Time STOP GIVING IT ALL AWAY FOR FREE!

[cashcows]

This will piss some people off and others will agree...But either way it needs to be said and it's the biggest threat the adult industry faces!

While I'm not a big player becuase I did not really go full force into Adult back in 1998 which now I think I should have. I will tell you what I have been saying for over 10 years to everyone that would listen.

People don't buy what they get for free. TGP hurt the Adult industry when video tech was not up to par now with everyone being able to play high quality video. People are giving it all away for free on STUPID tube sites!

It's Killing this industry and if it does not stop we will have no fear of the Government killing porn because the industry will have killed it's self. We had a really good chance to stop when High Def came but what did they do Now let's give our High Def away for free and not protect it with DRM.

What MUST HAPPEN to save this industry!

1. All Sponsors need to STOP PAYING for all TUBE TRAFFIC! As it is now. Tube sites should only give out short non-hard core clips. PERIOD! Or be totally shut down.

2. ALL sites need DRM on all videos you get to watch the video for as long as you are a member. This model works I use it in my non-adult member sites. I have had it used on me when I would have downloaded everything and left I stayed for several months and paid $500+ instead of $50 on a site that used DRM! I don't hear netflix saying it does not work? When you rent a porn in hotel you don't get to keep a copy.

I can hear people whining right now they won't sign up. Yes they will...As of now they sign up for $1 and download 2Gb and cancel.

So with DRM they signup download and when they cancel a message pops up and says you must be member of the site to watch the videos. If all sites did this we would get control back out of the hands of the freeloaders and pirates. (yes DRM can be broken but the average person does now know how and it takes time and effort)

3. The best thing that could ever happen is a law passed that would require all hardcore/penetration be put behind a Age Verification screen NO EXCEPTIONS! This protects the Children and you would see conversions SKY ROCKET in a matter of months.

4. The industry also need to patrol P2P Rapid Share sites to have all content removed. But right now piracy is drop in the bucket compared to tube sites!

The problems is most people are here in this industry to make a quick buck and get out and are selfish pricks that could care less about the industry, performers, or anyone else.

The want to make as much as they can fuck everyone else by giving out free content and get out. The have disdain for their own industry. And ignorance of the effects of their actions.

If they had a better attitude they would make 10 times the money by NOT giving everything away for free!

The smart players that have treated the industry, performers and customers with respect and ran it like a business for the long hall are now multi-millionaires.

Youtube is not a business model to base porn on. First off you tube viewers are cheap freebie seekers as are porn tube viewers. I don't think you tube is even profitable the owners made money by selling to Google. And you see that you tube removes copyrighted material as soon as possible? Why? Because giving that material away for FREEis a THREAT to the copyright holder and they could sue for damages. Read that again "FREE is a Threat to profitability" so why is it ok to give porn scenes away for free? WAKE UP!

And monetizing free tube traffic, on other non-porn products like dating and penis enlargement is like giving a steak dinner away for free and charging for the Frys, Ketchup and A1 Sauce! You're still in the hole and have reduced over all profitability.

I remember when I could just point domains to tours and make a few grand a month from the type-in traffic. Now I have to pre-sell everything and do all kinds of other marketing tricks and SEO etc...

Do you think Mc Donalds would still be in business if they gave out full meals all day long?

How many bars would be around if Beer was free?

People offer you samples to entice you not give you it all for free!

This industry needs to wake up and CHANGE NOW or it will die. There is enough free porn online now that all production could stop for several years and only the hardcore fans that actually go to AVN would notice. And that's very small percentage of the market!

Any one that argues against what I'm saying has no clue of economics, marketing or business or has not been in this business very long.

As far as the economy Porn and other entertainment usually make more money in bad times. But now that every thing is free guess again!

A Side note: As far as music and recording artists they can make up the loss from piracy by concert sells, and merchandising. Porn stars don't do live sex concerts that seat 20K people. And when they do feature dance you don't get to see a penny.

The best thing you could do with your tube sites is shut them down and redirect the traffic to a multi-site tour.

I have said all I'm going to say on this. I think I have hit all major point and I have a ton of work to get back to! Hope this makes some people think and change their actions.

PS: I don't have time to proof read so if you see a typo or misspelling that's why.( Like the one in the title it won't let me edit!) I'm not illiterate.

[Agent 488]

cliff nuts.

[Barefootsies]

No offense to the O.P. but people have been saying these things long before tube sites and repeatedly over the past decade. There has always been 'free'. There has also always been theft.

As Robbie has said, right now this industry is facing a 'perfect storm' which includes credit card limits being cut, the economy, theft on a grand scale, a decade of flooding the 'free', studios no longer producing new content, affiliates heading back to Burger King, and a mass exodus from the industry.

That does not even touch on the fact the internet has changed, and there are simply more things on it (other than porn) trying to get people's time and attention and repeat business. The point being, there is no single one adult industry boogie man that is killing it. Nor a simple light switch to fix it.

[MetaMan]

you people are such clueless webmasters it makes my head hurt.

[brentbacardi]

Ok, simple economics...

Where everything was in the past....


Where it is now...


If you dont know economics basically its says... when there is huge profits, people see that and they all want in on it. Then the market becomes saturated with too many people competing.

Right now there is less profits for everyone so all the small players are getting out, and withing the next few years the market should equalize out because only the successful businesses will be left with plenty of profits to and customers to make money off of. They will have the market to themselves.

So if you can keep making money, things will get better. If you can't and you get out of the business... your customers are going to go somewhere else and help the rest of the industry.

I actually did learn something in schoole!

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

The point being, there is no single one adult industry boogie man that is killing it. Nor a simple light switch to fix it.

Granted there is no switch to fix it but the big problem is FREE content. Period.


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[Fabien]

Stop kill free porn

[Serge Litehead]

unfortunately until a pond is completely dead dry, everyone will drink from it (while pissing at the same time)
how can we influence governments to ban free porn? obviously they don't care without someone lobbying industry interests.

[CYF]

good luck trying to get rid of free porn

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by holograph

unfortunately until a pond is completely dead dry, everyone will drink from it (while pissing at the same time)
how can we influence governments to ban free porn? obviously they don't care without someone lobbying industry interests.

True.
To be honest, how the hell can we stop this ?
Internet was created so that the information could get across NO MATTER WHAT.
Well guess what guys, your invention worked

They won't be an "international" web police. Well not until i die that is.
Hell, Interpol is a mess already !

So sad...

[LickMyBalls]

Crying over piracy does nothing.. do something about it instead.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by cashcows

This will piss some people off and others will agree...But either way it needs to be said and it's the biggest threat the adult industry faces!

While I'm not a big player becuase I did not really go full force into Adult back in 1998 which now I think I should have. I will tell you what I have been saying for over 10 years to everyone that would listen.

People don't buy what they get for free. TGP hurt the Adult industry when video tech was not up to par now with everyone being able to play high quality video. People are giving it all away for free on STUPID tube sites!

It's Killing this industry and if it does not stop we will have no fear of the Government killing porn because the industry will have killed it's self. We had a really good chance to stop when High Def came but what did they do Now let's give our High Def away for free and not protect it with DRM.

What MUST HAPPEN to save this industry!

1. All Sponsors need to STOP PAYING for all TUBE TRAFFIC! As it is now. Tube sites should only give out short non-hard core clips. PERIOD! Or be totally shut down.

2. ALL sites need DRM on all videos you get to watch the video for as long as you are a member. This model works I use it in my non-adult member sites. I have had it used on me when I would have downloaded everything and left I stayed for several months and paid $500+ instead of $50 on a site that used DRM! I don't hear netflix saying it does not work? When you rent a porn in hotel you don't get to keep a copy.

I can hear people whining right now they won't sign up. Yes they will...As of now they sign up for $1 and download 2Gb and cancel.

So with DRM they signup download and when they cancel a message pops up and says you must be member of the site to watch the videos. If all sites did this we would get control back out of the hands of the freeloaders and pirates. (yes DRM can be broken but the average person does now know how and it takes time and effort)

3. The best thing that could ever happen is a law passed that would require all hardcore/penetration be put behind a Age Verification screen NO EXCEPTIONS! This protects the Children and you would see conversions SKY ROCKET in a matter of months.

4. The industry also need to patrol P2P Rapid Share sites to have all content removed. But right now piracy is drop in the bucket compared to tube sites!

The problems is most people are here in this industry to make a quick buck and get out and are selfish pricks that could care less about the industry, performers, or anyone else.

The want to make as much as they can fuck everyone else by giving out free content and get out. The have disdain for their own industry. And ignorance of the effects of their actions.

If they had a better attitude they would make 10 times the money by NOT giving everything away for free!

The smart players that have treated the industry, performers and customers with respect and ran it like a business for the long hall are now multi-millionaires.

Youtube is not a business model to base porn on. First off you tube viewers are cheap freebie seekers as are porn tube viewers. I don't think you tube is even profitable the owners made money by selling to Google. And you see that you tube removes copyrighted material as soon as possible? Why? Because giving that material away for FREEis a THREAT to the copyright holder and they could sue for damages. Read that again "FREE is a Threat to profitability" so why is it ok to give porn scenes away for free? WAKE UP!

And monetizing free tube traffic, on other non-porn products like dating and penis enlargement is like giving a steak dinner away for free and charging for the Frys, Ketchup and A1 Sauce! You're still in the hole and have reduced over all profitability.

I remember when I could just point domains to tours and make a few grand a month from the type-in traffic. Now I have to pre-sell everything and do all kinds of other marketing tricks and SEO etc...

Do you think Mc Donalds would still be in business if they gave out full meals all day long?

How many bars would be around if Beer was free?

People offer you samples to entice you not give you it all for free!

This industry needs to wake up and CHANGE NOW or it will die. There is enough free porn online now that all production could stop for several years and only the hardcore fans that actually go to AVN would notice. And that's very small percentage of the market!

Any one that argues against what I'm saying has no clue of economics, marketing or business or has not been in this business very long.

As far as the economy Porn and other entertainment usually make more money in bad times. But now that every thing is free guess again!

A Side note: As far as music and recording artists they can make up the loss from piracy by concert sells, and merchandising. Porn stars don't do live sex concerts that seat 20K people. And when they do feature dance you don't get to see a penny.

The best thing you could do with your tube sites is shut them down and redirect the traffic to a multi-site tour.

I have said all I'm going to say on this. I think I have hit all major point and I have a ton of work to get back to! Hope this makes some people think and change their actions.

PS: I don't have time to proof read so if you see a typo or misspelling that's why.( Like the one in the title it won't let me edit!) I'm not illiterate.

and you think anti trust level collusion against free market competition is a solution

good going.

[Serge Litehead]

Originally Posted by Fabien

True.
To be honest, how the hell can we stop this ?

we can't. only if free porn was made illegal on global level, even for one single simple reason - limiting access of freely accessible porn to kids, but it seems no governmental body gets it, so it is impossible at this time. although i believe if even one country would ban it others would follow.

[fatfoo]

Sometimes people do buy what they can get for free. Not only that, sometimes people even give tips and actually willingly pay more for something, because they really liked the product.

I have heard stories where a person likes a computer game or porn DVD so much, that he pays money for it out of respect, instead of stealing it for free.

[Cyber Fucker]

no one listen to you mate, no one....

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

you people are such clueless webmasters it makes my head hurt.

[GetSCORECash]

This thread has potential.

[tony286]

Good points, adult made lots of money when a video box was all you saw.

[TheDoc]

I think we should talk about ending all wars or maybe feeding all starving people, really up it a notch to something that has real potential.


Why do so many forget that the Internet isn't mostly porn anymore? The Internet is still growing... but people coming online have so much more to do now, they aren't thinking of porn. People on facebook yapping bullshit and playing stupid games for, what was it an average of 50 minutes a day, on one damn site let alone games like WoW? Shit... that might be why television watching is slowing down.

Free porn is the largest, mostly free in cost, marketing medium we have.. if you took that way, it would end our entire Industry over night.

[kada]

very nice points you have.. but its too bad you are talking to a brick wall.
my questn is;..havent you learnt anything?? let the industry fucking die already. there are forces that want it that way. so flow with it because you are wasting your precious time & breathe tryin to stop it.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I think we should talk about ending all wars or maybe feeding all starving people, really up it a notch to something that has real potential.


Why do so many forget that the Internet isn't mostly porn anymore? The Internet is still growing... but people coming online have so much more to do now, they aren't thinking of porn. People on facebook yapping bullshit and playing stupid games for, what was it an average of 50 minutes a day, on one damn site let alone games like WoW? Shit... that might be why television watching is slowing down.

Free porn is the largest, mostly free in cost, marketing medium we have.. if you took that way, it would end our entire Industry over night.

Yeah, there's many other things to do on internet now - but if you're horny and wanna jerk off you still have to watch porn. Or do you jerk off to facebook now?

Originally Posted by cashcows

This will piss some people off and others will agree...But either way it needs to be said and it's the biggest threat the adult industry faces!

While I'm not a big player becuase I did not really go full force into Adult back in 1998 which now I think I should have. I will tell you what I have been saying for over 10 years to everyone that would listen......

....PS: I don't have time to proof read so if you see a typo or misspelling that's why.( Like the one in the title it won't let me edit!) I'm not illiterate.

Dude, tube sites won't stop. Free porn won't stop. Get used to it.

Protect your content like Robbie does and stop bitching. Or go on and promote mainstream products. Or webcams.

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by cashcows

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I have said all I'm going to say on this.
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And last but not least, we need peace on earth.

[PXN]

LOL@ this post. Where have you been? These are old news.

We can't stop tube, but honestly in the long run, it would help because soon enough people who want free porn will go to full length tube and those that looking for quality will go to tgp/mgp site. This is where quality traffic will be filtered out.

Can't you see Pornhub isn't advertising any other bro's site other than shady ads like those from GF? Their traffic can't convert mate. Otherwise, RK, FYC, etc will be buying spots on their site. If traffic was so good they'll be keeping it for themselves.

[LoveSandra]

Originally Posted by CYF

good luck trying to get rid of free porn

mission impossible

[seeandsee]

You have good point. BUT

Nothing will be changed AND

Revenue stream will go to shit !

[scottybuzz]

lead the way pal.

[Argos88]

Originally Posted by scottybuzz

lead the way pal.

what ???

[SteveHardeman]

Good post but you basically just summarized 100 other threads that have been done on this topic. Not criticizing. I agree with everything you said. I just don't have a solution that is feasible and it appears no one else does either.

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by SteveHardeman

Good post but you basically just summarized 100 other threads that have been done on this topic. Not criticizing. I agree with everything you said. I just don't have a solution that is feasible and it appears no one else does either.

I could not have said this better myself. Everything in the somewhat lengthy thread starter is view as common wisdom. I remember the mantras 'make em pay for pink' and 'never give them enough to get off on' those 'standards' went bye bye pretty damned fast in the early days... if someone saw they could make 2 more sales a day showing a chick with a dick in her cooter then they filled their sites with it. It looks like a short term gain back then changed everything but it was inevitable... tubes were inevitable just like the next big thing is destined to happen no matter what we do now... banning free porn or ending it it simply not possible.

[iwiiiiiiiiii]

Your text is good and make sense. But the problem is when people make tons of money with tubes sites, how they can stop it. When you look at brazzers, with their hundreds millions in revenues, what can we say, they've been better than anybody else, even if the morality is forgot.

When you look at Greece, it show what I mean. Even if they are in the shit, nobody want even a compromise to get better. That's comparing to if you asked all porn company to low their revenues by 40%, because the market is going down. Ok it make sense, but even myself I cannot do that, otherwise I'll have to laid-off half of the company.

I understand your intention is really good, but you need support. You need to be help by big player that has influence over the world. This include influence in the porn, in the politics, in the ISPs, everywhere. A good start could be to prove that tube site are illegal, and block from ISPs all traffic that goes to it, but how we do it ? I think that even Obama cannot save this business.

Again very good intention, but from the mouth (not mine) of Americans big players, US porn company are lazy and will not act.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Gasper

Yeah, there's many other things to do on internet now - but if you're horny and wanna jerk off you still have to watch porn. Or do you jerk off to facebook now?

I grew up well before the Internet and really didn't have any porn, and myself and rosy seemed to get along just fine.

Lots of people are watching porn and not beating off... it's an erotic fix for them, not always a release time.

Speaking of facebook, people jerk off to female wood elf video game characters in rpg games. They jerk it showers, in public bathrooms and all over the place, without Internet Porn.

So when they get online... they just don't give a shit about porn - they got online for facebook and that's what contains them the entire time. 10-15 years ago you got online... to look at porn - not anymore.

[leonxm]

i am thinking to close my tubes, convert ration is bad, just pay from my pocket to show people free porn !

[Dirty Lord]

huge text

[leonxm]

well the concept how much Free Porn we give to surfer grew and grew over the years, from free pics to galleries to video clips, now even legal tube gives 3-5min clips ,whats next ? 10-20 min free ? and next ?

[just a punk]

No offense but that won't work. Even if that could be possible, you can't stop amateur porn. Now everyone has a HD cam and lots of people use it to shoot sex and some of them are willingly putting it into the Net. How can you stop them if they DO NOT NEED MONEY FOR THEIR CONTENT? If the commercial porn will die, the free one will take its place (which is ALREADY happening).

Think about books for example. The most famous ones (e.g. War and Peace, Romeo and Juliet etc) were written not for money. The modern copyright system exists for only about 200 years or so. Do you really think that 200 years ago there was no poems, rhymes, music etc???

People won't stop shoot port if the they won't be paid for it. PERIOD.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

No offense but that won't work. Even if that could be possible, you can't stop amateur porn. Now everyone has a HD cam and lots of people use it to shoot sex and some of them are willingly putting it into the Net. How can you stop them if they DO NOT NEED MONEY FOR THEIR CONTENT? If the commercial porn will die, the free one will take its place (which is ALREADY happening).

Think about books for example. The most famous ones (e.g. War and Peace, Romeo and Juliet etc) were written not for money. The modern copyright system exists for only about 200 years or so. Do you really think that 200 years ago there was no poems, rhymes, music etc???

People won't stop shoot port if the they won't be paid for it. PERIOD.

very few people shoot themselves fucking to put it online for free. most of the oh look i filmed my girl fucking is from some site.Of course the people wrote those books got paid thats how they made their living.not big living but they got paid or had patrons.
also copy write law has been around much longer than that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright_law

[leonxm]

homemade cant replace all porn, commercial porn can't die but online porn must take few steps back to get the sales in place, and its not only the illegal tubes, any tube with 3min clips much easier to use than any paysite with high quality HD movies

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by tony404

very few people shoot themselves fucking to put it online for free. most of the oh look i filmed my girl fucking is from some site.Of course the people wrote those books got paid thats how they made their living.not big living but they got paid or had patrons.

Oh.... seems you just have to discover so-called swinger community

As about amateur videos. Look at youtube. How many people shoot something and put there? Do they get paid? No, they don't. Believe me, if youtube will allow porn, 90% of all amateur content there will be XXX rated. This is how the human being is created: first - our instincts, second - everything else.

Originally Posted by tony404

also copy write law has been around much longer than that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright_law

The same law as NOW? In ALL countries? Many people make compose music, write books, sing the songs etc for fun, while they make the money for living elsewhere. I don't know about your country, but in Russia there are many of them.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Oh.... seems you just have to discover so-called swinger community

As about amateur videos. Look at youtube. How many people shoot something and put there? Do they get paid? No, they don't. Believe me, if youtube will allow porn, 90% of all amateur content there will be XXX rated. This is how the human being is created: first - our instincts, second - everything else.
No they wouldn't make porn for free. People think people who make porn are all rich. Most of the swingers stuff you see besides being members of the site, like swappernet you cant right click on anything on the site. So thats for that closed community to get other people to fuck not giving away video for all to see.

The same law as NOW? In ALL countries? Many people make compose music, write books, sing the songs etc for fun, while they make the money for living elsewhere. I don't know about your country, but in Russia there are many of them.

There wasn't a internet so it was a very different story.But whatever the cat is let out of the bag and aint going back lol.

[leonxm]

if commercial porn will die, where does tubes gonna get their content ?