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gideongallery · 07-27-2009, 07:26 PM

mowe cost 5 million + an episode to film
the average porn video if your lucky 2-3 grand.

if you got .1% of the success you would be turning a massive profit on this type of product placement.

TheDoc · 07-27-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

you don't get it
that one tube site
this video could/would have been submitted to dozens

vs national rating of a show across all the local affiliates that relayed programming.

second so what if it takes 20 months to get those viewership, product placement is a long term advertising solution

Because you can't guarantee the viewings of those people, for the product, when it's shown. Because the unique viewing across all of them is unknown. This nobody is paying worth a crap.

I might as well open a clip store.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

again this comes down to not understanding q-ratio. I suggest you actually look at episode of mowe referenced download it and watch. count the number of minutes that that edwards sport car was featured in the entire 2 hours episode (1.5 hours without commercial)

When you can prove it was viewed vs. not being to prove it viewed, the product that is? That's what the ratio is about.. product exposure time?

Crazy, you solved a problem the entire Internet is having.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

getting coke to do a product placement in porn is like trying to sell tampons at a guys only gay bar. Get prodcut placements that are contextually relevent.

if you don't waste your time trying to get irrelevant placements. it not a waste. specifically because the views gotten when the content is pirated can count.

you make money when your video is "Stolen". You actually turn the problem into the solution.

Exactly... it's not easy to get mainstream companies to pay you for product placement. And it's damn sure not easy to find companies that pay a big enough price tag that it makes a difference to you.

You aren't bringing in some jr sales rep to just round up the folks.

It's not like what you are suggesting is new, text, visual, a sound any of it It has been done and tried in porn. One of the largest programs has done it several times.

It's a question of, profit.. people in mainstream video online with far more views than adult tubes are having a hell of a time making money on them, because nobody can prove the product was viewed.

It's not a tv show, it's not a series that people watch a story line on. People watch fucking, they want to see the action, they don't want to hear you say you used johnson and johnson cream to keep your nuts silky smooth.

It would be different if we could control the videos on an illegal tube like we can on youtube. That's outside placement that won't drive our members crazy.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

mowe cost 5 million + an episode to film
the average porn video if your lucky 2-3 grand.

if you got .1% of the success you would be turning a massive profit on this type of product placement.

They don't want a video, they want a series. And our members, don't want to see crap like this in videos they paid for, when all they want is the action.

We're talking chump change to get paid for product placement. It's only $10k to get you Website featured on a Hollywood movie. What do you think we are going to get? It's like $100.. not even worth the staff member to call someone.

gideongallery · 07-27-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Because you can't guarantee the viewings of those people, for the product, when it's shown. Because the unique viewing across all of them is unknown. This nobody is paying worth a crap.

I might as well open a clip store.

really it actually easier to guarantee views, just buy raw tube traffic from choker.
and you still get to run your ads around the video, making money on those signups.

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When you can prove it was viewed vs. not being to prove it viewed, the product that is? That's what the ratio is about.. product exposure time?

Crazy, you solved a problem the entire Internet is having.

do you think viewership numbers on tv are actual counts
neilson rating are based on STATISTICAL SAMPLING
spike rating are not even STAT counts of viewership to the end it the peak viewership in the hour.
this problem has already been addressed by the current metrics for product placement (q-ratio)

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Exactly... it's not easy to get mainstream companies to pay you for product placement. And it's damn sure not easy to find companies that pay a big enough price tag that it makes a difference to you.

You aren't bringing in some jr sales rep to just round up the folks.

It's not like what you are suggesting is new, text, visual, a sound any of it It has been done and tried in porn. One of the largest programs has done it several times.

i clipped out the totally wrong part because i already addressed it above

it the old joke
man walks into a doctors office says it hurts when i raise my hand over my head
doc says well don't do that

same advice happens here, why waste your time going after mainstream product placement when there are people right now who are buying traffic right now.

Do you think any of them care if the 1 thousand people come to them thru a link or thru a type in.

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It's not a tv show, it's not a series that people watch a story line on. People watch fucking, they want to see the action, they don't want to hear you say you used johnson and johnson cream to keep your nuts silky smooth.

two words reality porn
do you not see the episodic nature of bang bus
of euro bride tryout
of i don't 100 different sites which use the same formula week after week.

do you think ABDC/ so you think you can dance/ survivor has a story line.

Episode by episode product placement is common place now.

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They don't want a video, they want a series. And our members, don't want to see crap like this in videos they paid for, when all they want is the action.

The most densily product placement had 7000 brands showcased. do you think that the actors in the shows that didn't sell every piece of signage would walk around naked instead. do you think all the props disappeared in the shows that didn't sell every prop as a placement.

Every paid sponsor know they are competing against every freely given spot too. Your doing product placement now, your just not getting paid for it. It a simple substitution.

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We're talking chump change to get paid for product placement. It's only $10k to get you Website featured on a Hollywood movie. What do you think we are going to get? It's like $100.. not even worth the staff member to call someone.

7000 brands

how much per brand do you think you need to get on average to cover the entire cost of the video shoot.

that signage only.

get an intergrated product placement and a mainstream sponsor pay 1million an episode.
how many of those deals would you need to sell at .1% rate to cover the entire shoot.

topnotch, standup guy · 07-27-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Steve I think one of your biggest enemies is your ego. You let a little thread that exposed your drop in affiliate generated revenue drag you back here and you've been posting ever since trying to reestablish some sort of I'm not sure what. I don't know man it's really painful watching you these past few weeks.

Hey! Get the fuck out of here tube boy.

There are adults talking in the room, and none of them more significant than the class act you just dissed you lying sack of shit.

Get the fuck out of here tube boy!

Ycaza · 07-27-2009, 08:30 PM

Steve. well said.

You were one of those people that seemed so larger than life, and though you may not be a fan of the cigar smoke somehow you became someone I could talk to, honestly it made me feel like I was one of the guys. I will never be owardsld guard, since I have only been in it for 6 years, but I hope I can do the same and move towards being new again.

gideongallery · 07-28-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Hey! Get the fuck out of here tube boy.

There are adults talking in the room, and none of them more significant than the class act you just dissed you lying sack of shit.

Get the fuck out of here tube boy!

the original vision of this thread you might want to consider when making your statement

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Now, the ?Haves? are finding with the poor economy, and lack of new ideas, their businesses are actually shrinking. But how can they go back? Many of the ?Wants? with innovative ideas are now resentful, and unwilling to share. And the RockStars of the past find it difficult to let go of their egos.

attacking shap because he tried to embrace the new economy is exactly the attitude that got you into trouble.

Far-L · 07-28-2009, 05:43 PM

Steve, props to you for your humble and heartfelt original post. I've always respected your business acumen and been happy to count you as a friend in the industry. I am not perfect, you are not perfect, but I perfectly happy to have you as a peer in the industry.

Shap, takes a real human being to apologize and though we have never met I only have respect for the way you handle biz in forums like this. Hopefully you will never let your success go to your head and develop what I call "rockstar syndrome" because you seem to genuinely remember what it was like back in the day when you were the newbie too.

Gideongallery, I honestly don't know why people react so negatively toward your contributions on this board. I sincerely respect what you have to say and learn a great deal from what you add here, plus I am impressed by how you never play tit for tat in the name calling that usually ensues whenever you post.

gideongallery · 07-28-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Steve, props to you for your humble and heartfelt original post. I've always respected your business acumen and been happy to count you as a friend in the industry. I am not perfect, you are not perfect, but I perfectly happy to have you as a peer in the industry.

Shap, takes a real human being to apologize and though we have never met I only have respect for the way you handle biz in forums like this. Hopefully you will never let your success go to your head and develop what I call "rockstar syndrome" because you seem to genuinely remember what it was like back in the day when you were the newbie too.

Gideongallery, I honestly don't know why people react so negatively toward your contributions on this board. I sincerely respect what you have to say and learn a great deal from what you add here, plus I am impressed by how you never play tit for tat in the name calling that usually ensues whenever you post.

holy crap that the nicest thing i have heard from you guys

Thanks i really appreciate the comment.

although i have to say that sometimes i have gotten pretty nasty, i have thought it was only when people were deliberately saying things they new were not true to make a bogus point, however it has happened sometimes when someone actually didn't understand what i was saying. I have appologized in those cases and hopefully there were no hard feelings from those cases.

SteveLightspeed · 07-29-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L

Steve, props to you for your humble and heartfelt original post. I've always respected your business acumen and been happy to count you as a friend in the industry. I am not perfect, you are not perfect, but I perfectly happy to have you as a peer in the industry.

Thanks Far-L -- That meant a lot to me. Dare I say, "Perfect!"

davecummings · 07-30-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Thanks Far-L -- That meant a lot to me. Dare I say, "Perfect!"

Steve, Bob Rice, and Far-L are ALL class acts!

trishauptown · 07-30-2009, 03:08 PM

U Rock!!!

Big Red Machine · 07-30-2009, 04:55 PM

Steve is going to get the RockStar treatment in Miami....Lightspeed for President..lol

Nice Post Steve

titmowse · 07-31-2009, 12:15 AM

Good stuff, Steve.

It is a shame that some butts got too big for the britches. I miss the days when the little guy could converse with the big guy without all the 'tude.

Like the man said, "These are the times that try mens souls".

May we all come out the other side, stronger than ever.

Domain Diva · 08-25-2009, 12:31 PM

Nice positive honest post Steve,

The adult biz is going through changes for sure, but if people start to take the same attitude it could actually come through as a better stonger industry in the long term i think.

Keep smiling and good luck in your ventures.....

Lykos · 08-25-2009, 01:57 PM

Very nicely said,but very hard to make it happen now a days

duranfly · 08-25-2009, 02:01 PM

Great post

brassmonkey · 08-25-2009, 02:03 PM

hold hands and cry hahaha

TrafficRush · 08-25-2009, 02:38 PM

Steve your words are very true! We need to all work as a team and help grow better and profit from eachother =)

help a "want" out hehe see sig!

thank you

will76 · 01-09-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by B O B

Steve, I love you like a brother, and you have always been there for me...Im lucky to consider you one of my closest friends...

Apparently not close enough as he didn't tell you that Tawnee dieing was a hoax.

Machete_ · 01-09-2011, 11:38 AM

retarded bump of a 2 year old thread

facialfreak · 01-09-2011, 01:15 PM

I love this place!!!

lazycash · 01-09-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Machete_

retarded bump of a 2 year old thread

The bump is funnier than Steve's original Tawnee is dead thread.

Scott McD · 01-09-2011, 01:29 PM

Interesting posts in this thread...

rowan · 01-09-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

The bump is funnier than Steve's original Tawnee is dead thread.

Had me going for a few seconds too, until I saw it was "already" 6 pages long.

amacontent · 01-09-2011, 06:22 PM

Yeah that Tawnee is dead post is an all time low. All respect is gone after that one.

will76 · 01-09-2011, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

The adult industry is in trouble. We have all been affected by the global recession, new credit card rules, and the general lack of consumer confidence. Many of us look for someone to blame besides ourselves. After all, we WERE making money, and WE didn?t change anything, so it must be someone else?s fault, right? Tube sites and aggressive billing practices are obvious and easy targets, but I think we need to look again at ourselves.

In 1999, it felt like everyone and everything was new. Even though no one knew each other, and the best ways to earn money online were still undefined, we were all willing to meet and work together to figure it out. No one knew from where the next great idea was going to come. A handful of pioneers were leading the way, and the rest of us took notes when they spoke. The industry was young and hungry, and mostly HUMBLE.

But then the worst thing happened. We all started making lots of money. Along came lavish parties, and the ?Industry RockStars? were created. Immediately, the industry divided into two camps. The ?Haves? and the ?Wants?. The ?Haves? became less humble, and the ?Wants? were not welcome anymore. Parties and conventions became exclusive and invite-only. The ?Haves? power grew while the ?Wants? were left out. But the industry stopped growing because the people with new ideas were effectively shut out.

Along the way, the ?Haves? tried to work together, but clashing egos and poor business skills doomed many of their projects to failure. Eventually, petty bickering forced everyone apart, and the industry started sliding.

Now, the ?Haves? are finding with the poor economy, and lack of new ideas, their businesses are actually shrinking. But how can they go back? Many of the ?Wants? with innovative ideas are now resentful, and unwilling to share. And the RockStars of the past find it difficult to let go of their egos.

So I say the circle is broken, and the only way to fix it is for everyone to change. Let go of resentment and petty disagreements and start working together again. All of us. Most of all, we need to learn from our own history and avoid making the same mistakes.

I want to be the first to start. I want to apologize to everyone. Events in my life have reminded me where I came from. Some of you will laugh at me, or revel in my misfortune, but I?m going to learn from my mistakes and be humble again. I?m ready to let my ego go, stop acting like a RockStar, and return to taking notes when people speak. I'm ready to listen and learn, and party like it's 1999.

Steve Lightspeed

So much for learning from your mistakes,,, you just make bigger ones now that you are becoming a "Wants" person.

will76 · 01-11-2011, 12:31 PM

apology accepted.

07-27-2009, 07:26 PM	#251
gideongallery Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 7,082	mowe cost 5 million + an episode to film the average porn video if your lucky 2-3 grand. if you got .1% of the success you would be turning a massive profit on this type of product placement. __________________ “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

07-27-2009, 08:30 PM	#255
Ycaza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the 805 Posts: 4,290	Steve. well said. You were one of those people that seemed so larger than life, and though you may not be a fan of the cigar smoke somehow you became someone I could talk to, honestly it made me feel like I was one of the guys. I will never be owardsld guard, since I have only been in it for 6 years, but I hope I can do the same and move towards being new again. __________________ Caz Thrush Head Honcho [email protected] http://thrushtech.com ICQ: 304883574 do people still icq?

07-28-2009, 05:43 PM	#257
Far-L Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 6,075	two cents is better than a wooden nickel any day Steve, props to you for your humble and heartfelt original post. I've always respected your business acumen and been happy to count you as a friend in the industry. I am not perfect, you are not perfect, but I perfectly happy to have you as a peer in the industry. Shap, takes a real human being to apologize and though we have never met I only have respect for the way you handle biz in forums like this. Hopefully you will never let your success go to your head and develop what I call "rockstar syndrome" because you seem to genuinely remember what it was like back in the day when you were the newbie too. Gideongallery, I honestly don't know why people react so negatively toward your contributions on this board. I sincerely respect what you have to say and learn a great deal from what you add here, plus I am impressed by how you never play tit for tat in the name calling that usually ensues whenever you post. __________________ HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982. Contact - Email: farrell AT homegrownvideo D com Skype: hgfarl Newsweek Magazine - "Homegrown Video, the longest running series in the history of porn."

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