A Major Reason Our Industry is Suffering - Page 5 - GoFuckYourself.com

woj · 05-12-2010, 06:23 PM

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digitaldivas · 05-12-2010, 06:29 PM

good thread, many good points

Barefootsies · 05-12-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by digitaldivas

good thread, many good points

True dat.

I always love a good Shap business thread where most stay on point and dig into an issue.

Argos88 · 05-12-2010, 06:35 PM

This must be the first thread in YEARS, that got so many replies in a short period of time...

Cant remember when was the last time a business thread had 5 pages in the same day. Incredible.

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Shap · 05-12-2010, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

True dat.

I always love a good Shap business thread where most stay on point and dig into an issue.

I'm surprised how fast this thread blew up and how little it got off track

Shap · 05-12-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Argos88

This must be the first thread in YEARS, that got so many replies in a short period of time...

Cant remember when was the last time a business thread had 5 pages in the same day. Incredible.

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I know. I made this post real quick and then logged off and went to the gym for a workout. When I was done it was already page 2. Surprisingly with no flaming just discussion.

The Porn Nerd · 05-12-2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I'm surprised how fast this thread blew up and how little it got off track

I think one of the reasons ppl are responding en masse is that many of us spend a LOT of time these days (and way more then we want to) analyzing this situation and trying to figure out our next move(s). For each person on this board it's going to be differant because it seems that every one of us has a totally unique situation (where we live, how we get by, what we NEED to get by and be successful, etc).

A wise man once said - I think it was Ruff, actually - that those who can hold on during all this turmoil will be better off because we survived the shake-up. I'm paraphrasing (Ruff said it better). But I took it to mean: hang in there, do your work, work even harder and more consistently (if you can) and ride out this storm. What's on the other side is either a better landscape of a dead one. So fairly soon we, as an Industry, are going to know if ther IS an "industry" left after the dust settles. Maybe 2 years.

BradShaw · 05-12-2010, 07:12 PM

scammers scammed scammers, scsrewed the few decent business people left....

Amputate Your Head · 05-12-2010, 07:27 PM

There's just a weird general vibe of despair in this thread. It's harshin' my mellow man.

Argos88 · 05-12-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Too much free content = less sales... period!

Stop giving everything away for free, and maybe people will care to buy again.

Sales still exist, despite the industries best efforts to destroy itself from within, but as long as you are giving the milk away for free there is less and less reason for anyone to buy the cow.

This is a part time job for me, and I still do okay, but I sell exclusive content that is not all over the fucking place for free.

If you think tubes and piracy are not to blame for a good portion of lost sales, then I have a bridge for sale that you may be interested in...

Exactly.

However there are some idiots, saying that giving a complete SITE RIP MEMBERS area for free via rapid links, torrents or rapid clones, on forums like extreme-board or pornbb, is a "marketing strategy". But again, I believe the only ones saying something like that are the same owners of those illegal sites or clones of those sites. Because the owners of those illegals sites, are adult webmasters too.

And no, im not talking about tubes.

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BFT3K · 05-13-2010, 07:20 AM

Is it worth a final bump?

SZNY · 05-13-2010, 08:12 AM

I think that the majority of the online adult companies are forced to take a good look at their current business model and the way they operate their business to remain successful in the upcoming years.

Now-a-days you need to offer your consumers a higher entertainment value in terms of more functionality, features and of course top quality of services/content.

Personally I think strategic collaborations > joint ventures are the only way to grown again and battle against the competition to make a difference. Maybe it will be like in the airline business where certain companies merge into groups to survive and grown.

You can think of a pay sites having live video chat integrated in the member areas, integrated social community aspects, scheduled broadcasting live shootings, online guest performances from contract girls and much more.

Today it's all about communication that's why sites like Myspace, FB and Twitter are so popular.

We are all facing more difficult times because of this shitty world wide recession which for sure is not yet over and has a hard impact in every economy.

For myself I tried to be smart by investing in making a new live video chat platform but now I'm forced to make a pact > joint venture with one of the players to initiate some added value for both parties.

Personally I know there is still money to be made in adult space.

will76 · 05-13-2010, 08:24 AM

One thing to note, in regards to how easy it was to make money and get started in this industry, even more so in the earlier years. There was a lot of people who had no business skills what so ever, all they had was a pc and internet connection, perhaps a girl friend they could take nude pictures of, or a decent camera and they tried to find girls etc... point being there was no previous success, business skills or even much of an investment (money) required to get started.

Even though some people made money a lot of them didn't learn how to conduct a business properly. How many of you have no budget, terrible accounting, don't have your own INC or LLC setup, have no goals, focus, terrible at keeping track of records, stats, etc. You can get by being terrible at business if the money is pouring in but when the flow of money shrinks your faults become a lot more apparent.

That is just how it hurts themselves, the same people with bad business skills are also the ones that are likely to be late paying you, scam you, steal from you, have poor communication, rarely follow through on a deal etc... You know the guys who make a lot of money but who are always broke. The people who try to look rich instead of being rich.

Amputate Your Head · 05-13-2010, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

That is just how it hurts themselves, the same people with bad business skills are also the ones that are likely to be late paying you, scam you, steal from you, have poor communication, rarely follow through on a deal etc... You know the guys who make a lot of money but who are always broke. The people who try to look rich instead of being rich.

This can happen from poor general life management as well. It doesn't necessarily mean they suck at business, maybe they just suck all around at keeping affairs in order.

But that's really neither here nor there. What bugs me is this fascination with being perceived as "rich". Why is that the standard around here? If you're not rich or perceived as being rich, that means you suck at business?

Being rich is not the final goal for everyone.

Shap · 05-13-2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

One thing to note, in regards to how easy it was to make money and get started in this industry, even more so in the earlier years. There was a lot of people who had no business skills what so ever, all they had was a pc and internet connection, perhaps a girl friend they could take nude pictures of, or a decent camera and they tried to find girls etc... point being there was no previous success, business skills or even much of an investment (money) required to get started.

Even though some people made money a lot of them didn't learn how to conduct a business properly. How many of you have no budget, terrible accounting, don't have your own INC or LLC setup, have no goals, focus, terrible at keeping track of records, stats, etc. You can get by being terrible at business if the money is pouring in but when the flow of money shrinks your faults become a lot more apparent.

That is just how it hurts themselves, the same people with bad business skills are also the ones that are likely to be late paying you, scam you, steal from you, have poor communication, rarely follow through on a deal etc... You know the guys who make a lot of money but who are always broke. The people who try to look rich instead of being rich.

Dead on what I was trying to say earlier

Shap · 05-13-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

This can happen from poor general life management as well. It doesn't necessarily mean they suck at business, maybe they just suck all around at keeping affairs in order.

But that's really neither here nor there. What bugs me is this fascination with being perceived as "rich". Why is that the standard around here? If you're not rich or perceived as being rich, that means you suck at business?

Being rich is not the final goal for everyone.

I agree and I don't judge someone based on that.

Paul Markham · 05-13-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

For us Live Cams are killing it right now, in a good way that is. Besides cams there is this program we push which is also credits based and people seem to LOVE it. Buying credits left and right all the time, and its not gambling lol

Live shows seems to me to be the best way to go. Not just 1 - 1 but just live shows to as many as want to watch knowing it's happening raw and unedited. We run them on our paysite and they are a winner. People buy a membership just to watch them.

The future is looking after those who will pay to join and giving them more reasons to sign up.

justinsain · 05-13-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Wow Seriously? Here are two examples.

#1 I can name 100 pornstars I can talk to right now on Twitter. I can't even do that on Twistys. That is direct competition. Someone who loves Bree Olson may get more from interacting on Twitter than watching her on Twistys.

#2 7 years ago there wasn't as much to do online. Now there are numerous ways people spend their time online. If we are one form of online entertainment we are competing with other forms of online entertainment and with so many of them exploding and reaching new levels of traffic and adaptation that has to mean somewhere we are losing out to them.

#1 Why are pornstars on Twitter GIVING AWAY their services? If they want to have a social interaction in their private life that's fine but if they are on Twitter as their pornstar persona and having interaction with potential customers to the point of sexual gratification and those customers don't need to go to an adult site for it in my opinion the pornstars have failed at their business.

They should tweet something like " Hey guys I just left this trashy lingerie store and you won't believe what I'll be wearing in my cam show this friday at 8:00 " If they are having free tweet sex with guys that is a direct competition to you than this is another example of how the industry just gives it away.

#2 You can't really count the adult industry as disposable entertainment. People will always have a need for it. It's almost like food. You can spend most of your time doing whatever you like but at some point you are going to the grocery store. Those that have a need for porn won't give it up because they found something else to occupy their time.

So what's the answer.

The economy has to rebound and get back to the days when people had disposable income and are free to spend on other things besides the necessities.

It's been pointed out that the next big innovation doesn't lie around the corner so attention should be directed towards plugging all the free porn leaks. It looks like a few copyright cases are in the courts now and if things went back to when TV, books, newspapers and magazines wouldn't even dream of using stolen intellectual property it would be a HUGE gain for the legitimate adult industry.

People need to have a better business sense. There's two contributors. Those that create the material and those that sell it. Both need to look at their business practices and refine it to be more productive with a longevity that helps not harms the industry.

The adult business attracts intelligent people with an acute business sense along with shady characters that can't see past themselves. This spectrum of people makes it very difficult for the industry to move forward in a positive manner. Right now it's a battle between the store owners and the looters and the looters are winning.

The desire for porn hasn't changed. It's become more accessible than ever which means more potential customers. What's changed is the way people do business and it's had a negative effect. Shap questioned the lack of leadership and I don't think any single person can step forward and claim that role but wouldn't it be nice if everyone just took one step forward in a positive direction and the industry moved as one.

BFT3K · 05-13-2010, 09:48 AM

I believe that live interactive communication IS OBVIOUSLY a huge factor in the future of online porn. Clearly that is a total "Captain Obvious" statement.

The problem with that future is it is a great future for ambitious models, but not so much for most of the rest of us.

Models can market themselves on social sites, they can interact DIRECTLY with their fans via webcams, and they can definitely make bank.

Running a site that allows for this inter-connectivity may be an option for some of us, but in the end I doubt there will be thousands of such sites, in the same way that there are millions of current porn sites.

That leads us back to where we are now - which is selling compelling scenes, that are filmed for the purpose of resale (memberships, clips 4 sale, etc.).

As long as this business model is robbed of its worth by an endless supply of free and stolen content, it is hard to be positive about the future... unless you are a hot chick who can assume the role of a cyber-prostitute.

I guess inventors can do well, creating interactive "real-touch" style hardware and software to assist in the live cyber-sex experiences, but this plan additionally rules most of us out.

In the end, people like porn, but also in the end, people like to hold on to their money.

If they can NOT get porn for free they will pay for it. If they CAN get porn for free, they are less likely to pay. Another "Captain Obvious" statement, I know.

Guys will pay for live escorts, and are now paying for live cyber-escorts as well.

Again, if you are a hot chick, this is all great news. If you are a guy running a porn site... not so much.

Paul Markham · 05-13-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

Robbie understands the value of exclusive material. It's too bad others didn't follow his lead.

The problem is most shooting exclusive content had no clue how to shoot porn and it was so expensive to get a good shooter to do it the size of the site was 1/10 of what it could of been.

Few understood what they were doing and pointed a camera. Today there are some great sites and tons of not so good. Exclusive alone is not the key, in major niches the idea the surfer can see it all is ridiculous.

Sabby · 05-13-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap

There are a number of reasons our industry isn't doing great. Here, in my opinion, is one of the bigger ones....

The barrier to entry has always been very low. That coupled with the nature of our business has allowed a number of unqualified people get into the industry. People that shouldn't be in business in the first place. They were able to make good money because it was easy to make money. Now that times are tough they are completely screwed. They never truly understood why they were successful or how to be successful. They are trying to re-create the past with no success and don't know where to turn. The old tricks aren't working and they've blown all the money they had and are now screwed.

Now more than ever it's easy to see who the real entrepreneurs and who got lucky.

What do you think?

Actually there are the people who were smart... made BIG $$$ and got out.

There are people who make decent money and are in for the long haul. They are truly good at what they do and they love doing it.

And there are those who havent a fucking clue how to tie their shoes they made a few bucks or a few million.

Sabby

Trend · 05-13-2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Good post. But there are not and never have been any "leaders" in this biz...

But nobody has ever really "led" anybody.

This is sadly true. Do you see this changing anytime soon? Unfortunately, based on what I see / hear ... I don't.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm of the mind that only new legislation that catches up to the 21st century technology will be the real game changer. And those of us who are still standing when that comes to pass will be positioned to make a lot of money.

Right on target.

Trend · 05-13-2010, 10:27 AM

As a side-note. This is one of the more honest / interesting threads I have ever seen here.

Encouraging!

Noe · 05-13-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

This can happen from poor general life management as well. It doesn't necessarily mean they suck at business, maybe they just suck all around at keeping affairs in order.

But that's really neither here nor there. What bugs me is this fascination with being perceived as "rich". Why is that the standard around here? If you're not rich or perceived as being rich, that means you suck at business?

Being rich is not the final goal for everyone.

This is because at the end of the day we are in the entertainment industry guys..and the entertainment industry is based in LA. I was born and raised in LA, and that is what most ppl in LA and the entertainment industry are about..smoke and mirrors. My Dad used to have a name for everyone in LA which is slightly racist so really can't post it here, but the first word starts with n and the second word is rich hehe.

But I completely agree with you.

Noe · 05-13-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Exclusive alone is not the key, in major niches the idea the surfer can see it all is ridiculous.

Well said Paul..I know a ton of big (and small) programs in the last couple of year, as we all do I'm sure, who have been shooting exclusive content with the same results; declining sales. This is where I see the fallacy in blaming everything on the tubes. When you're shooting the same oversaturated content as everyone else..then obviously the surfer doesn't see the value in the "exclusivity" of the content.

dyna mo · 05-13-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Noe

This is because at the end of the day we are in the entertainment industry guys..and the entertainment industry is based in LA. I was born and raised in LA, and that is what most ppl in LA and the entertainment industry are about..smoke and mirrors. My Dad used to have a name for everyone in LA which is slightly racist so really can't post it here, but the first word starts with n and the second word is rich hehe.

But I completely agree with you.

my dad uses that expression also. he used it on me when i was a kid- paid on friday, broke by monday.

Noe · 05-13-2010, 10:52 AM

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Personally I think strategic collaborations > joint ventures are the only way to grown again and battle against the competition to make a difference. Maybe it will be like in the airline business where certain companies merge into groups to survive and grown.

This is something that so few in the industry realize..a basic rule of macroeconomics..in times of severe economic downturn, consolidation is usually the key to survival in most markets.

Stephen Pink Tv · 05-13-2010, 10:55 AM

seems like there are lots of reasons but more excuses... been a very entertain thread though.. thanks

Noe · 05-13-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

my dad uses that expression also. he used it on me when i was a kid- paid on friday, broke by monday.

Didn't want to say it..but actually it was what my Dad would call me as well. Like I said I grew up my entire life in LA, so was a product of my environment lmao. It's actually behaviour that I'm still trying to correct to this day, quite honestly.

dyna mo · 05-13-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Pink Tv

seems like there are lots of reasons but more excuses... been a very entertain thread though.. thanks

funny comment, based on yer nickname.

The Porn Nerd · 05-13-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Noe

Didn't want to say it..but actually it was what my Dad would call me as well. Like I said I grew up my entire life in LA, so was a product of my environment lmao. It's actually behaviour that I'm still trying to correct to this day, quite honestly.

I lived in LA for three years so you are 100% correct. LOL N rich indeed! Best advice: don't waste your dough on shiny rims or a $40,000 diamond-encrusted letter (like 'J' or 'P') and wear it round your neck at a club.. :D

plsureking · 05-13-2010, 11:51 AM

well i had a lot of opinions reading this flashflood thread but in the end, i just say, great thread with insightful posts. thanks people.

BFT3K · 05-13-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Noe

Well said Paul..I know a ton of big (and small) programs in the last couple of year, as we all do I'm sure, who have been shooting exclusive content with the same results; declining sales. This is where I see the fallacy in blaming everything on the tubes. When you're shooting the same oversaturated content as everyone else..then obviously the surfer doesn't see the value in the "exclusivity" of the content.

EVERYTHING is over saturated! Every single thing!

Can you name a truly sellable niche that is NOT available for free via hundreds or thousands of tube sites?

You may film deep throat face gagging for example, and your specific scenes may not be everywhere - but if you do a tube search for face fucking, or throat gagging, or deep throat - you will still find the niche... FOR FREE!

You name it - it is out there FOR FREE!

You can pretend your shit is sooooo unique, but it isn't. If it is, then it is not sellable. If it is sellable, then it is out there, right now, FOR FREE!.

"But on my site I have guys having sex with dead squids, while wearing assless chaps" - maybe so, but if that niche was sellable, others would have copied it by now, and it would be available FOR FREE!

Adapt or die, find a specific niche, blah blah blah! How about we stop giving everything away FOR FREE, and maybe people will have to pay for it again. Do the math....

Noe · 05-13-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

EVERYTHING is over saturated! Every single thing!

Can you name a truly sellable niche that is NOT available for free via hundreds or thousands of tube sites?

You may film deep throat face gagging for example, and your specific scenes may not be everywhere - but if you do a tube search for face fucking, or throat gagging, or deep throat - you will still find the niche... FOR FREE!

You name it - it is out there FOR FREE!

You can pretend your shit is sooooo unique, but it isn't. If it is, then it is not sellable. If it is sellable, then it is out there, right now, FOR FREE!.

"But on my site I have guys having sex with dead squids, while wearing assless chaps" - maybe so, but if that niche was sellable, others would have copied it by now, and it would be available FOR FREE!

Adapt or die, find a specific niche, blah blah blah! How about we stop giving everything away FOR FREE, and maybe people will have to pay for it again. Do the math....

Again, I said that there is a fallacy in the idea that just having exclusive content alone will make you $ and sales if there were no tube sites. And actually I know of a couple of membership sites (in the past year) that have created unique and innovative exclusive content of entirely new niches never really hit on before..that have been able to kill it in sales.

Noe · 05-13-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

EVERYTHING is over saturated! Every single thing!

Can you name a truly sellable niche that is NOT available for free via hundreds or thousands of tube sites?

You may film deep throat face gagging for example, and your specific scenes may not be everywhere - but if you do a tube search for face fucking, or throat gagging, or deep throat - you will still find the niche... FOR FREE!

You name it - it is out there FOR FREE!

You can pretend your shit is sooooo unique, but it isn't. If it is, then it is not sellable. If it is sellable, then it is out there, right now, FOR FREE!.

"But on my site I have guys having sex with dead squids, while wearing assless chaps" - maybe so, but if that niche was sellable, others would have copied it by now, and it would be available FOR FREE!

Adapt or die, find a specific niche, blah blah blah! How about we stop giving everything away FOR FREE, and maybe people will have to pay for it again. Do the math....

I also have to note that many of my clients are now telling me that full scene tubes aren't converting as well for them anymore and that tubes with short clips are actually converting much better for their video membership sites.

Shap · 05-13-2010, 12:23 PM

Whether it's in mainstream or adult there is a lot of NOISE online right now. Michael (mpahlca) and I have been talking about it a lot and we truly feel Content Aggregation is a huge market right now. I think both in adult and mainstream. If you can cancel out the noise and deliver what people are looking for you can see really strong growth.

The Porn Nerd · 05-13-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Noe

I also have to note that many of my clients are now telling me that full scene tubes aren't converting as well for them anymore and that tubes with short clips are actually converting much better for their video membership sites.

Here's a dirty little secret for all of you (and since many of you already know this, please forgive):

4-5 minutes is the 'sweet spot' for converting membership sales on tubes. Anything shorter, just a tease (which can also work, sometimes); anything longer (those 10 - 20+ minute scenes you see everywhere) and the surfer justs fast-forwards or 'skips' to the hot spots that turn him on anyway, so in the end the surfer only spends 4-5 ACTUAL minutes watching/jerking it to that 20+ minute clip. So longer is not really 'better', just adds to the endless ocean of free shit.

STOP GIVING AWAY FULL SCENES would be a great place to start.

BFT3K · 05-13-2010, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Noe

I also have to note that many of my clients are now telling me that full scene tubes aren't converting as well for them anymore and that tubes with short clips are actually converting much better for their video membership sites.

Really? Wow!

So your clients have informed you that giving EVERYTHING away for FREE does not convert as well as giving LESS away for FREE?

Well knock me down with a feather, that's some slick learning right there!

Robbie · 05-13-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Whether it's in mainstream or adult there is a lot of NOISE online right now. Michael (mpahlca) and I have been talking about it a lot and we truly feel Content Aggregation is a huge market right now. I think both in adult and mainstream. If you can cancel out the noise and deliver what people are looking for you can see really strong growth.

I thought hahaha did that a couple of years ago.

Just kidding (sort of)

I hope that "Content Aggregation" works for you. I'm assuming that the trick for success will be all about the execution of the idea.

Noe · 05-13-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Really? Wow!

So your clients have informed you that giving EVERYTHING away for FREE does not convert as well as giving LESS away for FREE?

Well knock me down with a feather, that's some slick learning right there!

My point is this; if those same titles my clients are licensing from me are all over the tubes for free, how are my clients earning an roi on content they're paying for legally that is given away everywhere else 100% entirely for free (as you're stating)..and they're not asking for full tube rights for themselves?

I think that most of us in the industry haven't only become lazy when it comes to creating innnovative content..but we've also become lazy and stagnant in how we market (package) the content to the consumer as well.

I feel that laziness...putting everything on "auto" and expecting continued sales growth in today's business world (especially in the online sector) is ridiculous. Even for 1 day. Just my

Amputate Your Head · 05-13-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Noe

My point is this; if those same titles my clients are licensing from me are all over the tubes for free, how are my clients earning an roi on content they're paying for legally that is given away everywhere else 100% entirely for free (as you're stating)..and they're not asking for full tube rights for themselves?

I think that most of us in the industry haven't only become lazy when it comes to creating innnovative content..but we've also become lazy and stagnant in how we market (package) the content to the consumer as well.

I feel that laziness...putting everything on "auto" and expecting continued sales growth in today's business world (especially in the online sector) is ridiculous. Even for 1 day. Just my

You're right. Many of us put things on auto-pilot years ago. But those days are over. That doesn't work much any more.

Argos88 · 05-13-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Noe

Again, I said that there is a fallacy in the idea that just having exclusive content alone will make you $ and sales if there were no tube sites. And actually I know of a couple of membership sites (in the past year) that have created unique and innovative exclusive content of entirely new niches never really hit on before..that have been able to kill it in sales.

Problem are not tubes... they represent the 5% of the free content.

Do you know what torrents are?

Do you know what pornbb and extreme-board are?

Do you know sharingmatrix, hotfile and the dozen rapid clones available right now?

Those have 80% of the free content rigth now, and I'm talking about downloadable SITE RIPS in HD available for free right now.

Take a look at those and you will be surprised... 15,000 active users at all times... every single post with content get too many thanks to list... Those forums move so fast that you refresh it every 5 seconds and you see new threads and post with FREE MEMBERS areas popping up... every single second.
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Noe · 05-13-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Argos88

Problem are not tubes... they represent the 5% of the free content.

Do you know what torrents are?

Do you know what pornbb and extreme-board are?

Do you know sharingmatrix, hotfile and the dozen rapid clones available right now?

Those have 80% of the free content rigth now, and I'm talking about downloadable SITE RIPS in HD available for free right now.

Take a look at those and you will be surprised... 15,000 active users at all times... every single post with content get too many thanks to list... Those forums move so fast that you refresh it every 5 seconds and you see new threads and post with FREE MEMBERS areas popping up... every single second. .

I'm sorry-when i say "illegal tubes" I'm referring to torrents.

Also-are you aware of how recent rulings by multiple international courts are setting new precedents for anti piracy laws? The pendulum always swings the other way, as it is now, and the major torrents are being shut down.

As a business owner I've learned that the a ceo's job description should be "problem solver". If you don't like finding solutions for problems every day you go to work, and instead have a tendency to get stuck and focus on the problem, then you shouldn't be a business owner. .

OTerror · 05-13-2010, 01:31 PM

I think that even legal tubes hurt us.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 05-13-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Here's a dirty little secret for all of you (and since many of you already know this, please forgive):

4-5 minutes is the 'sweet spot' for converting membership sales on tubes. Anything shorter, just a tease (which can also work, sometimes); anything longer (those 10 - 20+ minute scenes you see everywhere) and the surfer justs fast-forwards or 'skips' to the hot spots that turn him on anyway, so in the end the surfer only spends 4-5 ACTUAL minutes watching/jerking it to that 20+ minute clip. So longer is not really 'better', just adds to the endless ocean of free shit.

STOP GIVING AWAY FULL SCENES would be a great place to start.

I've been trying to say this for years now. If everyone gave away up to 3 minute clips on tube sites, then even upgrading them in their own tube site for a Fucking 1.99, that would make a big difference.

Anyone that gives away more than 3 Minutes for free should go to JAIL.

Shap · 05-13-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I thought hahaha did that a couple of years ago.

Just kidding (sort of)

I hope that "Content Aggregation" works for you. I'm assuming that the trick for success will be all about the execution of the idea.

Definitely not referring to what hahaha did. I'd call that consolidation.

I just went to google and searched Content Aggregation so I don't describe it the wrong way. Here is an article to give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

http://www.dmwmedia.com/news/2008/04...gation-king%3F

It's not a new idea but I believe it's becoming more and more valuable. Twitter is a great example. There is so much valuable real time information on Twitter (I can't think of another place with more). The problem is the noise. There is even more garbage than quality. The key is aggregating the right content and doing something with it. There is HUGE opportunity.

Shap · 05-13-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

I've been trying to say this for years now. If everyone gave away up to 3 minute clips on tube sites, then even upgrading them in their own tube site for a Fucking 1.99, that would make a big difference.

Anyone that gives away more than 3 Minutes for free should go to JAIL.

Dave we know that. We all get it. I just don't know what saying it over and over again will solve. That ship has sailed and isn't coming back. Why keep calling for it? The ship is 5000 from shore and can't hear you.

Robbie · 05-13-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

The problem is the noise. There is even more garbage than quality. The key is aggregating the right content and doing something with it. There is HUGE opportunity.

Brother you just described GFY. lol

As far as what you're talking about...I think that executing it properly would be key to that kind of thing being successful. I'm just not sure if it really would apply in the porn world (unless you call torrents and illegit tubes "content aggregators").

I have a hunch you've already given it some thought though and have some kind of plan to implement it for porn. Good luck with it and let me know if affiliates will have some sort of place in the structure so I can try it out.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 05-13-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Dave we know that. We all get it. I just don't know what saying it over and over again will solve. That ship has sailed and isn't coming back. Why keep calling for it? The ship is 5000 from shore and can't hear you.

You have the power to try it on your tubes. You are the captain, you can hear us. Back the ship up and set a new trend. You will make more money then everyone else. Then you can come here and tell us how my idea has put an extra million dollars a month in your bank account and every other tube site will follow.

Especially on your Gay Tube. You know if a guy is Jerking off to a video with his Dick in one hand and his three minutes runs out and it says, join to see the rest of the video in HD, he is going to use his other hand to get the credit card out.

IT'S A NO BRAINER!

will76 · 05-13-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

I believe that live interactive communication IS OBVIOUSLY a huge factor in the future of online porn. Clearly that is a total "Captain Obvious" statement.

That was a captin obvious statement 5+ years ago but there wasn't a lot of captins back then. Hell even today there is a lot of picture and video type membership sites that haven't gotten their own cam site, or at the very least a white label built into their members area.

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SZNY SZNY Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sexy Republic Posts: 2,800	I think that the majority of the online adult companies are forced to take a good look at their current business model and the way they operate their business to remain successful in the upcoming years. Now-a-days you need to offer your consumers a higher entertainment value in terms of more functionality, features and of course top quality of services/content. Personally I think strategic collaborations > joint ventures are the only way to grown again and battle against the competition to make a difference. Maybe it will be like in the airline business where certain companies merge into groups to survive and grown. You can think of a pay sites having live video chat integrated in the member areas, integrated social community aspects, scheduled broadcasting live shootings, online guest performances from contract girls and much more. Today it's all about communication that's why sites like Myspace, FB and Twitter are so popular. We are all facing more difficult times because of this shitty world wide recession which for sure is not yet over and has a hard impact in every economy. For myself I tried to be smart by investing in making a new live video chat platform but now I'm forced to make a pact > joint venture with one of the players to initiate some added value for both parties. Personally I know there is still money to be made in adult space. __________________ Telegram: sandroanthonio

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05-13-2010, 09:48 AM	#219
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	I believe that live interactive communication IS OBVIOUSLY a huge factor in the future of online porn. Clearly that is a total "Captain Obvious" statement. The problem with that future is it is a great future for ambitious models, but not so much for most of the rest of us. Models can market themselves on social sites, they can interact DIRECTLY with their fans via webcams, and they can definitely make bank. Running a site that allows for this inter-connectivity may be an option for some of us, but in the end I doubt there will be thousands of such sites, in the same way that there are millions of current porn sites. That leads us back to where we are now - which is selling compelling scenes, that are filmed for the purpose of resale (memberships, clips 4 sale, etc.). As long as this business model is robbed of its worth by an endless supply of free and stolen content, it is hard to be positive about the future... unless you are a hot chick who can assume the role of a cyber-prostitute. I guess inventors can do well, creating interactive "real-touch" style hardware and software to assist in the live cyber-sex experiences, but this plan additionally rules most of us out. In the end, people like porn, but also in the end, people like to hold on to their money. If they can NOT get porn for free they will pay for it. If they CAN get porn for free, they are less likely to pay. Another "Captain Obvious" statement, I know. Guys will pay for live escorts, and are now paying for live cyber-escorts as well. Again, if you are a hot chick, this is all great news. If you are a guy running a porn site... not so much. Last edited by BFT3K; 05-13-2010 at 09:59 AM..

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05-13-2010, 12:23 PM	#236
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Whether it's in mainstream or adult there is a lot of NOISE online right now. Michael (mpahlca) and I have been talking about it a lot and we truly feel Content Aggregation is a huge market right now. I think both in adult and mainstream. If you can cancel out the noise and deliver what people are looking for you can see really strong growth. Last edited by Shap; 05-13-2010 at 12:24 PM..

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