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bDok

Better first half of the month now compared to last month the 1st-15th. So if that says something. I'm expanding my network in new ways now more than ever. I hate thinking of what things would be like if I was working this hard back in 2000. LOl

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GAMEFINEST

down for me...

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Nicky

Same here.

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andrej_NDC

Today is a disaster.

hawkadu

Not a single sale today. Jesus why are you fucking us?

Barefootsies

Today was big time fucking brutal across the board.

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shwsrvcs

seriously...

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xxxjay

now that i am about to sell my network...sales are at a year high

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NetHorse

I had the worst pay period in the last 3 years with top bucks. CCbill sponsors are way down as well. All other sponsors are about average.

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NickB.

sales are sky rockin' it for me this month - June was a small drop for my own sales
October better than ever before - September on its way up hard

raven1083

October is been great

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spunkmaster

I see the stats on millions of transactions and declines are up to 40% for some merchants and rebills are in the shitter on both mainstream and adult !

There's two things going. One is that some banks are declining online transactions because of all the fraud going on. They'll approve the transaction if the customer calls them before they put it through and the second thing going on is people's limits are being lowered like crazy !

We're getting a ton of calls every day because of the declines !

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flashfire

better than summer but nothing to write home about

thickcash_amo

Are you also pushing non_cbill?

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Fabien

No shit ?
Cool !

Barefootsies

Woke up today to a nice sales explosion. Which is what I was expecting yesterday.

Whew.

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stever

woke up today and had an explosion in my pants

whew

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Barefootsies

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Fabien

Got a signup explosion too today ! About the pants, nothing yesterday and today to report.

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BFT3K

The answer is obvious: As an industry we are NOT giving away ENOUGH FREE PORN!

Want more sales? Just make more tubes, and keep supporting the guys who are behind the big tubes, as that will OBVIOUSLY help everyone make sales!

Duh, it's a no-brainer!

NetHorse

The answer is obvious, don't cut and paste the same shit in multiple threads.

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BFT3K

The statement is consistant, but the text is different.

I did not cut and paste, but thanks for your 2 cents.

Very helpful....

TheDoc

Take away free porn, you take away global interest in porn, you take away sales, you take away affiliates, then less overall competition, and again less overall traffic because less overall global exposure.

Without free porn and piracy, Adult = Dead for most of us.

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I remember some guy on gfy posting that his October sales are 60% of what he usually gets.

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BFT3K

Sure, that makes sense... in Mentalville!

Remember all of the free porn BEFORE the internet? Oh wait, there wasn't any. I guess that's why people didn't ever buy adult magazines, and adult VHS rentals never made anyone any money in the past. Massive free porn is clearly the sensible answer, obviously!

You have been around long enough to know that sales were WAY better BEFORE tubes, so I have no idea what you are talkng about.

I agree that some free pics and 10 second previews helped ONLINE sales in the past, but today's free web content level negates the need to buy almost any adult anymore.

TheDoc

I have been around long enough to notice trends, that porn has grown, the mediums have changed... not just in porn either.

The majority of you are still selling content and doing direct sales to people.

IE: Build a website that has content, sell something through banners and links. A trend that has been dieing all over the Internet, YEARS before Tubes came around.

I look back at our Industry and I see people design better, but still build the exact same thing as we did, 2, 5, and 10+ years ago. Just because the quality of the content has improved, doesn't mean - we have advanced forward.

Free porn STILL drives us, it STILL can produce godly amounts of sales. The thing is 90% of you are trying to sell people, on methods PROVEN not to work anymore. It's why TV, Magazine, Newspapers, etc sales / ads, buying power is down.. They sell - the same way we do.


People STILL generate 100's into the 1000's of sales a day. But they aren't doing it with 10 year old marketing techniques.


Edit: One last thing.... 80's porn was published on VHS, 70's in magazines, DVD's came in, 90's Interent, mediums changed again... It's almost 2010, what do you think most people missed?

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I agree that newspapers and magazines have lost (and continue to lose) sales to the internet, and it's obvious why this has happened.

Online porn, losing sales because of online porn, is a completely different reality, and has happened almost entirely from within.

TheDoc

Newspapers, magazines, etc... don't have "Social" aspects. This is why the medium was taken over. But the advertising was dieing well before the medium, just like television and the Internet is today.

Most of our Industry sells people directly, they offer no social love, support or a true connection to the product or company. No interaction from the affiliate to the surfer, or many paysite owners to the buyer.


This isn't just Online Porn - it's online EVERYTHING. Every single corner of the Internet is falling were direct marketing is applied. You can build any niche you want, mainstream or porn. Getting traffic is easy, converting it sales is hard.

Until you stop direct selling them and start providing and filling needs/wants/desires of people, creating personal connections with them. People will beg to be sold when they 'think' they have a connection with you.


But I can see from all the Twitter is stupid threads, that the majority of us simply don't get it.

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Newspapers and magazines did not lose sales because of social interaction, the internet was just cheaper. No printing, instant updates, easy access, etc.

If you want to find a job or a used car, just go online, and find classifieds... instantly.

The internet just makes more sense, with less overhead - like online porn vs going to your local video rental store to rent DVDs. It is much easier, and less embarrassing.

Porn sold online because people liked porn. It was always recession-proof, because people liked and wanted the taboo treat that is porn.

Now porn is free, and the industry only has itself to blame. The age-old question, why buy the cow when the milk is free, comes to mind.

Everyone who can't see that adult is clearly eating itself, make statements like, you need to change and evolve. Of course that is true with all business, but tell me how the LARGEST online porn companies have changed.

Reality Kings for example, sells porn memberships. Now they utilize more tubes and blogs than before, but they still make thier money from online porn memberships. The only difference is that now they likely make much less profit than they did 5 years ago, like almost ALL adult websites.

Say whatever you want, but as long as a product is free, it will not sell as well as a product that is locked down.

When a liquor store offers a free wine tasting they allow their customers to "sample" their wines, in hopes of selling bottles and cases of same. They do not give away bottles and cases to boost sales, but that is now what the people in adult are doing... giving everything away for free.

TheDoc

This is really simple to understand. In the mid to late 90's, the 1980's porn companies were telling us to fuck off, were weren't the future, blah blah blah.

They were very wrong... mainstream porn may have died faster, but it wasn't dead and mainstream media didn't start to die, until Social Media took off.


Right now, at this very second and any other second during the day. Millions, hundreds of millions of people, aren't looking at free porn content. They don't hunt for it, don't care to search for porn.. they are to busy doing other shit, to care about us.

Right now... Social Media is LARGER than porn, it has overtaken it in searches, it dwarfs it in uses.

You have more people, NOT looking at porn, than you do, hundreds of millions at this very second.

And you think... Free Porn, keeps them from buying? Lord man, the video game industry is bigger than porn, it has more eyeballs at this second than porn does!



Wake up. Stop SELLING to people that won't BUY in the first place.

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I know it is like beating a dead horse, but people are much less likely to purchase a product that they can get for free.

If pants were free you would not buy them. Pants are not free however, so they must be purchased.

People have always been happy to pay for porn, but now that it is free, sales are no longer robust.

This is not rocket science...

TheDoc

If you took away free porn today, all piracy and free porn. You would be out of business in 24 hours. Your traffic would die over night, your sales would drop to a trickle, and you along with 90% of us, would be gone the next day.


No free porn means a very tiny % of people 'looking to buy' porn, split up over a ton of us. It would NEVER create a new rush, never having it - would have meant we never had the rush.... FREE Drove Us and it drives us today.

You're getting stuck on what was... just like the porn companies in the 80's. Porn in the 90's dwarfed porn over the last 20 years combined... it GREW, because of Free!

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BFT3K

Well, you have to ask yourself...

"Am I giving all of my stuff away for free, or am I still trying to sell it?"

Apparently you can make way more money giving it all away. People will clearly pay for your free stuff. That's how it works nowadays. Maybe you just don't get it....

Shoplifter

We are on track to be up on revenue by 36% over last month, and up 15% on initial signups.

Like I mentioned before we have had growth every month since May. All CCBill.

Barefootsies

I only provide 30 seconds free on my tube pay sites.

I also track down and DMCA mofos. I never believed in the free business model. I still offer the stills for tgp submits, but other than the teaser clips. You're out of luck. However, I am still getting sign ups, and people are still buying.

Funny how that works.

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Sounds about right.

Nicky

Ofc free drives this biz but not free 30min videos(well now It does). Free 30 sec video samples is plenty IMO or for a entire scene that's say 40min a 1minute trailer should do.

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BFT3K

10 to 30 second tops. Too much free = less sales.

Some say no previews is actually better for sales.

I will NEVER believe free long clips are helping shit. It may be how things are right now, but that is no reason to jump on the douche bag bandwagon.

AtlantisCash

the side is not govt who must do something about it, the side is "we are" as an industry who must take an action.

once govt involved in something like that, You can't know what this storm will bring from it's behind.

in case the people who buy ads from tubes are this industry's known people, no one from government or either from mainstream media comes and buy ads from tubes/torrents.

as long as this continues and no one from industry bothers to do something for it, pirates will always find a way and people like Yourself will be keep whining and bitching about it.

so the address where You should go is industry guys, big companies, no where other then those

Gausche

Every month is a good month when you have mobile sites that work on all mobile devices. We have some very happy affiliates

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Best post in this thread ever...

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best post ever!!!!

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Biggest problem imo is credit cards. With CC companies continuing to increase rates and take in credit lines, folks just arent buying as much. Simple as that.

For me, the fall has been better than the summer. June was my worst, Sep my best. Oct started off ok but the last 5 days have indeed been very bad.

Posted was not happy with CCbill a while back but lately I have got some signups and the ratio is a bit better again.

One of my sponsors who I always get several sups a month has had about the same number of submits this month on the same traffic (uses Nats 4 which is why I know, btw - I now rate Nats 4 way higher that Nats 3 just on that statistic alone, I regress) but no joins. Which tells me obviously it is not the surfer not wanting to buy memberships but not ABLE to buy memberships.

The surfer wants to sign up but for some reason cant. I suspect, as others with more resources than me have eluded to, this is the industry's biggest problem right now: processing / banking /cc's/ tranfership of funds.

The bright spot? I believe people DO want to buy. They are more picky. But they still WANT to buy if the processers, economy, cc companies ect were cooperating.

Barefootsies

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