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moogie 10-05-2012 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 19234661)
Look, its another thieving cunt.

Get aids you piece of shit.

Anger issues? Or did you get picked on much as a child?

halfpint 10-05-2012 02:23 PM

I just read that post and as far as I am aware stopfilelockers have not had any payments from Manwin, so I dont know where you are getting your info from

moogie 10-05-2012 02:25 PM

If anyone sees any of their content shared on our servers, please send a direct e-mail to [email protected] The content will be removed, and the violator will be dealt with. Unfortunately due to safe harbor, we cannot actively monitor files being uploaded to our service.

papill0n 10-05-2012 02:26 PM

you are one cunt

manwin is many cunts

no matter what shit you speak,

no matter how many diversions you throw up,

no matter what you do you mother fucker you are all still all cunts

moogie 10-05-2012 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 19234673)
I just read that post and as far as I am aware stopfilelockers have not had any payments from Manwin, so I dont know where you are getting your info from

http :// i.imgur.com/ XR1jX.png

remove the spaces.

We deal with many REAL content removal services daily, and I have relationships with some of them, in trying to limit the amount of infringements on our servers. They have all greatly expressed their distaste of Robert directly going after their business now that he sees there is profit to be made.

papill0n 10-05-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234668)
Anger issues? Or did you get picked on much as a child?

yeah a few anger issues but i will always call a thieving cunt a thieving fucking cunt any opportunity i get :1orglaugh

hey look its a fucking thieving cunt everyone!!

moogie 10-05-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 19234681)
you are one cunt

manwin is many cunts

no matter what shit you speak,

no matter how many diversions you throw up,

no matter what you do you mother fucker you are all still all cunts

Dirty mouth? Try some orbits gum?

papill0n 10-05-2012 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234679)
If anyone sees any of their content shared on our servers, please send a direct e-mail to [email protected] The content will be removed, and the violator will be dealt with. Unfortunately due to safe harbor, we cannot actively monitor files being uploaded to our service.

what a well thought out defence :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

halfpint 10-05-2012 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234682)
http :// i.imgur.com/ XR1jX.png

remove the spaces.

We deal with many REAL content removal services daily, and I have relationships with some of them, in trying to limit the amount of infringements on our servers. They have all greatly expressed their distaste of Robert directly going after their business now that he sees there is profit to be made.

Yes thats the post which I read but there is no proof that Manwin is donating money to stopfilelockers or copy control so dont know who told you that

moogie 10-05-2012 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 19234686)
what a well thought out defence :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

It's not a defense. It's the law.

papill0n 10-05-2012 02:29 PM

stop asking me questions cunt

i dont answer thieves

papill0n 10-05-2012 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234688)
It's not a defense. It's the law.

well relax then you got nothing whatsoever to worry about :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

cya later dickhead :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

moogie 10-05-2012 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 19234687)
Yes thats the post which I read but there is no proof that Manwin is donating money to stopfilelockers or copy control so dont knwo who told you that

it clearly states from roberts interview that he has accepted donations from manwin. I don't know what is hard to grasp there.

you can read the full article on AVN.

here you go:
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And we've had some very generous donations. The most generous donation has come from Manwin. I've been asked to not say how much it was, but while it was not a considerable amount of money, it was the most generous that we have received. Now, I am only surmising, but my guess is that Fabian is throwing money at a few different efforts and seeing which ones stick, so we may receive another donation from him; we may not.
so if you donate to copy control, robert king turns a blind eye? And since he's hiding nothing, I'm sure if asked, he'll kindly publish how many donations he's received from them. I mean since copy-control is not for profit.

Struggle4Bucks 10-05-2012 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 19234687)
Yes thats the post which I read but there is no proof that Manwin is donating money to stopfilelockers or copy control so dont know who told you that

He`s confused... he means THIS orginazation gets donations from Manwin:

http://www.aciuf.org/index.php/press-releases#7

[Labret] 10-05-2012 02:36 PM

I just donated $50 to Stop File Lockers in your name Moogie.

http://i.imgur.com/9yoZZ.jpg

Thanks for the hours of entertainment to follow!

moogie 10-05-2012 02:36 PM

No I'm not confused. I am not confusing an AVN interview on Robert King aka AdultKing with aciuf. But now that you've posted it, it makes everything clear what the motives behind both organizations are.

moogie 10-05-2012 02:38 PM

If any of you need to get ahold of me for any dmca violations, please send me an email to [email protected]

It's clear you guys are about to drink the kool-aid.

halfpint 10-05-2012 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234701)
No I'm not confused. I am not confusing an AVN interview on Robert King aka AdultKing with aciuf. But now that you've posted it, it makes everything clear what the motives behind both organizations are.

where is the link to avn with that quote you just posted ? cause I also think you are getting mixed up with ACIUF which we all know got funding from Manwin

Struggle4Bucks 10-05-2012 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234701)
No I'm not confused. I am not confusing an AVN interview on Robert King aka AdultKing with aciuf.

You are not in the position of telling anyone to go after that one or that one instead of going after you! They are going after all of them!
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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234701)
But now that you've posted it, it makes everything clear what the motives behind both organizations are.

Yeah! Isn`t it good to hear that more orginazations are after you guys? It`s not only AK...

Btw... they also say that donations from Manwin will not give him exception from possible legal action! I thought you might wanna know that too

moogie 10-05-2012 02:45 PM

http ://business. avn.com/articles/technology/Interview-with-Robert-King-aka-AdultKing-481650 .html

moogie 10-05-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19234712)
You are not in the position of telling anyone to go after that one or that one instead of going after you! They are going after all of them!


Yeah! Isn`t it good to hear that more orginazations are after you guys? It`s not only AK...

Btw... they also say that donations from Manwin will not give him exception from possible legal action! I thought you might wanna know that too

I understand I'm not in the position to dictate anything. I'm only stating the obvious. That if someone donates some cash to Robert, then he turns a blind eye.

I don't understand your statement 'going after you guys'. What exactly are they going after?

[Labret] 10-05-2012 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234713)
http ://business. avn.com/articles/technology/Interview-with-Robert-King-aka-AdultKing-481650 .html

Lemme help you out there buddy...

http://business.avn.com/articles/tec...ng-481650.html

Struggle4Bucks 10-05-2012 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234714)
I understand I'm not in the position to dictate anything. I'm only stating the obvious. That if someone donates some cash to Robert, then he turns a blind eye.

I don't understand your statement 'going after you guys'. What exactly are they going after?

to shut you down maybe?

Robbie 10-05-2012 02:49 PM

moogie the bottom line is YOU have a website full of pirated material.

You are trying to deflect the heat.

Get out of the pirate (thief) business and you won't have to worry about AdultKing.

Hey...how about YOU actually CREATING something instead of running a pirate site on an automated script? Now there's a thought!

moogie 10-05-2012 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks (Post 19234712)
Btw... they also say that donations from Manwin will not give him exception from possible legal action! I thought you might wanna know that too

Yes it does say that, but manwin owns the LARGEST tube sites on the internet with 1000's of TB's of your content, but somehow that company doesen't warrant a post @ his copycontrol website? But he has worked tirelessly day and nite to try and find any infringing link he can find on our site? I have deleted any links he has put on his website, even though the links were never filed in a dmca takedown notice.

Paul Markham 10-05-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234692)
it clearly states from roberts interview that he has accepted donations from manwin. I don't know what is hard to grasp there.

you can read the full article on AVN.

You have a point actually. Many porn Tubes have pirated content on them, some may be Manwin's. If Moogie can find them, he can inform the owner and they can DMCA the Tube.

However your business is in a deeper hole.

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Unfortunately due to safe harbor, we cannot actively monitor files being uploaded to our service.
So you have no way to comply with the processors contract. You don't have a clue what's on your servers. If it's porn, Paypal and others will pull the plug.

To process payments and to pay affiliates, you need to make sure your service isn't breaking the processors rules and you're not breaking the contract you have with them. If you are, you can lose the processing, all it needs is people to inform your processor, they investigate the claim and decide.

This is the Achilles Heel for services like yours. Once mainstream start to duplicate stopfilelockers methods, you're toast.

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You guys are very vocal and angry towards any company owning a legitimate cloud hosting service,
Please don't reply about DMCA and 2257 or any other law. It's about the agreement you made with the processor. If you break the agreement, they can pull the account. You can carry on running your service for as long as you like and comply with laws. Without processing. :thumbsup

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We deal with many REAL content removal services daily, and I have relationships with some of them, in trying to limit the amount of infringements on our servers. They have all greatly expressed their distaste of Robert directly going after their business now that he sees there is profit to be made.
Do you know what you get when you cross a pit bull with a shih tzu? Bullshit, which that is. You hide behind DMCA. AK isn't interested in chasing file lockers about DMCA. Yes services charging for the service of sending DMCAs will be pissed off with all the kills AK is notching up. Didn't you figure that one out?

moogie 10-05-2012 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19234717)
moogie the bottom line is YOU have a website full of pirated material.

You are trying to deflect the heat.

Get out of the pirate (thief) business and you won't have to worry about AdultKing.

Hey...how about YOU actually CREATING something instead of running a pirate site on an automated script? Now there's a thought!

Our service is not full of pirated material, I can assure you that. I am not trying to deflect any 'heat'. We actually did create something. A very unique cloudhosting service. With a good amount of traffic. The only reason I came here, was to post what Robert would not allow on his 'moderated' blog in defense of our company's website.

Here is the unmoderated reply that Robert wouldn't approve.

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moogie October 5, 2012 at 3:41 am
You probably will not post this, since it is your blog, and you only like to post things that make you look good, but, why is it that you are accepting considerably large donations from the company manwin? Who runs the largest adult tube sites on the internet? And who are filled with infringing content of hardworking content creators? Please explain.
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Editor October 5, 2012 at 5:05 am
It?s already on the public record that Manwin is amongst the companies who have contributed to this campaign.
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moogie October 5, 2012 at 3:43 am
seems like a conflict of interest to me?
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moogie October 5, 2012 at 5:11 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
yes but can you explain why you?re taking donations from them? If you?re combating piracy? When infact they enable very large scale piracy on a daily basis?
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moogie October 5, 2012 at 5:20 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
So, is i safe to say then, that if someone donates to you, then they are safe from your campaign / efforts? Since you are from the adult entertainment industry, and your thread over at gofuckyourself (adult webmaster forum)
URL of thread:
states that you are trying to go after any site which earns from the profits of adult porn producers? But I don?t see you going after the biggest sites of all, which host countless Terrabytes of infringing content of you and your peers? The tubesites, such as youporn, pornhub etc. owned by the company from which you accept donations.
We at ultramegabit.com are a public service provider, and such times our service is abused. As you notice any links you have posted which clearly have infringing content have been removed. Although, you have never reported them to us. But that is probably because you are not an authorized agent, and do not have any authority to act for any legitimate rights holders.
We cannot actively monitor files which are uploaded to us, as that would not grant us safe harbor as a service provider. should you find any other links that bring concern to you, forward them to our [email protected] email, and they will be looked into.
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moogie October 5, 2012 at 5:25 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
why have you not approved the first comment which i posted Robert? Afraid to show the public?
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moogie October 5, 2012 at 5:26 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
I?ll post it again, since you?ve deleted it.
We had paypal opened for a few days to test if there was any difference in sales, and to find out what the big fuss about paypal was. There was no difference in sales at all, only in fact it generated less sales. But his persistence paid off! He received a huge kill. After 3 days of having our site setup to bill with paypal as an option, it was limited with a whopping 9.50$ in it. Since we never used paypal to receive payments for memberships, your money is not on hold and payments are not an issue.
Robert King is really trying his hardest to appeal to the siteowners at GFY, since his ?non-profit? organization as he claimed all work was done by volunteers, and his own money is shifting to a ?for-profit? business model now, as you?ll notice lately he?s been begging for donations. You will notice a lot more posts of sites he?s killed, sites he?s terminated paypal etc. As he is trying to shift over to taking business from legitimate sites like pornguardian etc.
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The Stop File Lockers project began during late June 2012.
The aim of the project was to shut down payment processing for infringing file locker websites.
So successful was the project in its first week or so, we decided to form a company ? Copy Control Pty Limited ? to oversee the project and build on the early success of Stop File Lockers.
In the first three months Stop File Lockers has removed payment processing from over 500 websites.
The official blog of the Stop File Lockers project is
Background about the project can be read using the links below:

One Man Army On a Mission To Destroy The Cyberlocker Market
Locker Slayer: Robert King Provides a Lesson in Determination
Interview with Robert King
File Lockers: Next Chapter in Porn Piracy Saga

This is ALL publicity for him, as he gears himself up to finally make some money, since he failed as an adult webmaster, now he?s hoping to cash in on the other adult webmasters, by proving that unlike pornguardian, or nateglass etc. He actually makes a difference.
As for our contracts with visa and mastercard, and our acquiring bank, we are complying fully with them all.
I have came here for what I needed to, so goodbye everyone. If anyone needs any assistance, feel free to e-mail me anytime @ [email protected]

Good day!

baggg 10-05-2012 03:00 PM

ultramegabit is registered with godaddy via domains by proxy,now make sure you (more than one) dmca them with godaddy,they dont fuck around i got 3-4 blogs down with my copied articles on it

Robbie 10-05-2012 03:01 PM

moogie...yes your site is full of pirated material. Somebody is uploading shit that does NOT belong to them this very second.

Your site would have NO traffic if it weren't for the fact that it's full of other people's hard work.

Stop trying to justify your shitty way of making a living. It's nothing but stealing no matter how you try to spin it.

halfpint 10-05-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234713)
http ://business. avn.com/articles/technology/Interview-with-Robert-King-aka-AdultKing-481650 .html

Ok I read through that article and there is no mention of what you quoted about Manwin donating to stopfilelockers

moogie 10-05-2012 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 19234743)
Ok I read through that article and there is no mention of what you quoted about Manwin donating to stopfilelockers

I still can't see how you missed this 3 times?

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And we've had some very generous donations. The most generous donation has come from Manwin.

AdultKing 10-05-2012 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234679)
If anyone sees any of their content shared on our servers, please send a direct e-mail to [email protected] The content will be removed, and the violator will be dealt with. Unfortunately due to safe harbor, we cannot actively monitor files being uploaded to our service.

Ah but you already have, you have removed files we referenced on the Stop File Lockers website.

What you don't know is that we had a third party log these events in a manner which may be used in evidence.

It's just a matter of time mate and you're going to wonder why you got involved with what you're currently involved with.

moogie 10-05-2012 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19234737)
moogie...yes your site is full of pirated material. Somebody is uploading shit that does NOT belong to them this very second.

Your site would have NO traffic if it weren't for the fact that it's full of other people's hard work.

Stop trying to justify your shitty way of making a living. It's nothing but stealing no matter how you try to spin it.

Shitty way of making a living? Providing people a way to access their files anywhere around the world? The need has arisen for people to transfer large files to friends or family, and most mail providers do not allow the end user to process large files.


I'm sorry that it's more looked down upon than having drug addict girls, and homosexuals have sex on camera for money.

moogie 10-05-2012 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19234749)
Ah but you already have, you have removed files we referenced on the Stop File Lockers website.

What you don't know is that we had a third party log these events in a manner which may be used in evidence.

It's just a matter of time mate and you're going to wonder why you got involved with what you're currently involved with.

Did you get your junior G-Badge or somthing? You can log anything you wish. The point is, that ultramegabit complies with the DMCA laws in the U.S.
As for you posting links to infringing materials, I cannot say the same. It would be great if you could actually 'report' infringing URL's.

AdultKing 10-05-2012 03:10 PM

Moogie, can you show us a few examples of legitimate content on your site ?

Also why does anyone storing legitimate content need Pay Per Download ?

Moogie, just a question, you do realise we are working with large mainstream rights holders too ?

halfpint 10-05-2012 03:12 PM

AdultKing where is he getting this Manwin thing from Did You get donations from Manwin ?

moogie 10-05-2012 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19234759)
Moogie, can you show us a few examples of legitimate content on your site ?

Also why does anyone storing legitimate content need Pay Per Download ?

Moogie, just a question, you do realise we are working with large mainstream rights holders too ?

Robert, I can show you many examples of legitimate content on my site. Although you are not part of any government agency, nor in the United States.
But a lot of our traffic comes from a forum called xda-developers. That's just one.

moogie 10-05-2012 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 19234762)
AdultKing where is he getting this Manwin thing from Did You get donations from Manwin ?

Answer his question Robert.

moogie 10-05-2012 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19234759)
Also why does anyone storing legitimate content need Pay Per Download ?

The reason is, there are many developers, and artists, who give their files away for free, and our PPD model promotes earning compensation for their work

Robbie 10-05-2012 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234753)
Shitty way of making a living? Providing people a way to access their files anywhere around the world? The need has arisen for people to transfer large files to friends or family, and most mail providers do not allow the end user to process large files.


I'm sorry that it's more looked down upon than having drug addict girls, and homosexuals have sex on camera for money.

Oh my goodness...whatever did people ever do before file lockers.

Keep trying to spin. You don't create anything and you're a parasite living off of other people's hard work.

moogie 10-05-2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19234776)
Oh my goodness...whatever did people ever do before file lockers.

Keep trying to spin. You don't create anything and you're a parasite living off of other people's hard work.

We've had many large successful internet ventures before we put 1000's of hours of coding into our cloud storage business.

AdultKing 10-05-2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 19234762)
AdultKing where is he getting this Manwin thing from Did You get donations from Manwin ?

In an interview I revealed that Manwin had made a contribution to the project, I've also referenced it early in the thread.

The fact that we have received money from anyone does not make us beholden to them. All contributions to Stop File Lockers are no strings attached and I dance to nobodies tune.

Our expenses are high and our shortfall in our budget is huge. To date I have personally made the largest contribution to Stop File Lockers, the sum of $52,439 AUD. This exceeds the total amount raised from contributors by tens of thousands.

Just to put things in perspective, our rights holder representation agreement cost us thousands to have drawn up by our lawyers, just last Wednesday we spent $400 on each of two letters.

Doing this stuff properly is expensive and NOBODY is being paid for their time and effort. Everyone working in our collaboration system does so voluntarily, including myself.

So yes we took Manwin's contribution, if we hadn't we would have had to stop operating a month ago.

Moogie has grasped this fact and run with it because it's all he's got, he needs to deflect the fact that like so many others he's a fence for thieves.

moogie 10-05-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19234783)
In an interview I revealed that Manwin had made a contribution to the project, I've also referenced it early in the thread.

The fact that we have received money from anyone does not make us beholden to them. All contributions to Stop File Lockers are no strings attached and I dance to nobodies tune.

Our expenses are high and our shortfall in our budget is huge. To date I have personally made the largest contribution to Stop File Lockers, the sum of $52,439 AUD. This exceeds the total amount raised from contributors by tens of thousands.

Just to put things in perspective, our rights holder representation agreement cost us thousands to have drawn up by our lawyers, just last Wednesday we spent $400 on each of two letters.

Doing this stuff properly is expensive and NOBODY is being paid for their time and effort. Everyone working in our collaboration system does so voluntarily, including myself.

So yes we took Manwin's contribution, if we hadn't we would have had to stop operating a month ago.

Moogie has grasped this fact and run with it because it's all he's got, he needs to deflect the fact that like so many others he's a fence for thieves.

So, exaclty how much did manwin contribute?
And why have you not had one single post about them at copycontrol? We are a fairly small site, with a few infractions which are corrected as soon as they're spotted. Yet manwin has 1000's of infractions, but you have failed to even so much give them a mention in your tweets, or your website?

AdultKing 10-05-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234773)
The reason is, there are many developers, and artists, who give their files away for free, and our PPD model promotes earning compensation for their work

Show us an example, we've been looking for them and can't find them and trust us we have many sophisticated tools to find as much.

If we can't find them in the sea of pirated material then what hope does anyone else have.

Please show us now three examples of content creators using your service to share their own content.

halfpint 10-05-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19234783)
In an interview I revealed that Manwin had made a contribution to the project, I've also referenced it early in the thread.

The fact that we have received money from anyone does not make us beholden to them. All contributions to Stop File Lockers are no strings attached and I dance to nobodies tune.

Our expenses are high and our shortfall in our budget is huge. To date I have personally made the largest contribution to Stop File Lockers, the sum of $52,439 AUD. This exceeds the total amount raised from contributors by tens of thousands.

Just to put things in perspective, our rights holder representation agreement cost us thousands to have drawn up by our lawyers, just last Wednesday we spent $400 on each of two letters.

Doing this stuff properly is expensive and NOBODY is being paid for their time and effort. Everyone working in our collaboration system does so voluntarily, including myself.

So yes we took Manwin's contribution, if we hadn't we would have had to stop operating a month ago.

Moogie has grasped this fact and run with it because it's all he's got, he needs to deflect the fact that like so many others he's a fence for thieves.

Wow ok kinda suprised but thanks for your honest reply

AdultKing 10-05-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234789)
So, exaclty how much did manwin contribute?
And why have you not had one single post about them at copycontrol? We are a fairly small site, with a few infractions which are corrected as soon as they're spotted. Yet manwin has 1000's of infractions, but you have failed to even so much give them a mention in your tweets, or your website?

We haven't mentioned any of the 50 or so contributors on our websites, why would we make an exception for Manwin ?

moogie 10-05-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 19234796)
We haven't mentioned any of the 50 or so contributors on our websites, why would we make an exception for Manwin ?

yes you did. you said nautilus donates 250 a week. at the avn article.

moogie 10-05-2012 03:25 PM

Why is it so hard to answer? Are you a pawn for manwin? Taking out his competition?

halfpint 10-05-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234789)
So, exaclty how much did manwin contribute?
And why have you not had one single post about them at copycontrol? We are a fairly small site, with a few infractions which are corrected as soon as they're spotted. Yet manwin has 1000's of infractions, but you have failed to even so much give them a mention in your tweets, or your website?

I dont think that its anybodys business how much they donated Tbh

AdultKing 10-05-2012 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie (Post 19234798)
yes you did. you said nautilus donates 250 a week. at the avn article.

An interview isn't our website or our social media accounts so stop trying to twist stuff, it wont work.

You will learn over time that I am very precise with my words and language, I need to do so in order to maintain the best chance of dealing with people like you.


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