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The Demon · 11-02-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RDFrame

What are you talking about? The Chinese middle class is ballooning, and has been for many years. Whereas the US middle class has been shrinking.

I'm glad you have proof of this. Oh wait, the "proof" would contradict your assertion. China has very few rich people and the majority of them are poor. The inequality disparity is enormous.

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No, they wouldn't be applicable today, and don't be so naive. Whatever, elect whoever you want, and reap what you sow.

Oh great, I'm glad you can back up this assertion... Oh wait, yet another baseless opinion.

12clicks · 11-02-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RDFrame

Republicans seem to under this delusion that if you give the rich tax breaks, they'll invest in your country, and create jobs. That's now what makes a successful economy though. What does is allowing the struggling, middle class guy to save up enough money, to put his own ideas and innovation into place, and start his own business. That's what creates a thriving economy, and not the other way around. Not help the rich, so they'll throw some scraps to the middle class.

ahhhh, another idiot who's bought into the class warfare bullshit of the left.

son, the rich already pay your way. if you weren't such an idiot, you too, could be rich. however, when you, the unable, get a tax break, the people paying your way should get one too.
so enough with you're "evil rich" bullshit.

dope.

$5 submissions · 11-02-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

and the end of the liberal trash wasting our children's money and future?
I sure as hell hope so.

No, dude. The underlying issues PREEXISTED the USA and it will OUTLIVE the USA. The only thing that changes is the iteration. Love her or hate her, Ayn Rand was on to something. This election is just an iteration of the primordial struggle over the human concept of SELF and OTHER.

_Richard_ · 11-02-2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

I'm glad you have proof of this. Oh wait, the "proof" would contradict your assertion. China has very few rich people and the majority of them are poor. The inequality disparity is enormous.

China has a big problem with its single families.. Spoiled kids don't want kids, and if we have population issues, the chinese really do

dyna mo · 11-02-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

Ayn Rand was on to something.

maybe at the 30,000 foot level. maybe. but real world application of her philospophy has proven catastrophic

SallyRand · 11-02-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

and the end of the liberal trash wasting our children's money and future?
I sure as hell hope so.

"Will today spell the end of the socialist experiment?"

Evidently and Good Goddamned Deal!

The Oabamination people hoped for change and now they've got it!

Right up their asses!

Old Chinese proverb:

"Be careful what you wish for.

You may get it!"

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By opposing everything, they made the Democrats fight among themselves for cap-and-trade energy legislation and health care reform, drawn out battles that soured the mood of the country.

With all House Republicans standing firm against the stimulus and other Obama economic policies, they raised the bar for success, forcing the administration to be able to show the policies worked. They were accused of betting against the economy, but they were really betting against the Democrats' ability to fix the economy.

Their opposition also struck the heart of the Obama administration's plans for hope, change and optimism. By opposing everything, the Republicans created a divisiveness that permeated the American psyche and caused more negative feelings about the state of the economy and the future of the country.

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Kiopa_Matt · 11-02-2010, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

By opposing everything, they made the Democrats fight among themselves for cap-and-trade energy legislation and health care reform, drawn out battles that soured the mood of the country.

With all House Republicans standing firm against the stimulus and other Obama economic policies, they raised the bar for success, forcing the administration to be able to show the policies worked. They were accused of betting against the economy, but they were really betting against the Democrats' ability to fix the economy.

Exactly. This is exactly why you should NOT vote Republican. They've proven time and time again that they only care about their power in the House / Senate, and don't give a shit about the American people. Why you would ever vote them into power, is beyond me.

Instead of doing what's best for the country, they've done everything to circumvent it, even if that meant going against their own polices from just a few years ago. Then you're going to vote these selfish idiots into power, who are going to give tax breaks to those making $100+ million a year, and for some unknown reason, think it's going to better your life.

The mind boggles...

The Demon · 11-02-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RDFrame

Exactly. This is exactly why you should NOT vote Republican. They've proven time and time again that they only care about their power in the House / Senate, and don't give a shit about the American people. Why you would ever vote them into power, is beyond me.

If you're insinuating the Democrats are any different, then you have an 8 year old's understanding of the political parties in this country, or are just ridiculously naive.

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Instead of doing what's best for the country, they've done everything to circumvent it, even if that meant going against their own polices from just a few years ago. Then you're going to vote these selfish idiots into power, who are going to give tax breaks to those making $100+ million a year, and for some unknown reason, think it's going to better your life.

The mind boggles...

Ah yes, selfish idiots. Those would be the morons that have spent an astronomical amount of money for no reason and no benefit, who put in a health care bill they didn't bother to read... Once again, great argument. Are you 12?

12clicks · 11-02-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RDFrame

who are going to give tax breaks to those making $100+ million a year, and for some unknown reason, think it's going to better your life.

and the 10yr old's mother continues to let him type.

howardzinn · 11-02-2010, 08:55 PM

Another illiterate fucking nitwit who doesn't understand what socialism is. For the love of god read a fucking book.

12clicks · 11-02-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by howardzinn

Another illiterate fucking nitwit who doesn't understand what socialism is. For the love of god read a fucking book.

ahahaha, a little bitter after the day job, aren't you, loser?

The Demon · 11-02-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by howardzinn

Another illiterate fucking nitwit who doesn't understand what socialism is. For the love of god read a fucking book.

I'm wondering if your stupid ass has ever said anything intelligent on this forum. Do YOU even know how to read?

directfiesta · 11-02-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

and the 10yr old's mother continues to let him type.

Can't you renew your inventory of one liners ?

Getting really boring ...

12clicks · 11-02-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Can't you renew your inventory of one liners ?

Getting really boring ...

if you would just depart instead of pretending to be in this business, my one liners wouldn't bother you.

Bill8 · 11-02-2010, 10:07 PM

In many ways this is close to an ideal turn of events.

Now the republicans have to actually come up with legislation. They've been defending a fixed position, the easiest kind of warfare. Now they'll have to engage the actual problems, instead of blocking.

We should be rooting for them to repeal the healthcare bill, it was a bailout of the insurance industries, and a bad bill.

We should be rooting for them to investigate global warming and block research - nothing could be better than having them protect the oil industry.

Let them attack the gays - nothing could be better. Let them attack the colored - nothing could be better. Let them ban stem cells and outlaw abortion - it's absolutely perfect.

Let's see how they create jobs. Let's see what issues they decide to own.

stocktrader23 · 11-02-2010, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

if you would just depart instead of pretending to be in this business, my one liners wouldn't bother you.

You seemed to be here all day, did you vote?

GatorB · 11-03-2010, 02:03 AM

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Well, they can't do any worse than the Democrats have the past two years.

Go look up the Bush/GOP controlled Congress combo from 2001-2007 and say that. It's amazing that Obama couldn't fix 8 years of Bush fuck ups in 18 months and somehow that means he sucks. Where else in the real world does that standard even apply?

Kiopa_Matt · 11-03-2010, 02:08 AM

The bad thing about this is, now absolutely nothing will get done for the next two years, because the Republicans such childish kids who have proven time & time again they're only in it for political points, versus doing what's right.

Then it will all get blamed on Obama, and the Republicans will take a sweeping victory in 2012. So the US will stay at a standstill for 2 more years, then get fucked in the ass hard for at least the next 2 years.

I can just picture the Chinese politicians & businessman smoking their cigars, and drinking their champagne in glee right now...

nico-t · 11-03-2010, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

Haha.
Oh, to see the world through inexperienced eyes

selective answers, dodging any posts you know are true.... like a true politician

I just want you to answer this... when you look at your personal earnings and spendings, is it really much of a difference who is running the country?

wig · 11-03-2010, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RDFrame

The bad thing about this is, now absolutely nothing will get done for the next two years...

And this is why the Keynesian architects will have their hands tied to a certain extent. There will not be the supporting political capital or will.

This is what they overlooked, and yes, it is likely to kick off the next round of deflationary pressures.

IMO, we are getting ready to exit the eye of the storm.

VikingMan · 11-03-2010, 05:56 AM

Not going to read this thread but you have to be a complete idiot at this point if you do not realize that both Republicans and Dems are controlled by the same people behind the scenes.

cwd · 11-03-2010, 06:14 AM

ok, the Republicans won! Now things are going to be so much better for all!

12clicks · 11-03-2010, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

selective answers, dodging any posts you know are true.... like a true politician

I just want you to answer this... when you look at your personal earnings and spendings, is it really much of a difference who is running the country?

what's true in the eyes of an unaccomplished euro doesn't generally turn out to be the truth. Thats why you get ridicule instead of debate.
you have to atleast hang on the bottom rung of intelligence to expect intelligent replies.
come back again when you finish school.

12clicks · 11-03-2010, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23

You seemed to be here all day, did you vote?

its called technology.

is this you posting, or the pretend guy who hacked your account?

12clicks · 11-03-2010, 06:28 AM

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Not going to read

amazing how many idiots start out their last post before grabbing their paper hat with this statement.

BlackCrayon · 11-03-2010, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Can't you renew your inventory of one liners ?

Getting really boring ...

its pretty funny seeing the demon and 12clicks make the same insult over and over again in one thread...

The Demon · 11-03-2010, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

its pretty funny seeing the demon and 12clicks make the same insult over and over again in one thread...

Really, which insult might that be? Please point it out.. Oh wait, you were full of shit as always? Shame..

And it was the KEynesian economists who got us into this mess. Their entire ideology is fundamentally flawed. But let the liberals bitch.

wig · 11-03-2010, 06:59 AM

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And it was the KEynesian economists who got us into this mess. Their entire ideology is fundamentally flawed. But let the liberals bitch.

Only it's been the economic playbook for conservatives, too.

The Demon · 11-03-2010, 07:04 AM

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Only it's been the economic playbook for conservatives, too.

I think you misunderstood my statement. "Let the liberals bitch" means let them bitch about whatever they can since their moronic leaders lost. I don't care who subscribes to Keynesian principles, left or right because they'd both be wrong.

wig · 11-03-2010, 07:06 AM

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I think you misunderstood my statement. "Let the liberals bitch" means let them bitch about whatever they can since their moronic leaders lost. I don't care who subscribes to Keynesian principles, left or right because they'd both be wrong.

Yep, gotcha.

nico-t · 11-03-2010, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

what's true in the eyes of an unaccomplished euro doesn't generally turn out to be the truth. Thats why you get ridicule instead of debate.
you have to atleast hang on the bottom rung of intelligence to expect intelligent replies.
come back again when you finish school.

still no answer, what a surprise

BlackCrayon · 11-03-2010, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Really, which insult might that be? Please point it out.. Oh wait, you were full of shit as always? Shame..

And it was the KEynesian economists who got us into this mess. Their entire ideology is fundamentally flawed. But let the liberals bitch.

you ask someone if they are 12 and the very next post 12clicks is saying something about someone being 10 years old.

do you really think anything will change? if a republican congress can get america out of the mess its in, thats great but i just don't see it happening. there is no clear path or solution as much as some people want think following the typical republican mantra (which rarely if ever even gets put into practice anyways) will do it but it won't. whats going in in the world economy is far different than the 80's.

12clicks · 11-03-2010, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

still no answer, what a surprise

which part of your idiocy shall I answer?

TheDoc · 11-03-2010, 07:58 AM

Looks like the house cycled as expected with a few twists that naturally happen in elections... Americans spoke though keeping the Dems in overall power so the Rep's can't take us back down the shit hole path they once did before! Best part - if the Tea Party didn't inject its stupidity, the Rep's would have taken more seats.

Now the experiment to see if the Rep's can live up to anything they've said starts.

12clicks · 11-03-2010, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Looks like the house cycled as expected with a few twists that naturally happen in elections... Americans spoke though keeping the Dems in overall power so the Rep's can't take us back down the shit hole path they once did before! Best part - if the Tea Party didn't inject its stupidity, the Rep's would have taken more seats.

Now the experiment to see if the Rep's can live up to anything they've said starts.

sure thing sparky. you talking about a 50yr cycle?

The Demon · 11-03-2010, 08:10 AM

TheDoc is in flat out denial. The American public spoke when the Republicans obliterated the Democrats in the House, and only the Tea Party stopped the Republicans from taking over the Senate. Americans were tired of the Democrats' bullshit and the right is back on top. If they don't fix things then 2012 will look like 2008 with the Democrats owning a majority everywhere.

OY · 11-03-2010, 08:18 AM

It boggles my mind that only about 50% of Americans can feel good about any sitting government at any given time. Strange type of democracy.

12clicks · 11-03-2010, 08:24 AM

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It boggles my mind that only about 50% of Americans can feel good about any sitting government at any given time. Strange type of democracy.

only about 50% pay taxes.

when one sitting government cuts taxes on those who pay, the people who don't pay feel cheated. When the sitting government raises taxes on the 50% who DO pay, the people who pay feel cheated.

its not much more complicated than that.

until we get to the point where only those who pay can vote (and that will never happen) we'll never have a responsibly run government.

TheDoc · 11-03-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

sure thing sparky. you talking about a 50yr cycle?

Umm... the amount of them makes a difference? Not at all, being that it was very close to that number, several times throughout history. Is that truly the argument you guys are using? Because it's rather laughable.

Most were predicted to change well before any polls came out and many where due to flip - even if the media didn't want to say that and of course that they wouldn't.

Overall it was very few surprises for anyone that was paying attention.

TheDoc · 11-03-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

only about 50% pay taxes.

when one sitting government cuts taxes on those who pay, the people who don't pay feel cheated. When the sitting government raises taxes on the 50% who DO pay, the people who pay feel cheated.

its not much more complicated than that.

until we get to the point where only those who pay can vote (and that will never happen) we'll never have a responsibly run government.

Yes, a % don't pay "federal income tax" but that is just one tax on pay and one of many taxes every American pays.

It makes you sound so uneducated when you repeat this fox news spew crap.

BlackCrayon · 11-03-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

only about 50% pay taxes.

when one sitting government cuts taxes on those who pay, the people who don't pay feel cheated. When the sitting government raises taxes on the 50% who DO pay, the people who pay feel cheated.

its not much more complicated than that.

until we get to the point where only those who pay can vote (and that will never happen) we'll never have a responsibly run government.

if the only issue you care about is taxes, then move to a country where there is none.

The Demon · 11-03-2010, 10:04 AM

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It makes you sound so uneducated when you repeat this fox news spew crap.

Sort of like living in a constant state of denial while regurgitating everything CNN/MSNBC has told you?

wig · 11-03-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

if the only issue you care about is taxes, then move to a country where there is none.

Maybe you don't know this, but the USA taxes its' citizens regardless of where they live.

The only out is if you turn in your passport and renounce your citizenship.

Even then, if the IRS determines that you did this to avoid paying income taxes, they will still tax you for 10 years.

On top of that, there is an exit tax on certain assets that are moved offshore.

BlackCrayon · 11-03-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by wig

Maybe you don't know this, but the USA taxes its' citizens regardless of where they live.

The only out is if you turn in your passport and renounce your citizenship.

Even then, if the IRS determines that you did this to avoid paying income taxes, they will still tax you for 10 years.

On top of that, there is an exit tax on certain assets that are moved offshore.

Yeah, thats right. I guess thats why you see more canadians moving to costa rica and the caymans rather than americans. That quite the noose around the neck. Even still, i would hope most americans aren't so self involved that the only thing they consider when voting is how much they are paying in taxes. So much more makes a successful country than just that. Step outside of yourself for a few moments.

dyna mo · 11-03-2010, 10:24 AM

so is the experiment over?

TheDoc · 11-03-2010, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon

Sort of like living in a constant state of denial while regurgitating everything CNN/MSNBC has told you?

Well, maybe... if I watched/listened/read political news from them, then your point might be valid. But of course it isn't - as usual.

But hey - let's not avoid what was being discussed... the lack of education fox news supporters all clearly have. America needs to do something about this disaster before it gets more out of control.

dyna mo · 11-03-2010, 10:39 AM

sent ya an email last nite thedoc.

wig · 11-03-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Yeah, thats right. I guess thats why you see more canadians moving to costa rica and the caymans rather than americans. That quite the noose around the neck. Even still, i would hope most americans aren't so self involved that the only thing they consider when voting is how much they are paying in taxes. So much more makes a successful country than just that. Step outside of yourself for a few moments.

Yup and I have a lot of Canadian friends here in Panama.

To your point, there are also a lot people who support lower taxes because it's better for the economy and that's certainly part of what makes for a successful country.

12clicks · 11-03-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yes, a % don't pay "federal income tax" but that is just one tax on pay and one of many taxes every American pays.

It makes you sound so uneducated when you repeat this fox news spew crap.

dear uneducated idiot.
50% of the country doesn't pay income tax. the largest tax of them all.
I'm sorry you're unable to participate in an adult conversation because its over your head but please, take that problem up with those that failed to raise you properly, not me.

The Demon · 11-03-2010, 10:54 AM

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But hey - let's not avoid what was being discussed... the lack of education fox news supporters all clearly have. America needs to do something about this disaster before it gets more out of control.

The liberal/Democrat supporters make Fox News supporters look like PHD candidates.

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11-02-2010, 08:55 PM	#160
howardzinn Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 76	Another illiterate fucking nitwit who doesn't understand what socialism is. For the love of god read a fucking book.

11-02-2010, 10:07 PM	#165
Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	In many ways this is close to an ideal turn of events. Now the republicans have to actually come up with legislation. They've been defending a fixed position, the easiest kind of warfare. Now they'll have to engage the actual problems, instead of blocking. We should be rooting for them to repeal the healthcare bill, it was a bailout of the insurance industries, and a bad bill. We should be rooting for them to investigate global warming and block research - nothing could be better than having them protect the oil industry. Let them attack the gays - nothing could be better. Let them attack the colored - nothing could be better. Let them ban stem cells and outlaw abortion - it's absolutely perfect. Let's see how they create jobs. Let's see what issues they decide to own.

11-03-2010, 05:56 AM	#171
VikingMan Exploiting human weakness Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: next to a salmon stream Posts: 6,483	Not going to read this thread but you have to be a complete idiot at this point if you do not realize that both Republicans and Dems are controlled by the same people behind the scenes.

11-03-2010, 06:14 AM	#172
cwd Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In a dream Posts: 1,955	ok, the Republicans won! Now things are going to be so much better for all!

11-03-2010, 10:24 AM	#195
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,943	so is the experiment over?

11-03-2010, 10:39 AM	#197
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,943	sent ya an email last nite thedoc.