like what he says or not, he knows what he is talking about more often than not.

He just happens to talk on a subject that gets peoples blood moving.

And thanks, I have worked damn hard to achieve my success at my age and how I have changed, it's crazy. I can't wait to see what another 10, 20, or 50 years in business will be like.

gideongallery · 07-27-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Ohhh I understand it greatly. Eyeballs the porn industry doesn't have.

http://www.tube8.com/anal/french-girl-anal/1007/

7,697,245 views

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Own_...ries)#Episodes

top rating 7.3 million viewers

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You are talking about our traffic going out, to another source, right? Even though we are paid for it, our traffic.. branded to someone else, moving our traffic again away from us?

Rather than bringing traffic into our Industry?

It has a flaw for a reason... you may want to fire your marketing person.

right like that not exactly the same problem that tv shows have right now when they choose to do product placement. they balance the content vs traffic line very well, nothing says a porn company can't do the exact same thing.

TheDoc · 07-27-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

http://www.tube8.com/anal/french-girl-anal/1007/

7,697,245 views

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Own_...ries)#Episodes

top rating 7.3 million viewers

That's 7.3 million that they can track in one series? And that's not raws views that's viewers. The tube8 video took 20 months to reach that many "raw" views, total.

And TV shows keep eye balls on the screen longer than the best porn every made. You can't guarantee someone will ever see a product placed in a porn flick, but you can put a % to the tv screen building up for the hype movement that you know everyone is watching.

I can't see a cut for Coke just before the guy dumps his load, or even something in the background, like a boat that nobody notices?

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

right like that not exactly the same problem that tv shows have right now when they choose to do product placement. they balance the content vs traffic line very well, nothing says a porn company can't do the exact same thing.

I understand what you are saying... it's another step on the money chain to add in, vod, ppv, hotels, stores, downloads, etc.. might as well do them all - IF YOU CAN.

But to take this direction, as a path to solve a problem is kind of crazy when I would bet most adult Companies have far more important things they could monetize or correct, that would make them more money in the long run.

gideongallery · 07-27-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

That's 7.3 million that they can track in one series? And that's not raws views that's viewers. The tube8 video took 20 months to reach that many "raw" views, total.

you don't get it
that one tube site
this video could/would have been submitted to dozens

vs national rating of a show across all the local affiliates that relayed programming.

second so what if it takes 20 months to get those viewership, product placement is a long term advertising solution

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And TV shows keep eye balls on the screen longer than the best porn every made. You can't guarantee someone will ever see a product placed in a porn flick, but you can put a % to the tv screen building up for the hype movement that you know everyone is watching.

again this comes down to not understanding q-ratio. I suggest you actually look at episode of mowe referenced download it and watch. count the number of minutes that that edwards sport car was featured in the entire 2 hours episode (1.5 hours without commercial)

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I can't see a cut for Coke just before the guy dumps his load, or even something in the background, like a boat that nobody notices?

getting coke to do a product placement in porn is like trying to sell tampons at a guys only gay bar. Get prodcut placements that are contextually relevent.

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I understand what you are saying... it's another step on the money chain to add in, vod, ppv, hotels, stores, downloads, etc.. might as well do them all - IF YOU CAN.

But to take this direction, as a path to solve a problem is kind of crazy when I would bet most adult Companies have far more important things they could monetize or correct, that would make them more money in the long run.

if you don't waste your time trying to get irrelevant placements. it not a waste. specifically because the views gotten when the content is pirated can count.

you make money when your video is "Stolen". You actually turn the problem into the solution.

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Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	Two Hunnred and ONE __________________ i like waffles

07-26-2009, 02:56 PM	#208
Odie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The WATER BABY! Posts: 7,040	amazing that you posted this... you were one of the first people who I learned to look up to from my very first show and your hospitality and friendship is refreshing. xoxo __________________ Odie [email protected] Are you Mobile???? MMACanada ICQ # 166208354 See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com!

07-26-2009, 08:21 PM	#211
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	No good deed goes unpunished No act of charity goes unresented No good deed goes unpunished That's my new creed My road of good intentions Led where such roads always lead No good deed goes unpunished! One question haunts and hurts Too much, too much to mention: Was I really seeking good Or just seeking attention? Is that all good deeds are When looked at with an ice-cold eye? If that's all good deeds are Maybe that's the reason why No good deed goes unpunished! __________________ Abra-cadabra!

07-26-2009, 08:52 PM	#213
Ava Knight Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 173	Steve, I see you more as Fiyero than Elphaba __________________ AvaKnight.com brought to you by ThatOneProgram.com where the jokes are self-referential

07-26-2009, 11:55 AM	#203
18teens Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,605	Excellent post Steve.

07-26-2009, 12:36 PM	#204
San So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Shenzhen Posts: 790	Apology accepted.

07-26-2009, 02:47 PM	#206
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	Very nice, Steve you've never been a cocky asshole even tho 99.9% of successful people in your situation are, that earns a TON of plus points, I'm proud to say "Lightspeed, Steve, is a friend of mine" /end mushyness

07-26-2009, 03:46 PM	#209
_andy_ Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 487	Any person with a minimum amount of internet savvy knows many easy ways to get their porn for free, whether its off of tubes, or filesharing sites, or p2p networks. The knowledge of how to get free porn cements itself in the collective mindset of the world more and more every day. Reversing this trend is really a Herculean task and the person who said that it will only happen with laws being passed seems to be right. I don't know how else you change public conciousness; correcting the widespread opinion that they will never have to pay for porn. But if any positive change is to happen it starts with honest threads like this and people banding together and sharing ideas.

07-26-2009, 09:15 PM	#215
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Steve I think one of your biggest enemies is your ego. You let a little thread that exposed your drop in affiliate generated revenue drag you back here and you've been posting ever since trying to reestablish some sort of I'm not sure what. I don't know man it's really painful watching you these past few weeks.

07-27-2009, 09:00 AM	#228
NY Jester Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York State Posts: 1,347	I think Steve is right. Instead of trying to make changes on the fly, and recreating the wheel, I think sometimes the best way to revamp something is to take a step back from it, re-access the situation and then jump back in with a new approach. Hope that works out for any and all who are willing. __________________ Jester X Web Services ICQ: 147 079 406 MadCatLinks.com

07-27-2009, 09:28 AM	#229
Webmistress - Doreen Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cloud nine Posts: 513	nice post. very well said. __________________ ICQ: 352784711 MSN: [email protected] AIM: doreencjtraffic YM: doreen_cjtraffic Over 3,900 Adult DVDs!

07-27-2009, 01:13 PM	#232
Porn Mickey we all love porn Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Nowhere Posts: 2,840	__________________ $150 SignUp Bonus

07-27-2009, 04:25 PM	#237
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Gideongallery, could you name someone doing correct product placement in adult? Cause the biggest of the big, with skilled marketers that have done this before, failed doing product placement in our Industry. People that have done it before, can not get it work in adult. Not saying some people don't make money doing it, but you might as well open up clip sites if you want to do that much work for little money. It's not worth the employee costs to find products that are willing to work in adult. And porn names/products in mainstream films is a fail too. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

07-27-2009, 05:26 PM	#241
Hunter_ST Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Getting messy... Posts: 763	Great post, Steve. I don't post much and don't attend the trade shows, but I've watched your posts over the years and admire anyone who can stay in the business for the long haul. Here's to future success... __________________ Splosh Cash Wet and Messy Fetish Program I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

07-27-2009, 05:35 PM	#243
Due Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 3,620	The product placement is that round black area under the pointing finger. Use it well and your revenues will go up with 20% __________________ I buy plugs Skype: Due_Global /Due

07-27-2009, 05:44 PM	#244
ThumbLord Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Aruba Posts: 1,932	You've always been someone I've looked up to in this industry... but your statement means shit to me now, but heh good show. __________________ We Sell Domains \| ThumbLords \| ICQ 128106905 \| TubeLords \| Traffic Holder \| eRoken