mmcfadden

My ex-wife scheduled a flu shot for my daughter tomorrow. She is with me and I am suppose to bring her to get it.

I don't agree with flu shots... I'm not completely anti-flu shots but just think most healthy bodies do just fine without it.

I want to go to the diner instead of the doctor's office...

My question is this... If this went before a judge (it likely will)

Would the judge support my decision that I don't want any shit injected into my daughters body?

Barefootsies

The answer is: Tough shit.

They say everyone under 25 should be getting the flu/H1N1 shot.

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child abuse. i mean some may see it that was. just get the shot.

LiveDose

Good question. I would say it depends on the judge.

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mmcfadden

the flu and the other shot are different by a mile...

what I don't want to give my daughter is the every year flu shot...

H1N1 (i guess) is the swine flu shit and right now I would likely kill people if they were to inject that into my daughter's arm

Barefootsies

Despite the CDC warnings of the swine flu pandemic prediction?
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/acip.htm
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/index.html

Just wow...

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mmcfadden

yeah... that's what my ex listens to.

my aunt, mother, father, cousins... all my other aunts, uncles, etc. never had flu shots. I didn't either till I was married. I don't ever remember getting the flu except when I was young... maybe twice.

my thoughts... as a parent... I don't want, need, or welcome a proprietary shot.

The every year shot... I don't want my daughter to get either. She comes from my blood and doesn't need it.

My opinion is we are getting a big fat breakfast and I will put a little bandage on her arm so her mother thinks she is that much healthier

pornpf69

I am also against flu shots...
you don't have to do that with health bodies!!!

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mmcfadden

cool... I will take my daughter to a huge breakfast tomorrow. She won't have any BS on my watch... the strongest bodies are those with strong minds

WWC

NO SHOTS NEEDED! Me and my family are against it as much as possible....its all for the gov to make money with medical world...

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mmcfadden

so my ex called me from 8:00 to about 9:00 am. I never answered the phone... she also drove to my house and knocked on my door.

She left... thank the almighty above, and then called me at 9:05. She yelled at me for about 2 minutes and then I told her that I was at the doctors already. convo ended peacefully.

Then I got another phone call about 4:00 and she yelled at me till I hung up the phone.

I put a bandage on her arm but it was suppose to be the flu mist shot... woops.

Loch

tough call, i would probably do it just because it could really cost you if you dont

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lagcam

Wait..... you are PRETENDING she had the shot?

That is the worse thing you could do.

You and your ex should discuss this like adults with the medical practitioner that recommended it. If you can't agree, then I would have thought the final decision would be with whoever had custody.

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mmcfadden

50/50... that's the problem. I say no... she says yes.

I got caught...

btw... it is not the worst thing... I have my beliefs and she has hers... Being a crazy, controlling, cheating, cumguzzling, hobag, does not negate my position as a parent or father.

bottom line... i don't want her to ever get the flu shot but her deranged mother will do it on her time. What do I do now?

TheDoc

They don't have enough shots to cover every under 25, all the kids at that, let alone the old and sick.


I'm really not worried about them forcing it on my kids.




They could write a report like that on a 1000 other things that kill us every day, like fast food that is a poison.

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dyna mo

do what's best for your daughter- don't make this an issue between mommie and daddie about daughter. you obviously have some pent-up resentment towards her mom that could be clouding your thought process.

Barefootsies

No offense champ, but I think if I had kids I would listen to the World Health Organization, and the Center for Disease Control on the safety, and their recommendations, for my children in a pandemic.

Not some stranger off the internet, on an adult industry board.

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Very stupid. Not my kid, not my family so on a personal level I do not really give a shit. Straight out telling her no you will not get her one would be one thing (even though I do not agree with it). Trying to fake it and making her think you really did give her one was even more fucking stupid. Not only putting her at chance of getting the flu, but perhaps if she did get sick and the doctors asked about it and mom said yup she got it. Then they now have the wrong fucking information to work off of.

Then do keep in mind schools will not be shutting down when h1n1 shows up this time, and yes by all definitions it is a pandemic.

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mmcfadden

I respectively disagree... and a pandemic is only in what you read and see on tv.

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mmcfadden

true dat...

I only live by one set of rules... and that set of rules is blowin' in the wind

TheDoc

Thank god, cause I don't listen to you people either and I sure don't listen to people that force a non tested vaccine down the arms of children.

If this was like the plague and just killing everyone that got it or even the majority, and on top of that lots of people were getting it. Then I would very worried.

The vaccine is the flu, so they can build up immunity to the flu, not stop them from getting it. You could still get it and still die from it, just like you could die from the vaccine.

A non tested, rushed on the market drug, so drug companies can profit before the rug is pulled out from under them.

Yeah... no way in hell.

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mmcfadden

i've seen tv commercials about doctors "NOW... NOW..." recommending the H1 something shot AND WOULD GIVE TO THEIR CHILDREN.

the problem is that "THAT" shot givin to people has killed them.

Why?

Because doctors are scrambling... no thank you!

KILLING PEOPLE... hello... wake up... KILLING PEOPLE with a shot...

NO THANKS! never needed it

Fob

Since when do kids die from the flu? They get sick, miss a couple days of school, get well, end of story. Or you could always inject them with new drugs with unknown side effects...

btw, nice job with the fake bandaid! That's a cool dad move! lol

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After Shock Media

Pandemic means it has spread to a certain number of countries. It is pretty cut and dry.
You can also disagree all you want, it is your kid. Hiding it instead of standing up for your beliefs is still wrong though and could lead to other issues if something did happen and if you still disagree with that, you have a very messed up way of thinking in regards to how diagnosis works.

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After Shock Media

How about since we have been on the planet until right now.

Guessing you too would also be one of those that said no to the brand new polio vaccine when it came out as well.

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mmcfadden

maybe... but that shot was the every day flu shot...

the pandemic of swine flu is going to come up... maybe your neighbour will tell ya about it... maybe the school.

I DEMAND YOU TO SHOOT INTO MY BODY THIS CRAZY FIX... I will live my life as I have and it was up to me... and me only... my daughter would never take a flu shot.

I don't agree with it... I won't take, and I don't want my daughter to take it.

I am fighting a battle that will go on for another 11 years though

Barefootsies

Yeah. I had gotten a good chuckle off that as well.

I guess the word, 'pandemic', when used by world health organizations is now considered 'up in the air', or marginalized, by some. Even better yet,.. media manipulations.

Truly priceless.

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Technically both are pandemics. Again it is just a word - fuck what tv says.
Again I have no real worries that you do not agree with it. Just do not like the lying about it. If I were in your shoes I would tell her no and got a quick injunction. Technically there is no reason why your kid needs the standard flu shot, unless she has other medical issues, will be around elderly or pregnant people, or you just want to be extra cautious.

I am not for shots for everyone. My lines are pretty clear. Pregnant people, elderly, people with health problems, people around those such people, and health care workers should get every type of flu shot each year. Still undecided about h1n1 (except for above), but fuck that is not even really available yet.

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TheDoc

Okay? The normal flu is pandemic then, the common cold, respiratory infections, asthma, all of which can and do kill people and about 1000 other things that they don't put on the list.

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You are right and wrong.

Yes the normal flu often is.
Some colds have been.
Just because it kills you or can makes it able to be on the list. It is not like you will catch asthma from someone.

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mmcfadden

my aunt has been a nurse in the ER for about 20 years... she also does not agree with the H1 shot...

AND HAS NEVER RECEIVED A FLU SHOT....

hmmm... she is around sick all day and does not agree with injecting yourself with a sickness... AND STILL WORKS, my aunt i mean... still works with no problems

TheDoc

True.. not asthma, but you could the other stuff... and for me, Yellow Fever (I live near Mexico). Which can damn sure kill people, and out break of that, is pandemic.

The H1N1, is a strong flu, it damn sure isn't anything like Yellow Fever or any other pandemic that is worth being worried about.

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No.

Get the flu shot. I'm sick and it sucks fucking balls.

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mmcfadden

hope ya feel better! try a quick shot of tequila on me bro

After Shock Media

You do know that many agencies including the CDC all agree that nurses who do bypass the flu shot are one of the number 1 spreaders of the flu. They just may not show symptoms themselves. Hell a number of DNA studies have traced assorted flu outbreaks to given hospitals and their staff.

So do not say with no problems. Then people wonder why some patients die of an unrelated illness when they were admitted.

Your aunt would also have no information that everyone else does not have about the h1n1 vaccine, only difference is she is a nurse and she is putting her judgment over patients lives and those judgements of scientists who specialize in these sort of things. Plus I have met more than my share of full on retarded nurses, many whom I have fired from my patient care because they could not understand other concepts like washing their fucking hands before touching me, only big problem with nurses is they are about as protected as teachers.

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mmcfadden

I do know that my aunt has been helping people for 20 years...

I do know that I have lived 35 years now and only taken the flu shot twice... both times when I was married.

I do believe in genetics... I do believe in my immune system.

Not sure what else to say man... I believe MY BODY AND MY DAUGHTER'S WILL FIGHT ANY THREAT... that's me...

Here is a song I love and wish would play more...

MetaMan

i am against it, everyone tries to mask up sickness instead of letting their immune system do what it has evolved to do.

After Shock Media

Thats cool.
Just remember that those damn little bugs, parasites, and viruses not only evolve faster, they are better at it than we are.

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mmcfadden

none of you homos start shit... k?

jk... here is an old song I really liked as well... back in da day

MetaMan

so what is your point? the only way we can deal with them is by injecting ourselves with a "vaccine"?

if they are all so evolved we would be toast by now, our immune system is more powerful then you think. it is meant to adapt.

it hasnt adapted to every disease but we are talking about the flu here.

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No that is not the only way, has helped in the past a couple times but no not always the only way.
Go ahead and doubt how evolved they are, no skin off my back. I can assure you that unless we actually have a actual doctor of medicine on this board, odds are I know more about medicine, the medical field, infections, our immune systems, and just about everything else health related (besides odd diets like super weight gain, and steroid usage) than anyone else on here.

Yes it has not adapted to every disease, which the flu is not such. Yes we are talking about the flu and the primary reason we catch the damn thing each year is because it has changed yet again from the last seasons version. Our only plus with the normal flu is it is fairly predictable and not new. It has not shown itself to jump quickly or do strange shit. Same can not be said of the swine version.

Someone like yourself has no real worries of such a vaccine, go ahead read up above what I did say. They are not for everyone, well at least the flu ones are not.

Though people seem quick to forget history and it was less than 90 or so years ago that we had a pandemic that took out around 100 million people and infected shitloads more. Oddly enough it was a flu virus and also a subtype of the poor harmless little swine flu.

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Barefootsies

Are the W.H.O. and C.D.C. issuing warnings on their sites calling those pandemics?

If not, then your post does not make any sense.

Maybe that is the point. Just more spin trying to prove a point that you do not want a shot? Whatever. If you do not wanna shot because of the invisible man in the sky, your psychic, or brand of voodoo tells you that it is baaaaaaaaad then don't get one. The end.

Frankly, if I had kids, I would listen to the world's leading health organizations, and their recommendations. But that's just me. I am sure they have a few people around those places more intelligent then auntie and her 50 years around a hospital, or cousin Joe Bob who heard from someone at work it is a global conspiracy, or some priest, other so called expert in people's circle of friends, or generations of crossing your toes for family luck in regards to medicine and sickness.

I personally can not think of a time in my life that the word 'pandemic' has been used by leading health agencies. I am not saying it hasn't ever happened, but not to my knowledge anyway.

However, these are your kids to kill any way you see fit. So go on with your bad self.

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Barefootsies

Exactly.


Oh well. Take the shot. Do not take the shot. Your life. Have at it.

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some great points, i will respond tommorow when i get a chance, im passing out, goodnight all.

After Shock Media

Fantastic another reasonable person in a gfy debate. Wish more were like you and I look forward to what you have to say or counter with.

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mmcfadden

which one was that?

remember... 90 years ago there was no such thing as an internet

Barefootsies

Here ya go toots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influen...80.93192 0.29

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mmcfadden

i'm not gonna come back with a smart remark...

my stance is do what you think is the best thing for your loved ones... that IMO is letting our bodies fight it... no SHOTS...

The flu every year... I don't want that shot on me or kayla

This other thing... i don't know. No shots for me or my daughter though

TheDoc

Yes... Pandemics don't have to be world wide, they can be in a single city or region of the world. Most major pandemic virus or whatever, are still active in the world. Other than the really old ones.

The flu has been pandemic before, early 90's.. and AIDS/HIV as another example.

Getting a vaccine, does not stop you from getting the flu. It makes it so when you get the flu, you can beat it quicker.

It doesn't mean a person that hasn't had the vaccine, can catch it quicker... it just means they "might" get sicker.


Again, if this was pandemic as in killing people off... I would be all over it. But because you live on this half of the world, you missed out on the other half going through it during the Winter - and it looks like they all lived.

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