Robbie

Pornhub and all the tube sites they own have ONE source of revenue when you boil it down: Prepaid ads based on traffic garnered from stolen content. It's just that simple.

And I could care less about whatever horseshit he is spewing about how big Manwin is etc.
Reality: They are on the map because they now own Brazzers and all the tube sites. Period. Nobody gives a fuck about anything else they do.

Brazzers is something I like. I love big tits. That's a no-brainer. But it was always nothing more than a "medium" selling program for me. Worth a couple of grand a month max to me as an affiliate back when affiliates still made money. And since my top 3 programs I pushed all made me around 20 grand a month...Brazzers was my beer money.

So he can talk and bullshit all day long. Bottom line is....Pornhub and the rest of their tube sites are not monetized properly.
Yes, I KNOW that his Streamate white label on Pornhub & the other tubes makes the majority of the money for them (again made possible by the traffic brought in from OTHER PEOPLE'S CONTENT).

But I'm saying that...oh hell, don't listen to me...just LOOK at any video's page on Pornhub. It's a goddamn clusterfuck joke. MILLIONS of dollars being left on the table.

And Fabian can't "give" me shit. He isn't the owner. I don't want a job, they can't afford me. I want him fired and to take the whole damn thing over myself and turn it around. Start making some real money for everyone.

And I'd do it in a matter of days. Not the months that keep dragging by while Fabian flounders like a fish out of water....because he IS a fish out of water in the porn business.

He's a clown. Nothing more.

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Nicky

Another page another dollar

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gideongallery

if your so brilliant at monetizing the traffic why not simply buy a domain
buy tube feeder traffic and out build nat tube sites

your surplus profits based on your designs should cover the cost of building up th site until it bigger than anything nat got.

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Nathan

Seriously Robbie, as I offered before, I'll give you 10% of any increase you generate as long as its MILLIONS a month as you claim. For life.

You brag how you made 20k from your top programs as an affiliate.. Well, I'm offering you 200k or more (MILLIONS must mean 2m+) a month to show me how you are so superior than me... but you just ignore this offer, because, in the end of the day, you have no clue and are just afraid you might be wrong and look like a stupid idiot on GFY when you misserably fail.

And your excuse is that I can not "give" you anything since I have nothing to say... and my answer to that was I can prove it to you if you want...

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Robbie

And I already told you front boy...
The ONLY way I do business is face to face. You want to sit down with me then we do it that way. Already told you I'd fly myself to your town and come to your office and talk about it.

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Theo

I don't know how you guys come to such conclusions..... some of the posts are close to unreal. Nathan has an extremely capable and skilled team of people and they do a hell of great work.

Robbie

That's in your opinion Theo. In my experience...looking at any video page on Pornhub shows it to be a CLUSTER FUCK of prepaid ad spots and the videos that are being promoted are promoted with one tiny piece of text.

Come on man. Give me a break. There is nothing "capable" or "skilled" about the template page that they are using on their tube script.

Dear God! I would fire that "team" and do it all myself and make them look like the clue-less idiots they are.

Face it...they have a tube site built on stolen content. The only "skill" was the original owners having the balls and moral ineptitude to do such a thing in the first place. The rest of it is nothing more than a tube script.

If you can set up a mech bunny script, then you have the same "skill" as his "team".

Problem is none of them over there have any idea how to market something. Just LOOK at the pages. A cluster fuck, with no focus.

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Paul Markham

So more than $1,000 a week?

That's the problem. Every time I talked to an online porn professional I got answers like this like. No one would say something like "I can can work/team up with you and make a site that will pocket you $500,000 (for instance) a year.

Even when it came to brokering our content the answers were vague. Brokers like Ounique wouldn't buy the exclusive online resale license on our sets for $300. They would only broker. Later found out that selling them ourselves from a start up content store they were worth a lot more than $300. Same with paysites, people who wanted to do a deal, included it on their server, with them controlling it, processing and when asked "How Much?". The answers were vague.

When told we would want a contract with a 6 month review and get out clause, they went quiet. All the time they and others were telling me they would give me $300 exclusive for a set and video.

We got the picture the vast majority of these people didn't have a clue and weren't making the money they tried to make out they were.

And there's the problem in a nutshell. And your refusal to look at our bigger picture illustrates your blinkered thinking and your real marketing skills.

You keep showing some the graph for something we never really worked at. Yet you seem to realise why. We made a LOT of money selling to offline porn. So much we never really went the route of nearly all other major content providers, to shooting custom. We didn't need to, didn't have the time and couldn't be bothered for the money offered. You must know that.

The online store was phenomenally successful. Proof in the seeing, we're still open after 3 years of effectively closing the business. We stopped shooting mid July 2008. Yet sold some memberships and a content store order last night. In anyones book that, not bad. And I finished my recent jigsaw.

So we had offline sales and online sales. Take a stab at what they were worth.

Then ask yourself, would you give that up to risk losing it to open a paysite?

Let's put it this way, would you give up your job of writing emails, to take up shooting content?

We did it in 2005 and everyone said, go exclusive. Well would you advise shutting down the content stores to risk a paysite being successful. And starting with 40 exclusive sets and never releasing more to the stores?

I always thought shooting video of girls who don't speak English, wasn't going to work that well. So it might of meant coming back to the UK, giving up the magazine side of the business to open a risky paysite.

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I've read it and will listen to you. Can you rewrite the program the email goes onto?

If not I'll get someone who can and try your one. Sent mine out last week, will send the same one out this week. Or send out 50/50 your new one and mine.

To be honest I've never thought selling to someone who knows our product needed a lot of "marketing". They just need a reminder we're still here. They know, trust and rely on us. Selling to them is easy. But will try your method and if it works pay you.

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carzygirls

I'll take that bet... Make them feel like they can post there daily activities and then... you have them sold...

Paul Markham

I wasn't directing that comment at Manwin or even about today, it was what companies could of done in the past to improve their business and profit line.

Employing a good shooter would of meant less hassles. Good shooters do more than shoot, they arrange shoots, organise, interview and filter models, build scenes, know niches and they do ALL the offline selling. So 0 hassle, better content and better members areas. More money..

Today it's too late, free content killed the magazines. 5 to 10 years ago it would of been great. And everyone would of liked an extra $30k a month in their pockets then. Thinking it can be done today is wrong. Even the DVD industry is winding down. Maybe you should sit down with Steve Hirsch and take some advice from him on selling in the DVD market.

Employing a professional content man at the top of your content structure, would kick start your members areas. Today who ever runs Manwin's isn't very good and if he or you come to the Prague show I will tell you face to face the same.

The mistakes made are many, elementary and costing Manwin money. A lot of money if you're the size you claim.

You're not alone. For over 10 years the main focus has always been getting customers, never keeping them. So today there are tons of sites all with similar low quality content. Robbie makes the point about creating good content and then protecting it. No point in protecting 90% of the content online sites have. Everyone else in the same niche has the same content. Just a different sofa and different girl.

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Nathan

You base your opinion on mis-information.
1) most ads on the video pages are not prepaid, they are bid on per view
2) sponsored videos are promoted by at least a text link, but if you can read and upload banners, it's a banner below the player too. random video from phub frontpage: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=593548480
3) Channels are fully skinned ad wise: http://www.pornhub.com/channel/twistys
4) Standard video pages from channel content use more than below player ads, depending on performance vs normal ads: http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=573538588 -- this is also different for each geo, since in some geo's we might just outperform the site itself with our special geo targeted ads. The below video banner and above video text link is always guaranteed. The channel button on the top right is always guaranteed which brings fans to the channel videos fully skinned.

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Paul Markham

Not when it comes to content.

The scenes are often duplicated, often lack good invention or innovation and often lack passion. Some of the shooting is very poor and by people less than capable.

The people at the top aren't directing the content production team properly and the people doing the work, either don't care to offer comments or aren't being listened to.

And they're not alone in this. Nearly the whole online porn industry is in a similar situation. There are a few exceptions that we all know well.

When it comes to tweaking tours, getting banners, links, colors of join buttons and text in an email. We're over supplied with marketing men and advise. Let's get this banner with that scene, get the text right, have a big join button, and so on. The motivation to click the banner or link is very often down to "How cheap can you shoot it for."

Even Fabian can't see the benefits of having a really professional guy at the top of his content team and is posting all about links?

And the customers are slowly turning off buying.

So let's tinker with the designs, layouts and links and test them.

If you look at this industry from the sidelines, you see vast changes in the way we drive traffic and give away free content (marketing). And little in the product. Now we have HD. What else has changed?

So much free content the surfers out number customers by 1,000s to 1.

That's not the point of marketing. The point is to improve sales, not devastate them.

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That's because making up bullshit figures isn't something professionals do.

As a businessman Paul, you must be able to get your head around this.

I am guaranteeing I will make you more than it costs to hire me. Or I will refund the money.

You'd have to be MENTAL not to accept such an offer.

Guessing about specific numbers is not something I do. There's no point in trying to get business by lying about what I might be able to do. So I offer a guarantee.

If you don't want to take me up on that, I'd understand. Because you don't get the internet.

You claim you didn't work on it. But with your demonstrable track record of lying, I wager you did work on it. With your magic join links and your affiliates and your advertising, but because you simply do not understand the internet, you failed at it. As the data proves.

You opened a paysite and worked on it and it failed horribly. So you pretend you put no time or effort into it and it was just a joke. Cool. Whatever, Paul.

If you had, you'd have a brand and money that would mean you don't have to beg on GFY, you don't have to send your wife out for a second job and you wouldn't have to be such a massive hypocrite accepting 3k of piracy money from Fabian. (Allegedly).

I know why you are so angry and bitter and have to lie all day.

You were in the right place at the right time to CLEAN UP with online porn. Such a back catalogue. Wow.

However, because you didn't understand it, you stuck to the dead tree business, which is dead.

Shame. You could be really rich now, which is a measure you seem to hold high to equate happiness.

Sorry, I didn't know the very simple act of opening a paysite would have meant you had to stop all other work? I guess I missed that memo :D

DamianJ

No. I am a creative, not a developer.

Paul, you don't need to 'write email software'. There's lots of options. PHPlist, Lyris, or the new YNOT email which is very cheap. If you can't afford it, I will pay for your set up to get this test done.

Paul, you really need some kind of strategy. You don't just send the same spam email to the same list a week later.

But if you want to piss off your list, sure we can do that. I will do a wireframe and the copy for your designer.

That's because you don't 'get' what marketing is.

It's not BEING SOLD TO, it's about making a story that is easy to tell someone. It's presenting something in a way looks appealing. It's about treating your audience with professional respect.

The last thing I would ever do is take your money. I will do it for free, just to give you a clue about how a marketing professional can make you more money. What's your email address, I'll have a couple of creatives over to you by the end of the day.

DamianJ

Here's one creative for you. You have a time limited offer you want people to respond to. So in order to capture the time sensitive nature of the offer, I've worked out an idea based on the popular television show 24.
24 worked a lot with split screen effects, viz:







So the email creative is based on that split screen idea. Few points to note.

1) There is a call to action above the fold. The "click on my head" button is visable to readers in a preview pane, and has your pic, and a call to action. So people instantly will know it's from you and that they are expected to click.

2) There is very little sales text. Average read time for an email is 3-6 seconds. So you need to think more like a postcard, or a 24 sheet that a letter.

3) The legal stuff and unsub is tiny

4) There is a VERY large obvious and compelling call to action

5) The call to action is in the very recognisable font 24 used

That's it really.

I'll come up with some others throughout the day.

Obviously, this is just a wireframe, with badly stretched images and place holders. It's to show your designer what I want and IS NOT a finished design. Although the fact it is 600 pixels wide IS important.

DamianJ

had another idea

time running out

so an hour glass

it is simple, recognised world wide and easy to get a stock shot of.

the copy is short and simple, with elegant alliteration at the end and several time sensitive calls to action

this also incorporates 9 thumbs, with their own call to action, so people can see your best work.

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gideongallery

given the number of deals he would have been better to do aa 4-7 day day firesale type structure.

by grouping sets with a daily special he could have done 2-3 per day email cycle. (24 hour/10 hours/59 minutes)

and put an upsell to buy everything to all the buyers of anything within that launch sequence.

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DamianJ

I'm not telling him how to do his sales or business. I'm just making better emails that will get more clicks.

Paul Markham

And you have to get your head around, no businessman goes into a partnership or employs someone on a blind offer.

If you offer to put up up before I pay up, I will take your offer. If I make Manwin pay first. I'm definitely not giving you money for you to give back on a promise. We will write a mutually agreeable contract.

I get the Adult Internet very well. A lot of people who thought they had to give porn away to sell it. A lot of people who made offers that mean nothing.

And a market that would decline if people carried on as they were. Which it has, so how well do you need to get the Internet, not to understand that?

The Internet as far as porn is concerned is just another method of delivering porn. You "marketing" guys (when I say you, I don't mean it personally. It applies to all people who only just sent traffic) built a barrier between the customer and the supplier and now the supplier jumps to your wishes. The problem is your wishes aren't what the customer wants.

I did very little work on it, got far bigger things to do. The data proves nothing. The data is in my bank account. When will you get it. The paysites are the least of our concern. They never figured large in our income, never thought they would, just another string to our bow. Use a wider vision.

It didn't fail. Today the traffic is low. Still got members, still making money. 5 years ago it did well as our 3rd string.

From debating intelligently you go to stupid mode so fast.

Now on idiot mode.

I'm very happy and you have no clue how happy I am. Ask ReggieDurango, he filmed me if I'm unhappy.

As someone who lives in a rented flat that looks like a dump and films it. What have you made in online porn?

What gives you the idea I'm not rich? Please come up with something better than a thread put up by a friend telling people I'm in trouble and locked out of my bank account, yes my biggest mistake, when Eva was in a coma. And the joke thread about buying new lenses. What makes you think I'm broke?

Do you read what I posted or just made it up as you go along?

A good paysite needs videos of girls who can speak English.
I live in a country where few girls speak English.

The girls are much better looking here and loads are a slam dunk for magazines sales at $3,000 a set. In the years 1999 to 2008 we shot 2100 sets. Do the sums.

Then add content store sales. Including DVDs.

Then add the sets we broker.

Do the sums.

Now to shot a successful site I would need English speaking girls, exclusive content and spend time looking after the paysite. Launching it is an easy job, looking after affiliates, building their tools, keeping them supplied with new content to give away?

All on the promise that someone living in a rented dump can make me more than he will cost me?

Figure it would cost me millions. Then you're thinking like a businessman.

Or do you think we shot 2100+ full sets, 600+ videos and 100s of Readers wives sets, had a 3500 sq ft studio, employed 8 people. On a business that wasn't making a lot of money?

You are thinking like a person who had little to lose in starting a paysite. Without realising you're talking to someone who had a lot to lose starting a paysite. If you're calculations are right and we make no money from the paysite, do you really think someone like you could make us millions?

Then the question that has to be asked is. Why didn't you do it yourself, what stopped you from opening a paysite?

You have nothing much to lose, you're a brilliant marketing man, you understand the Internet so well. Shooting content is easy and you always tell me how bad I am shooting scared girls with dry pussies. So you must be able to do a better job than me.

You would of made enough to buy yourself a mansion by now.

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TheDoc

I can make guarantees like this... to the right companies, but I don't do marketing/sales.

A one man show type company with no support staff already making an income working to the bone, isn't going to be able to maintain the growth, so guaranteeing it wouldn't be smart. But an established company with a team, ready to grow - that's a totally different story.

The issue for me isn't the results, it's finding companies that can or will pay, what's it's actually worth.

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A third concept.

We work in porn. People like a laugh. So if you can make them chuckle, you are half way to getting a sale. IMHO.

So some self deprecating humour might work really well.

Here's a rough idea:

DamianJ

What's blind about it? I guarantee I will make you more than it costs to hire me. Even you can see that is a no brainer of an offer.

I have done you three email creatives for free.

And I would never take money from you. I'm not a hypocrite.

Paul, I don't want your money.

No we won't. I don't want, nor would I ever take money from you.

Your data paints the opposite picture from that.

Again demonstrating you actually have no idea what marketing is. But whatevs.



The stats prove otherwise.

There really is no point debating with you, you don't have a basic comprehension of the words I use.

Personal attacks and lies again? WOW.

You.


Quote me once saying shooting content is easy. I make no claims to be able to take good pictures. I claim I am good at marketing. And I am.

My email creatives prove this, where as your email idea, well, it just proves you don't understand the VERY BASICS of the internet.

And the pic of your mansion is where?

I love pwning you. It's so very easy.

DamianJ

A fourth creative

Following up HTML with a plain text email is really strong.

I would send out a plain text email like this:


Hi Paul,

I sent you an email about a 50% off discount last week and you didn't take me up on it. I wanted to basically beg you to. I'm fucked. My boughtwife has had to take a second job. I'm forced into working for people I despise. And I do nothing but post about free porn and content on gfy all day.

I really need you to buy just one set from me.

Just one.

I know, I know I said "my content isn't good enough", but fuck it, it's cheap.

So, please please please buy it. I'm on my knees. I'm desperate. I need your money to pay my bills.

HELP ME.

CLICK HERE TO BUY MY DRY CUNTED 80's TEENS PICS

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Paul Markham

We agree on something.

This is exactly the position we were until recently.

We had bills to pay, employees, our income and wages, car and the expenses of shooting, flying back and forth to the UK and US to sell. Then a studio and more employees.

Risk all that by going into shooting custom? The problem was finding an online company that would pay the right money. Well it wasn't a problem for long. Soon found none would pay decent money, even in the glory days of online porn.

Risk all that by going into paysites? Not from the picture I saw. Loads of companies that talked big and then I found out it was just that, talk. Many working from home, many couldn't afford decent content.

Today the issue is even worse, there are even fewer companies who will pay decent money.

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DamianJ

Paul, where is the rule saying that people that produce content must STOP doing that if they want to run a paysite?

Couldn't you have employed someone with a clue to make your site for you, rather than you doing it in frontpage?




Anyway, you want to push on with my free offer? I'll even pay for you to use ynot mail so we can split test properly as your sending solution is more than likely you BCCing on your ISP's SMTP.

Which of the 4 ideas do you prefer?

Paul Markham

We had programmers and could of employed a marketing guy in a heart beat for a paysite. What would one cost, $50,000 a year, $100,000 for a top guy?

No it was about the content production that worried me. Do we use the content we had sold and were selling to magazines?

Do we go 100% exclusive?

Do we come back to the UK to get girls who speak English?

Do we stop selling on the stores?


We only mail out from [email protected]. It's an ethical thing for us. Not using fake emails to get around people who have decided they no longer want our mail. We send porn pics out.

Will let you know by email soon, how we proceed. If it works, you have to take money from us. Another ethics thing.

Email me so I can tell you how we proceed.

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The Porn Nerd

Notice how Paul ignores my two suggestions - start a paysite review site and start a consulting company. Org laugh.

BTW: No one has the "perfect" way of doing things, everyone has their own way that works for them.

DamianJ: Great ideas for emails!!

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Nicky

The amount of text he writes here on GFY daily would really come in handy on a paysite review site. ALso he can be brutaly honest and the surfers would love him just like he wants

no joke.

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he is talking about what mailing list software you use to manage your mailing

the email address you assign to the reply to settings is irrelevent to that question

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DamianJ

Paul, bless you. In email there is something called a REPLY-TO and something called a DISPLAY NAME. The reply-to is your email address. In this case, [email protected]. I think this is slightly odd, as it is your content store, but whatevs. The display name is the name that appears in the email client.

Hope that helps you understand the basics. In my Educational Series posts on email I cover all this in 101. You should have a read.

That's the end of that then.

It's an ethics thing.

I will never, ever take money from you.

So you can have my creative work for free. Use it if you want, learn from this experience if you can, and hopefully you will send out less dreadful emails in the future. If your designer wants the AI files, let me know I will send them

Or don't.

It's no skin off my nose either way. I've done the work. I think the ideas were good and I know for a fact any one of them would get you more clicks than the one you sent out.

PS Don't just spam the same list the same email next week. It's insulting. Segment the non-opens and send them the same creative if you want, with a different subject. But please don't just send the same thing out again.

PPS If things are tight, I am willing to pay for your use of a proper email service for a month so you can see how much of a difference applying just a little thought to your emailing makes.

DamianJ

Well thank you.

That's what I just LOVE doing. Coming up with interesting ideas for email that get people to click.

The 24 one is my favourite I think, but the hourglass works too. I know the self-deprecating one would get the most attention, but he wouldn't have the balls to send that one. Takes himself too seriously.

Anyway, they are now copyright free ideas.

Anyone that likes any aspect of my work and ideas in this thread is free to use them in anyway they see fit.

The Porn Nerd

That's top notch right there folks! Thanks DamianJ.


I was being 100% serious with my advice. Okay, starting a "consulting company" in this day and age would be a little rough but perhaps not if Paul focused on "Ma and Pa" operations or start-ups. Maybe they are below his income standards. Who knows.

But a review site would be right up his alley. I am planning one myself for later this year (since these posts prove my honesty, heh) and I would employ Paul as a reviewer in a heartbeat. But again, with his problems with online porn and all things Peabody....LOL We'll see how it goes as we go along but regardless, Paul should absolutely do this.

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Nicky

Always wanted to start a review site but It's a damn lot of work and writing. Just buying the reviews from some writer is not the same thing for a review site as It has to have my opinion. For my blogs I can just buy 200 posts and start scheduling as I am more on the volume side than quality side there.

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Paul Markham should write reviews, but they should only be printed in magazines.

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I'm about to go the volume route via blogs, too, and will need blog writers. But for a review site I and a couple really good people (Paul?) will write them. Writing is my natural trade (can't you tell?) rather than being an Internationally Famous Pornstar. Haha!

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20k a month is nothing.. lots of big players make that a day..

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You didn't read my post. I said my top THREE programs (out of over 400 I promote) made 20 k a month (not anymore of course)

From 1996 to 2007 I was averaging right around 90 to 100 grand a month as an affiliate.

I KNOW how to sell pay sites. My cam and dating made good money but nothing as lucrative as selling memberships to paysites.

That's why I'm saying that Pornhub and all the other tube sites just do not "get it" when it comes to fully monetizing their sites.

They do the equivalent of when I used to sell spots on my "Nasty Nine" list on Ampland. In other words...pre-paid spots.
That was nice cash...at 6 grand a text spot each per month (54 k in my pocket just for that ONE little section on the main page)...but the bigger picture was selling paysite memberships.

I look at pornhubs individual video pages (and their main page) and it's like watching a child trying to figure out something...it's so fucked up. I could turn that kind of shit around and add to the monetization of the site by actually making GOOD sales to the paysites the video came from AND once that starts up...then Pornhub, Keez Movies, and all the other bullshit tubes that Manwin bought would stop being a pariah on our industry and start making everyone money.

At that point...all the hiding behind DMCA would be pointless because people will WANT their content up there instead of being pissed that it got stolen and is being used to sell dating, cams, and penis pills.

Manwin would actually be highly regarded. And the clown who fronts the company (fabian) would be treated like a king instead of taking an ass beating at a show.

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Haha!! your enjoying this.

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plsureking

you are way to late to jump into the review business. talk to the guys who own the top 10-20 review sites and ask how their traffic and sales are these days. there are so many review sites already - most are clones - that you will have a hard time gaining a following. and if you do succeed at that, your actual conversions will be so few that you would make more per hour working in a sweat shop.

an idea that could work is putting a reviews section in the member's area of your paysites. write personalized reviews of a smaller amount of sites that you recommend. your reviews will be read by members that trust you, and your conversion rate will be much higher.

member trades are the highest converting source of traffic in porn. members already have a history of buying porn and are usually looking for something new. merge the review concept with the member trade tactic and you will have a nice secondary income.

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Nathan

Robbie.. somehow no one is giving me any ass beatings at shows :/

Neither do they give any of my employees any issues.

When I'm at the next vegas show, I'll look out for you and wait for that ass beating.. can't really expect more from you than that....

Your remarks are all useless. Why even be here and brag about the 90-100k as an affiliate?! You do not understand tubes, so why do you think you can monetize them better than the ones that understand them most? That's beyond me.... your "suggestions" you posted here make no sense, especially not in connection with what I told you already...

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Robbie

Fabian I haven't said I was going to beat your ass. But there are plenty of people that want to. But you know that already.

I'm not one of them because I solved my problems with piracy.

As far as "understanding" tubes? Give me a break man.

It's a SCRIPT. And not understanding or wanting to understand how to focus in and get people to click a link to the paysite that the video came from is your problem.

I DO understand how to do that better than you, anybody on your staff, and anybody that you know.

I'm done with you now. It was fun reading your posts for a while. I hope that the real owners of Manwin read this (they probably won't) and get somebody like me (there are about a few, very few) in there to take over. It really could start something that could turn the industry around.

Meanwhile you just keep doing what you do...

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Nathan

Robbie, no, that is not at all our problem. But that's the part you do not get...

Actually putting you into a group of "very few" people that are somehow masters at conversion and saying nobody I know is as good as you, that in itself, is hilarious. But that's how you are, gotta admire the persistence...

You do not understand tubes, that's just how it is. Your suggestions scream that fact. If you actually had something to show for yourself (and no, 100k a month as an affiliate might be good, but its clearly not top of the industry) I would invite you to Montreal to tell my people to their face that they are idiots and that I am just a frontman... But since all you do is brag and pretend you are the best thing since sliced bread, why bother?

If you actually had just an ounce of humbleness towards anything or anyone that does what you do, it would go a long way... but like you post, you are just an ass...

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Robbie

Really? You're preaching to me about being humble? You're preaching to ME about bragging? You're a guy who NEVER ran one successful site in your life! And if I had a nickel for every time you've BRAGGED about how "you" are responsible for Manwin's success (which was built BEFORE when it was still Mansef...before you were ever involved, and built on piracy) and another nickel for how many times you've bragged that nobody can possibly understand you or how gigantic "your" company is...I'd be even richer.

And I'll gladly tell your "people" they don't have a clue. Anybody with eyes can look at Pornhub and see what it is. There's nothing there that shows any skills. Just prepaid ads jammed on in a nice spammy way. Just give it a rest man.

I actually had considered flying to meet you and sitting down. But now? It would take a lot to get me to even consider doing anything with you.

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plsureking

just sayin'... lol...

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Nathan

Robbie, Manwin does more than 120% more in revenue and profits than Mansef ever did... How was everything built by Mansef?!

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DamianJ

I just love it when Robbie pretends to have someone on ignore, then tries and fails badly to argue, then says THAT'S IT I'M DONE and then replies AGAIN 4 minutes later.

Discipline Robbie. Mullets need discipline.