halfpint

I do not find that funny at all you fucking idiot

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Tjeezers

Many eyes watch this with many personal backgrounds. Some can laugh their ass off hearing them pray to God so much, and other people feel for these guys who are probably not Rambo`s and asked for this bullshit anyway. They are brave enough to serve their country for whatever purpose that may be.
Nice found btw, I was not aware of this Video

Brave?? I think bravery is something you get after you have been scared like hell. Yes i find them brave enough.... After this they can become heros in their own way if they want and not end up traumatized of the war.

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I'm 65 years old and been around the block more than once. Seen my share of carnage, done my share of wrong, and living the latter part of my life trying to make good for the sins I've done. There ain't no glory in a hardcore life, that much you can believe.

magpan

HA! I was completely doing the math on your age today while I was cleaning up the house. But, that earlier picture that you had up ... doesn't look old at all! You're doing well, man.

SpicyM

This is normal, they are tough guys when there is no danger. I saw a film from Afghanistan.. typical situation: there is a whole army of US soldiers and like 5 Afghan bad boys hiding inside their clay house.. then we see the "dangerous" action.. American view of fight means staying safe 200 meters away from the house, calling a helicopter that will bomb the place for 5 minutes, then pulling out mine-throwers and bombing it for another 10 minutes, then using machine guns and firing at the house for 15 mins.. then when there is like 1 bad guy still left alive, hiding inside, they send 15 men to come closer ..and use grenades to pull the guy out.

They call this "war"..

magpan

Ok, so what would your Rambo-ass do? Put a knife between your teeth and low-crawl until you got close enough to take out the lead guard (after, of course, throwing some rocks to distract him and make him go investigate something)? And, then burst into the room with an UZI and spray down the room? Let me guess: You'd be wearing all black and have a kick-ass headband on too, right?

No fucking doubt - real war is not the movies, asshat. And, if it means having a Hellfire, Javelin, JDAM, tank round, rocket, or any other heavy support / CAS assist me in killing bad guys, completing my mission, and getting my people home to their families, bring on the fucking fireworks. It's not being a pussy. It's being smart because you DON'T know what is in that house. It could easily be a reinforced bunker. It could easily be rigged with explosives.

True story: A naval special warfare friend was clearing a house in Anbar in 2005. He was responsible for making entry for their stack. He approached the door to do his work (which was a thin, wooden affair) and was shot in the face, through the door. He died instantly.

I would love to put some of the haters / bullshitters / Rambos, specifically in this thread, in Kevlar for a week, take you for a drive in Diyala, and clear houses. Be honest with yourself for a minute: Would we even get out of the camp's gate? Even in 2009-2010, when it is decently calm?

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life

I am being 100% honest with myself when I say "No, I wouldn't make it out the gate" Fuck, I wouldn't make it on the plane, that took to the fence, that had the gate.

For the same reason I'm not a bullrider. Because I'm not fucking stupid...

But hey, to each their own. If it makes you feel like more of a "man" or "warrior", be my guest. And if you don't like people openly expressing their opinions that they think you're a fucking idiot for doing it, quit going and fighting for their right to freely think so...

JaneB

Wow, scary stuff written on his page page.



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whats so scarry about two countries living long? enlighten us please sugar tits...

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JaneB

Easy to laugh when you are not in that situation. If you had actually been in a war I would think you would sympathetic. I do not find that video humerous at all. Anyone that does is a sick fuck.

magpan

No doubt that that page has already been noticed.

PSSuperstars

I don't understand why people are arguing with you that 75% or so of the people who join, join because they had ZERO other options... It's like back home in WV... You either are smart enough to go get a Masters in something.. or you take the non educated way out and become a coal miner or soldier. Period. There's nothing wrong with finding a way to support your family.. but my belief is that soldiers fighting todays wars are hired guns for an administration that puts blood all over their hands...

The only missions and operations going on that have anything to really do with our freedom and catching bad guys are done by your SEALs and Rangers... the men on the front lines nowadays are just hired murderers..

Would I be able to do it? FUck no. Luckily, I had other options...

But you can't sit and deny that the majority of the people going into the armed forces are there because they had ZERO other options... I admire them providing for their families.. but the causes and reasons they're fighting are grossly misunderstood and pointless...

You can hate the war... think it's all murder.. and respect someone doing a job because its all they could get...

I go to Best Buy... and some dweeb with no social skills fixes my PC making $11/hr as a geek quad member... He couldn't do college or an IT degree because he just didn't have the skills or grades.. but fucker does an amazing job at his "job"... that's how I see the soldiers.. I just have ZERO respect for the jobs our government are putting them in..

And the video saddens me deeply... I respect those poor boys.. They're just trying to feed their families and being forced to kill and defend something that has ZERO to do with America's "honor" or "integrity"

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d-null

did he say he was a "foreigner"?

Meeper

Obviously this dude is trolling, but either way this is such an inappropriate thing to post. I'm pretty sure almost every person here would react the same way as they did, including myself. They are in a near death experience and you expect them to come out like Rambo with a bow and arrow or something? This isn't Hollywood, these are young kids who have their whole lives ahead of them. I have a few friends over in Iraq and Afghan, one of which whose wife is actually giving birth to his first child within the next 2 days. Your lack of respect for the sacrifice all our troops are making for us is sickening.

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moeloubani

Don't forget that this pussy 'I'm too scared' mentality is biggest in the US. Go the Africa, East Asia and the Middle East and you'll see a lot more people ready to give their lives for their beliefs. There's a difference between being scared, which understandably everyone will be and pushing on in the face of fear which only people with a real reason to fight will do.

I'd make it out of the gate and I'd use my mind to try to stay alive but unlike the US soldiers if I went to Iraq/Afghanistan I'd be ready to die (and I'd only go if there was a real reason to fight, not just to be 'patriotic'). I wouldn't go somewhere to fight someone and end up hiding under a table crying when they try to fight back. That's just stupid and the sign of someone with the stereotypical 'I'm a tough guy until I'm threatened then I turn into a bitch' American mindset.

A bunch of guys in dresses and riding around on dirt bikes vs. the most advanced military in the world and you have the latter hiding under table and crying like bitches. How sad.

If a group of Taliban walked into that room right there with those US soldiers and had guns aimed at them, you really think those soldiers would be the tough guys they SHOULD be and try to fight their way out? No they would still be on the ground, begging for their lives like little bitches.

moeloubani

Honestly you respect people that senselessly kill other people?

An informed, educated soldier that goes and fights in the war in either Afghanistan and Iraq is nothing more to me than a murderer, plain and simple.

magpan

HA - I LOVE THIS! So, it comes back to education and options? And, I will probably be a lecturer at a decent, if not LEADING, University in 2011. While concurrently pursuing a Ph.D. I hope that I have some of your children attend my lectures (so that I can pass on some of this 'dumbness').

I love that you assume that I didn't have any options. I love that you assume that I couldn't choose the route that I took out of high school or what job I could have. I love that you assume that I can't think for myself, draw my own conclusions, and have my own beliefs. I love that so many posters here see Soldiers as 'brainwashed' Zombies, who just carry weapons, nod their heads, and kill. I love that you assume that my very sister, who is not involved in special operations, does not have a Masters degree, that she will not go on to a Ph.D., and that she will not become a 'mover and a shaker' in our Government within the next few years. I love that I am accused within this thread of not allowing other people to have an opinion, yet I am not allowed to have one of my own. It is my opinion that your ignorance is fantastic but you have every right to your opinion.

Read my history here: I'm generally not into the drama threads, playing 'pokey chest,' or otherwise. But, when a complete moron with no relative experience posts something as inconsiderate and stupid as the OP, it IS my place to have an opinion. And, anyone who thinks that the OP is funny is nothing short of a SICK FUCK, plain and simple.

@moeloubani - Though I think that you're posting for attention, you are clearly one of the SICK FUCKS that I mention above.

PSSuperstars

You're certainly allowed to have your opinion.. and I did not point you out specifically.. I said, "THE MAJORITY".. and I was quoting Jew Cats 75%.... My opinion is it's probably more like 90% are just there because they had no other options..

Look at the ratios and areas of highest recruitment.. they are from high poverty areas with bad education, graduation ratios..

I'm happy that you were above that... and still chose to do it.. but I stand by my belief (and there are supporting facts too by looking at education stats, levels, and recruitment levels)... that the majority join because they had no other options..


AND I dont think soldiers are brainwashed zombies.. THE MAJORITY are men who had no other route at providing for their families... so they've became murderers for our elitist government that's now running things. Plain and simple. I respect that they are attempting to do something that USED to be noble... I respect that they're paying their bills... I respect that they're doing the best they can...

And we're both free to have these opinions..

I could never do it.. ever. I'd be too scared.. and I'm very grateful that I don't have to..

and the OP is kinda twisted for posting this. It backfired on him, definitely.

The video is nothing more than SAD as fuck to me Those are just guys trying to get by and get their family taken care of.

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baddog

And you are nothing more to me than a fly buzzing on one of my dog's shits, plain and simple.

teh ghey

Because they are stupid and have no education.
As soon as they are little kids they are brainwashed about Islam and taught to sing songs that Jews are evil and killing them makes God happy.

Its easy to manipulate poor people who have no education.

magpan

A recruiting demographics report entitled 'Who Serves in the U.S. Military? The Demographics of Enlisted Troops and Officers' can be viewed here. This report was released in August, 2008.

An article from around the same time, located here but quoted (Shanea Watkins, Ph.D. and James Sherk Center for Data Analysis Report #08-05), summarizes the report:

'Conventional wisdom holds that military service disproportionately attracts minorities and men and women from disadvan taged backgrounds. Many believe that troops enlist because they have few options, not because they want to serve their country.

Others believe that the war in Iraq has forced the military to lower its recruiting standards.

Previous Heritage Foundation studies that examined the backgrounds of enlisted personnel refute this interpretation.[1] This report expands on those studies by using an improved methodology to study the demographic characteristics of newly commissioned officers and personnel who enlisted in 2006 and 2007.

Any discussion of troop quality must take place in context. A soldier?s demographic characteristics are of little importance in the military, which val ues honor, leadership, self-sacrifice, courage, and integrity?qualities that cannot be quantified. Nonetheless, any assessment of the quality of recruits can take place only on the basis of objec tive criteria. Demographic characteristics are a poor proxy for the quality of those who serve in the armed forces, but they can help to explain which Americans volunteer for military service and why.

Based on an understanding of the limitations of any objective definition of quality, this report comhapares military volunteers to the civilian population on four demographic characteristics: household income, education level, racial and ethnic back ground, and regional origin. This report finds that:

U.S. military service disproportionately attracts enlisted personnel and officerswho do not come from disadvantaged backgrounds. Previous Her itage Foundation research demonstrated that the quality of enlisted troops has increased since the start of the Iraq war. This report demon strates that the same is true of the officer corps.

Members of the all-volunteer military are sig nificantly more likely to come from high-income neighborhoods than from low-income neighborhoods. Only 11 percent of enlisted recruits in 2007 came from the poorest one-fifth (quintile) of neighborhoods, while 25 per cent came from the wealthiest quintile. These trends are even more pronounced in the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) pro gram, in which 40 percent of enrollees come from the wealthiest neighborhoods?a number that has increased substantially over the past four years.

American soldiers are more educated than their peers. A little more than 1 percent of enlisted perhasonnel lack a high school degree, compared to 21 percent of men 18?24 years old, and 95 percent of officer accessions have at least a bachelor?s degree.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, minorities are not overrepresented in military service. Enlisted troops are somewhat more likely to be white or black than their non-military peers. Whites are proportionately represented in the officer corps, and blacks are overrepresented, but their rate of overrepresentation has declined each year from 2004 to 2007. New recruits are also disproportionately likely to come from the South, which is in line with the history of South ern military tradition.

The facts do not support the belief that many American soldiers volunteer because society offers them few other opportunities. The average enlisted person or officer could have had lucrative career opportunities in the private sector. Those who argue that American soldiers risk their lives because they have no other opportunities belittle the personal sacrifices of those who serve out of love for their country.'

@PSSuperstars - I certainly appreciate that you can appreciate (without necessarily having to accept) more sides of an issue. It is refreshing.

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moeloubani

great job baddog, you are so funny and your comments make so much sense they really make me second guess myself

its idiots like you that give americans a bad name, maybe instead of resorting to name calling that has nothing to do with the argument you can try to add something useful or at least something related into it

do you think youre cool or whatever it is you old people strive for these days? are you mad that black man is president and granddad would have shit himself if he knew that and would have shunned you for not rising up and fighting for it? you know that your grandparents or great grandparents were probably very okay with slavery, but it still hasn't dawned to you that the whole mindset you older people inherited from those older than you and are trying to pass on to the younger generation is a broken and ignorant mindset? why so bitter and pro-war? its almost 2010 and you're still in favor of wars? what the fuck man, old people used to be wise or so people say

moeloubani

So in order to be willing to give your life for something then you must be uneducated and an idiot? Rrrright.

Keep your racism to yourself, bigot, and stop embarrassing the people that are arguing for your side.

theking

All of which supports what I stated in a previous post.

Good post. Some civilians are unaware that all Officers have...at the least a Bachelor Degree and many of them...if not most...have advanced degrees. They are also unaware that most...if not all...Senior NCO's (and some Junior NCO's) have at least an Associate Degree and many have a Bachelor Degree as well as advanced degrees. They make the military their career...not because they are not qualified to do anything else...but because they choose to make the military a career for multiple reasons.

You also are correct when you say that some run other businesses while they are in the military. I for one...began a business and ran it for ten of my twelve years of service...a business that I continued with up until a few years ago. I would have stayed for thirty years if I had not been forced to be medically discharged...and certainly not because I was not qualified to do something else.
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Meeper

I can ask you the same question regarding having any type of respect for someone who is putting their life on the line for YOU and your country. If it wasn't for them fighting and serving in the armed forces then it would be YOU or I being drafted (well maybe not you because you live in Canada, which makes it even more clear to me your simply just trolling). You are basing your entire argument on the fact that the average soldier has murderous intentions, which is total bullshit. He is simply doing his duty. The morality of his actions depend on the intention of the leaders who have sent him to war. That being said, there are obviously soldiers who may have murderous intentions and use the cover of warfare to carry them out, but to say that's the majority is ridiculous.

I'm sure you'll rebuttal with some witty remark such as:"well soldiers are all morons who aren't educated and all believe in the war they are fighting", but I'm pretty sure there's been sufficient proof in this thread to counter that claim. Obviously you are here to stir emotions (same as the reason this video was initially posted) and I wont be feeding the fire any more than I already have. Ive said my piece and don't have much else to say that hasn't already been posted here already.

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magpan

Well said.

moeloubani

I understand what you mean by he's doing his duty, but you can't stop questioning it at that. What is his 'duty' exactly? To serve his government without question?

I'll be the first to say that I'd hate to be a country that starts an official war with the US where people in the US are actually threatened, because I know that you crazy fucks will step up and when it really makes sense and you're fighting for a purpose I'm sure there would be no force more ferocious than the US.

After all, humans are all humans, the guys in Iraq and Afghanistan holding their own with shoddy home made weapons are human just like everyone else on Earth but what makes them so relatively tough is that they're defending their beliefs (even if the beliefs they're defending to us seem wrong) and not just putting their lives at risk for no reason.

If something becomes a real threat to the US I'm sure we'll see a whole different picture but the way things are right now is soldiers are going in and are either educated people who know that the war is senseless and therefore are idiots for volunteering to go kill people for no reason or they're people with no other choice in life who are being misled into thinking it's the right thing to do.

8 years after 9/11 all the two wars did is lead to casualties on both sides, so many civilians dead that the number dwarfs 9/11 and you have pretty much the same situation, a weapons dealer turned politician who is openly corrupt (Hamid Karzai) is the head of Afghanistan and after capturing Saddam Hussein you guys turned him over to Muqtada Al Sadr's guys to kill him, and those guys are known terrorists that have close ties to the current Iraq government. Nothing changed. And the worst part of it all is that people over there are worse off now than they were before because instead of letting diplomacy run its course the US voted to start a war, without the ok of the UN, and everyone voted to support the war even though they knew it was wrong and now everyone 'supports the troops' even though they know they're supporting an army that is occupying 2 countries that they have no business occupying that very obviously don't want them there.

That's the 'duty' of a US soldier, is to carry out that kind of stuff? What a shame

directfiesta

Just to put the clocks back on time :


Down economy boosts military

WASHINGTON - The faltering US economy is fueling a dramatic turnaround in military recruiting, with new statistics showing that the Army is experiencing the highest rate of new enlistments in six years.

The Army exceeded its goals each month from October through January - the first quarter of the new fiscal year - for both the active-duty Army and the Army Reserve, according to figures compiled by the US Army Recruiting Command.

Officials said it is the first time since the first quarter of fiscal year 2003, before the start of the Iraq War, that the Army has started out its recruiting year on such a high note.

In recent years the Army either missed its initial goals or barely met them, and was forced to accept increasing percentages of recruits who either did not graduate from high school, scored in the lowest category on the armed forces qualification test, or required a waiver for past criminal activity.

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Military Recruiting Numbers Climb in Weak Economy Armed forces recruiters say people are more willing to listen to the pitch

Washington ? Almost every day another company announces worker layoffs: General Motors, Starbucks, Sprint, Target, Caterpillar and Home Depot in recent weeks, all marching to the drumbeat of shrinking manufacturing and retail sales.

Neither small nor large organizations seem immune to the economic downturn, with one exception: the federal government. And within the government, the U.S. armed forces, in particular, are enjoying a hiring surge. The most recent year (2008) was the strongest military recruiting year in the past four. With the number of unemployed workers hovering around 11 million, all the services met recruiting goals in the initial weeks of 2009.

Each year, the military brings in more than 300,000 new recruits so it can maintain a 2.2 million force of sailors, soldiers, airmen and Marines. But while the door to the military is always open, military recruiters are fielding more queries and meeting with a new receptivity from potential candidates.

Recruiters report that they are seeing older walk-ins as a result of a battered economy. Changes in recruitment rules ? the Army, for example, in 2006 raised its enlistment age limit from 35 to 42 ? are also behind interest from older candidates.

With conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Army brought in more than 80,000 new recruits in 2008, while the Marines filled 38,000 positions.

It is a ?seller?s market,? according to anecdotal reports from Marine recruiters.




As for your quote from Heritage.org, I hope you realize that it is not the " fair & balanced " source :
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magpan

As we have prove on GFY every single day, there will always be (at least) two sides to every debate and I'm certainly glad that we can both vocalize our opinions in this public forum without fear of reprisal. Wow, isn't freedom great?! Let's see how many swings I get out that comment (maybe I should pour another coffee).

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No swings, you're entirely entitled to your opinion...

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Libertine

What's scary about that?

The guy is no different from many millions of Americans, other than that he supports a different side.

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Owner

Fuck all of those Jawas. There isn't any reason to have ground troops when we can carpet bomb all of them. We fucked up Iraq but we could still get our troops out of Afghanistan and then bomb them into a desolate wasteland and rebuild infrastructure. That is what we do best and we would control the pipeline

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Yeah.. American soldiers shitting their pants from man-to-man fight.. if you are like this, then dont creep into the army idiot