Amputate Your Head

Yes!

And Yes!

And seriously... This whole incident is bullshit. The Border Patrol had better be aware of what the current atmosphere is. If they are not, then they shouldn't even be there in the first place. You don't send the fucking Boy Scouts down to secure the U.S. Border. If they are not properly equipped, which is where this is leaning now, then what is the point? The whole damn thing is a joke and a waste of money.

I've been called every name in the book on this board for a very wide array of things, but if nothing else, there is one thing I know in this world without question.

If you want to secure the border of a country, you fucking arm it with soldiers and lock it the fuck down. Period. Anything less is just song and dance.

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it has been doing so for a very long time, and the US is losing its war on drugs too. no one will win the war on drugs, the people want it, look at the stats on alcohol and drug abuse, American LOVE drugs and alcohol, neither are going anywhere, and Prohibition didnt work first time and it aint working this time.

even Bush liked cocaine and alcohol, when even presidents are getting high (Obama smoked pot, Bush cocaine, Clinton pot etc...) you know its going nowhere.

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Vendzilla

we bailed out mexico in 94 already, it didn't work, they are too corrupt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_ec...isis_in_Mexico

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Amputate Your Head

The implication here is that the people who are in charge, the people that actually run The United States, are not too interested in "securing our border". It's more like, everyone is kind of on the honor system, but if we catch you, we'll send you back. It's obviously not a priority. And it obviously never has been.

Jesus christ I'm talking to myself now.

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crockett

No, I do feel bad for the parents of the kid and if the officer was in the wrong then he should be punished. "However" and this is a very big 'however" the parents are just as much to blame here for letting their kid try to cross the boarder illegally.

Not to mention the Mexican people are just as much to blame for supporting a basic mind-set of feeling it's ok if they break the law in the US and come across our boarders illegally just because they want something here.

TBH, this shit has gone on far too long. As I say I've always been very forgiving toward illegals because I know not everyone is lucky to be born into the same privileges and rights we have here in the US. I can't blame anyone for want to better them selves.

However, I think this shit has gone on long enough. Illegals are like the drunk guy that just doesn't know when the party is over. He just keeps hanging around bugging you til you have to get rough and kick his ass out.

Mexico, doesn't give a fuck about stopping them because they love the money that is sent back from illegals working in this country. Much less Mexico does little to nothing to change their own country for the better.

It's about time they start having to be accountable for their own problem instead of sucking off the US's tit and expecting us to look the other way because of convenience.

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Big difference between a bailout and helping systemic economic free market reforms. The same difference between a hand out (doesn't work/will never work) and a hand up (singapore, so korea, hong kong, japan, ireland, and all other previously poor "shit holes" that made it to the top). Free markets and capitalism work. Too bad, third world shitholes (my own country not exempted) are run by elites who are afraid of competition--they'd rather see their people migrate out than open the markets. That's the real problem.

Border Patrol can shoot (in self-defense or otherwise) as many border crossers they want, and the states can pass as many Arizona-type laws as they want, it won't fix the real problem. The real problem is that ECONOMIC MIGRATION is an unstoppable force. You fix it by helping ensure conditions that would enable people to make the RATIONAL ECONOMIC DECISION to stay home. And that answer is a DEVELOPED AND RICH MEXICO. All other options will fail--short of putting landmines on the border and treating like the No Korea/So Korea DMZ. People are ECONOMIC ANIMALS. So, the solution is ECONOMIC.

Mexico is a typical 3rd world country like my own--a small mafia owns the economy. Help the government break their grip and let Mexicans help themselves through a more open economy and you'll see less people want to cross the border. Crossing the border isn't easy--both physically and emotionally. A good economy makes it way way easier to stay at home.

So we can continue to treat this problem like a DRUG WAR problem--pour money at it, shit happens and people get killed. Or we can treat it like what it really is--an ECONOMIC IMBALANCE problem. The only solution is real CAPITALISM.

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The problem is the Mexican govt didn't step up and create the solutions to fix their own problems.

In the 80's and even 90's it is was kinda popular for US companies to set up factories in Mexico. The Mexican govt didn't see the long term help this would bring their country and instead kept up with their corrupt business as usual.

US businesses decided they could find a better deal in other places like China, India ect..ect. The difference is these other countries stepped up to the plate and delivered trained, skilled workers at the cheap prices.

Mexico had every opportunity in the world to have what unfortunately China is getting today in regards to manufacturing of various items for the US market. The simple fact is the market was there for Mexico to take and they couldn't give up the corrupt bull shit so the US businesses found other places to work with.

It would have been a win/win if the US could have shipped it's offshore work to Mexico.. The problem is Mexico didn't step up to the plate. Instead they wanted more for nothing.

Amputate Your Head

Someone will no doubt take this the wrong way, but here goes anyway.

Those border-crossers have literally nothing to lose. You can't force morals on someone and especially not on someone that's starving and willing to risk his life. Why do you think someone who has nothing to lose and everything to gain should give one shit about our "law"?

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I concede that the POLITICAL will is missing from the Mexican side. NAFTA would have helped develop Mexico but the usual vested interests, monopolies, giant unions, and bureaucracy (on both sides of the border really) put up a fight and stonewalled. The Free traders prevailed on the US side but those on the Mexican side didn't want to go all the way. Hence, you have Carlos Slim owning Mexico and people are crossing the border because they've lost hope.

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Not exactly Singapore in terms of ease of business, transparency, and lack of corruption That's why the oligopolies are making life hell here for a lot of people. The key thing to keep in mind is that this is a common pattern in many poor economies (Mexico and the Philippines and others). Unequal economic playing field, monopolies, and lots of barriers to real competition. Wages stay low, jobs are few, prices are high. When people migrate out and send money back, monopolists are happy cuz there's even more money to fuel the system.

That's why I think ECONOMIC REFORMS are the real solution to illegal immigration BUT, as pointed above, it takes TWO TO TANGO. There has to be political will in the country where the migrants are coming from in order to produce the much needed economic reforms.

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Amputate Your Head

I gotta bounce. Time to start prepping for this thing we're catering. Fantastic thread today Vendzilla, and thanks to all the participants.

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Yep. It takes two to tango. So focus should be on the US telling Mexico's government to stop propping up the monopolies so much and start fixing up your economy, we'll help you with trade deals that produce a win/win but you have to have the political will to fix your economy.

Since most poor countries' governments are propped up or closely intertwined with oligarchs, it's gonna be tough. But..... just because it's hard, doesn't mean it's impossible.

Free market-based Economic reform is truly the only sustainable solution to third world poverty. But... as mentioned above, it takes two to tango.

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Amputate Your Head

Oh! Oh! Oh! Can't help it.... just thought of something that puts the final nail in my last point and had to run in here.... the title of the thread itself.

"....chases off U.S. Border Patrol"

That's embarrassing.

No one ever "chased off" the U.S. Military and certainly not on our own turf. When the people in charge want to become serious about securing the border, they know who to send. Having the Border Patrol or the TSA or any other glorified Mall Cop down there is mainly for appearances. I don't think anyone in Washington is dumb enough to think millions of illegals somehow got here by magic.

okay, seacrest out

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TheDoc

Bah... I agree with ya that our Gov has ignored the border issue, at just about every turn.

This is why 'we' need to support them, like supporting our troops. They're doing a dangerous job that's only getting worse and the funding, equipment, man power and fed support isn't keeping up at all.

I'm not saying you have to agree with the action that BP agent took... but you can't ignore that the event overall was happening and that's just a few minutes in a day at one location across the border.

If they really don't have the proper equip - then all the more respect.

~ Nite

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(okay, I'm back, easy menu.)

Doc, I do support them. I really do. Just like I said about the police yesterday in a full paragraph at the bottom of that other thread, that nobody probably saw. (I don't remember the thread title) But I can never support what that agent did.

On a completely different note, if the BP Agency is the wrong tool for the job, then we need to first define once and for all what "the job" is, then take appropriate action. (Action = Option)

Action 1: We go into hyper-paranoia military state, send the military down there and secure the border. Not real appetizing for international relations. Really kind of validates all the shit some of these countries talk about us. Actual legal travel and tourism and commerce and trade might just take a ding from that. I don't see a single good thing about that.

Action 2: If instead we're going to somehow assimilate Mexico basically, (to boil it down to its basest brevity), then there is no further need for all the misery and death and border "war" and Mexican hunting. Border Patrol can operate as intended, instead of trying to do a job they cannot do.

or....

Action 3: Continue doing what we are doing right now. If there is anyone that truly believes it's working, I would be honest to Jebus shocked.

As for the kid, let me just ask you one question:

Our airports are our border as well, as you are aware. TSA and U.S. Customs are the airport equivalent of the Border Patrol. Here's my question, if a 14/15 (I'm hearing both from different sources) year old illegal kid was in the airport, and grabbed a Sno-Globe from a gift shop and threw it at a Customs Agent, would you be just fine if that agent shot the kid while he was running away through the airport?

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Did you read the whole story? I would wait until the video or the whole story is out before I passed judgement on the Border Patrol.


A U.S. official close to the investigation told the AP that authorities have a video showing that the Border Patrol agent did not cross into Mexico. In fact, the official said, the video shows what appear to be members of Mexican law enforcement crossing onto the U.S. side, picking something up and returning to Mexico. The official was not cleared to speak about the video and spoke only on condition of anonymity.

Alejandro Pariente, Chihuahua state's regional deputy attorney general, said the U.S. Border Patrol has given him video which he is reviewing. He declined to describe it except to say that it has sped up the investigation.

TheDoc

We the people, for sure those here.. already know BP and the States along the border need far more support, if it's Military, more BP, better training, more equip, everything. We know we need it, Washington though has been singing a different song for decades though.

If a group of young teenage boys started attacking the agents at the airport while arresting someone, after being ordered to stop throwing things but they didn't, and for some reason nobody else stopped them... then of course. You could apply that to any situation with Police type authority, put it in the streets, in a mall, airport or personally on private property. If deadly force was used, then so be it.

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Amputate Your Head

Thank you. That clarifies your position.
I do not want to live in a police state. That is my position.

I don't consider rocks or Sno-Globes thrown by boys to qualify as deadly force. A child that age can only throw a rock as big as he can lift. The bigger the rock, the less distance it will travel, and with less velocity. When the BP or the Customs agent start doing things like shooting children, the next batch of children at our border will not be bringing rocks.

They'll be bringing AK-47s.

If you think they have a hard job now, rocks are the least of their worries. Wait till they start laying IEDs for the BP.

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Vendzilla

All this talk about rocks and what little damage they can do, um, David used a rock to bring down Goliath. It isn't about the size of the rock, it's about where it hits you and yes you can kill someone with one.
I mean , go to some countries and thats how they KILL people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning
You just don't throw rocks at people with guns

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Coup

You do realize that's just a fairytale, right?

one person at that distance throwing at a moving target is gonna have a real hard time killing anyone with a fucking rock.

organized group of people tossing rocks at close range at one stationary target isn't even applicable to this situation.


fact of the matter is this border guard murderer could've just left. he had no right to shoot across the fucking border to kill anyone.

Fletch XXX

that is biblical bullshit and not a true story.

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Vendzilla

You're too much iof a fucking moron to even reply to

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think about that

Vendzilla

No Shit!
I was trying to prove a point, when I was a kid, we threw rocks at things, we got good at it, remember having a sling shot? I remember my wrist rocket, use to kill crows with it, got money from the farmers for dead crows. These kids probably do the same thing we did as kids, set up targets and throw rocks at it.

And my point is
Dont' spit in the wind, don't tug on supermans cape, don't pull the mask off the lone rangers and never throw rocks at people with guns

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think about that

Vendzilla

They have been attacking the border patrol with rocks for a while, that video is over a year old, put your self in the BP shoes, you get attacked every day, the fact there isn't more shooting on the part of the BP is amazing.

But you guys don't give a shit about the border agents getting killed or injured

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think about that

Amputate Your Head

Let's say the kid was a crack shot with a rock, and he could kill someone if he got lucky.
That video tells me that the violence is escalating. The agent in the video said so himself. Don't you think the actions of the BP have some responsibility in that? Killing that kid is more than just bad PR. It fuels rage and hatred toward the BP and inspires them (illegals) to bump up the violence even more. Like I said before, if the BP starts killing them for rocks, next time they'll bring something more effective, like wires placed to decapitate agents on motorcycles. Or IEDs.

Perhaps a more appropriate response to a kid throwing a rock would be to knock him down with a beanbag or two and let him think about it for a while. No one has declared war against Mexico. This is supposed to be peace time between Mex & US. When Congress declares war (or the President if you think like Bush) against Mexico, then sure.... go wild. Shoot to kill anyone that tries to step over.

There is more at stake here than one agent "fearing for his life". And he should know it. And when BP units start exploding, you'll be right back here asking "why are they blowing up our BP?" At which point the BP will be authorized to shoot to kill anything that moves, and we're living in a permanent war zone. Lay down a nice wide strip of landmines and concertina wire on our border, and let's lock the door. Yay America. We will have succeeded in becoming North Korea.

One small step for the BP, one giant leap backwards for mankind.

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as we can see in the video the border patrol agent shot him for no reason on mexican soil.

Border patrol agents like cops have very specific rules for firing their weapon. This guy chose to ignore those rules, he should be tried for murder.

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Vendzilla

If they got lucky? I guess you failed to see the BP agents head split open?
You are over the top with this one. You think its the BP's fault for doing their job that their is violence at the border?
If they stay away from the border, then the violence stops. "PERIOD"
We aren't bringing the crime, they are.
They are committing the crime, to turn your head from that fact makes NO sense

And don't give me that next time "BULLSHIT" , they are already bringing violence to cities in the US, or have you turned a blind eye to the killings and rapes and murders that illegal aliens are bringing to US soil, we already live in a military state, problem is that Mexico is the only military that has shown up so far.

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think about that

SmokeyTheBear

heres an idea, figure out how far the kids can throw rocks, lets say it is 100 ft , then move 101 ft away. problem solved.

how do you know what we "give a shit" about ? if a bpa was shot from mexcian soil i would be just as offended. The fact is the border agent was not killed or seriously injured , an unarmed child was shot in the head and killed. shame shame.

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Amputate Your Head

And as I have said, you can't force morals on these people. (or any other people). Saying things like "if they stay away from the border", is ridiculous. You think by killing that kid all the sudden they are all going to sit down to a meeting at Starbucks and go, "Well, all in favor of staying away from the border...."

What world are you living in man?

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well just calling it what it is man, when people use the bible to back up their claims I just call it like i see it.

David vs Goliath is a fable, like unicorns and fairies.

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Vendzilla

I wasn't aiming that at you, just pissed that people actually think that we shouldn't stop illegals from entering our country

I don't see where it matters what the age of the kid was, is it the job of the BPA to card the person throwing the rock before protecting themselves? Oh wait, they can't card them according to Obama

Also, staying 100ft away? Are you kidding? If they stay 100ft away, then the illegals move 100ft more, the line has been drawn, it's called the "BORDER". A pacifist approach will not work, thats what we have been doing and it's getting worse, US citizens are getting killed

WTF? you think this is about MORALS?

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think about that

Vendzilla

Sorry, I get worked up when people are backing an illegal alien over the border patrol before we know all the facts. They have a hard job, if I had a bunch of people throwing rocks at me on a daily basis, I would open fire on someone

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think about that

Amputate Your Head

What else would you like call it? It's our law, but why do you think someone that has so little to lose and everything to gain would or should give a damn about the border-crossing "law"?

"Because it's the law, that's why."

They don't care.

"Well, they should."

But they don't. And it's pretty damn obvious by the numbers of illegals here. So pushing your "law" or "morals" on them is a losing ineffective plan all around. It doesn't work, and it never will.

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1. I am not "backing" an illegal alien. Technically he wasn't an illegal since he was on Mexico's turf, not ours. He was a perfectly legit Mexican citizen (as far as immigration status is concerned) in his own territory.

2. Border Patrol has no business shooting across the border. This isn't a fucking game.

3. There are consequences for stuff like this. You want Mexican's to stop attacking the BP, fix the problem instead of hating on Mexicans. They are doing what they need to do to survive, the same as anyone else in that position would do. If I was starving and had no prospect for the future, you bet your ass I'd be crossing that border. BP is nothing more than a bureaucratic obstacle when your life is at stake.

Either get the BP out of there and put someone in that can secure the border 100% with a shoot-to-kill policy, up front and known to everyone, or fix Mexico so this shit becomes a non-issue. BP is clearly out of their league at this stage. Mexico will not "fix" themselves. The only way this works is if we work together or go fully militant against Mexico.

Supporting the actual men & women doing the job is good, and I do. But it is also completely irrelevant to the bigger picture.

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Yup, and Cocaine Import Agency try to kill all the kingpins just to get rid of competition.
And we can thank bosses of GWB for saving heroin production in Afganistan, so there is more heroin for kids round the world.

Vendzilla

So you're saying we can't secure the border? You were in the military, you know we can, some people may not like it, but we can do it.

We don't know all the facts, probably never will, it's a war zone there and should be treated as such, using a weapon, either a rock or an AK-47, should be met with extreme prejudice, that can't be tolerated. When I was a bartender and a fight broke out, I hit the bigger of the two and that stopped the fight, I was doing so to protect the other customers.
Violence works, remember the freeways shootings of the late 80's? Everyone started driving politely, it's kinda funny really. I had a tank for truck and would have just plowed into an car shooting at me
As far as Mexico's problem, they are just that, Mexico's problems, we tried to fix it in 94 by bailing them out with 20 billion dollars and getting them a total of 50 billion, they too fucked up to fix.

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Amputate Your Head

Yeah, I know we can secure it. But not with an improperly equipped, under-staffed agency who has no real clear goal, just a vague mission that is bigger than themselves. You don't need me to tell you that the BP is ineffective. The millions of illegals already here are testament to that fact.


I have to disagree entirely. Violence does not work. Violence begets more violence. Gang violence doesn't decrease when a rival gang is attacked. Prison violence doesn't decrease when a skinhead gets shanked. The Taliban is not putting together fruit baskets for us, they're trying to kill us.

I'm not a diplomat or a politician. But Mexico's problems are also our problems. We live next to them, they're crosssing our border, living in our country, etc, etc, etc... that makes it our problem. Maybe '94 wasn't the right time. Maybe $50 billion wasn't enough. How much did we give AIG? BOA? GM? Fannie Mae? Freddie Mac? All the others? Maybe they thought throwing money at it alone would work, when it needs more thought out planning and cooperation and coordination. I don't know. But I refuse to believe that we can't work with Mexico in some way to bring them up to our standards and eliminate this shit. We don't have a border war with Canada do we? Do you think that might be because the Canadians are not living in abject poverty? Or just because they're "nice people"?

I believe it's worth trying whatever it takes to make it work. This is our border and our country we're talking about. We can either do it peacefully, or fuck it up and militarize it. Which do you prefer?

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Vendzilla

Yeah too bad we have had no presidents with the balls to do something about it, instead they beef up airport security and tell us we are safer, bull shit

That's different on all accounts, you're talking religion with those, gangs are their own religion, Taliban, same thing, Prisons? Think you're reaching.
Want to stop the gangs, send the illegal aliens back to Mexico and that will stop over half of the problem, want to stop the Taliban, shoot a group of them in a pig pit and let them rot, they can't get into heaven

Mexico is not our problem, we have done more for that country than any other, the main purpose, at least that was the selling point, of NAFTA was for that, but they fucked that up. Now we are suffering and we need to just secure the border. If we moved all the military training their, I mean it's just like Iraq, that would curb a lot of it, too bad we don't have president with balls!!

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Amputate Your Head

And never have. When was the last time our leaders went on tv and announced, "We are happy to report, our border with Mexico is now secure." ? Never.

That's what I was saying earlier. It's not an "Obama" thing or a "Bush" thing.... that border has never been secure because the people that run the country are not interested enough in securing it. Simple as that. Obama is not so blind that he thinks the BP is working. They just don't care enough to fix it. If it was a real concern to them now or at any time in the past, they would have locked it down by now. It's not that they don't know how.

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Amputate Your Head

Anyway, this was still a great discussion thread V. I enjoyed it and thank you for your point of view. Ultimately, nothing is going to change until the people in Washington decide to change it. (one way or the other). Things like the new law in AZ and shooting a rock-throwing kid on the other countries turf only fuels more hatred and tensions on both sides, they are not a solution. They are a bandaid on a severed femoral artery.

The border wars will continue, more agents will be killed, more Mexicans will be killed, more US citizens will be killed and ransomed, and the drug lords just keep getting richer, smarter, and better armed. And nothing will change. It will only continue to get worse. No one wants to listen, and too many people don't realize what it is they're wishing for.

Wish for a permanently militarized nation, we just might get it. There's no going back after we do that. Our sons and daughters will be assigned to tours of duty on the border for generations to come. Mexico will have to reciprocate, kick all of our people out of Mexico (also millions), and arm their side of the border with their military as well.

The future is not bright. Too many people feel that Mexico "isn't our problem", and the only solution is more guns. So the only option left available is a police state. Then it becomes "our problem" forever. Get used to the phrase, "Vhere ah your papers?."

Oh, we'll be secure then, no doubt. And we'll also be the hypocritical assholes of the world, just like the crazies out there have been saying all along. The US promote peace & democracy? Yeah right... with a border no different than East Berlin a few decades ago. It goes against everything we stand for.

Wasn't it Reagan that said, "Tear down that wall."

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crockett

Yes I understand that and it's why I've always been very lenient in my thinking of illegals that just want to work. However it seems lately that we are just seeing more and more of an attitude from both the illegals and the Mexican govt that they should have the right to enter our country like this.

This is where the Mexican govt is to blame as they have taken little to no action in trying to build a stronger economic foundation for their own country. In stead they would rather sit back getting fat taking bribes from the drug cartel.

Vendzilla

Yeah, Reagan said it 20 years ago. I was in the Indian Ocean when he took office off the coast of Iran. I have nothing but love for Reagan, My daughter is serving on the USS Ronald Reagan. She got a ribbon for humanitarian efforts in the philippines. It's amazing what that ship is capable of.
Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986, but you know where that ended up, not enforced. I can't think of anything a president has really done about it since. I blame them all for it, not just Obama, although he's not handling it worth a shit, I'm still pissed about letting the Mexican President Bash Arizona law in congress, I would have stood up and asked that asshat about his immigration laws.
Right now a lot of people are pissed, people are getting together in groups like the Tea Party, and I love that.
I can only hope that their movement stays and it makes a difference, getting the government to listen to the people or find another job

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE

Retard, What do you expect them to say?
PS: We did find WMDs in Iraq, right?

JaneB

I hope that you are kidding. That cell phone video was so grainy you could not even tell if it was the same person that was shot. That could have been shot at any time.

Matt 26z

All the agent had to do was move away from the rock throwing instead of killing the kid.

There was no reason for him to hold his ground and shoot. He should be extradited to Mexico and face murder charges there.

And before someone says that rocks are deadly and warrant the use of deadly force in return, would you support an American cop shooting an American boy for throwing rocks at him? No! But because this was a filthy Mexican you don't care.

Let me repeat.... Your 15-year-old son goes outside and starts throwing rocks at the local police and they kill him. What do you think about that?

Vendzilla

My kid won't do that

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Matt 26z

Okay, hypothetically speaking, your kid has an undiagnosed brain disorder and one day his brain spikes and he starts throwing rocks at cops and they shoot him. Would you agree that his killing was justified?