Nathan

Ron,

As you pasted, YouTube does not say they remove all videos once they terminate access, they also do not say what a repeat infringer is. Unless I missed that part obviously.

And no, editorial rights, as per DMCA, is selecting content. We can for example not choose what content we like that gets uploaded and what we do not and then not let certain things come online. This is illegal as per DMCA. Deleting videos after the fact with a reason like "you uploaded 2000 videos and 2 were DMCA'd, obviously all other 1998 are infringing although interestingly enough we have only received 2 DMCA's in the last 2 months" does not sound so great to me. Of course we could just guess... but let's imagine this...

There is a user, he runs a service which uploads videos to tubes for content owners. The content owners hire him to upload. One of the content owners changes his mind and DMCA's the 2 videos he had him upload. So now we delete the other 1000 videos the user uploaded... We had no reason to do so in the end. Actually, in theory, one of the content owners could sue us because of unfair competition caused when we removed their video from our site and thus cost them branding views.

I know, I know, everyone will now again call me a thief and stupid and that I have no clue and that obviously I am just playing... still, I have the urge to comment... stupid me.

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gideongallery

your the one who is demanding that manwin change their policy because you believe no one will sue.

I am simply telling you to back your "Belief" with some cash.

violating the TOS would including leaving in a watermark.
there could be hundreds of videos that violate that term, so removing them could censor free speach too.

because i know people with money will simply sue even if they have no shot of winning just to try and censor fair use.

I am not paying for that.

Your the one claiming they won't sue, that the point, if you truely believed that put up the cash.

Anything less is basically asking manwin to create a liablity for themselves when they don't have too under the law.

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Robbie

Yeah, I know...programmer. Fringe involvement at best. And I don't think you're stupid at all..I think you're playing dumb.

Whatever.

You can take down any damn thing you please on YOUR site. Matter of fact you can SELECT SPECIFIC videos that you just don't like. Maybe they don't make your dick hard? Or maybe you just see them and realize they are STOLEN. There is no law on Earth that says you can't do whatever you please on YOUR sites.

The law is in place to protect you from lawsuits if a user uploads stolen content. It's just that simple. Everything else you are saying is not correct.

As I said before...what if tomorrow you found religion? And you decided you wanted to take every porn video off the site and put up only religious videos? Are you TRYING to tell me the DMCA "law" won't allow you to do that?

I can only shake my head at you for even saying you would need to ask an attorney.

The DMCA is not there to stop a site owner from changing his site in ANY way he sees necessary and you know that. It's there to keep HONEST site owners from being persecuted for the sins of an uploader.

And like most of the less ethical pirate sites out there you are twisting this around to suit your purpose of using stolen content to boost your traffic.

You must have laid the smack down HARD on Pink Visual.

Obviously you can still act like this and say and do the things you're doing and you're reputation is already shit in this business. Ain't much can be done to hurt you at this point.
But poor Top Bucks is being made to look like total fools by you. As are the FSC. And if you think these are just the opinions of this zoo called GFY...you should read the much more serious thread on the XBiz forum that has no trolls on it.

Honestly Fabian...you don't hurt my paysite business. I am untouchable because of our fan base.

But my work as an affiliate for hundreds of other programs...destroyed.

So you can laugh knowing that cost me a loss of over 60 grand a month compared to my 2007 figures on Stats Remote. Good job! Pornhubs traffic grew to unprecedented heights as my tgps dropped off the map.

So all affiliate programs...if you're wondering why I'm not sending you sales anymore, that's why. I'm promoting the fuck out of you...but who wants to look at your promo materials when they can watch full scenes right out of your members area at a pirate site?

Luckily for me...I make enough money that losing 60 grand a month still hasn't slowed me down. But I'm one in a million in my circumstances. All the folks out here that this kind of thing has crushed feel a lot differently toward you.

I can take you or leave you. I'm mostly just giving you grief because of the incredulous things you are saying and the shock I'm in over how you are treating Top Bucks and the FSC like bitches by embarrassing them so badly with your posts and the fact that you are STILL monetizing Pink Visual's property while they try to figure out how to run this software.

I got a big set of balls. But the guys at MANSEF always had a big ass set too. And you being the "guy" now...and the MANWIN company are showing that you not only don't give a flying fuck, but you are also happy to rub the nose of Top Bucks in the ground for daring to stand up to you.

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signupdamnit

Fabian,

Please talk it over with your lawyers but FYI here is an example of a suspended Youtube account:

https://youtube.com/user/Barbaricsshadow

Here is what ALL the user's videos come up as:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gXhoVgVp3cs

As you can see all the user's videos are taken down, including the channel. The user's content is no longer available.

Here are some of Youtube's guidilines:

http://www.google.com/support/youtub...y?answer=57391

http://help.youtube.com/support/yout...y?answer=92486

As you can see Youtube even specifies that a user MAY NOT reopen another user account after being terminated. Youtube even takes proactive steps to prevent them from doing so including banning the email used for the terminated account. There are even suggestions that if a user ever changes their email address to that old address after successfully opening an account under another email, the new account is also banned IMMEDIATELY.

I should also mention that after two strikes they prevent a user from uploading additional videos for a certain period of time.

Robbie

signupdamnit , Fabian would like to read the YouTube rules and how they handle this...but he's going to have to check with his lawyer before he can read it.

And even when he does read it, he's going to have to ask his lawyer what it means.

And then he will have to ask his lawyer if he can take a piss in the morning...you get the picture.

Bottom line, if your shit keeps getting uploaded to pornhub over and over and over again while you keep wasting your valuable time and effort dmca'ing the same shit down over and over and over again...Fabian is going to keep laughing and asking his lawyer which bank he should put all the money he's making off of your work into.

And by the way...don't you realize that Fabian has much better attorneys than You Tube/Google? His lawyer knows DMCA much better than they do. And in case none of you have been reading Fabian's posts...he has "owned" Manwin for a few months, before that he worked as a programmer for NATS. (the pay for a programmer there is apparently REAL good....ie: MILLIONS). But somehow he knows more about DMCA than all of us who have been doing this a lot longer than he has (not counting him writing scripts for TMM)

So to recap: Fabian can't do anything...and I mean anything without asking his lawyer. Fabian is super rich. And even though Fabian said he owns the company and he knows more about DMCA than any of us, he never seems to have the answers for any questions on how Pornhub works or whether he is allowed to delete anything he pleases to on "his" site.

Got it? I know I do.

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gideongallery

owning a hosting type site is significantly different then owning a link list or a tgp.

you remove a link your only reducing traffic your not censoring anyone, the persons content is still up on their own server.

the host taking the site down (which tube sites have to comply with since that the whole point of getting DMCA protection) has completely different liablities. The act of taking down the content actually censors the free speach associated with it.

so your totally wrong again.

your the guy who hires a divorce lawyer to do your copyright lawsuits
i would not trust the legal advice your giving.

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Robbie

gideongallery...you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

I haven't hired any "divorce" lawyer. lol

The guy I have taking care of collecting money for me is the same guy doing it for Hustler.

You are a complete moron.

Now get the fuck out of here! TheDoc OWNS YOU. He already proved that you are full of shit and you are his bitch.

Now please let the adults talk.

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

borked

hahahahahaha. See - I can't say that on GFY but I wanted to as free speech says I am allowed to, as long as I'm not inciting violence or something.

Surely what gets put up *on a private website* has the means to be vetted and edited and deleted according to the rules of the owner of that private website.

Shit, this isn't Speaker's Corner in Hyde Park we're talking about...

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Nathan

Robbie,

as I have said, I will be talking to our lawyers about the subject and react accordingly.

If you think that is not reasonable, then so be it.

BTW, Robbie, just because 10 or so people on GFY complain about us, TopBucks or FSC regarding this subject, does not mean the world hates us. We have many many people working with us from this industry. You might not like that but thats how it is.

Also, your continued tries to claim that you are somehow special in your knowledge of the adult entertainment industry and that I am somehow not allowed to know anything about it since I am "just a programmer" are getting ridiculous. You are not special, I am not special.

signupdamnit, thx for the reasonable and constructive posts.

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Robbie

Fabian, I never said anybody was "special"

I merely said your expertise is NOT in what you are currently being presented to the world to be.

You are a programmer. You have never and will never be a true pornographer. Just as I have never and will never be a programmer. You don't even know how things work yet. You're just being told and doing what you're told by a few different people obviously.

That's cool.

Even now you're double talking. You are an amazing character. YouTube's rules and how they do it were just pointed out to you.

But yet you can't understand that. You must ask your lawyers if it's legal to take down a video? Get the fuck out of here!

If you don't already know the answer to that is "yes, you can" then that just goes to show that you don't have a clue about what you're doing. That's why you can't seem to answer much of anything.

If you look back at your posts you are always telling people that you need to "find out" about specific questions.

Brother...I know EVERY detail of what I do and my company does.

And before you start telling me how "big" your company is... Bottom line is you have Brazzers, a few dead tgps, and some tube sites. If you think that's just too massive for you to have knowledge of everything...then I'm sorry. I know I would.

I personally think that the real folks there know exactly how things work and exactly what to have you say.

But IF I'm crazy, and IF a programmer for NATS somehow came up with millions of dollars to buy a company in the middle of a worldwide economic crisis AND being sued AND having the govt. come after them....well, in that case I suggest you stop posting and go LEARN your damn business and your company.

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

gideongallery

assuming that 1998 videos that were not DMCA down are automatically infringing is not the same thing as blocking something that violates TOS.

The point is proof, you word got blocked because it is proven to be a violation of the TOS (it a banned word)

a porn tube acts as a host (it has too to get the safe harbor provision) so consider that when you define the "privat website" should a host of say claudia-marie.com be allowed to take down the site willy nilly with no consequences simply because think she is old and flabby (doesn't get them hard in robbie's quote).

should robbie be denied the right to sue for the damages cause by that willy nilly takedown.


that the point, nat right, the rules are different then a board, a tgp, a link list,

they are more akin to what a hosting provider has to do, and if you believe that robbie host can simply take down his domain willy nilly with no consequence you are sadly mistake.

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Nathan

Robbie, you are hilarious...

I am not going to answer until I have talked to my lawyers about it, that's just how it is, accept it or not, I do not care. There is reasons for why I do it this way, and you will have to just accept this, it's in the end, none of your business how I get this done. I am saying I am getting it done though...

You know _NOTHING_ about me, you know _NOTHING_ about the lawsuits against Mansef, you know _NOTHING_ about Manwin... That is the only stuff you make blatantly obvious here. I have no need to explain myself to you. Just because I own a company, does not mean I know every single little detail about every single little aspect of the way it runs.

We own far more than "Brazzers, a few dead tgps and some tube sites"... I fully understand that you, running your small website(s) does not understand the scale of this, and the reasons for why I do not know all the ins and outs by heart and I do not blame you, we are completely different kinds of people. As you said, you are a true pornographer. Sure, I do not shoot content myself, I do nolonger code myself, I nolonger setup websites myself, I simply do not have the time for that nor would it be feasible in such a big corporation. But this is something you as a true pornographer will never understand. Simply because you do not see the bigger picture here.

BTW, regarding your "worldwide economoic crisis" ... do you realize that because of this crisis, there is a TON of money flowing around just LOOKING for someone to take it because all the funds out there have lost the places to invest in? Should think about that a little, if you can. Very few people here understand the mechanics of the deals that I have made, but trust me, its doable, and I'm continuing to do them. Obviously I could sit here and spell it all out for you, but honestly, I have no need to justify myself towards you. It might piss me off that you can not wrap your head around the process and therefor are making false claims, but this rant will have to do... since it's none of your business.

As I also said before, you know NOTHING about the lawsuits against Mansef. I spent days on just those lawsuits before I signed the purchase agreement. And I can assure you, _I_ know more about it than you.

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Robbie

Obsess much? Now get out of here. TheDoc is STILL waiting for your email months and months later. Get out of here you attention whore. TheDoc OWNS you.

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

borked

OK, I admit I'm no tin this field to know the ins and outs of DMCA - never said I did, but the hosting analogy seems wrong. If I was doing something illegal with my server, the ISP would be the first to know and they'd shut me off, right? I then went back to that ISP and got a new server and did the same, they'd shut me off again. The third time, they'd probably not take my business at all since they knew I was only in it to do things illegally.

Same with the law of my land and ADOPI.

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Half man, Half Amazing

For someone that claims to know everything about DMCA law you are completely hoping that no one in here is aware of the "counter claim" provision of the DMCA. Your "user" in this case could counter-claim for the other 1000 videos and you could restore them.

Case closed.

What's great is we're getting a lot of statements from you on the record. Keep 'em coming sucker.

Half man, Half Amazing

Hey Fabian...should I post the newspaper articles from Montreal where O U I S S A M, Manos and Keezer have to live with 24 hour armed security and how much their neighbors can't stand to live in the neighborhood anymore because of them?

Yeah you guys are really popular. Idiot.

Half man, Half Amazing

How's the money laundering case going?

Robbie

1. You're right it is none of my business. And you have every right to say so.

2.. I don't know anything about the day to day business of that company. But I have forgotten more about how to run my own companies than you have ever learned.

3. You absolutely don't have to explain yourself to me...BUT you damn sure should know that company inside and out. It ain't that big. A lot of money? Yeah. But actual work to be done and scope...YES you can know all about it.

4. No, you don't own "far more" than Brazzers, a few dead tgps, and some tube sites. That IS your entire adult business. You would think you at least understand that.

5. I've been running my own multi-million dollar adult companies since the mid 1990's when you were...who knows? And on through when you were an EMPLOYEE of NATS in the 2000's. Up until right now where you are still an employee sent here to be the scapegoat. How's that working out for ya?

6. The "mechanics" of the deals "you" made? Whatever Fabian. I can guarantee you I've bought and sold more shit than YOU have ever dreamed of in your little worker bee life. Especially real estate holdings I've bought and sold with money I've made from adult. I'm very much aware of what it takes to get those loans and the amount of money I had to have in my account and in annual income to be able to secure a Jumbo loan. I doubt VERY seriously you've ever made that kind of money in your entire life programmer. But if you say so...

As you said back at "1" It's none of my business


So let's just keep it to what I DO know. You CAN take down those videos. You ARE making Top Bucks/Pink Visual and the FSC look like fools. And you are making money off of stolen content.

I'll leave you alone. Again, I hope only the best for you and Brazzers. And I hope at the same time complete and utter ruin for you and Pornhub.
Enjoy yourself with this whole thing.

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

gideongallery

the counter claim provision of the DMCA is for counter claims to takedown requests.

Your asking him to take down the content WITHOUT the takedown request.

if you think otherwise why don't you back the cost of lawsuit that may happen .

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Robbie

gideon thedoc is looking for you. He OWNS you.

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Robbie

I will say this much for Fabian...

At least with him "in charge" there is a pretty good chance that "Manwin" will end up bankrupt.

At least judging by his great success as a master businessman behind FAO Cash

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=709857

Was it just a scant three years ago that you opened that up Mr. Bigshot?

Oh, that would be the same time I opened up Claudia-Marie.Com!

And her paysite has NETTED over 2 million dollars PROFIT for me in that time and is the number one big tit solo girl site in the world according to Alexa.

Meanwhile....what happened to FAO Cash again? Or am I not seeing that "big picture" that you are somehow so much smarter than all those of us who have consistently made millions of dollars over the years while you were an employee of other companies?

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

Tippy

The domain is regged at eNom, they are known for pulling the plug on sites/domains. If enough people contact them and claim that PH has their content illegally on their site I bet they would act on it, hell just send them a link to this thread/forum.

There is enough proof to show that the PH owners know for a fact that their site is full of illegal content.

eNom will not be able to avoid doing something about the claims.

Basically sick the bitch on them...

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"You agree that Pornhub may at its sole discretion have the right to refuse to publish, remove, or block access to any User Submission that is available via the Website or other Pornhub network or services at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all, with or without notice.
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Uh Uh Uh, lawyer this and lawyer that. Tell the truth spanky, you will not pull down videos from a known copyright infringer. The truth is painfully obvious, yet you squirm around it. Just tell us you dont care if most of the videos are stolen, that you aren't taking down anything until someone sends you a complaint. That if you did, you wouldn't have anything worth watching on your tubes. I would be satisfied with that explanation, a business decision. But to jerk us around with what you have stated above is an insult to our intelligence. Either that or you are really a stupid fuck.

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"You guys"? What do I have to do with the old owners of Mansef? Nothing. What you post here about people I have nothing to do with I do not care. Post whatever you want... but without knowing why this ever happened, you are just as uninformed as before. It has absolutely nothing to do with the tubes. Also, this is long over.

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Nathan

It's not my case, what do I care?

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Nathan

LOL.. you are hilarious.. I closed FAO Cash because I bought 2 other sites.

Robbie, just because it's on GFY does not make it true or accurate or anything like that.. it's really funny how you think information from GFY in any way proves anything

The 2 sites I bought btw, net me 2 million every single month ;) 2mil euro's btw...

Just since you have to through numbers around... obviously you will not believe that either.. since on GFY there is some post again that you will find making it clear that it is all a lie since, hey, its on GFY so it must be true!

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Nathan

Robbie, your 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. post above proves that you know nothing about Manwin btw... everyone that does is laughing their asses off...

As I said, none of your business.. Until you understand the size, which might or might not happen in the next few months, you will never understand me.

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PAR

Not so quick couple of questions that really don't add up to much more then curiosity...

As a content owner do you ever or do you have staff that looks for your own movies being uploaded to the tubes you own?

I know that you do own the rights to these videos, I'm just curious if you have or implement ways (other then FSC software) to spot these video.

I know I would want to control the release of my own content that I give away.

Example: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1773892973
40 min video - sure it maybe a special user and sure someone may have authorizes the release of this video.
But I'm more interested in knowing if you look for non-authorized videos going live...

And if you do use manual means to remove unauthorized content, that you own the rights to, then what affect if any at all does this have on the safe harbor laws.
- Not be aware of the presence of infringing material or know any facts or circumstances that would make infringing material apparent -

Lastly it is commonly known that tube site get money based on ad sales, the ad sales are directly link to the videos they have
But they also make money based on upselling to their own services (premium memberships and sales to their own website - direct income)
How does the case "A&M Records, Inc. v. Napster, Inc." Not apply then?

Where the safe harbor provision was deemed void in this case do to 512(c) requires that the OSP, not receive a financial benefit directly attributable to the infringing activity. The court held that copyrighted material on Napster’s system created a "draw" for customers which resulted in a direct financial benefit because Napster’s future revenue was directly dependent on increases in user-base, because the copyrighted work did "draw" new customers, retained customers etc. as a result of the infringing material. IE. Paid for premium member ships...

I know these are not simple questions, you did not start the site you just bought them as an investment would not expect you to be all knowing and all seeing, this is why companies have staff.

These questions maybe better asked to someone in a legal position.
But thought I would ask you seeing as you will be talking to your lawyers anyways with regards to other DMCA legal questions with regards to removing content.

I'm in now way trying to pretending that I know anything about DMCA or the safe harbor sections I'm just seeking a more clear view on the subject. SO if anyone can answer these great.

Nathan

Par,

If a video of brazzers shows up on the tubes that our brazzers division does not want there, they send a DMCA notice to the tubes. It's that simple really. And yes, they actually send a DMCA notice. We use the same means on our tubes as we use on any other tube. We being brazzers/mofos division.

Re Financial Benefit... it's tricky of course, and there is no good case law on it. Either way, Youtube is the same way and it has no problem with it.

The main direct link of financial benefit comes from a premium membership to the Napster service itself. Our premium service is not a premium version of Pornhub (et al) itself, its a whitelabel of moviebox.com.

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gideongallery

that rich you keep arguing that nat is lying and has the full right to censor uploads, just because you can remove links to content on your tgp.

and when i put the arguement into context with your sites, you call me obsessed.

hosting vs just sending traffic is a huge difference.

your host doesn't have the right to simple shut your site down willy nilly, there would be one hell of a liablity for them if they did.

tube sites are asking for protection under the safe harbor by defining themselves as host, which means they also inherit the liablities (censorship) that a host must face too.

the point is if they do the hands off approach (wait for the dmca / send counter notice/ put the stuff back up if counter notice comes)

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raven1083

now this makes sense

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PAR

Sorry this post will be much quicker then the last as its been a long night and about 9AM now.

Youtube = free no direct upsell to any service it has any connection to any sales made directly to the users. Its paid based on the AD placements.

Pornhub and Moviebox at the end of the day are connected on a corporate level
Just the same as Moviebox's video license rights can extend to all the sites and entities. Can it also not be said that Profits and or advances made possible from 1 division then extend to all directly and or indirectly at the parent company level.

Voiding the shell that Pornhub is not directly profiting from the Moviebox.
Even if separated by using different divisions/company names/bank accounts/workers..
The parent company is what stands to profit...

Or is it much more simple then I'm thinking and Napster would still be around had it just upsold its' users a premium download service that was owned by a branched off division?
Yet still owned by the same parent company.

I think this will just endup in an area away from DMCA and Safe Harbor and into the areas of dealing with:

Parent-Subsidiary Liability
Parent-Subsidiary Infringements
Parent-Subsidiary Assets
Parent-Subsidiary consent to commit
Parent-Subsidiary collusion
bla bla bla..

And this is not the road that I was looking to walk down.
I'm just wondering if it's option A or option B..

Because it's starting to sound like Napster would still be around making money had it just setup a division that handled its' premium users and setup the premium service as a stand alone site and just white labeled a copy.

And they only messed up the safe harbor part due to direct profit from members.
*selling of ad space is not subject to this. (youtube)*

Nathan

PAR,

Moviebox is an ad Placement too. With your Logic i could argue that google, which owns YouTube is profiting from the premium services it sells and has more traffic because of YouTube.

Parent company or not, premium remains an ad placement. If someone else would pay our tube division more than moviebox it would be sold to them instead.

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DWB

Love you Steven.

DWB

Nathan, if someone violates your TOS, I would think you could delete, ban or anything you want based on that TOS violation. Otherwise, why bother have a TOS in the first place? It then becomes a TOS violation and not a DMCA issue.

I know if I could spend 100+ million dollars on a company and had the kind of wealth you supposedly have, I would have my attorney on speed dial and he would take my calls 24/7. At the very least, take my call in the daytime.

I don't even have 1 million dollars and my attorney will do that for me.

CaptainHowdy

There's no business like porn business...

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DWB

Based on the photo that was posted of you before, I _KNOW_ you are pretty enough to want to fuck. And I mean that.

I could look at your pretty face for hours. It's so feminine and smooth looking. Your skin is so pale and soft, like a school boy. Seriously, you give me wood. And while I _DO_ believe in violence, real bad third world violence, I would _NEVER_ want to hurt you. Just the opposite. I would treat you like a like a fragile virgin school boy. Even your name, "Fabian," makes me hot for you. You're just like an innocent, bratty, little boy. Do you mind if I start calling you Pretty Boy Fabian? That gets me hard.

You don't have to answer this here (ICQ is fine), but have you ever had a more masculine and slightly older man cum inside your ass before? I think you would like it once you were comfortable with a big strong cock in your ass.

All piracy, thieving, lying, cheating and scum-baggery aside, if you ever want to hook up, ICQ me. I _WILL_ turn you out.

DWB

I just wanted to quote that again, thanks Charlie.

Forget DMCA, it is in violation of their site terms.


Anything that violates their TOS should supersede a DMCA, as it has broken their site terms and at that point has nothing to do with DMCA, it is simply a matter of a user who violated the rules of the site, which at that time Pornhub or whoever *may* at their sole discretion to pretty much to anything they want. That is the reason for TERMS.

I find it absolutely hilarious that a guy, a programmer nonetheless, can buy such an expensive criminal enterprise... I mean business, and have absolutely no clue over the day to day operations of it or even who in the FBI you have contact with to report child porn when it's uploaded. Both a programmer and a man of such wealth has to pay attention to details, that is why they can do what they do. How can you delegate responsibilities if you don't even know why the fuck is going on or what you can and can not do? Don't worry, no answer is required until you check with the attorney about what you should say.

Regardless of all that, I'd still like to cum in Nathan's ass.

Paul Markham

I uploaded some of my promo videos for Astral Blue on Youtube. They were very soft and softer than some of the stuff on Youtube. Got a complaint on one video and the lot came down. No DMCA, notification or anything. The only problem I expect was the advert at the front and back. A static picture with the URL. I broke their TOS and everything came down.

Fabian is full of it as usual. Or Youtube are breaking the law.

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Nathan

I'm afraid that pic that was posted is rather old So I am not sure if you would still like my ass so much when you see me in person I'm afraid :/

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Paul Markham

When you think about it for 5 minutes it becomes clear Fabian is full of shit or just lying.

An owner of a site can take down anything he sees fit to. If not Youtube would of been put over a barrel time and time again. Site owner have been deleting content after it was put up for as long as these UGC sites have existed.

Fabian seems very clued in about other aspects of the DMCA, yet clueless on this one. Even when told it's pirated and he checked it's pirated, it stay up.

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Robbie

You don't know Dirty White Boy very well do you?

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BlackCrayon

i don't even know why 'nathan' posts here. where is everyone going with this? they are stinking rich and couldn't give a fuck. who knows where they got all the money to start out but for the most part, it seems these illegal tube profiteers are the same kind of people who would rob banks if they could find a legal loophole that would let them get away with it.

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Paul Markham

I will bow to your knowledge of employing a service to upload videos.

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tony286

If you could spend 100+ million dollars to buy a company would you be going back and forth on GFY? But maybe if you are paid to play someone who paid 100+ million dollars then being a GFY is just the avg work day.

DWB

Don't be so hard on yourself. You have a young face, will age very well. I bet you're still quite a hottie.

DWB

For the records, if I had 100 million dollars, none of you would ever see or hear from my monkey ass again.

Seriously, that is a LOT of money. How much more do you need before you just go do fun shit all the time with your family? I know I wouldn't be on GFY, that is for damn sure.

Agent 488

aw come on manwin appeared just mansef was coming under pressure from lawsuits, the feds and were the subject of a investigative series in their local paper.

sure the paper trails is long and deep and clouded now. nathan is just the pr man of this new entity.

Nathan

I'm a horribly bad pr man Good thing that we have someone else actually in charge of PR other than me...

I'm just a bored person on days where I have little to do, like the weekend... so I sit on GFY and post, you should notice that I post more on weekends and on holidays than on other days, far more actually...

But I can not expect you guys to think for yourselves obviously... much easier to just claim that noone in their right mind that has enough money to buy something like Mansef would actually spend time on GFY... I've been here from ages, just because I found a way to grow my business very well does not mean I have to run away and all of a sudden hide, especially when the subject is stuff that applies to me... heck, people are posting my full name and pictures of myself here, you guys are like stalkers <G>

Why would I not be replying to you... Got nothing better to do right now :/ Late in europe, holiday in North America :/

And waiting for something fun to happen very close to times square today.. so I have to stay up

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