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Old 06-12-2010, 09:24 AM   #201
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Okay, hypothetically speaking, your kid has an undiagnosed brain disorder and one day his brain spikes and he starts throwing rocks at cops and they shoot him. Would you agree that his killing was justified?
Kids don't just do that, my kid has a sweet disposition, unless you fuck with her and then she'll tear your head off.
You're not going to get anywhere with this logic, because to me, throwing a rock at a cop is like standing in the middle of the freeway, it's stupid and unsafe.
The cop is an authority figure and like it or not, he can't take shit like that, if he does, it will happen more, general nature of things.
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Old 06-12-2010, 09:29 AM   #202
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Maybe we should have pointed guns back.
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Old 06-12-2010, 09:54 AM   #203
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All the agent had to do was move away from the rock throwing instead of killing the kid.

There was no reason for him to hold his ground and shoot. He should be extradited to Mexico and face murder charges there.

And before someone says that rocks are deadly and warrant the use of deadly force in return, would you support an American cop shooting an American boy for throwing rocks at him? No! But because this was a filthy Mexican you don't care.

Let me repeat.... Your 15-year-old son goes outside and starts throwing rocks at the local police and they kill him. What do you think about that?
It's a little different in that an American cop would have the option of advancing on the kid and using a different (non-lethal) means to neutralize the situation. The BP agent does not have that option as they were not on US soil and he is not authorized to pursue into another country.
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Old 06-12-2010, 10:08 AM   #204
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Alright to lazy to read this whole thread. Is there or NOT a video/picture of a BP agent shooting a kid on Mexican soil?
grainy at a distance cell phone video that really doesn't show anything for sure
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Old 06-12-2010, 10:16 AM   #205
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well just calling it what it is man, when people use the bible to back up their claims I just call it like i see it.

David vs Goliath is a fable, like unicorns and fairies.
Just because it is in the Bible automatically means it did not happen? Interesting concept.
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Old 06-12-2010, 11:14 AM   #206
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i am not the most knowledgeable with army gear, but it was like this, it velcroed shut and was huge thick plates with kevlar lining etc... weighed like 35 lbs



but it could be newer than this one, but gives an idea, I took a pic its on my cellphone

its the "new" ones, whatever they look like



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But what if they shoot him in the face?
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Old 06-12-2010, 11:21 AM   #207
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If you're dumb enough to throw rocks at someone who has a gun, you deserve to die. Doesn't matter what side of the border you're from. It's that simple.
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Old 06-12-2010, 11:32 AM   #208
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If you're dumb enough to throw rocks at someone who has a gun, you deserve to die. Doesn't matter what side of the border you're from. It's that simple.
Defense should be adequate in every way. So noone should shoot a guy with rock in his hand. Normal countries have this defined by laws.
But I'm not sure if there are any laws at bang_cock.
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Old 06-12-2010, 12:29 PM   #209
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Defense should be adequate in every way. So noone should shoot a guy with rock in his hand. Normal countries have this defined by laws.
But I'm not sure if there are any laws at bang_cock.
Yes.... if you have a gun and someone throws a rock at you..... you should be able to paid the wall with his/her brains. Why? Because a blow to the head from a rock can cause serious damage to you or worse.... kill you.

Throwing water balloons or flowers.... totally different. But rocks.... you die.
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Old 06-16-2010, 02:29 PM   #210
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all i read on here are pure ignorance. Come on people....yeah, i say people because Mexicans, Americans...wherever you come from are humans. That 14 year old has a mother, father, brother and sister that's going to miss him. That border agent has to deal with that shit for the rest of h/er natural life no matter how cold hearted he thinks h/she is.

Let's come together as a people to solve the world's issues. Mexicans kill Americans, Americans kill Mexicans. Palestinians Kill Israelis and Israelis kill Palestinians. All that killing has to stop. What's worst about it is all the IGNORANCE like this on the board that is fueling all the killing.

STOP STOP STOP STOP TALKING/WRITING UNLESS YOU HAVE A REAL SOLUTION.
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Old 06-16-2010, 04:33 PM   #211
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How may Mexicans die from American fugitives who flee there?
Probably some where around ZERO ... you have obviously not travelled to Mexico.

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It wasn't about crossing illegally... he was attacking the BP agents with rocks, the BP agent protected himself.

Why does the location of the person being shot make a difference if it's murder or not? If you're throwing rocks from any location at the military or police, in any country - it's not ever going to be murder. Are you actually reading what you write?
It matters because under the Border Treaty the US has with Mexico for our agent to be in Mexico for any reason is a violation of that treaty and is an illegal act. If the agent was in Mexico then it could be murder even if he was just defending himself. Just like if you are robbing a bank and the secuirty guard pulls his weapon to shoot you. If you kill him it is murder because you did it while in the commision of a crime regardless of the fact that he was going to kill you.

I am reading alot of posts where people are making a judgement with out all the facts ... that is always a bad thing no matter which side you take.

I feel sad that a 14 year old boy has lost his life .. that is just a terrible thing for any reason.

I am afraid things are going to get much worse before they get any better because I think a majority of Americans are pretty much fed up with illegal immigrants. I know I am.

I have lived in San Diego for 13 years and there are parts of town that you can't even find someone who speaks English not to mention all the community resources they use and do not even help pay for because they mosty work under the table and do not pay any taxes. And then they don't even help the local ecomomy because most of the money they make goes to Mexico.

12 years ago I found myself between jobs and without health insurance ... I had a heart attack. I got great medical attention but I could not pay and the hospital took my house (20% down payment and 7 years of equity..... gone). In that same year San Diego county paid 34 million dollars for the medical care and treament of illegal aliens. If I would have been an illegal ... my medical expense would have been covered. No such luck for a hard working LEGAL RESIDENT.

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Old 06-16-2010, 04:40 PM   #212
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This is not really new.... The drug lords have been paying the Mexican army for protection on the border for quite some time.



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Old 06-16-2010, 05:20 PM   #213
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I say kill anyone that tries to illegally cross the border! How ya like me now?!
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Cant trust anything the Mexican authorities and media say.
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Probably some where around ZERO ... you have obviously not travelled to Mexico.



It matters because under the Border Treaty the US has with Mexico for our agent to be in Mexico for any reason is a violation of that treaty and is an illegal act. If the agent was in Mexico then it could be murder even if he was just defending himself. Just like if you are robbing a bank and the secuirty guard pulls his weapon to shoot you. If you kill him it is murder because you did it while in the commision of a crime regardless of the fact that he was going to kill you.

I am reading alot of posts where people are making a judgement with out all the facts ... that is always a bad thing no matter which side you take.

I feel sad that a 14 year old boy has lost his life .. that is just a terrible thing for any reason.

I am afraid things are going to get much worse before they get any better because I think a majority of Americans are pretty much fed up with illegal immigrants. I know I am.

I have lived in San Diego for 13 years and there are parts of town that you can't even find someone who speaks English not to mention all the community resources they use and do not even help pay for because they mosty work under the table and do not pay any taxes. And then they don't even help the local ecomomy because most of the money they make goes to Mexico.

12 years ago I found myself between jobs and without health insurance ... I had a heart attack. I got great medical attention but I could not pay and the hospital took my house (20% down payment and 7 years of equity..... gone). In that same year San Diego county paid 34 million dollars for the medical care and treament of illegal aliens. If I would have been an illegal ... my medical expense would have been covered. No such luck for a hard working LEGAL RESIDENT.
The BP Agent was standing on the U.S. side and shot him on the Mexico side.

And yeppers, illegals have far more rights and freedoms than we do... it's sad.
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Really amazed by the amount of people cheering for a boy being shot just because he was throwing rocks ...


... in my book, that's called excessive force
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all i read on here are pure ignorance. Come on people....yeah, i say people because mexicans, americans...wherever you come from are humans. That 14 year old has a mother, father, brother and sister that's going to miss him. That border agent has to deal with that shit for the rest of h/er natural life no matter how cold hearted he thinks h/she is.

Let's come together as a people to solve the world's issues. Mexicans kill americans, americans kill mexicans. Palestinians kill israelis and israelis kill palestinians. All that killing has to stop. What's worst about it is all the ignorance like this on the board that is fueling all the killing.

Stop stop stop stop talking/writing unless you have a real solution.
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The BP Agent was standing on the U.S. side and shot him on the Mexico side.

And yeppers, illegals have far more rights and freedoms than we do... it's sad.
Stop hating.
You're just pissed your German daddy dumped your momma .

Does it make you an anchor baby ???
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Stop hating.
You're just pissed your German daddy dumped your momma .

Does it make you an anchor baby ???
Is this your lame attempt to take away the focus of your families lack of citizenship?
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Is this your lame attempt to take away the focus of your families lack of citizenship?
bomb where were you born? please dont say east l.a.
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A lot of morons in this thread. Do any of you have any idea how many innocent American citizens were killed in the hands of the drug cartels on American soil? How many women, children were kidnapped, raped, etc? Do you remember sometime ago when houses were shot up by the drug cartel armed like the Mexican military on American soil?

A couple Mexicans get murdered, (VERY UNFORTUNATE) and you idiots pull the race card and act like hostile actions are justifiable. As if they were murdered because they were "Mexicans".

Un-fucking-believable. Some of you people are exactly what's wrong with the country today.
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Is this your lame attempt to take away the focus of your families lack of citizenship?
We both know he is not coming back.
So does that make you half-illegal ?
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Hospital.
Where did you momma popped you? Back alley?
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