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papill0n · 09-24-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

They still spend money. Big payout promos, banners, yes the parties aren't what they used to be and banners are cheaper and many have discovered opening a Tube for themselves is getting sign ups at a better margin.

Think of it in context to the whole post. I'll post something about it tomorrow.

Good seeing you, should of come over, shown you my award and thanked you for your help getting me it.

here you are kissing roalds ass when he is running the exact sort of site that is causing you so much grief

He gives away more free content then you have cups of earl grey you geriatric dope

you really are dumb - its the most fitting adjective for you - seriously

fucking troll

theking · 09-24-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

So dumb, you have to think he's kidding. But not smart enough to pull off such an elaborate plan to look so dumb all the time... so he you're thinking that he can't be kidding. Then you think back quite a few years and you're thinking "yeah, actually he was always like this but it was just about other shit like politics, it was only after all his business completely tanked did he start babbling about tubes and why porn is a dead business and only he knows how to make money in porn".

He's always saying shit that no sane person can believe and so clearly speaking about things he knows nothing about, so you even though you know better, you still keep thinking "no one is this stupid"... but he's clearly not intelligent enough to pull off such an elaborate plan to consistently look so retarded just to wind people up, so you know that logically, he has to be this stupid... but its a sort of stupid that's just so deep, so profound and so unwavering no matter what facts are presented, that you are still thinking he can't be serious even as you start to realize he actually is.

The guy comes here to this forum to beg for money, admits his wife has to work to help pay the bills, his business is a joke, he lives off the government/pensions, not porn... but lectures non stop about how to make money in porn.

Such an epic mind fuck from the best accidental troll ever. A troll that's so dumb, he doesn't even know he's trolling... he actually thinks he's proving points and making sense. It's a stupid that runs so deep, a stupid that's so pure, that you kinda have to admire it in a way.

Excellent spot on critique of the clueless one.

Paul Markham · 09-24-2011, 11:45 PM

5 pages and counting.

For those who want to read about real marketing. https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18450443&postcount=40

The Porn Nerd · 09-25-2011, 12:08 AM

Paul, my dear Award Winner (congratulations again, that is serious cool, in it's own way), many believe it is time for you to put up or shut up.

You must show us all how to make money in porn in 2012, okay?

Paul Markham · 09-25-2011, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Paul, my dear Award Winner (congratulations again, that is serious cool, in it's own way), many believe it is time for you to put up or shut up.

You must show us all how to make money in porn in 2012, okay?

OK then.

Stop doing what 1,000s have done before and clearly not working as well as it use to.

Think of a better solution than copying other failed business plans.

Do something at a level 1,000s or others can't do.

Do something that can't be stolen and make all your work wasted.

Make the customer the real king, not the guy holding a sign to a porn site that doesn't convert. And when it does only 1% or less.

You have one site in your stable of sites, with a level of porn that can't be shot by a fool with a camera and a naked girl and guy. It's just one way to cut yourself apart from the rest of the pack. There are a handful of people who can shoot top level porn, be it Ed Powers at his height, John Stagliano and others.

With respect to Dean, Aaron and Jim and me for that matter. Anyone with a modicum of training can shoot to our level. My skill was finding a procession of new fresh faces and talking them into getting their kit off. Then making them happy while doing it so the sets sold to customers. I'm never in the realms of the top offline guys. This I've always known.

The rest will be discussed with people with the will, money and power to make it happen. If you have that we can talk privately and when it's launched people will see what I was talking about and will then have to try to duplicate it.

Of course the clues are in the many posts I've made over the years.

What is obvious to everyone is to keep doing as we are today will only continue the trends of today.

This is where all the porn traffic is these days and we all know how much it's worth to paysites. The sites who provide the free content so they can sell us back the shit traffic they converted it to.

The model of 2000 is busted. Can sites afford to make a model for 20112 and/or do they have the balls?

The rest is for those who don't want everything for free.

theking · 09-25-2011, 01:27 AM

Clueless...he said show not tell...there is a difference now isn't there?

sandman! · 09-25-2011, 01:31 AM

blind leading the blind

Jakez · 09-25-2011, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

OK then.

Stop doing what 1,000s have done before and clearly not working as well as it use to.

Think of a better solution than copying other failed business plans.

Do something at a level 1,000s or others can't do.

Do something that can't be stolen and make all your work wasted.

Make the customer the real king, not the guy holding a sign to a porn site that doesn't convert. And when it does only 1% or less.

You have one site in your stable of sites, with a level of porn that can't be shot by a fool with a camera and a naked girl and guy. It's just one way to cut yourself apart from the rest of the pack. There are a handful of people who can shoot top level porn, be it Ed Powers at his height, John Stagliano and others.

With respect to Dean, Aaron and Jim and me for that matter. Anyone with a modicum of training can shoot to our level. My skill was finding a procession of new fresh faces and talking them into getting their kit off. Then making them happy while doing it so the sets sold to customers. I'm never in the realms of the top offline guys. This I've always known.

The rest will be discussed with people with the will, money and power to make it happen. If you have that we can talk privately and when it's launched people will see what I was talking about and will then have to try to duplicate it.

Of course the clues are in the many posts I've made over the years.

What is obvious to everyone is to keep doing as we are today will only continue the trends of today.

This is where all the porn traffic is these days and we all know how much it's worth to paysites. The sites who provide the free content so they can sell us back the shit traffic they converted it to.

The model of 2000 is busted. Can sites afford to make a model for 20112 and/or do they have the balls?

The rest is for those who don't want everything for free.

Ever heard of the saying "easier said than done"?

If everything is so easy and simple in your eyes and everyone is doing it wrong and could be making more money than why don't you DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING to shut everyone up..? Oh yeah.. you're too sick. So that's a perfectly good excuse to just act like you know everything huh?

Sorry that's not even an excuse, you spend enough time typing up all this amazing information when you could be doing something productive like putting something together and finding a way to 'fix' the broken model.

The truth has to be that you really don't know what you're talking about but you like to act like it. Easy as that.

CaptainHowdy · 09-25-2011, 06:09 AM

Trolled by the best ...

Paul Markham · 09-25-2011, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jakez

Ever heard of the saying "easier said than done"?

If everything is so easy and simple in your eyes and everyone is doing it wrong and could be making more money than why don't you DO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING to shut everyone up..? Oh yeah.. you're too sick. So that's a perfectly good excuse to just act like you know everything huh?

Sorry that's not even an excuse, you spend enough time typing up all this amazing information when you could be doing something productive like putting something together and finding a way to 'fix' the broken model.

The truth has to be that you really don't know what you're talking about but you like to act like it. Easy as that.

I never said it was easy, online porn has taken the easy route for 12 years and look where it has left us. Clowns like you who couldn't get a job in offline porn, think they know something about porn because they submit a gallery or video clip to a site.

It has to be hard to succeed or every idiot will be doing it and we're back to square one.

Of course you and a few others will be far to dumb to comprehend that.

Paul Markham · 09-25-2011, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Trolled by the best ...

They're too stupid to realise that anything that can be copied and done easily will be worthless in a few weeks time.

Yes I need a sponsor with the balls to talk to about moving up to another level. I'm not going to go back to work full time and can only work in the roll of advisor on one level. Porn and making it right so it sells it.

Harder than giving 1,000s of affiliates a load of free porn to distribute, but that's yesterdays model.

This is strictly for those who want to look for tomorrows model.

If it were another tool to give away more free porn, easier, cheaper and faster than we do now. They would be all over it in a flash. And ratios would get worse.

Barry-xlovecam · 09-25-2011, 07:51 AM

There is a correlation between traffic and sales but quality traffic is gold and few get it ;=)

We get a large number of type-ins and we have trademarked and branded websites -- this type-in traffic converts 20 times better than any purchased traffic.

My advice -- work on branding your product or sell as an affiliate for a company that has a well branded product.

Treat your customers fairly and listen to them.

justinsain · 09-25-2011, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

...With respect to Dean, Aaron and Jim and me for that matter. Anyone with a modicum of training can shoot to our level. My skill was finding a procession of new fresh faces and talking them into getting their kit off. Then making them happy while doing it so the sets sold to customers. I'm never in the realms of the top offline guys. This I've always known......

Do you think you would've enjoyed the same success with your skill set if you were working and based in LA?

Paul Markham · 09-25-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

Do you think you would've enjoyed the same success with your skill set if you were working and based in LA?

No way, lesser quality of new girls available.

There's a very good reason that so many stills shooters mover to Eastern Europe. The girls.

Even with all the skills a chef can't make a silk purse from a sows ear.

justinsain · 09-25-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No way, lesser quality of new girls available.

There's a very good reason that so many stills shooters mover to Eastern Europe. The girls.

Even with all the skills a chef can't make a silk purse from a sows ear.

There are beautiful women all over the world. Customs and cultural differences play a big part in whether local girls will participate in porn. Although it has relaxed some, the US still frowns on pornography and most girls are unwilling to do it so the talent pool is small compared to other countries with a much more relaxed attitude.

So Eastern Europe has a culture and economy which gives girls more freedom to participate in porn without the stigma. The girls are easy and willing to do just about anything asked for a few dollars which makes the talent pool much larger. No doubt its one of the best places to find young, beautiful girls to do porn. Uninhibited and the need for money is what makes them extremely easy to work with.

Working with girls with that Eastern European mindset should be a breeze compared to working with girls in the US or other countries where they are more inhibited. So really those that work with girls that are harder to deal with but still manage to create a great product are much more skilled than those that work with girls that don't care and all they have to do is follow directions.

Boasting about how one has the skill to pull the best performance out of girls with little to no inhibitions is like a guy telling his friends at the bar he is the biggest stud because every time he goes to the whore house he gets laid. Your success IS because of your location and has little to do with some perceived skill in getting the best performance out of a model. If you came to LA you would most likely get much different results. In your case location is everything.

Paul Markham · 09-25-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

There are beautiful women all over the world. Customs and cultural differences play a big part in whether local girls will participate in porn. Although it has relaxed some, the US still frowns on pornography and most girls are unwilling to do it so the talent pool is small compared to other countries with a much more relaxed attitude.

So Eastern Europe has a culture and economy which gives girls more freedom to participate in porn without the stigma. The girls are easy and willing to do just about anything asked for a few dollars which makes the talent pool much larger. No doubt its one of the best places to find young, beautiful girls to do porn. Uninhibited and the need for money is what makes them extremely easy to work with.

Working with girls with that Eastern European mindset should be a breeze compared to working with girls in the US or other countries where they are more inhibited. So really those that work with girls that are harder to deal with but still manage to create a great product are much more skilled than those that work with girls that don't care and all they have to do is follow directions.

Boasting about how one has the skill to pull the best performance out of girls with little to no inhibitions is like a guy telling his friends at the bar he is the biggest stud because every time he goes to the whore house he gets laid. Your success IS because of your location and has little to do with some perceived skill in getting the best performance out of a model. If you came to LA you would most likely get much different results. In your case location is everything.

I love it when someone writes 300 words to prove how clueless they are.

Unlike other loser trolls I will prove what I said.

No matter how good your skills are, the quality of the tools you have to work with will make the finished product better or worse. So all you words are meaningless. A shooter of higher quality can get a better product with a better model.

Girls of Eastern European descent are Slavic generally. They have a rounder face, this is a woman is considered more beautiful.

Eastern European women are less aggressive and combative with men, more feminine than US women. Certainly easier to deal with.

Eastern Europe is poorer than the US. Their expectations are lower, their living costs are lower. What a girl needs to survive for a month in LA would keep one in Czech very comfortable. The Eastern Europeans have far less money pressures than US women.

This is a very small community here, once one person knows, everyone seems to know. Being seen naked having sex carries less shame in a culture like the US than CZ.

Getting a bigger supply of fresh good looking girls before they find the other 30 shooters who will work with them is far better than being in LA at the bottom rung of the ladder. Remember Dean spamming a "Just 18" girl? A lot had already shot her. And gave her the wrong idea on her power and place in the industry.

The idea we under pay girls is one put forward by fools. If the budget allows for the paying of US or UK rates. Pay it and put all the cheap skates after you. The best shooters here did this. Deni de Francesco paid his agent Petra a big bonus to get girls fresh and paid the girls well. I paid London rates and found girls direct before they knew what the rate was. Then the next guy who thought he could pay less was pretty well screwed. Even f she did work, she thought she was being under paid.

If you had came here in 2005 you would of found every top EU shooter had been here or was here. And many Americans.

The same rules apply on modes and shooters, as it does on affiliates and sites. Great affiliates, send your traffic to a poor site or send it to a great site. One produces poor results, the other great results. In affiliates case content is everything. Just like shooters.

I have always said my success is down to finding lots of great new girls. If I were in the US, I would never of been able to do that. My success would of been lower. If Dean had come here, his success would of been higher.

The last part of your post was the most nonsensical.

Paul Markham · 09-26-2011, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

There is a correlation between traffic and sales but quality traffic is gold and few get it ;=)

We get a large number of type-ins and we have trademarked and branded websites -- this type-in traffic converts 20 times better than any purchased traffic.

My advice -- work on branding your product or sell as an affiliate for a company that has a well branded product.

Treat your customers fairly and listen to them.

Good post and makes sense if your product is one based on a one off sale.

Making a product that looks like a Rolls Royce, but in essence a Ford in a nice wrapping. Is going to work.

Putting crap pictures of crap models and making it look like Playboy. Isn't going to work. Playboy relies on the same customer buying again and again. They always used to in porn and now obviously don't. It could be any magazine or DVD or paysite.

Online porn never ever got that. They saw the enormous potential of billions of surfers, or a future with billions, and thought it would never stop. So the race was on to put up sites that many could do, drive traffic that many could do and 10,000s got to feed in the trough. And for a short while it all worked.

No one care about the fact that 99.5% of consumers were not buying and this % was growing, because there was millions coming online in countries we could bill. Set the bar as low as possible and keep churning out sites and driving traffic. To hell with the ratios not buying, there was always more traffic to be had.

Then we got hit by a quadruple whammy.

Recession that's not even half way through, speeds, Tubes and the slacking of of people coming online in places we could bill.

Recession was hard and instead or porn being recession proof, as it was always a little bit of light relief, it was to be had for free with the same relief.

Speeds Now members could download a whole site for $30 and share it with 1,000s of others or not buy a membership for months.

Tubes, simply no need to even bother with buying or pirating. Tubes have it when you want and it's all free.

connections, recently Damian pointed pointed out that I was wrong with the number of people coming online and posted a link to a site that proved he was right. He was, the growth was in places we can't easily bill or likely to buy. So pretty useless to us.

The industries reaction to this was just, throw up more Tubes. Often you see people say "Adapt or Die, which often means. Put up a Tube site. Or sell mobile porn. which will work until that goes for free.

So back to your post, that part covered the situation today.

A one off sale isn't much use in porn. It will never make a porn business profitable. The secret to profits lies in retaining customers. Even if it's not with the original buyer, it has to be from the mode of buying.

When a surfer sees a brand name and buys on the strength of it, partly or a lot. His expectations rise, f they come down after seeing the product they crash harder. Branding only counts until the product is consumed.

Getting a sign up for $30 is hard work, the task of getting traffic is easy. Getting enough good traffic to get a sign up for $30 is very hard. Sign ups are king. Not people passing by a window or consuming free porn if you're trying to sell porn. Letting all that hard work go for $30, $60 or even $100 of turn over is foolish. The skill is in keeping the person, either buying from you or your mode of selling.

And at that we are abject failures.

This is the only part that counts.

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Treat your customers fairly and listen to them.

Except it should be.

Treat your customers fairly and talk to them. Don't listen to those who can be bothered to post, chat to them online while they're in the site.

Paul Markham · 09-26-2011, 12:06 AM

Justinsain is this your site? http://www.julie-clarke.com/public_html/home.html

d-null · 09-26-2011, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

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No matter how good your skills are, the quality of the tools you have to work with will make the finished product better or worse. So all you words are meaningless. A shooter of higher quality can get a better product with a better model.

Girls of Eastern European descent are Slavic generally. They have a rounder face, this is a woman is considered more beautiful.

Eastern European women are less aggressive and combative with men, more feminine than US women. Certainly easier to deal with.

Eastern Europe is poorer than the US. Their expectations are lower, their living costs are lower. What a girl needs to survive for a month in LA would keep one in Czech very comfortable. The Eastern Europeans have far less money pressures than US women.

This is a very small community here, once one person knows, everyone seems to know. Being seen naked having sex carries less shame in a culture like the US than CZ.

Getting a bigger supply of fresh good looking girls before they find the other 30 shooters who will work with them is far better than being in LA at the bottom rung of the ladder. Remember Dean spamming a "Just 18" girl? A lot had already shot her. And gave her the wrong idea on her power and place in the industry.

The idea we under pay girls is one put forward by fools. If the budget allows for the paying of US or UK rates. Pay it and put all the cheap skates after you. The best shooters here did this. Deni de Francesco paid his agent Petra a big bonus to get girls fresh and paid the girls well. I paid London rates and found girls direct before they knew what the rate was. Then the next guy who thought he could pay less was pretty well screwed. Even f she did work, she thought she was being under paid.

If you had came here in 2005 you would of found every top EU shooter had been here or was here. And many Americans.

The same rules apply on modes and shooters, as it does on affiliates and sites. Great affiliates, send your traffic to a poor site or send it to a great site. One produces poor results, the other great results. In affiliates case content is everything. Just like shooters.

I have always said my success is down to finding lots of great new girls. If I were in the US, I would never of been able to do that. My success would of been lower. If Dean had come here, his success would of been higher.

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this post actually does have a lot of wisdom in it

Jel · 09-26-2011, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The industries reaction to this was just, throw up more Tubes. Often you see people say "Adapt or Die, which often means. Put up a Tube site. Or sell mobile porn. which will work until that goes for free.

You really believe this don't you. Newsflash: people go to Google every day to seek, and buy, porn. Mug.

Paul Markham · 09-26-2011, 01:58 AM

More for Barry.

What's marketing and branding?

Marketing isn't what 99.9% of online porn is about. It's never been giving customers all they can consume with little thought, in the hope 1 will sign up every now and again. And that's what most do.

It's looking at markets in your field, identifying a gap, the actual need, looking at your product then adapting it or high lighting the points it has to fill the gap and need. Then selling the product. Online porn doesn't do that. It sees how cheap they can make a product that's already out there, put it up for sale, then give it away to 1,000s so a few will buy. Then thinking the more you give away, the more who will see it and the more who will buy it. Forgetting about the millions who just consumed it for free.

Simplified that for the GFY audience, but it's still true.

What's branding? It's creating a well know name that lives up to it's reputation. Often exceeds expectations.

So to create a great porn brand, you need a great product. The actual product has to fulfill or exceed it's promise. Otherwise all the branding work is lost. Whether it's affiliates or customers, the product has to meet it's promise of it's brand. Otherwise the affiliate stops sending traffic and the members cancel.

More after I've had my mid morning snack.

Paul Markham · 09-26-2011, 03:28 AM

OK Adaptation, Branding and Marketing in porn 2011. From someone who knows nothing.

Identifying a gap in the porn market today is hard, very very hard. Unless it's real micro niche which isn't going to make a lot of money we need to think hard about mainstream porn and adapt some existing ideas.

Let's identify some mainstream porn niches scenes. Teens, students, vehicles, porn stars, live, sex, hookers, voyeur. All these to some extent sell. So how to combine them?

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A camper van like Bang Bus driving around college areas where girl students are doing a bit of street walking to pay for tuitions. The girls love sex, easy money and hooking is the way to get it. 2 guys pick them up, make them a proposition to fuck in the back of the van and off they go. One guy drives the other fucks, then they switch over.

What's new about it so far, nothing yet.

It's filmed without the girls knowing, or seeming not to know and it's beamed out live. Or immediately after it's shot.

Hardest part is making sure the girls don't look at the camera and getting them to fuck for real not like some plastic LA Valley Porn model. Making it hard to do stops 100 sites cloning the idea.

Another one.

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Guy in a room, phones an LA Escort Agency that has porn stars on the books and get's them to his home or room to fuck him. Again shot without the girl seeming to know and beamed out live, so members watch it as it happens.

Another one.

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Find a new Ed Powers or John Stagliano or Ben Dover and create a Gonzo site around them.

It has to be someone with this level of character so no one can do the same. The uniqueness is, it's about the adventures of Who Ever and what he will get up to next.

Not a solo girl site. With the same girl fucking a procession of porn guys. Been done before. Has to be shot like these guys shot, roaming around, different locations, can have some different studs. But it has to be real Gonzo. So needs a real character at the helm.

mix it in with live and voyeur, make members think, "What will he get up to next?"

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And of course the idea of 24 hour live sex inside a paysite. Not a webcam where girls are paid more for 1-1. A site where a girl earns more buy performing 1-1000. She doesn't want to tempt people into a private chat, she wants to keep as many as possible watching her because she's paid by the minute and buy the number of viewers watching her.

For instance, only an example.

She gets 1 cent per minute per viewer. So if she does a 30 minute show to 1,000 guys she earns $300 for that show. The member is charged 5 cents per second. So the show has cost him $1.50.

What we have to solve is how to get 1,000 guys watching her for 30 minutes.

don't pick holes in the costing, work out how to make it happen. That's what marketing people do.

Today the vast majority of sites churn out the same low level porn, that's been done a 100,000 times before and often better. We need to step up to the next level of product, not the next level of giving it away for free.

Branding. do some promotion to get it out there and noticed, never go over the top. Never stop with giving out the news. Let the product create its own brand by hand and mouth with some prompting.

IMO with piracy and the ease of downloading a whole site in a day or so, it has to be a live solution in some way. Members have to want to see what's coming or come back to see what's been added. Otherwise it's just a game of throwing more and more traffic at a resource that performs less and less.

Forget about doing what sites did yesterday to succeed, tomorrow is very different.

AtlantisCash · 09-26-2011, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cashcows

Show the stats that prove that statement. A whole lot less is being spent per person than years ago. Production is down every where. And in a crappy economy when FREE is an option. Many people opt for free.

The problem is the same as the music industry. People would rather get it free than pay and it's easier to get porn free than to even sign up at a site.

That's the problem. This whole give a way massive samples of porn is what has caused the problems, TGP, Tube sites, and piracy being the least detrimental of the three.

When free content is more accessible then paid content you have a serious problem in any market.

Got the food court at a mall, They give out a sample the since of a quarter. Hoe much food do you think they'd sell if the gave out 1/2 to 3/4 a sandwich?

The same thing is now happening in the info product sector. They are Moving the Free Line A La Eben Pagan. "Give a way your best useful but incomplete free content." This worked for the first guy in the niche. Now people hop around from info guru to info guru in a particular niche getting the BEST free content and don't buy as much.

We need a PAY TO PLAY model again NO FREE STUFF! If the first two pages of google was all links to pay sites instead of tube sites people would start paying again. As statistically people don't even look past the first couple pages.

So do You think the problem is Paysite owners kinda lacking at some sorts of seo skills or do they consantrate to mutch of giving away free content instead of traffic or ranking in other words?

Paul Markham · 09-26-2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AtlantisCash

So do You think the problem is Paysite owners kinda lacking at some sorts of seo skills or do they consantrate to mutch of giving away free content instead of traffic or ranking in other words?

Seriously did you read what he posted?

Jakez · 09-26-2011, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I never said it was easy, online porn has taken the easy route for 12 years and look where it has left us. Clowns like you who couldn't get a job in offline porn, think they know something about porn because they submit a gallery or video clip to a site.

It has to be hard to succeed or every idiot will be doing it and we're back to square one.

Of course you and a few others will be far to dumb to comprehend that.

Why would I want a job in offline porn? Is my name Paul Markham? Do I like to shoot video? Do I like to take pictures? No. That makes me a clown?

You think people submit galleries and videos because they genuinely care about porn and want to be knowledgeable about it? They do it because it generates traffic and sales. That's what they know how to do. Generate traffic and sales.

Your job is to produce it. Why you want to pretend like you know how the online part of it works better than everybody else when you so obviously don't is beyond everyone. So good job dodging my point.

You should be trolling threads by producers telling them what they're doing wrong in their shoots and how stupid they are. Not telling people how to distribute porn online, which you know nothing about.

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How in the world would we have not ended up with porn tubes when things like youtube exist and are inevitable in an ever evolving internet?

There is no one to blame but the internet itself.

KBHMN · 09-28-2011, 10:57 AM

It took me 3 days to get through this thread... lol but was great reading for the intermittent times when photoshop was on a run throwing the sites label onto images.

Paul, thanks for the time you took to contribute this. Through the posts I have seen something all too familiar with "trolls"... seems to only come from guys who are angry at life who wish to vent their anger as apposed to getting into a civil discussion about what they agree and disagree with... immaturity shown by contributing members on an adult industry forum? Shocking, I know.

Who would have ever thunk it, right? It sort of defines for me why some of these guys are in this capacity of business when their personalities bar them from civil interaction face to face with the rest of the world.

The egos of a few of the affiliates I have come into contact with leave a lot to be desired when it comes to professionalism. The affiliates who are too immature to have an exchange of ideas without resorting to school yard name calling and such do not get to make sales with us. (It is something I too have been personally guilty of in the past, but quickly learned it is counterproductive and therefore have evolved.) Those affiliates who have been cutoff seem to think if I refuse to do business with them, that I will lose sales... one of these days I hope they may have an awakening and realize that someone else just got paid to make the sale instead of them... but I lost nothing at the end of the day by refusing to play; "Kiss an affiliates ass because they know everything and I know nothing and had better listen to him!" Note to affiliates... there are more than 5 of you doing this online adult business.

For HotManilaNights We are toying with the logistics of some of the things you mentioned. The hardest part we have found is not putting it into play technologically speaking, but for live models on cam, time... it comes down to reliability for us. For example, one of our models who has been outstanding for sales we have shot a few times with her, and her fan base is good for the niche we work in. We had her on cam, and it was very successful... almost too successful because her first whopper of a pay day, we handed her 2K USD and she took a 2 week vacation... 6 weeks ago.

So back to the drawing board. But I feel you are spot on with everything you have said regarding doing what others in your field are not doing to create a competitive edge. When we first launched the site, we were very green with how to process photos and a lot of them do not look as good as they should... instead of saying "Oh well, we will get better with the next shoot..." we are going back and re-processing all the original shoots and re-releasing them. Feedback has been very positive, which leads me to address your concept of staying in touch with the customers... it has been one of the sure fire winners for us by doing this. The mythical character "KB"... the American guy who meets cam models on cam sites and then flies to the Philippines to shoot them on video having sex has been a great concept that works for us. Our customers get into the fact that all the models are or were cam models at some point... meaning they are all are or were accessible. The personality we have created for this character seems to be very appreciated by the customers who have found that "KB" is always willing to have a conversation about anything related to meeting cam models face to face, general tips and advice for tourists going to the Philippines to meet their cam model crush, ect.

I have picked up some valuable insight that we can also work on in this thread... thank you for that, and your time.

To the guys flaming Paul... is it possible that switching to a better diet might help with your angst? Just saying... it appears a couple of you could do with a switch at the very least to decaf.

TheDoc · 09-28-2011, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBHMN

To the guys flaming Paul... is it possible that switching to a better diet might help with your angst? Just saying... it appears a couple of you could do with a switch at the very least to decaf.

If a bunch of people (almost everyone) is "flaming" him.... wouldn't logic suggest that maybe he's an idiot?

Honestly if you want to make it in this business or grow, or whatever.... I highly recommend you listen to those that are currently successful in this Industry. Advice is advice, but guidance should come from those with an actual clue.

papill0n · 09-28-2011, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBHMN

It took me 3 days to get through this thread... lol but was great reading for the intermittent times when photoshop was on a run throwing the sites label onto images.

Paul, thanks for the time you took to contribute this. Through the posts I have seen something all too familiar with "trolls"... seems to only come from guys who are angry at life who wish to vent their anger as apposed to getting into a civil discussion about what they agree and disagree with... immaturity shown by contributing members on an adult industry forum? Shocking, I know.

Who would have ever thunk it, right? It sort of defines for me why some of these guys are in this capacity of business when their personalities bar them from civil interaction face to face with the rest of the world.

The egos of a few of the affiliates I have come into contact with leave a lot to be desired when it comes to professionalism. The affiliates who are too immature to have an exchange of ideas without resorting to school yard name calling and such do not get to make sales with us. (It is something I too have been personally guilty of in the past, but quickly learned it is counterproductive and therefore have evolved.) Those affiliates who have been cutoff seem to think if I refuse to do business with them, that I will lose sales... one of these days I hope they may have an awakening and realize that someone else just got paid to make the sale instead of them... but I lost nothing at the end of the day by refusing to play; "Kiss an affiliates ass because they know everything and I know nothing and had better listen to him!" Note to affiliates... there are more than 5 of you doing this online adult business.

For HotManilaNights We are toying with the logistics of some of the things you mentioned. The hardest part we have found is not putting it into play technologically speaking, but for live models on cam, time... it comes down to reliability for us. For example, one of our models who has been outstanding for sales we have shot a few times with her, and her fan base is good for the niche we work in. We had her on cam, and it was very successful... almost too successful because her first whopper of a pay day, we handed her 2K USD and she took a 2 week vacation... 6 weeks ago.

So back to the drawing board. But I feel you are spot on with everything you have said regarding doing what others in your field are not doing to create a competitive edge. When we first launched the site, we were very green with how to process photos and a lot of them do not look as good as they should... instead of saying "Oh well, we will get better with the next shoot..." we are going back and re-processing all the original shoots and re-releasing them. Feedback has been very positive, which leads me to address your concept of staying in touch with the customers... it has been one of the sure fire winners for us by doing this. The mythical character "KB"... the American guy who meets cam models on cam sites and then flies to the Philippines to shoot them on video having sex has been a great concept that works for us. Our customers get into the fact that all the models are or were cam models at some point... meaning they are all are or were accessible. The personality we have created for this character seems to be very appreciated by the customers who have found that "KB" is always willing to have a conversation about anything related to meeting cam models face to face, general tips and advice for tourists going to the Philippines to meet their cam model crush, ect.

I have picked up some valuable insight that we can also work on in this thread... thank you for that, and your time.

To the guys flaming Paul... is it possible that switching to a better diet might help with your angst? Just saying... it appears a couple of you could do with a switch at the very least to decaf.

did you just use words like 'valuble insight' when referring to something paul had said ?

thanks for identifying yourself as a fucking idiot

Jel · 09-28-2011, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBHMN

It took me 3 days to get through this thread... lol but was great reading for the intermittent times when photoshop was on a run throwing the sites label onto images.
etc

Paul himself says he is trolling, which means spouting bullshit in order to get a response. Given that self-confession, which some don't believe, do you:

a) feel like an idiot for believing/heeding his 'advice', knowing he himself says his 'advice' is trolling
b) believe his advice and refuse to believe he is trolling, in which case define your position on him as a liar for saying he is just trolling, but enter into the paradox of believing someone you believe to be a liar

Answers on a postcard to [email protected]

DamianJ · 09-28-2011, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBHMN

To the guys flaming Paul... is it possible that switching to a better diet might help with your angst? Just saying... it appears a couple of you could do with a switch at the very least to decaf.

Maybe you missed it, but Paul is just trolling here. That is, he is posting deliberate lies in order to get attention. He won troll of the year for doing this. He thinks this is good.

If you want to learn from someone, try and find someone with a successful website you can take advice from.

KBHMN · 09-29-2011, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papill0n

did you just use words like 'valuble insight' when referring to something paul had said ?

thanks for identifying yourself as a fucking idiot

No problem. Anything I can help you with in identifying other idiots, you just let me know. Being a "crown achiever" of an idiot myself, I can easily spot another idiot from 6.21 feet away... provided there is good weather of course. Quick question, did I use words like "valuable insight" when referring to something Paul had said? Or did I use words like "valuable insight" in regards to the entire thread itself? Only you can answer that for us. You have the ability to read my mind as clearly as you read my words.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel

Paul himself says he is trolling, which means spouting bullshit in order to get a response. Given that self-confession, which some don't believe, do you:

a) feel like an idiot for believing/heeding his 'advice', knowing he himself says his 'advice' is trolling
b) believe his advice and refuse to believe he is trolling, in which case define your position on him as a liar for saying he is just trolling, but enter into the paradox of believing someone you believe to be a liar

Answers on a postcard to [email protected]

I disagree. I believe for me the answer is...
c) I should LOL at your active, and might I add very spirited responses to Paul, if he was truly trolling and you replied as serious as you did, my friend, my observation is that you were trolled to the fullest extent of the capabilities of someone trolling you. When you replied with; "This isn't a board where dummies hang out, and bullshit gets called with no delay" I seem to take notice to the fact that you missed the apparent opportunity to add "And I am being trolled so therefore will not bother replying any further..." If you are being trolled, why bother replying? Isn't the age old saying "Please do not feed the trolls" usually something mentioned by someone much wiser to a person who does not know he is being trolled and continues the tit-for-tat?

I am happy that you report your mixed lesbo micro niche site is the furthest from your main income source though. When I attend meets with other sports car enthusiasts, I drive the Dodge Viper as the show car, not the Honda Accord. I ask innocently, if this were the show here on gfy... and you state that your stable houses a finely tuned thoroughbred machine... can I ask why you decided to make an appearance at the show with your mixed lesbo micro niche Hyundai? I assume many webmasters here are proud to show off their pride and joy hot rod sites... while other "webmasters" are in attendance speaking the truth about what they have... and how flipping burgers at Mcdonalds pays better than the best they can do in this business. Props for your honesty mate. Mail your anger to idontcare@noreallyidon'tcare.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel

The main question here is, is paul the only one who doesn't know that no-one reads his posts, and that his troll attempts = him getting trolled into making yet more lengthy 'arguments', that don't get read, time after time?

For me, that's the funniest part of all.

Oh the paradox...

Shall I point it out to you? Or are you bright enough to figure out just how your words make you appear? ...after not only reading every lengthy argument Paul has offered, but replying to most of it on top of reading it... ALL. So in a nut shell, by showing that you DO for fact read EVERYTHING Paul says... is that your way of telling everyone that you are a "nobody"? Paradoxes abound... so fun! Here is my hand extended in goodwill... to help you out.

par·a·dox [par-uh-doks]
noun
1.a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth.
2.a self-contradictory and false proposition.
3.any person, thing, or situation exhibiting an apparently contradictory nature.
4.an opinion or statement contrary to commonly accepted opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

If a bunch of people (almost everyone) is "flaming" him.... wouldn't logic suggest that maybe he's an idiot?

Honestly if you want to make it in this business or grow, or whatever.... I highly recommend you listen to those that are currently successful in this Industry. Advice is advice, but guidance should come from those with an actual clue.

Doc, respectfully, I would not agree. A bunch of people (almost everyone) flaming him suggests to me instead that there are a lot of varying opinions about his chosen subject matter. Mob mentality is exhibited by the least educated all around the world. The gang mentality has never appealed to me for many reasons... the biggest of all, is that I refuse to be a sheep and feed on the roar of the crowd. I tend to think for myself, and hold my own ground for what I believe is worth fighting for... and that is a dangerous place to be in a world full of idiots, is it not? As an example, a crowd could be screaming "MURDER the rapist!" in the streets of Brasil... but I will not take part in any carnage JUST because the mob has gathered. I still prefer to weigh evidence, facts, substance. For me it is not logical that the accused committed rape as fact just because more than 3 have gathered to yell about it.

I do want my business to grow. That is why I am here. I am seeking the advice of people who are proven to be successful in this industry. I did, in my quest for knowledge stop by your page to see what "clue" I could learn from you... sadly I cannot report here that I found to my satisfaction that you are among those in this industry who are successful (by what I saw there on your profile page). In fact, I am confused after looking at your contact info. The appearance perceived is that you are not active in this industry, and I say that only because there on your page I found nothing that would lead me to believe that your stated industry role as; "Affiliate Programs" goes any further than just merely stating on your profile page that is what your "Role" is. Please do be kind enough to share with me anything of more "tangible" substance that could help me reevaluate my perspective! However I will also note I really appreciate your posts. Getting back to Papillion's misinterpretation of my words... that is part of the "valuable insight" I was referring to. I look forward to reading more of your posts!

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Maybe you missed it, but Paul is just trolling here. That is, he is posting deliberate lies in order to get attention. He won troll of the year for doing this. He thinks this is good.

If you want to learn from someone, try and find someone with a successful website you can take advice from.

Thank you Damian for offering your perspective. By chance, could you point me in the right direction here on GFY so that I can find those who are successful?

Anyone??? Anyone? Anyone?

TheDoc · 09-29-2011, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBHMN

Doc, respectfully, I would not agree. A bunch of people (almost everyone) flaming him suggests to me instead that there are a lot of varying opinions about his chosen subject matter. Mob mentality is exhibited by the least educated all around the world. The gang mentality has never appealed to me for many reasons... the biggest of all, is that I refuse to be a sheep and feed on the roar of the crowd. I tend to think for myself, and hold my own ground for what I believe is worth fighting for... and that is a dangerous place to be in a world full of idiots, is it not? As an example, a crowd could be screaming "MURDER the rapist!" in the streets of Brasil... but I will not take part in any carnage JUST because the mob has gathered. I still prefer to weigh evidence, facts, substance. For me it is not logical that the accused committed rape as fact just because more than 3 have gathered to yell about it.

Or he's just an idiot, which is more logical. When people point the errors in someones logic, over and over, for years over years... and it comes from some of the most successful people in our Industry as well, chances are you probably shouldn't listen much either.

Even if he is trolling, then all the more reason for me to respond... that would make him a total dick head telling people all this bullshit for troll reasons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBHMN

I do want my business to grow. That is why I am here. I am seeking the advice of people who are proven to be successful in this industry. I did, in my quest for knowledge stop by your page to see what "clue" I could learn from you... sadly I cannot report here that I found to my satisfaction that you are among those in this industry who are successful (by what I saw there on your profile page). In fact, I am confused after looking at your contact info. The appearance perceived is that you are not active in this industry, and I say that only because there on your page I found nothing that would lead me to believe that your stated industry role as; "Affiliate Programs" goes any further than just merely stating on your profile page that is what your "Role" is. Please do be kind enough to share with me anything of more "tangible" substance that could help me reevaluate my perspective! However I will also note I really appreciate your posts.

Sweet... that's the perception I want to give.

They didn't have an "Everything" option, so Affiliate Programs seemed to fit best.

Thing is, I don't care if you listen to me or not... if you don't know who I am, then you've never needed me. When you do, someone else will tell you why you should contact me.

KBHMN · 09-30-2011, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Or he's just an idiot, which is more logical. When people point the errors in someones logic, over and over, for years over years... and it comes from some of the most successful people in our Industry as well, chances are you probably shouldn't listen much either.

Even if he is trolling, then all the more reason for me to respond... that would make him a total dick head telling people all this bullshit for troll reasons.

Sweet... that's the perception I want to give.

They didn't have an "Everything" option, so Affiliate Programs seemed to fit best.

Thing is, I don't care if you listen to me or not... if you don't know who I am, then you've never needed me. When you do, someone else will tell you why you should contact me.

Sounds like you either are a lawyer, or a heart surgeon

If either is the case, let's say I hope I don't ever have to need you.

In Paul's case... thank you for the heads up of your perspective. Kind of you to share.

I still read everything with an open mind though. Hope that kind of thinking is not bothersome to anyone else.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2011, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papill0n

thread summary

traffic is really really easy to get -paul markham told us so !

ironically paul has no traffic at all but try to ignore that technical detail

Traffic is easy to get, it's sales that are tough. So the only idea you can come up with is throw more traffic at sites by giving away more free porn.

You're too dim to come up with anything better.

Thanks for the bump.

Jel · 10-01-2011, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBHMN

Oh the paradox...

Shall I point it out to you? Or are you bright enough to figure out just how your words make you appear? ...after not only reading every lengthy argument Paul has offered, but replying to most of it on top of reading it... ALL.

lol you mug, I neither read all, nor reply in depth to, what paul writes

Same as I skimmed your post and ignored pretty much everything except the above quote

Jel · 10-01-2011, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBHMN

I am happy that you report your mixed lesbo micro niche site is the furthest from your main income source though. When I attend meets with other sports car enthusiasts, I drive the Dodge Viper as the show car, not the Honda Accord. I ask innocently, if this were the show here on gfy... and you state that your stable houses a finely tuned thoroughbred machine... can I ask why you decided to make an appearance at the show with your mixed lesbo micro niche Hyundai? I assume many webmasters here are proud to show off their pride and joy hot rod sites... while other "webmasters" are in attendance speaking the truth about what they have... and how flipping burgers at Mcdonalds pays better than the best they can do in this business. Props for your honesty mate. Mail your anger to idontcare@noreallyidon'tcare.com

Sorry, missed that part in my initial skim - sure, I'll put my main source of income, my affiliate sites, in my sig. That'd be a good idea wouldn't it

KBHMN · 10-01-2011, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel

lol you mug, I neither read all, nor reply in depth to, what paul writes

Same as I skimmed your post and ignored pretty much everything except the above quote

Al Bundy... suites you well as an avatar

09-24-2011, 11:45 PM	#203
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	5 pages and counting. For those who want to read about real marketing. https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18450443&postcount=40 __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70 Last edited by Paul Markham; 09-24-2011 at 11:47 PM..

09-25-2011, 12:08 AM	#204
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,496	Paul, my dear Award Winner (congratulations again, that is serious cool, in it's own way), many believe it is time for you to put up or shut up. You must show us all how to make money in porn in 2012, okay? __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Skype: peabodymedia

09-25-2011, 01:27 AM	#206
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	Clueless...he said show not tell...there is a difference now isn't there? __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

09-25-2011, 01:31 AM	#207
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09-25-2011, 06:09 AM	#209
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09-25-2011, 07:51 AM	#212
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Seriously ... There is a correlation between traffic and sales but quality traffic is gold and few get it ;=) We get a large number of type-ins and we have trademarked and branded websites -- this type-in traffic converts 20 times better than any purchased traffic. My advice -- work on branding your product or sell as an affiliate for a company that has a well branded product. Treat your customers fairly and listen to them.

09-26-2011, 12:06 AM	#218
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Justinsain is this your site? http://www.julie-clarke.com/public_html/home.html __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-26-2011, 01:58 AM	#221
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	More for Barry. What's marketing and branding? Marketing isn't what 99.9% of online porn is about. It's never been giving customers all they can consume with little thought, in the hope 1 will sign up every now and again. And that's what most do. It's looking at markets in your field, identifying a gap, the actual need, looking at your product then adapting it or high lighting the points it has to fill the gap and need. Then selling the product. Online porn doesn't do that. It sees how cheap they can make a product that's already out there, put it up for sale, then give it away to 1,000s so a few will buy. Then thinking the more you give away, the more who will see it and the more who will buy it. Forgetting about the millions who just consumed it for free. Simplified that for the GFY audience, but it's still true. What's branding? It's creating a well know name that lives up to it's reputation. Often exceeds expectations. So to create a great porn brand, you need a great product. The actual product has to fulfill or exceed it's promise. Otherwise all the branding work is lost. Whether it's affiliates or customers, the product has to meet it's promise of it's brand. Otherwise the affiliate stops sending traffic and the members cancel. More after I've had my mid morning snack. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-28-2011, 10:57 AM	#226
KBHMN So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 99	It took me 3 days to get through this thread... lol but was great reading for the intermittent times when photoshop was on a run throwing the sites label onto images. Paul, thanks for the time you took to contribute this. Through the posts I have seen something all too familiar with "trolls"... seems to only come from guys who are angry at life who wish to vent their anger as apposed to getting into a civil discussion about what they agree and disagree with... immaturity shown by contributing members on an adult industry forum? Shocking, I know. Who would have ever thunk it, right? It sort of defines for me why some of these guys are in this capacity of business when their personalities bar them from civil interaction face to face with the rest of the world. The egos of a few of the affiliates I have come into contact with leave a lot to be desired when it comes to professionalism. The affiliates who are too immature to have an exchange of ideas without resorting to school yard name calling and such do not get to make sales with us. (It is something I too have been personally guilty of in the past, but quickly learned it is counterproductive and therefore have evolved.) Those affiliates who have been cutoff seem to think if I refuse to do business with them, that I will lose sales... one of these days I hope they may have an awakening and realize that someone else just got paid to make the sale instead of them... but I lost nothing at the end of the day by refusing to play; "Kiss an affiliates ass because they know everything and I know nothing and had better listen to him!" Note to affiliates... there are more than 5 of you doing this online adult business. For HotManilaNights We are toying with the logistics of some of the things you mentioned. The hardest part we have found is not putting it into play technologically speaking, but for live models on cam, time... it comes down to reliability for us. For example, one of our models who has been outstanding for sales we have shot a few times with her, and her fan base is good for the niche we work in. We had her on cam, and it was very successful... almost too successful because her first whopper of a pay day, we handed her 2K USD and she took a 2 week vacation... 6 weeks ago. So back to the drawing board. But I feel you are spot on with everything you have said regarding doing what others in your field are not doing to create a competitive edge. When we first launched the site, we were very green with how to process photos and a lot of them do not look as good as they should... instead of saying "Oh well, we will get better with the next shoot..." we are going back and re-processing all the original shoots and re-releasing them. Feedback has been very positive, which leads me to address your concept of staying in touch with the customers... it has been one of the sure fire winners for us by doing this. The mythical character "KB"... the American guy who meets cam models on cam sites and then flies to the Philippines to shoot them on video having sex has been a great concept that works for us. Our customers get into the fact that all the models are or were cam models at some point... meaning they are all are or were accessible. The personality we have created for this character seems to be very appreciated by the customers who have found that "KB" is always willing to have a conversation about anything related to meeting cam models face to face, general tips and advice for tourists going to the Philippines to meet their cam model crush, ect. I have picked up some valuable insight that we can also work on in this thread... thank you for that, and your time. To the guys flaming Paul... is it possible that switching to a better diet might help with your angst? Just saying... it appears a couple of you could do with a switch at the very least to decaf.