This is how tube sites make money

[Choker]

All these tube hating threads are getting so old. All the ideas thrown around about how to destroy them, etc I mean come on guys. Tube sites are making a killing. After almost a year of research I have discovered why surfers that are given so much free porn still sign up and buy a membership. The people who are saying that tube sites traffic is garbage and the surfer never buys anything are the same people who are being laughed at by the big program owners that are buying up every available spot on tube sites.

As webmasters we surf the internet paying close attention to sites designs, methods, etc. For us it's a job. We cannot surf the internet without our webmaster hats on. It's impossible. We forget that most people surf the internet with 90% of their brain turned off.

Surfers are dumb as fuck. They dont pay attention to text much anymore, they are like 4 year olds. Give them a picture book they will spend hours looking at the pics. Give them a text book they lose interest in 5 seconds. Surfers are the same way.

The big programs found a long time ago that putting their full length movies on tube sites and linking to their paysite from it converted surfers. No logic in this right? I mean why the fuck would a surfer pay for a movie he gets for free? 2 reasons

1. People are collecters. They love to collect. The average surfer does not know how to download a flv movie to his computer.

2. Surfers are stupid. When they see a 2 minute clip on a tube site and you got 100 text links around the movie saying "This is a sample clip from the full length movie you can download by clicking here" they still dont see those 100 text links. They think that paysite only has 2 minute movies inside it and they sure as hell are not going to pay for access to two minute movies.

Believe me or not I dont care. I've done my research well on this. Clicks from under full length movies convert 4 times better than clicks from under 2 minute movies.

[»Rob Content«]

Sometimes making sense does not make money...

[JFK]

I clicked here in under 2 minutes

[blazin]

Originally Posted by Choker

Clicks from under full length movies convert 4 times better than clicks from under 2 minute movies.

Wow.... this is crazy

[Carmine Raguso]

The truth will set you Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

[the.drunk]

tubes, tubes, tubes

[Voodoo]

Sponsors: Spam me with Hosted Full Length Movies

[BAKO]

Good Point

Epic thread in the making.

[adonthenet]

Nice thinking... interesting...

[Choker]

Originally Posted by blazin

Wow.... this is crazy

I make 10.3 cents per click from text links under full lenght movies, 2.5 from text links under 2 minute long movies. My figures are accurate and this is from hundreds of thousands of clicks over a 9 month period

[fris]

This is why I supply tube sites with legend dvd titles for $35 a pop, they load the content up full clips, and do pretty well of them.

[Moses G]

You are the same choker that got interviewed in the awmopen magazine a while ago?

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by Choker

I make 10.3 cents per click from text links under full lenght movies, 2.5 from text links under 2 minute long movies. My figures are accurate and this is from hundreds of thousands of clicks over a 9 month period

And there you have it. Straight from the horses mouth. Proof from a man that has made a fortune from web clicks.

[seeandsee]

thanks for sharing, what about ctr ?

[Choker]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

thanks for sharing, what about ctr ?

Actually in my original post i mistated instead of saying converted better i should have said they click 4 times as much. Conversions depend a lot on if i send them to a page on the sponsors site that has that movie info or not. Conversion are not great I'm not gonna lie, but who cares as long as they sign up. 10 cents a click aint bad from a small text link under the movie player. Conversions are still way better from my tube sites than my mgps and tgps and gallery pages.

[Snake Doctor]

Any chance we can get a mod to lock this thread?

STFU Tom.

[BV]

yah right mkay

[Choker]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Any chance we can get a mod to lock this thread?

STFU Tom.

Hahahaha I'm in a pissy moode right now figured I would ruffle a few feathers today . lol

[Choker]

Originally Posted by Moses G

You are the same choker that got interviewed in the awmopen magazine a while ago?

Not sure you have a link to it?

[Carmine Raguso]

Ok was just thinking about this:

An argument could be made that the reason that your TGPs, MGPs, Galleries, etc are not making as much money is due to the introduction of the tube sites.

Granted you are monetizing your traffic as you should, in whatever way possible, but had the tube sites never been forced upon the consumer, you simple sites would still be making cash.

It was inevitable. Whether it was from someone within the industry or some paysiter ripper trying to pay his bandwidth bill so his friends could watch it for free, it was bound to happen.

The fact that the industry is almost forcing it upon the consumer from WITHIN the industry is the issue.

Now go back a few years. What were your earnings per click for your simple sites? MGP, TGP, blogs, galleries, etc.

You don;t have to answer. I'm just playing devil's advocate here...

[collegeboobies]

Originally Posted by Choker

All these tube hating threads are getting so old. All the ideas thrown around about how to destroy them, etc I mean come on guys. Tube sites are making a killing. After almost a year of research I have discovered why surfers that are given so much free porn still sign up and buy a membership. The people who are saying that tube sites traffic is garbage and the surfer never buys anything are the same people who are being laughed at by the big program owners that are buying up every available spot on tube sites.

As webmasters we surf the internet paying close attention to sites designs, methods, etc. For us it's a job. We cannot surf the internet without our webmaster hats on. It's impossible. We forget that most people surf the internet with 90% of their brain turned off.

Surfers are dumb as fuck. They dont pay attention to text much anymore, they are like 4 year olds. Give them a picture book they will spend hours looking at the pics. Give them a text book they lose interest in 5 seconds. Surfers are the same way.

The big programs found a long time ago that putting their full length movies on tube sites and linking to their paysite from it converted surfers. No logic in this right? I mean why the fuck would a surfer pay for a movie he gets for free? 2 reasons

1. People are collecters. They love to collect. The average surfer does not know how to download a flv movie to his computer.

2. Surfers are stupid. When they see a 2 minute clip on a tube site and you got 100 text links around the movie saying "This is a sample clip from the full length movie you can download by clicking here" they still dont see those 100 text links. They think that paysite only has 2 minute movies inside it and they sure as hell are not going to pay for access to two minute movies.

Believe me or not I dont care. I've done my research well on this. Clicks from under full length movies convert 4 times better than clicks from under 2 minute movies.

You need to tell this to the people going after pirate bay...

[Carmine Raguso]

Originally Posted by collegeboobies

You need to tell this to the people going after pirate bay...

[Choker]

Originally Posted by collegeboobies

You need to tell this to the people going after pirate bay...

I am not talking about illegal tube sites.

[brassmonkey]

no money in tube sites stay away!

[Choker]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Ok was just thinking about this:

An argument could be made that the reason that your TGPs, MGPs, Galleries, etc are not making as much money is due to the introduction of the tube sites.

Granted you are monetizing your traffic as you should, in whatever way possible, but had the tube sites never been forced upon the consumer, you simple sites would still be making cash.

It was inevitable. Whether it was from someone within the industry or some paysiter ripper trying to pay his bandwidth bill so his friends could watch it for free, it was bound to happen.

The fact that the industry is almost forcing it upon the consumer from WITHIN the industry is the issue.

Now go back a few years. What were your earnings per click for your simple sites? MGP, TGP, blogs, galleries, etc.

You don;t have to answer. I'm just playing devil's advocate here...

You are 100% correct, you are one of the few on GFY that seems to get it, last time I checked time machines were still beta, so if I want to continue providing for my family I gotta adapt and do what works. LOL

[GAMEFINEST]

tubes rock ..

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by Choker

Believe me or not I dont care. I've done my research well on this. Clicks from under full length movies convert 4 times better than clicks from under 2 minute movies.

The big programs found a long time ago that putting their full length movies on tube sites and linking to their paysite from it converted surfers. No logic in this right? I mean why the fuck would a surfer pay for a movie he gets for free? 2 reasons

Are you really suggesting ppl should go full length movies and they are better off doing this than limited content. I don't believe that for one second. If it is true, its because either a significant amount of ppl click less, or theres something about the product you are selling them that you arent revealing in this thread, but in an environment where sponsors are giving out videos and then trying to upsell them to the paysite the video is from, there is absolutely no way you are better off giving them the full length. In fact, the most illegal of the tube sites, are the ones with the worst conversions and the highest turnover of ad spots!

And contrary to popular belief, tube sites arent printing money hand over fist. So much of it is predicated on cost and insanely low bandwidth prices, another critical point is the prepaid market which lately has been pulling back in a big way. Any successful tube site owner will tell you there will be months of loss before you ever turn a profit, if you even turn a profit. A little traffic = lots of bandwidth costs.

Your full length argument from big programs is RIDICULOUS. Ask eric from removeyourcontent - every single big program has limitations on time limit of what can and cannot be listed! Some of these companies even have in house counsel constantly enforcing to ensure of this... you really need to watch the message you are sending out, cause promoting the encouragement of sponsors giving full length videos is fucking ridiculous. All you're doing is inspiring more illegal tubes and piracy to pop up because not one big program sponsor will ever allow it. The big programs I specifically reference are brazzers, rk, bang, naughty america, etc - perhaps you can tell me the big programs you are talking about? brazzers is involved with pornhub, we all know this, why does pornhub only list brazzers clips in 3 minute sittings and have been doing this since it started... full length clips = more traffic = more bw costs = worst conversions. The more you give away, the less they need to buy, and the more quality you give away, the less they buy.

[mikeyddddd]

[Choker]

Originally Posted by Biggy

Are you really suggesting ppl should go full length movies and they are better off doing this than limited content. I don't believe that for one second. If it is true, its because either a significant amount of ppl click less, or theres something about the product you are selling them that you arent revealing in this thread, but in an environment where sponsors are giving out videos and then trying to upsell them to the paysite the video is from, there is absolutely no way you are better off giving them the full length. In fact, the most illegal of the tube sites, are the ones with the worst conversions and the highest turnover of ad spots!

And contrary to popular belief, tube sites arent printing money hand over fist. So much of it is predicated on cost and insanely low bandwidth prices, another critical point is the prepaid market which lately has been pulling back in a big way. Any successful tube site owner will tell you there will be months of loss before you ever turn a profit, if you even turn a profit. A little traffic = lots of bandwidth costs.

Your full length argument from big programs is RIDICULOUS. Ask eric from removeyourcontent - every single big program has limitations on time limit of what can and cannot be listed! Some of these companies even have in house counsel constantly enforcing to ensure of this... you really need to watch the message you are sending out, cause promoting the encouragement of sponsors giving full length videos is fucking ridiculous. All you're doing is inspiring more illegal tubes and piracy to pop up because not one big program sponsor will ever allow it. The big programs I specifically reference are brazzers, rk, bang, naughty america, etc - perhaps you can tell me the big programs you are talking about? brazzers is involved with pornhub, we all know this, why does pornhub only list brazzers clips in 3 minute sittings and have been doing this since it started... full length clips = more traffic = more bw costs = worst conversions. The more you give away, the less they need to buy, and the more quality you give away, the less they buy.

I'm not suggesting anything to anyone, I'm simply stating results from my research. Like I said I don't care if anyone believes me or not.

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by Choker

I'm not suggesting anything to anyone, I'm simply stating results from my research. Like I said I don't care if anyone believes me or not.

If youre showing results from research, then prove it with direct evidence. One of the biggest things I see in this business are people who think they understand analysis. I ask people for metrics all the time - one of the most common ones is retention - the #s i get back are hilarious. The things I hear from people's mouth are incredible, that I'd say most people really don't have a clue on even how to run a proper analysis. Another common one is changing multiple variables, and then linkiing their results with the wrong change

Also, what big programs are actively putting their clips out in full length videos?

[Serge Litehead]

decade ago CR 1:xx
today 1:xxxx's

wonder why netflix hasn't jumped on free full length movies, they've must missed their homework researching free to paid conversions

[VicD]

Sounds pretty logical, ofcourse there's more to it but i can live with this thought

[Robocrop]

I support Tubes.

There is always ways to make cash in porn no matter what.
Find other ways or leave the biz

[woj]

I bet ya you are not looking at CTR, but rather raw clicks...
full length clips attract way more viewers so it's not THAT shocking that they would get more clicks too...

and unless you are in business of selling traffic, who cares how many clicks you get? what matters how many people signup and how long they retain for...

[marko13]

good research makes money....

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by woj

I bet ya you are not looking at CTR, but rather raw clicks...
full length clips attract way more viewers so it's not THAT shocking that they would get more clicks too...

and unless you are in business of selling traffic, who cares how many clicks you get? what matters how many people signup and how long they retain for...

bingo

[Paolo]

[QUOTE]The fact that the industry is almost forcing it upon the consumer from WITHIN the industry is the issue.

Now go back a few years. What were your earnings per click for your simple sites? MGP, TGP, blogs, galleries, etc./QUOTE]


Not forcing...... If you had a tgp that was devoted to a niche and you promoted that niche with teaser traffic not 10 minutes clips where a guy can jerk 5 times in that amount of time.... it works well.. I had many accounts that did over 10 cents a click 2 years ago and many more 3 years ago. I had accounts that were doing 15 cents 18 cents a click easy, so I think this should be pointed out.

Niche tgps should promote true to your niche and you will see high click revenue... Remember how chocker speaks.. you want to base your revenue by how much you make by the click. Do your niche well and customers will reward you..

Make 15 dollars on 100 clicks well you just made 15 cents per click before rebills.. Thats not too bad and we had many many people doing that just a few years ago... Now some went to tubes and are doing less then half based on the hype they heard.... I hear them bitching all the time that they did not make as much as they did in 2005 and 2006 or even 2007.

Anyways my 2 cents from selling over $50 million in niche sites the last 10 years.

Cheers

[Drake]

Choker, do you see porn tubes as a viable business model for the long term, even if they're wildly successful right now? The logic that surfers buy more porn after viewing full length clips is interesting and counter-intuitive. Since you have first-hand experience, I don't doubt this is true. However, as ratios fall and porn consumers in general realize everything can be had for free, do you think the tube model will survive? Their operational costs are quite high because of high bandwidth needs.

[Davy]

Originally Posted by Choker

Clicks from under full length movies convert 4 times better than clicks from under 2 minute movies.

Yep. Don't believe you.
Because you are a guy who sells shitty traffic instead of converting it yourself.

[BV]

Whoever believes that giving away full length clips is going to make more people buy more memberships seriously is fucked up in the head or lying to himself.

[hjnet]

Originally Posted by Choker

Actually in my original post i mistated instead of saying converted better i should have said they click 4 times as much.

Originally Posted by Choker

I make 10.3 cents per click from text links under full lenght movies, 2.5 from text links under 2 minute long movies. My figures are accurate and this is from hundreds of thousands of clicks over a 9 month period

So they click 4 times as much AND convert 4 times better? Meaning you make 16 times more money with full lenght movies compared to 2 min clips?

BTW, how much higher are your Bandwidtosts if you compare full lenght to 2 min clips?

[Ozarkz]

Choker,

Most don't have a problem with legal Tube sites. They are just the "Web 2.0" version of the MGPs.

Webmasters have a problem with the "Illegal" tube sites.. Most aren't actually illegal it's just the nickname.

You've told us nothing new.... Obviously they covert for sponsors.... Twistys has confirmed that the traffic has been great for them.

The argument is would they be getting more sales if the surfers didn't have the "illegal" tubes to go to?

I've done my research also.. I don't waste my time talking to program owners and affiliate reps trying to trick me into promoting their program by telling me they convert and their sales are thru the roof.

I talk to the actual surfers. The minority of them pay for porn. Why? Because soo much is free.

[bvd79]

interesting perspective

[DVTimes]

I think tube sites make money from dating sites.

People go on tubes, get horney, want sex, sighn up to free date sites then see somone they want, so pay the full fee.

As for the full films, often I never see a link to the site they are from. In fact I have seen a great clip of this big boobed teen on some tube sites. It may be 100% home made, but then again it could be from a real site.

She is hot and if she had a site ts one of the few I would want to join.

But from what I have seen most tube sites are just people uploading site content or dvd's.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by Biggy

If youre showing results from research, then prove it with direct evidence. One of the biggest things I see in this business are people who think they understand analysis. I ask people for metrics all the time - one of the most common ones is retention - the #s i get back are hilarious. The things I hear from people's mouth are incredible, that I'd say most people really don't have a clue on even how to run a proper analysis. Another common one is changing multiple variables, and then linkiing their results with the wrong change

Also, what big programs are actively putting their clips out in full length videos?

Why should I have to prove anything to anyone? You can take my post and believe it or not, it really makes no difference to me one bit.

[Choker]

Originally Posted by woj

I bet ya you are not looking at CTR, but rather raw clicks...
full length clips attract way more viewers so it's not THAT shocking that they would get more clicks too...

and unless you are in business of selling traffic, who cares how many clicks you get? what matters how many people signup and how long they retain for...

The clicks under the movies i dont sell i send to sponsors. Yes more people view longer movies which means more people click. At the end of the day who gives a rats ass about ctr, conversions, are anything else. I look at my costs versus my profits. My net is good after all expenses. Again nobody has to believe me, i have nothing to gain here. The only reason i made this post is becasue i am so sick and tired of all the tube bashers who have no clue about anything. How can anyone say something does or does not work until they try it?

[Choker]

Originally Posted by Mike33

Choker, do you see porn tubes as a viable business model for the long term, even if they're wildly successful right now? The logic that surfers buy more porn after viewing full length clips is interesting and counter-intuitive. Since you have first-hand experience, I don't doubt this is true. However, as ratios fall and porn consumers in general realize everything can be had for free, do you think the tube model will survive? Their operational costs are quite high because of high bandwidth needs.

I think we will see a decline in signups to paysites as a whole from tube sites. Porn will become the product we use to sell other products, like dating, cam sites etc. wow, it's already happening? lol. Another thing that amuses me greatly is how some people are saying dating sites are on the way out. LOL. They have nto done their research very well if they think this. During economic bad times people seek relationships more than ever.

[AtlantisCash]

Tube haters may suck donkey balls

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Choker

Another thing that amuses me greatly is how some people are saying dating sites are on the way out. LOL. They have nto done their research very well if they think this. During economic bad times people seek relationships more than ever.

But what would make those people seek relationships on paid services rather than free services like plentyoffish?
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/plentyoffish.com