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kane · 02-22-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Yes, damn them for wanting to protect women. In some places in the world the idea that American women are strutting around with their tits hanging out and their asses sticking out is disgusting. Do you think when Egyptian people come to America they ask the women to cover up? Of course not, they understand that in different places there are different cultures. Just like they don't agree with the way you guys treat women, it doesn't mean that you guys are doing it wrong and they are right. It's just two different ways of doing things.

And what about the women in Saudi Arabia who got gang raped by several men. The men got a slap on the wrist and she got sent to jail and was sentenced to 90 lashes because she was out in public with a man who was not a relative. Is that keeping her safe and protecting her?

for that matter women in Saudi Arabia are banned for traveling alone. Again is this to protect them? Should they not be able to go to the store and do the family shopping without a chaperon?

I'm not saying that the US is perfect in treatment of women, but take some time to look up the human rights violations that occur against women en mass in the middle east.You are choosing to look at it through rose colored glasses.

If a man taking a sticking and beating his wife like a dog because she didn't listen to him is simply a cultural difference than I guess I am an arrogant American because I think that is wrong. Forcing a woman to cover her entire body if she doesn't want to is wrong. not allowing women to be educated is wrong. These are basic human rights and they are violated every day in the middle east.[/QUOTE]

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The idea there isn't to keep the women from enjoying themselves, it's to keep them out of situations where they would be tempted to do bad things. It's either that, or enjoy the 50% divorce rate and the loss of any family structure like is happening in America. Men are treated the same way, and they are supposed to lower their gaze if a woman comes by that isn't their wife. It's just about keeping out of bad situations so that you don't even need to resist temptation, you just keep it away altogether.

So a person is not allowed to think for themselves because they might find that the grass really is greener when they they get do what they want, not what they are told to do?

I understand religious and social customs, but should a person not be able to chose who they want to marry and how they want to live their lives? This is nothing more than the establishment and leadership simply oppressing the people and telling them how to live and deciding for them what will make them happy.

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You guys just supported a dictator for 30 years in Egypt by funding him and supporting him even though it was widely known that his elections were fraudulent and he didn't allow any opposition. He wouldn't have been able to do it without the aid from the United States keeping him in power.

Then there's the ex-leader of Tunisia that you guys supported and funded, when you guys put a dictator into Iran, when you guys fund and support Israel. All ways that the US has helped oppress the Arab people.

I suppose we can argue this for a while, but it really will go nowhere. We may sometimes support dicators for the good of our country or our interests and I won't defend that act, we shouldn't be doing it. But I doubt we tell them to kill, rape, maim and imprison their people.

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And that draws a stark contrast to what part of the world that has been peaceful? The whole world has been 'nothing but unrest, violence and problems' since the beginning of written history. To say that because throughout history England was always involved in wars means that now the British couldn't be civilized and live in peace would be ridiculous. Why are Arabs any different than the British?

They are not. You make my point for me. Your claim is that arabs are peaceful and want nothing more than to live in peace with the rest of the world. I simply pointed out that this is not the case and there has been unrest in that area forever. But as you say, there is unrest all around the globe. We humans are prone to this. We often solve our problems with violence and we are often intolerant of those who are not like us. The people of the middle east are no different.

kane · 02-22-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

There is a difference between people in the Middle East being intolerant of Americans because of their decades of meddling in the Middle East and Americans being intolerant of everyone just because they aren't Americans.

Which is very much the case. Mexicans - you guys hate them. Canadians - those fucking socialists. French - fuck the French those are Freedom Fries. Chinese - they are trying to take us over. Russians - fucking communists. Japanese - fucking Japs.

No other country in the world just lays down a general blanket of hate like the United States does.

No, there is no difference between why Americans or middle easterns are intolerant. I grew up in a small redneck town and for the most part everyone I ever met told me that Russians were dirty thieving communists. I also, literally, didn't speak to a black person until I was 16. Not because I was a racist, but because there were none in the town I grew up in. There were a lot of people from that town that then hated blacks and Russians yet had never really known either and had no reason other than they were taught that way. When they get out into the world many people choose to not learn for themselves and re-evaluate how they feel so they hold onto that prejudice they were taught as a child.

There is such a lack of education in many of these countries in the middle east that the only option some people have is schools that will teach them to read and write, but will also teach them to hate Americans. They, like us, are also taught by their parents. Unlike us, many of them have no outside information to help them change that opinion. So they don't really hate us because they see us as oppressive and have first had knowledge of it.They hate us because they were taught to hate us and they were told since the day they were born how evil and horrible we are and that we are to blame for any problems they have. They have no information to offset that so they have no way of knowing that it isn't correct.

theking · 02-22-2011, 07:20 PM

Moeloubani is an ignorant Palestinian...as most can see from his posts...and ignorant people are not aware that they are ignorant. I used to respond to him from time to time because he seemed to be reasonably articulate...and it took me awhile to realize that he is ignorant so I dismissed him as I try to avoid responding to ignorant people.

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

And what about the women in Saudi Arabia who got gang raped by several men. The men got a slap on the wrist and she got sent to jail and was sentenced to 90 lashes because she was out in public with a man who was not a relative. Is that keeping her safe and protecting her?

That never happened, gang rape is illegal in every country in the Middle East.

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In a trial that ended in November — in which the prosecutor asked for the death penalty for the seven men — four of the men received between one and five years in prison plus 80 to 1,000 lashes, said the woman. Three others are awaiting sentencing. Neither the defendants nor the plaintiffs retained lawyers, as is common here.

I'm all for democracy and people setting their own rules. I just hate the idea that just because the way someone else does something makes me feel uncomfortable that I have to associate what they are doing with being wrong.

That's the way they do things there and in a lot of ways the way we do things here are disgusting to them. How can we let women be reduced to nothing more than sex objects? They would ask us. How come the United States celebrates women for their beauty but pretty much nothing else?

Of course they could work on some things. But so could we. But we (western world) would never change our ways because someone in Saudi Arabia thinks they are wrong, to us that's just silly even though we expect the same of them.

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Originally Posted by kane

No, there is no difference between why Americans or middle easterns are intolerant. I grew up in a small redneck town and for the most part everyone I ever met told me that Russians were dirty thieving communists. I also, literally, didn't speak to a black person until I was 16. Not because I was a racist, but because there were none in the town I grew up in. There were a lot of people from that town that then hated blacks and Russians yet had never really known either and had no reason other than they were taught that way. When they get out into the world many people choose to not learn for themselves and re-evaluate how they feel so they hold onto that prejudice they were taught as a child.

There is such a lack of education in many of these countries in the middle east that the only option some people have is schools that will teach them to read and write, but will also teach them to hate Americans. They, like us, are also taught by their parents. Unlike us, many of them have no outside information to help them change that opinion. So they don't really hate us because they see us as oppressive and have first had knowledge of it.They hate us because they were taught to hate us and they were told since the day they were born how evil and horrible we are and that we are to blame for any problems they have. They have no information to offset that so they have no way of knowing that it isn't correct.

Yeah but Russians aren't dirty. The United States IS supporting the oppression of the Arab people. There is a huge difference between something based on nothing and something based on something very real. You are allowed to hate something that is out to do you harm.

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

Moeloubani is an ignorant Palestinian...as most can see from his posts...and ignorant people are not aware that they are ignorant. I used to respond to him from time to time because he seemed to be reasonably articulate...and it took me awhile to realize that he is ignorant so I dismissed him as I try to avoid responding to ignorant people.

Hey you're allowed your own opinion of me, but let me thank you for referring to me as a Palestinian.

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ

wow, when I don't think it possible for you to look like a bigger moron you outdo yourself. You need to get out more. Honestly.

As Mexicans go and coming from Southern California they are hardworking people and I've traveled the world and my favorite country will always be Mexico due to their unique culture and easy going attitude. I've never met a Canadian or "Jap" I didn't like, the Chinese bust ass in the US and their work ethic is to be respected, the US would not exist if not for the French, I've spent (collectively) 9 months of my life in Russia and never hated anyone I've met there.

I've been all over the middle east (another year of my life) Cypress, Turkey, Palestine, Morocco and met a lot of kind hospitable people, but I've also seen crushing poverty and people who can careless about others suffering.

Don't get me wrong man I don't think that every single American is so hateful but you guys honestly do have lots of hate floating around there. Like Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck and every other public figure. :/

kane · 02-22-2011, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

That never happened, gang rape is illegal in every country in the Middle East.

I was not 100% correct. here is the story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7106234.stm

A woman was raped by 7 men. The men who did the raping were sentenced to lashes and sentences ranging from 10 months to 5 years in jail. . . in short (at least to me) pretty much a slap on the wrist.

The woman was sentenced 200 lashes and 6 months in prison because at the time of the rape she was alone in private with a man who was not a relative. After pressure that was put on the king and led by the US oppressor Hillary Clinton the king pardoned her.

That sounds like a loving, caring kind of place to me.

Here is another.
http://wn.com/saudi_woman_sentenced_to_lashing
a 75 year old Syrian woman who was living in Saudi Arabia was sentenced to 40 lashes, four months in prison and was deported out of the country simply for having two unrelated men in her house.

here is another
http://trueslant.com/nealungerleider...tim-100-times/

A Filipino woman working in Saudi Arabia was raped by a co-worker. She pressed charges against the guy who did it. She was sentenced to 100 lashes for having sex out of wedlock because in Saudi Arabia all sex out of wedlock - including rape - is illegal and punishable by jail time or lashings.

Another fantastic little story here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...ne-school.html

here a 13 year old girl had a cell phone at school which was against the rules. She was lashed 90 times in front of her classmates.

But, as you say, I'm sure these are all just situations that are done to protect women from making bad choices or to be tempted into bad things.

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

I was not 100% correct. here is the story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7106234.stm

A woman was raped by 7 men. The men who did the raping were sentenced to lashes and sentences ranging from 10 months to 5 years in jail. . . in short (at least to me) pretty much a slap on the wrist.

The woman was sentenced 200 lashes and 6 months in prison because at the time of the rape she was alone in private with a man who was not a relative. After pressure that was put on the king and led by the US oppressor Hillary Clinton the king pardoned her.

That sounds like a loving, caring kind of place to me.

Here is another.
http://wn.com/saudi_woman_sentenced_to_lashing
a 75 year old Syrian woman who was living in Saudi Arabia was sentenced to 40 lashes, four months in prison and was deported out of the country simply for having two unrelated men in her house.

here is another
http://trueslant.com/nealungerleider...tim-100-times/

A Filipino woman working in Saudi Arabia was raped by a co-worker. She pressed charges against the guy who did it. She was sentenced to 100 lashes for having sex out of wedlock because in Saudi Arabia all sex out of wedlock - including rape - is illegal and punishable by jail time or lashings.

Another fantastic little story here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...ne-school.html

here a 13 year old girl had a cell phone at school which was against the rules. She was lashed 90 times in front of her classmates.

But, as you say, I'm sure these are all just situations that are done to protect women from making bad choices or to be tempted into bad things.

Well we probably disagree about what a slap on the wrist is.

1000 lashes of a whip and 5 years in jail to me is a little more than a slap on the wrist, but hey, that's subjective I guess.

I'd say most people when reading what you wrote would have guessed that the girl got all these lashes but the guys got away with it with a slap on the wrist meaning almost nothing. 1000 lashes and 5 years in a Saudi jail for rape? Not a slap on the wrist.

I'm not arguing that it doesn't happen, I was just pointing out that rape is in fact illegal in the Middle East and that people get more than a 'slap on the wrist' for doing it.

You have to remember that you aren't usually hearing the full story with these articles. For example just recently you remember that Iranian woman that was supposed to be stoned for adultery, when in reality what she was charged with was murder and killing her ex-husband.

Kids are hit with sticks all across the world in school for breaking the rules. Only in North America is it wrong for a teacher to hit a kid, and only for the past couple of generations has it been that way.

That said I don't like countries led by religion and I think that Saudi Arabia could relax their laws a little. But if they have elections that are fair and free and the people vote and the vote comes back that they want to stick with their rules as they are now, it doesn't mean they are barbaric or wrong. It means they are just as right as what is happening in the United States, rules set by the people for the people. It's as simple as that, just because you guys do things one way it doesn't mean every other way is wrong.

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

And they think it's bullshit that you weren't raped by a priest growing up. And that you don't fuck your sister daily right after you wank off your dad.

You see how sometimes the stereotypes that people think of you aren't always correct. Americans fail to see that their stereotype in the rest of the world is a bunch of fat, dumb, incestuous hicks who know nothing more than being raped by their priests and shooting off their guns. Is that really the truth? You can't feed me the bullshit that most of you haven't fucked your sisters or been raped by a priest because that is complete bullshit.

You see what I did there? Don't be a dummy and use stereotypes to make up your image of people because you might be shocked if someone used a stereotype to make up an image of you.

The people in the Middle East are a million times nicer and more welcoming than Americans. They are much more tolerant of different people and while the United States' founders were off raping their slave girls, the Middle East didn't see blacks as any different than anyone else and they were equals. You guys not only hate each other but are afraid of each other and treat each other with suspicion. And that's what you do to your fellow Americans. With foreigners you guys think that somehow because they aren't from America that somehow you guys are better than they are or they wish they were you.

I'm not Stereotyping... What I stated is law. Clearly you're uneducated on what happens in the middle east.

Stereotyping would be something like, they all smell like shit because they all use the hand to wipe the ass with. That's not what I did, what I did was state laws all over Middle Eastern Countries.

No I don't see what you did, other than stated stupid shit that isn't relevant.

As an American, I don't care if I'm a bigger asshole, non welcoming jerk.. straight up, fuck off and don't visit douche bag, my welcome mat includes a gun in your face - welcome to America! That's the point of being free....

Btw, if you or any sand jockey thinks all Americans are catholic, then you are all uneducated idiots that are clueless at the entire point of America, and any opinion or stereotype you have is so pointless no American gives a flying fuck.

End of the day, they will still kill a gay, force a girl to marry an old man and live through a life of rape, beat women, force them to do everything or be killed, get stoned, ect, ect, ect... nothing more than savages.

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm not Stereotyping... What I stated is law. Clearly you're uneducated on what happens in the middle east.

Stereotyping would be something like, they all smell like shit because they all use the hand to wipe the ass with. That's not what I did, what I did was state laws all over Middle Eastern Countries.

No I don't see what you did, other than stated stupid shit that isn't relevant.

As an American, I don't care if I'm a bigger asshole, non welcoming jerk.. straight up, fuck off and don't visit douche bag, my welcome mat includes a gun in your face - welcome to America! That's the point of being free....

Btw, if you or any sand jockey thinks all Americans are catholic, then you are all uneducated idiots that are clueless at the entire point of America, and any opinion or stereotype you have is so pointless - no American gives a flying fuck.

I was simply stating the laws and facts in the US. What I stated was law. Clearly you have no idea what the laws are in your own country.

Btw you seem to give a flying fuck with your angry post. Rawwrrr, me American me angry!! Way to represent and prove me right.

Edit: just saw you added this part.

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End of the day, you'll still kill a gay, force a girl to marry an old man and live through a life of rape, beat women, force them to do everything or be killed, get stoned, ect, ect, ect... nothing more than savages.

And at the end of the day you're still just angry about the rape you suffered at the hand of your catholic priest, your catholic mom was abused by her drunk husband who wasn't your dad (even though he and you think they are), your sister is still angry that you got her pregnant, your actual biological dad is gay and now he spends his days sucking shit off of dicks in between his shifts as a garbage man (how he met your mom). To make money your mom prostitutes on the street and enjoys aborting the fetuses at the last moment because its her body and she likes the way it feels.

Isn't that how it is in the US?? You see how stereotypes are usually way off? Please TheDoc, you're embarrassing yourself.

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

I was simply stating the laws and facts in the US. What I stated was law. Clearly you have no idea what the laws are in your own country.

Btw you seem to give a flying fuck with your angry post. Rawwrrr, me American me angry!! Way to represent and prove me right.

Are you on drugs? What law did you post, at all? And how is a stereotype a fact? You're either completely stupid or high out of your mind.

It's not legal for priests to rape kids in America. However in the middle east, in many countries it is legal for adult men to marry children, and rape them.

I'm not Angry, I'm American.

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

And at the end of the day you're still just angry about the rape you suffered at the hand of your catholic priest, your catholic mom was abused by her drunk husband who wasn't your dad (even though he and you think they are), your sister is still angry that you got her pregnant, your actual biological dad is gay and now he spends his days sucking shit off of dicks in between his shifts as a garbage man (how he met your mom).

Isn't that how it is in the US?? You see how stereotypes are usually way off? Please TheDoc, you're embarrassing yourself.

I don't have a catholic priest or anyone in my family, so I can't relate. Only an idiot would think all Americans are catholic when the Country is built on freedom of religion, exactly what sand jockey's hate.

Again what I stated is laws ... you're trying to make up some lame stereotype to cover up what is law in the middle east.

Don't hate me for giving you the facts, hate the middle east for allowing it.

theking · 02-22-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Don't get me wrong man I don't think that every single American is so hateful but you guys honestly do have lots of hate floating around there. Like Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck and every other public figure. :/

And this post...in a nutshell...clarifies that you are ignorant...and says a lot about why you are ignorant about so many things.

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 09:05 PM

What needs to really happen in the middle east is a huge sweep up of all children, from birth to 18, and toss them into reeducation camps. It doesn't really make a difference if they still hate americans or not, but someone has to teach them to wipe with toilet paper!

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Are you on drugs? What law did you post, at all? And how is a stereotype a fact? You're either completely stupid or high out of your mind.

It's not legal for priests to rape kids in America. However in the middle east, in many countries it is legal for adult men to marry children, and rape them.

I'm not Angry, I'm American.

In what countries is it legal for a man to rape a child? You gonna back that up or are you going to be the average American and just talk out of your ass?

The Middle East isn't a country, just saying that something is legal in North American just because it's legal in Mexico doesn't work. Or yet again are you just being the ignorant American?

I don't hate you man! Don't for a second think that. I'm not resorting to calling you racial slurs and things like that (like you to me), I have no hate for you and to be honest I feel sympathy for you that you are so misled. Uneducated people turn out like you all the time ignorant and angry but intelligent people like me hold no hate towards you for something you can't help. I feel sorry for you is all.

Iran also has freedom of religion, as does Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and countless other Middle Eastern countries. Please do me a favor and read up about this before you make your next post, I hate feeling so bad for making you look so bad when like I said before, you probably just can't help it.

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

And this post...in a nutshell...clarifies that you are ignorant...and says a lot about why you are ignorant about so many things.

But wait...

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Moeloubani is an ignorant Palestinian...as most can see from his posts...and ignorant people are not aware that they are ignorant. I used to respond to him from time to time because he seemed to be reasonably articulate...and it took me awhile to realize that he is ignorant so I dismissed him as I try to avoid responding to ignorant people.

I thought you avoid responding to ignorant people? What's the matter, having a crisis about me?

Edit: LOL I just saw what you mean. You're right how ignorant of me to forget adding you to that list theking. Let me fix the statement:

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Don't get me wrong man I don't think that every single American is so hateful but you guys honestly do have lots of hate floating around there. Like Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck and every other public figure and theking. :/

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What needs to really happen in the middle east is a huge sweep up of all children, from birth to 18, and toss them into reeducation camps. It doesn't really make a difference if they still hate americans or not, but someone has to teach them to wipe with toilet paper!

Rawwwwrrrrrrrrrr I AM AMERICAN!!! FEAR MEEEE!!! Too bad when it comes down to it guys like you are put to shame by skinny little Afghanis on dirt bikes. All talk. LOL

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

In what countries is it legal for a man to rape a child? You gonna back that up or are you going to be the average American and just talk out of your ass?

The Middle East isn't a country, just saying that something is legal in North American just because it's legal in Mexico doesn't work. Or yet again are you just being the ignorant American?

I don't hate you man! Don't for a second think that. I'm not resorting to calling you racial slurs and things like that (like you to me), I have no hate for you and to be honest I feel sympathy for you that you are so misled. Uneducated people turn out like you all the time ignorant and angry but intelligent people like me hold no hate towards you for something you can't help. I feel sorry for you is all.

Iran also has freedom of religion, as does Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and countless other Middle Eastern countries. Please do me a favor and read up about this before you make your next post, I hate feeling so bad for making you look so bad when like I said before, you probably just can't help it.

It's rape when she's forced into the marriage, stop pretending it's okay for children to marry adults.

No shit, that's why I said Middle Eastern Countries, I didn't call it a Country.

Who said some didn't have freedom? Oh you don't like being called a sand jockey - why, not one? Probably like I'm not fat?

That's not a racial slur btw... truly, you're either the worst troll ever or completely stupid. And I'm not being an asshole american, I'm just telling you how it is.

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Rawwwwrrrrrrrrrr I AM AMERICAN!!! FEAR MEEEE!!! Too bad when it comes down to it guys like you are put to shame by skinny little Afghanis on dirt bikes. All talk. LOL

What does that have to do with every single person in the middle east needing to be educating on using shit paper?

Cyandin · 02-22-2011, 09:15 PM

martinsc · 02-22-2011, 09:17 PM

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moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 09:27 PM

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What does that have to do with every single person in the middle east needing to be educating on using shit paper?

You mean as opposed to the bidays they use now that are cleaner than toilet paper? You know that actually wash them instead of just spreading the shit around?

As much as I'd love to argue about the different ass wiping techniques used throughout the world, I won't. I just wanted to show you that no matter what you think you can pull from that tiny little brain of yours, I have something to crush it like a tiny ant.

Deputy Chief Command · 02-22-2011, 09:29 PM

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This is why the US are so desperate to get rid of Chavez in Venezuela as he charges a fair price for the oil and shares the profits with the people.

what ?? you sure you are not delusionnal ?

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 09:33 PM

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In what countries is it legal for a man to rape a child? You gonna back that up or are you going to be the average American and just talk out of your ass?

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It's rape when she's forced into the marriage, stop pretending it's okay for children to marry adults.

No shit, that's why I said Middle Eastern Countries, I didn't call it a Country.

Who said some didn't have freedom? Oh you don't like being called a sand jockey - why, not one? Probably like I'm not fat?

That's not a racial slur btw... truly, you're either the worst troll ever or completely stupid. And I'm not being an asshole american, I'm just telling you how it is.

So I see you went with the average American and talk out of your ass option. Well done.

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 09:38 PM

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So I see you went with the average American and talk out of your ass option. Well done.

Clearly you're either being stupid or pretending it doesn't happen... typical to say the least.

Trust me, you aren't going to get another person from any part of the world to side with you on this. We all know it's true.

I honestly don't give a shit if you wish to deny it.

kane · 02-22-2011, 09:39 PM

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Well we probably disagree about what a slap on the wrist is.

1000 lashes of a whip and 5 years in jail to me is a little more than a slap on the wrist, but hey, that's subjective I guess.

I'd say most people when reading what you wrote would have guessed that the girl got all these lashes but the guys got away with it with a slap on the wrist meaning almost nothing. 1000 lashes and 5 years in a Saudi jail for rape? Not a slap on the wrist.

While it is a punishment, I personally feel rapist should be put away for life or killed.

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I'm not arguing that it doesn't happen, I was just pointing out that rape is in fact illegal in the Middle East and that people get more than a 'slap on the wrist' for doing it.

You have to remember that you aren't usually hearing the full story with these articles. For example just recently you remember that Iranian woman that was supposed to be stoned for adultery, when in reality what she was charged with was murder and killing her ex-husband.

So you are okay with the victim of the rape being lashed or thrown in prison? You are okay with being the victim of a rape being illegal?

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Kids are hit with sticks all across the world in school for breaking the rules. Only in North America is it wrong for a teacher to hit a kid, and only for the past couple of generations has it been that way.

There is a pretty big difference between spanking a kid with stick on the ass a few times or even using a paddle and lashing a kid 90 times. Also, the punishment should fit the crime, that seems extreme to me.

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That said I don't like countries led by religion and I think that Saudi Arabia could relax their laws a little. But if they have elections that are fair and free and the people vote and the vote comes back that they want to stick with their rules as they are now, it doesn't mean they are barbaric or wrong. It means they are just as right as what is happening in the United States, rules set by the people for the people. It's as simple as that, just because you guys do things one way it doesn't mean every other way is wrong.

If they have real, true and free elections and that is what they choose for themselves I would be okay with it. But they don't have such a thing. Also, I would want to know these elections are really true and fair and people weren't intimidated into voting for something they don't really want.

Plus, all of that said, I still have a feeling deep down that to live like that would be wrong. A child born into that culture does not choose it, he or she has no choice in the matter. If they are adults and choose that life for themselves, fine, but for a kid to be dropped into a world where they could get raped, the punished for it, is wrong.

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 09:40 PM

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You mean as opposed to the bidays they use now that are cleaner than toilet paper? You know that actually wash them instead of just spreading the shit around?

As much as I'd love to argue about the different ass wiping techniques used throughout the world, I won't. I just wanted to show you that no matter what you think you can pull from that tiny little brain of yours, I have something to crush it like a tiny ant.

They probably do have a lot of bidays in the middle east..... hahahahahaha, bidays.

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 09:49 PM

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While it is a punishment, I personally feel rapist should be put away for life or killed.

So you are okay with the victim of the rape being lashed or thrown in prison? You are okay with being the victim of a rape being illegal?

There is a pretty big difference between spanking a kid with stick on the ass a few times or even using a paddle and lashing a kid 90 times. Also, the punishment should fit the crime, that seems extreme to me.

If they have real, true and free elections and that is what they choose for themselves I would be okay with it. But they don't have such a thing. Also, I would want to know these elections are really true and fair and people weren't intimidated into voting for something they don't really want.

Plus, all of that said, I still have a feeling deep down that to live like that would be wrong. A child born into that culture does not choose it, he or she has no choice in the matter. If they are adults and choose that life for themselves, fine, but for a kid to be dropped into a world where they could get raped, the punished for it, is wrong.

Obviously I'm not okay with someone being punished for something they had no choice in. And I don't think the punishment is for the actual rape but for getting themselves into the situation (being with strange guys homes etc).

That's what I'm hoping for right now, free and true elections. For the past 30 years for example the elections in Egypt have been rigged, and the people would have risen up earlier if it weren't for the support that Egypt had from the US. That's why I say the US oppresses the Arab people.

Now, I know you have a bad feeling about a child born into that culture. However at the same time, I'm sure there are tons of people out there that have a bad feeling about children born into OUR culture. Does that give them the right to come in and kill us? Of course not! So you are saying children should only be allowed where you say it's okay, but if you say it's not okay then there should be no children allowed there?

Come on man, that's laughable at best. What if the tables were turned, would you be okay with someone saying 'I don't like your culture and I don't think it's fair for babies to be born into it so I'm not going to let you have any babies.'

These are people just like me and you, the same as me and you, with the same rights, the same feelings, the same emotions. There is nothing that makes me and you any different than an Afghani, Egyptian or Chinese person as a human. Don't we all deserve the freedom to choose what we want to do without the interference of others?

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 09:50 PM

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Clearly you're either being stupid or pretending it doesn't happen... typical to say the least.

Trust me, you aren't going to get another person from any part of the world to side with you on this. We all know it's true.

I honestly don't give a shit if you wish to deny it.

Bla bla bla still nothing to back anything up still just talking out of your ass bla bla bla.

You suck at debating TheDoc.

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They probably do have a lot of bidays in the middle east..... hahahahahaha, bidays.

Lol I knew it couldn't have been biday but Google didn't autocorrect me

Don't make me go through all you've written and point out your countless grammar mistakes. I didn't know that was what we were doing and I saw sooo many!

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 09:53 PM

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Bla bla bla still nothing to back anything up still just talking out of your ass bla bla bla.

You suck at debating TheDoc.

.... I want to know, are you sitting here claiming the middle eastern countries do not have under age marriage?

I truly want to know if you're being this big of a douche bag and ignoring an extreme problem through Asia, the Middle East and Africa?

Only a complete shit stain would deny this when you can take seconds and find world orgs setup to help fight it, statistics on it, and crazy amount of information about it?

Truly... what type of person are you?

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 09:56 PM

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Lol I knew it couldn't have been biday but Google didn't autocorrect me

Don't make me go through all you've written and point out your countless grammar mistakes. I didn't know that was what we were doing and I saw sooo many!

Point is stain, they don't use a bidet.... you can't even spell it, you've probably never seen one, and you sure as hell have no idea if the people in the middle east, some of the poorest people in the damn world, have one.

I mean come on.... a huge percentage of the population doesn't even have running water and you think they have a damn bidet?

Keep your bullshit to yourself please.

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Point is stain, they don't use a bidet.... you can't even spell it, you've probably never seen one, and you sure as hell have no idea if the people in the middle east, some of the poorest people in the damn world, have one.

I mean come on.... a huge percentage of the population doesn't even have running water and you think they have a damn bidet?

Keep your bullshit to yourself please.

In what country does a large percentage of the population not have running water?

You gonna back yourself up TheDoc? I think you're just making stuff up.

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

.... I want to know, are you sitting here claiming the middle eastern countries do not have under age marriage?

I truly want to know if you're being this big of a douche bag and ignoring an extreme problem through Asia, the Middle East and Africa?

Only a complete shit stain would deny this when you can take seconds and find world orgs setup to help fight it, statistics on it, and crazy amount of information about it?

Truly... what type of person are you?

Under what age? You mean according to your customs they are marrying underage, sorry you feel that way but you're going to have to learn the 'religious freedom' you were preaching earlier.

I'm out for the night, was fun ravaging you TheDoc, next time put up a fight will ya?

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 10:15 PM

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In what country does a large percentage of the population not have running water?

You gonna back yourself up TheDoc? I think you're just making stuff up.

What the hell is it with your stupid ass questions? Half the damn planet doesn't have running water and it isn't us in the 1st and 2nd world Countries without.

Anyway, use Google.. for the love of god, educate yourself.

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Under what age? You mean according to your customs they are marrying underage, sorry you feel that way but you're going to have to learn the 'religious freedom' you were preaching earlier.

I'm out for the night, was fun ravaging you TheDoc, next time put up a fight will ya?

Starting as young as 7 (and yes younger), common is 9-12, under 16 almost always. Research it.. Google it, take 5 minutes and educate yourself, at least attempt it. Start with the UNICEF, it's a fund/org for helping kids and they have a huge focus on underage forced marriages in the Middle East, Asia and Africa.

That isn't religious freedom, at any level... asshole.

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 10:19 PM

This stain moelouban needs to be banned from here if he thinks children being forced into marriage is okay because of religion.

This industry doesn't need people like him hanging around.

kane · 02-22-2011, 10:37 PM

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Obviously I'm not okay with someone being punished for something they had no choice in. And I don't think the punishment is for the actual rape but for getting themselves into the situation (being with strange guys homes etc).

That is kind of like saying if a girl wears a short skirt she is asking for it. No woman or girl deserves to be raped regardless of what kind of situation they put themselves into and if they do put themselves into a situation where they are alone with a man and they do get raped, the should not be further punished for it.

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Now, I know you have a bad feeling about a child born into that culture. However at the same time, I'm sure there are tons of people out there that have a bad feeling about children born into OUR culture. Does that give them the right to come in and kill us? Of course not! So you are saying children should only be allowed where you say it's okay, but if you say it's not okay then there should be no children allowed there?

Come on man, that's laughable at best. What if the tables were turned, would you be okay with someone saying 'I don't like your culture and I don't think it's fair for babies to be born into it so I'm not going to let you have any babies.'

While I don't think we should be telling people they can and can't have kids, I just feel sorry for the kids born in places like that. Here in the US if you are born into a very religious family in your early life you have no choice in the matter, you are going to be doing what the family says. But when you become an adult you can choose to walk away from it and live a life you want. That is simply not the case in a lot of middle eastern countries. Still, we can't tell people to not have kids because we don't agree with how they live their lives, I just feel bad for those kids.

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These are people just like me and you, the same as me and you, with the same rights, the same feelings, the same emotions. There is nothing that makes me and you any different than an Afghani, Egyptian or Chinese person as a human. Don't we all deserve the freedom to choose what we want to do without the interference of others?

We are all human and we do all deserve the freedom to choose what we want in life, but as of right now we don't all have the same rights. Maybe some day that will change. Maybe some day everyone on this planet will have the ability to choose to live however they want and not fear for their lives because of that choice. At the moment that isn't the case, but maybe some day it will be.

All of this, for me, goes back to your original statement that only Americans are intolerant and I think it is pretty clear now that this is not the case. Everyone in this world has some level of intolerance. Some people more than others. Intolerance is a human trait, not an American trait.

Barry-xlovecam · 02-22-2011, 10:38 PM

The peoples of the revolting Arab nations, when successful, will have the opportunity to form new governments that reflect their respective aspirations — I shall reserve judgment and avoid speculation as to their true goals until that time.

I do think that the dominant powers should allow those same peoples unfettered options to their express their aspirations but as usual, they will attempt to interfere ...

I do think it wise to get serious about alternative energy resources as the Middle East supplies have become volatile politically with the associated uncertainty in their supply. This probably will not happen as it creates a good excuse for rising prices.

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 10:47 PM

Ok one more post just to firmly grind you into the ground.

You said to go look at UNICEF - so I did. I'm not a closed minded person, I will always try to learn if I can. But most of the time I just reaffirm that I'm right most of the time.

This is another one of those times.

UNICEF publication and the information I learned from it:

http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/digest7e.pdf

Asia, Africa and Latin Americans all marry younger than Arabs and marry younger more frequently than Arabs. Average age at first marriage in Egypt - 22, average age at first marriage in Yemen - 21.

Looks like you were wrong yet again.

Goodnight.

Rochard · 02-22-2011, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Christians DO live peacefully in the Middle East.

And I don't know how you don't recall Christians shooting Muslims, isn't that what you guys are doing there right now?

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'

The only intolerance in the world is American intolerance of other people.

No, Christians aren't shooting Muslims. We aren't in the Middle East as Christians; Our armies are not "Christian" warriors. We aren't fighting in the name of any god. We are there because of what one nation did to another nation, or what one nation did to the world center.

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

That is kind of like saying if a girl wears a short skirt she is asking for it. No woman or girl deserves to be raped regardless of what kind of situation they put themselves into and if they do put themselves into a situation where they are alone with a man and they do get raped, the should not be further punished for it.

While I don't think we should be telling people they can and can't have kids, I just feel sorry for the kids born in places like that. Here in the US if you are born into a very religious family in your early life you have no choice in the matter, you are going to be doing what the family says. But when you become an adult you can choose to walk away from it and live a life you want. That is simply not the case in a lot of middle eastern countries. Still, we can't tell people to not have kids because we don't agree with how they live their lives, I just feel bad for those kids.

We are all human and we do all deserve the freedom to choose what we want in life, but as of right now we don't all have the same rights. Maybe some day that will change. Maybe some day everyone on this planet will have the ability to choose to live however they want and not fear for their lives because of that choice. At the moment that isn't the case, but maybe some day it will be.

All of this, for me, goes back to your original statement that only Americans are intolerant and I think it is pretty clear now that this is not the case. Everyone in this world has some level of intolerance. Some people more than others. Intolerance is a human trait, not an American trait.

Yeah no girl deserves to get raped no matter what the situation is but if the law is that she can't wear a short skirt and she wears a short skirt then she deserves the punishment that comes with it. Those are the rules.

What makes you think people don't have the right to just get up and walk away when they are adults? Women can divorce men anywhere in the Middle East, and you aren't forced to stay in your country anywhere. Just more stereotypes and stuff with no real basis.

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No, Christians aren't shooting Muslims. We aren't in the Middle East as Christians; Our armies are not "Christian" warriors. We aren't fighting in the name of any god. We are there because of what one nation did to another nation, or what one nation did to the world center.

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

I don't just say random things like you. I have backup for every word, every letter.

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Ok one more post just to firmly grind you into the ground.

You said to go look at UNICEF - so I did. I'm not a closed minded person, I will always try to learn if I can. But most of the time I just reaffirm that I'm right most of the time.

This is another one of those times.

UNICEF publication and the information I learned from it:

http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/digest7e.pdf

Asia, Africa and Latin Americans all marry younger than Arabs and marry younger more frequently than Arabs. Average age at first marriage in Egypt - 22, average age at first marriage in Yemen - 21.

Looks like you were wrong yet again.

Goodnight.

Wow, you're a class A idiot, asshole and asshat all mixed into one.

We aren't talking about the average jack ass, we're talking about the FACTS that they allow children to marry adults, that it is forced, that it is rape... you sick fuck!

What I don't get is why you would try to divert the facts, ignore the truth, what asshole person would pretend as if this problem doesn't exist?

Truly... fuck off you shit stain for a human.

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Wow, you're a class A idiot, asshole and asshat all mixed into one.

We aren't talking about the average jack ass, we're talking about the FACTS that they allow children to marry adults, that it is forced, that it is rape... you sick fuck!

What I don't get is why you would try to divert the facts, ignore the truth, what asshole person would pretend as if this problem doesn't exist?

Truly... fuck off you shit stain for a human.

Oh so you're saying that in isolated cases, there is underage marriage that is forced there? That would never happen in the US!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundame...r_Da y_Saints

Yawn. How many times do I need to make you look like an idiot?

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Oh so you're saying that in isolated cases, there is underage marriage that is forced there? That would never happen in the US!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundame...r_Da y_Saints

Yawn.

No I'm not saying it's isolated like a few Church members or people do in every country that are sick fucks as well.

I'm saying it's widely accepted throughout the middle east... that it's widely practiced, forced, and happening daily, that the religion supports it, that the laws support it.... I'm saying that part of the world is filled with sick perverted fucks basically.

I know now you're a denier, a supporter of those that force children into marriage through denial, you're a complete shit stain on this planet and should have your balls cut off before you hurt anyone.

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 11:34 PM

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No I'm not saying it's isolated like a few Church members or people do in every country that are sick fucks as well.

I'm saying it's widely accepted throughout the middle east... that it's widely practiced, forced, and happening daily, that the religion supports it, that the laws support it.... I'm saying that part of the world is filled with sick perverted fucks basically.

Oh it's widely practiced? Didn't I just show you data that shows you that it isn't widely practiced. That the average age of marriage was above 20? Are you really so ignorant as to ignore information from a source that YOU picked, that I JUST showed you?

Oh now I see your edit, let me comment on that part:

Raaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrr I AM AMERICAN!! I WILL CUT YOUR BALLS OFF!! RAAAAAAWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRR!!!

And yet again, when it comes down to it you guys are shit fighters and outclassed by even the most rugged Afghan fighters that are laughing their way to a victory against you guys now. All talk. Nothing else. So sad.

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 11:35 PM

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Oh it's widely practiced? Didn't I just show you data that shows you that it isn't widely practiced. That the average age of marriage was above 20? Are you really so ignorant as to ignore information from a source that YOU picked, that I JUST showed you?

No you showed the average age idiot... if the average age was 50, it wouldn't change the fact that it's happening to children daily - you sick pile of crap.

CDSmith · 02-22-2011, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Oh so you're saying that in isolated cases, there is underage marriage that is forced there? That would never happen in the US!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundame...r_Da y_Saints

Yawn. How many times do I need to make you look like an idiot?

The difference being that in the US (and Canada) when that sort of behavior is found out the perpetrators are prosecuted and put behind bars. Fact is the major bulk of the N American population and legal systems DO NOT tolerate underage abuses, forced marriages and rape of children whatsoever.

Over in your neck of the woods though it seems to be quite commonplace and acceptable.

I'm not sure why you need that explained to you though, it's right in the article you linked to. Did you perhaps not read it?

TheDoc · 02-22-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

Raaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwrrrrrrrr I AM AMERICAN!! I WILL CUT YOUR BALLS OFF!! RAAAAAAWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRR!!!

And yet again, when it comes down to it you guys are shit fighters and outclassed by even the most rugged Afghan fighters that are laughing their way to a victory against you guys now. All talk. Nothing else. So sad.

Getting your balls cut off in that part of the world isn't unheard of. Why would this be an American thing? Hell they cut clits off so the girl have no sexual pleasures - this is more common stuff for these stains.

Yep, out classed... and laughing too, yep. We've got the oil, the natural gas line, the drugs, the minerals and now our corporations are taking completely over - yep, America is all talk!

moeloubani · 02-22-2011, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Getting your balls cut off in that part of the world isn't unheard of. Why would this be an American thing? Hell they cut clits off so the girl have no sexual pleasures - this is more common stuff for these stains.

Yep, out classed... and laughing too, yep. We've got the oil, the natural gas line, the minerals and now our corporations are taking completely over - yep, America is all talk!

LOL You mean the oil you BUY from the Middle East? Right, keep on thinking you're getting it for free while dictators line their palaces with gold and stuff their safes with your money until the day the people can come and get it.

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No you showed the average age idiot... if the average age was 50, it wouldn't change the fact that it's happening to children daily - you sick pile of crap.

Wait since it happens in the US as well. Are you saying that the United States is just a bunch of rapist perverts? Since we're talking about it happening to children daily, and it happens to children daily in the United States, are you as an American a rapist pervert?

The rates of young marriage are way higher in South America and Asian countries. Are you saying those countries are full of rapists as well? Or are you just an anti-Semite?

moeloubani · 02-23-2011, 12:06 AM

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The difference being that in the US (and Canada) when that sort of behavior is found out the perpetrators are prosecuted and put behind bars. Fact is the major bulk of the N American population and legal systems DO NOT tolerate underage abuses, forced marriages and rape of children whatsoever.

Over in your neck of the woods though it seems to be quite commonplace and acceptable.

I'm not sure why you need that explained to you though, it's right in the article you linked to. Did you perhaps not read it?

You guys say this as if the girl has no choice, can't refuse the marriage and is stuck no matter what. That doesn't happen, and if it does, it's called rape and it is prosecuted as such. Women have a right to refuse marriage in Islam and marriage can't happen if the woman isn't willing even if her family wants it to happen.

So what is the complaint here, that they allow marriages to happen at a young age? Men aren't allowed to consummate the marriage until the girl goes through puberty and only if the girl is willing too.

I guess that is wrong though, those kids shouldn't be getting married they should be in little relationships that mean nothing giving blowjobs to whoever is the guy of the week like your average Canadian/American 13 year old.

kane · 02-23-2011, 12:26 AM

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Yeah no girl deserves to get raped no matter what the situation is but if the law is that she can't wear a short skirt and she wears a short skirt then she deserves the punishment that comes with it. Those are the rules.

I have always felt that a punishment should suit the crime. Being lashed or going to jail for wearing a skirt or sitting with someone who is not in your family or just being in public alone is not a fair punishment. Call me an American hypocrite if you want, but that is what I believe.

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What makes you think people don't have the right to just get up and walk away when they are adults? Women can divorce men anywhere in the Middle East, and you aren't forced to stay in your country anywhere. Just more stereotypes and stuff with no real basis.

That might be true in some countries,but not in other and if you truly believe that most middle eastern women can just walk away, get divorced and live a normal life you are living with your head in the sand. In many of these places getting a divorce for a man is simple, but a woman must go through a whole battery of thing and the process can drag out for years. This is not to mention that in many middle eastern countries women often make only 20-50% of what men do for the same work (if they can find work at all) so it is nearly impossible for a woman to support herself. The system is set up to keep women in a position of servitude and dependent on the men.

CDSmith · 02-23-2011, 12:33 AM

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You guys say this as if the girl has no choice, can't refuse the marriage and is stuck no matter what. That doesn't happen, and if it does, it's called rape and it is prosecuted as such. Women have a right to refuse marriage in Islam and marriage can't happen if the woman isn't willing even if her family wants it to happen.

Then explain to me why there are so many honor killings in islamic families, one of the main reasons for them being wanting to terminate or prevent an arranged marriage or desiring to marry by own choice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

Of course official islamic sites deny the existance of honor killings inside the religion and it's laws: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503543392

But that doesn't change the fact that many, not just a few but MANY islamic families have and do take the law into their own hands and perform honor killings throughout the islamic world.

Again, widely investigated, widely documented, several credible documentaries done on this over the years. I saw on a tv newsmagazine series just recently about a few that have been reported within the past few months.

http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamra...or_killing.htm

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...orkilling.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kamran..._b_168401.html

http://www.islamist-watch.org/928/do...honor-killings

Sorry, but again you're off-base and sadly misinformed. If you think that thousands of young women in the muslim world aren't being brutally killed, some for having the temerity to simply want to marry who they want rather than who they are told to marry, then you simply aren't keeping yourself informed or you are flat-out ignoring the problem. I can see why you'd choose to ignore it, since it's a complete and utter shame on your entire way of life and belief system.

Fact is, that kind of thing doesn't happen over here in the evil decadent "Canada & US". If it does it's almost always if not always muslims doing it who have emigrated here. I can't recall a single news story of it happening here in fact, but I do remember an episode of Law & Order that dealt with it, something about muslims doing forced clit-ectomies on their daughters (and trying to justify it).

Explain honor killings to me if you can.

moeloubani · 02-23-2011, 12:39 AM

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Then explain to me why there are so many honor killings in islamic families, one of the main reasons for them being wanting to terminate or prevent an arranged marriage or desiring to marry by own choice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

Of course official islamic sites deny the existance of honor killings inside the religion and it's laws: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503543392

But that doesn't change the fact that many, not just a few but MANY islamic families have and do take the law into their own hands and perform honor killings throughout the islamic world.

Again, widely investigated, widely documented, several credible documentaries done on this over the years. I saw on a tv newsmagazine series just recently about a few that have been reported within the past few months.

http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamra...or_killing.htm

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...orkilling.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kamran..._b_168401.html

http://www.islamist-watch.org/928/do...honor-killings

Sorry, but again you're off-base and sadly misinformed. If you think that thousands of young women in the muslim world aren't being brutally killed, some for having the temerity to simply want to marry who they want rather than who they are told to marry, then you simply aren't keeping yourself informed or you are flat-out ignoring the problem. I can see why you'd choose to ignore it, since it's a complete and utter shame on your entire way of life and belief system.

Fact is, that kind of thing doesn't happen over here in the evil decadent "Canada & US". If it does it's almost always if not always muslims doing it who have emigrated here. I can't recall a single news story of it happening here in fact, but I do remember an episode of Law & Order that dealt with it, something about muslims doing forced clit-ectomies on their daughters (and trying to justify it).

Explain honor killings to me if you can.

I'm not a Muslim, first of all, so it doesn't put any shame on my way of life or any belief system I have. In fact the only thing that is putting any shame on a belief system that I have is people like you are still around, racist anti-Semites and what's worse you're from Canada.

You really need to get racism out of you and realize that Arab women aren't only free to do what they want, but they value themselves way more than American women and are viewed with respect in the Middle East unlike in America where they just have to be pretty, ditsy, and down to fuck. The whole notion that Muslim women are oppressed and can't leave their marriages is just racism, the same racism that people had when they thought black people were savages. Ew, you disgust me.

If you're trying to say that because a tiny fraction of the population does these honor killings things that it somehow makes all Muslims monsters? I guarantee you more Canadian/American women kill their infant babies each year than there is honor killings. Does that mean the Americans hate babies and kill babies? Of course not, it means unfortunately some people are misled into believing what they are doing is right when it isn't and that is unfortunate. But to generalize a billion people on the actions of a few hundred is just stupid, don't you agree?

Blingbaby · 02-23-2011, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, we aren't. Libya isn't even in the top fifteen oil exporters to the US.

And even then, we aren't getting this oil on the cheap. We are paying out the ass for it. We get most of our oil from Canada and Mexico, and you don't see them bitching about how the US is controlling them.

The truth is the western world had a huge influence in the Middle East - mostly the UK - and when the UK walked away from it all they were left on their own. They invested everything into oil, and that's all they have.

When the oil runs out they are screwed.

That's right. Mexico. Canada. You keep saying this. Someday you will wake up from your NAFTA nightmare!

02-22-2011, 07:20 PM	#53
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	Moeloubani is an ignorant Palestinian...as most can see from his posts...and ignorant people are not aware that they are ignorant. I used to respond to him from time to time because he seemed to be reasonably articulate...and it took me awhile to realize that he is ignorant so I dismissed him as I try to avoid responding to ignorant people. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

02-22-2011, 09:05 PM	#63
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	What needs to really happen in the middle east is a huge sweep up of all children, from birth to 18, and toss them into reeducation camps. It doesn't really make a difference if they still hate americans or not, but someone has to teach them to wipe with toilet paper! __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

02-22-2011, 10:19 PM	#82
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	This stain moelouban needs to be banned from here if he thinks children being forced into marriage is okay because of religion. This industry doesn't need people like him hanging around. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

02-22-2011, 10:38 PM	#84
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	The peoples of the revolting Arab nations, when successful, will have the opportunity to form new governments that reflect their respective aspirations — I shall reserve judgment and avoid speculation as to their true goals until that time. I do think that the dominant powers should allow those same peoples unfettered options to their express their aspirations but as usual, they will attempt to interfere ... I do think it wise to get serious about alternative energy resources as the Middle East supplies have become volatile politically with the associated uncertainty in their supply. This probably will not happen as it creates a good excuse for rising prices.

02-22-2011, 09:15 PM	#68
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02-22-2011, 10:47 PM	#85
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	Ok one more post just to firmly grind you into the ground. You said to go look at UNICEF - so I did. I'm not a closed minded person, I will always try to learn if I can. But most of the time I just reaffirm that I'm right most of the time. This is another one of those times. UNICEF publication and the information I learned from it: http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/digest7e.pdf Asia, Africa and Latin Americans all marry younger than Arabs and marry younger more frequently than Arabs. Average age at first marriage in Egypt - 22, average age at first marriage in Yemen - 21. Looks like you were wrong yet again. Goodnight.