Canadians, please fill me in on this "idle no more" movement for natives

[shimmy2]

haven't been to canada in a bit, someone up there tell me whats going on with the natives and this idle protest i've been hearing about. i should be more in the know about these things considering the obvious, but me black girls keeping me busy here. firsthand, what is going on in canada and is this just an indian thing?

[MrBottomTooth]

Never heard of it. They are alwsys bitching about something. Maybe they should start worrying about doing something about all the thieves that come off the reserves into white man territory if they want to be taken seriously on other issues. At least that is how they are seen in my part of Ontario. Sad but true.

[AdultPornMasta]

http://newamericamedia.org/2013/01/i...-canada-us.php

"Indian Country Today, News Analysis, Robert Chanate, Posted: Jan 03, 2013
Above: Mista Wasis addresses the crowd at the Idle No More rally on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on December 21. Photo by Nadya Kwandibens

How different would life be for Native Peoples if more of our Nations had stood together in defense of our homelands in the past? That?s a question I think many of us Natives have pondered alone or discussed with one another. What compels one to re-imagine a different Native past is the modern consequences of the divide and conquer legacy.

Look at a map of Indigenous Cultures in North America and you will see that some of the cultures on the map are grouped as Plains, Plateau, Northwest Coastal, Great Lakes, Woodlands and others. If the Cultures are broken down you will find Native Nations and Confederacies like the Blackfoot, Ojibwa, Iroquois, and Cree, to name a few and others.

What the map does not show is the history of those areas. One cannot see the songs that were sung nor the dances which were held. The winter stories told are not on the map. The annual visits between Nations of those areas are invisible as are the ceremonies that renewed the People. Not shown are the relationships between our Peoples in which we shared knowledge and support. The cycles of life, continuous and connected, do not appear on the map images.

Cutting right through all of the Cultures, Confederacies and Nations is an invisible but sharp line. This borderline is known as the International Boundary and its origins lie with the 1783 Treaty of Paris. The separation created by the line was not so great in the beginning because it could not divide people who had lived with one another for as far back as their collective memory stretched. We were still relatives. Over time, that separation grew as Native People on both sides grew more accustomed to the division.
Many of us became strangers to one another.

On both sides of the line, our Native Nations fought the tyrannical forces of colonialism. Though the degrees differed, we all experienced massacres and victorious battles, the theft of our lands, broken promises, boarding/residential schools, language destruction, etc. These policies were not just of the past, and they continue to be issues for Native Peoples in Canada and the United States.

Over the past month, we in the south have witnessed a mass mobilization by the First Nations to the North. The tipping point came in the form of Canadian legislation that poses numerous threats to the First Nations. On December 10, thousands of First Nations Citizens took to the streets and launched a movement that has continued to grow. The well known name of this movement is of course Idle No More. The initial concern over the legislation is still paramount, but more deeply rooted issues are fast becoming focal points for Idle No More.

One way the movement has spread is through the Round Dance. Round Dances are being held in public spaces far and wide and are uniting people who attend them. These Dances have crossed that invisible line and are now being done in the lower 48.

Those of us in the lower 48 are moved by an awareness that we are still related to those in the north. We recognize the policies they are fighting are similar in aim to the ones that imposed the Allotment Act on us. We can see that the environmental destruction of their lands will put them in a state of dependency that many of our nations are fighting to overcome. We hear their languages and wish for them to remain strong, even if some of us have lost ours. We feel the power of their songs and witness how they are moving the young ones and elders alike and we are inspired to do the same for our people. Just as we did in the past, we are learning new lessons and creating networks of support.

If you look at the dividing line on the map, try to see the developing circles of native unity and instead of asking what would have happened if we had united more in the past, ask what will happen if we unite in the present to be idle no more.


Robert Chanate is a member of the Kiowa Nation and can be reached at [email protected] and twitter.com/rckiowa. He is from Carnegie, OK and currently lives in Denver, CO."

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[ING82]

Free loaders causing trouble and idiots probably gonna cave-in and give them what they want.

Most people don't know they are not even indigenous. An ancient White folk were here about 20000 years before them.

[notinmybackyard]

The first nation's people are getting the shit end of the stick again. English Canda is once again doing its tea party war dance and putting money, united states oil interests and the banks above people.

On reservations and heavily indian populated areas in Alberta they are suffering the effects of contaminated soil and water from the oil industry's tailing ponds. Birth defects and sterility rates have increased by more than 400% in since Harper took office

In Manitoba a white man receives a warning for any minor offense. Whereas Indians guilty of only jaywalking have gone to jail for more than 3 months. And an Indian coming out of a bar in the winter will get a one way trip by the police to the outskirts of the city where they will confiscate his winter coat.

In Ontario the gouvernment continues to negate and lie about the wrongful removal of children from their parents who's only crime was not to live on a reserve. The majority of these children suffered sexual abuse in the insitutions they were placed

In Québec lots of indian women go missing or are murdered each year. However little or no investigation in their disappearance takes place. The local Québec police forces are consistantly are prevented or removed from the investigation, leaving it to the mostly anglophone federal police (the gendarmerie royale).

The list is huge of the crimes of humanity against these people. And of course nothing gets reported in the mainstream media except to perpertrate the story of the freeloading filthy drunk wahoo, breaking into houses, beating his wife and getting a gouvernement welfare cheque. So if you think there is not a type of "Fox News" in Canada you are very mistaken. It is the same shit just a different pile.

[shimmy2]

i've lived amongst indians for years and worked on their reserves for them. some firsthand observations...

- theyre most asian than anything, genetically and in other ways
- yeah they like to drink, more than the average motherfucker. cant handle their liquor (like many azns)
- most are on several government payrolls (indian housing, etc in addition to general welfare)
- overall they are very funny entertaining people with good jokes
- girls have no ass at all. headgame on point though
- most indians walk around with an air of entitlement, more than nigars even
- the women love to protest/rally stuff. notice how few guys show up with picket signs
- the chicks dig black guys
- the guys attempt to emulate what they think black guys act like
- they move a lot of dope on both borders and grow lots of grass on their reserves
- regarding the 'missing natives'... if i lived on a reserve i'd want to go missing too
- many are fuckedup in the head along the vampire/zombie/emo genre. decades before it was popular
- they claim to be indy sovereign nations within us/canada yet could not feasibly exist without government grants/handouts/subsidies

just some open observations. i dont have an axe to grind with em, they pay my bills etc and are cool with me. just interesting folks

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

On reservations and heavily indian populated areas in Alberta they are suffering the effects of contaminated soil and water from the oil industry's tailing ponds.

On reservations, Indians are suffering the effects of being a bunch of lazy assholes, getting tons of benefits and living on reservations while blaming the world for their problems. That's pretty universal and has nothing to do with Canada or Alberta. There aren't a lot of successful reservations anywhere in North America because not making people work for something, not expecting great things from them, not having a culture that respects success, turns them into useless assholes with one hand out with the other gripping a dime bag of meth.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

In Manitoba a white man receives a warning for any minor offense. Whereas Indians guilty of only jaywalking have gone to jail for more than 3 months. And an Indian coming out of a bar in the winter will get a one way trip by the police to the outskirts of the city where they will confiscate his winter coat.

You're joking right? Yanking chain, yes? Have to be. The "confiscate his winter coat" thing set me to howling here though.

Thanks for the laugh. :D



When I first heard the term "Idle No More" (was the other day, mentioned on the radio) I thought it was some movement by environmentalists to stop people from idling their cars in winter. Because a lot of people do that, idle their cars when it's cold, to warm them up. Because no one likes driving in a cold car, with a frozen steering wheel, and a CD player that won't quite sound right until the interior of the car warms up. It made perfect sense, "idle no more" being about cars, and the environment.

But I see now that I was wrong.

[TheSquealer]

In Dutch Harbor Alaska, if you want to go for a walk and you want to stray off public roads - i.e. walk into the brush, hike up a hill etc. you need a "Native Lands Use Permit" which is a permit you're required to carry that costs over $100.00 for "using" native lands by going for a walk in a barren waste land. If you don't have your permit, the native police force can write you a ticket that comes with a steep fine.

[ajrocks]

Like everyone else in Canada they are sick of our stupid ass government. They aren't being helped like the rest of us, they are just smart enough to do something about it.

Good for them! They have been getting ass raped for decades by the Canadian Government. Again, much like the rest of us.

[_Richard_]

treaty issue

plus the whole starving reserves and body bag fiasco

more power to them

[Best-In-BC]

BC has great natives, shit, nothing like that happens here much unless there supporting them, but im told from people who grew up in Ontario that the white people treat them like shit, once again proving that Ontario is a American Provence.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by ajrocks

Like everyone else in Canada they are sick of our stupid ass government. They aren't being helped like the rest of us, they are just smart enough to do something about it.

Good for them! They have been getting ass raped for decades by the Canadian Government. Again, much like the rest of us.

Part of all this is, reservations are in outlying areas, there is no gainful employment to be had. So what do you do? After a while, you get your mind into a depression, from which there is no escape, but alcohol and drugs. So do not judge, until you walked a mile in their shoes. The government throwing money at the problem, is not going to solve anything

[D Ghost]

Aren't they the ones who wanted to segregate themselves into their own reservations, etc? And now they are complaining about it?

Segregation seems like it was a counterproductive idea.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid

Aren't they the ones who wanted to segregate themselves into their own reservations, etc? And now they are complaining about it?

Segregation seems like it was a counterproductive idea.

it was the canadian government that wanted to segregate them, not the native people themselves. as much as it might suck to lose part of your heritage i think native people need to give up the reserves and move into the modern world where there are jobs. there is no future on reserves.

[Spunky]

The White man take our land

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by JFK

Part of all this is, reservations are in outlying areas, there is no gainful employment to be had. So what do you do? After a while, you get your mind into a depression, from which there is no escape, but alcohol and drugs. So do not judge, until you walked a mile in their shoes. The government throwing money at the problem, is not going to solve anything

Uhm what do you do when there are no jobs in your area?

You do the same thing white people do. Your go to the work. You don't sit around and bitch that the work is not coming to you.

Though you feel like you are being compassionate, the whole "it's not your fault" thing isn't going to help anyone improve their lot in life. Any person finding any success in life (no matter what they define success as being) would agree with that.

[TheSquealer]

And by the way... How many of these people are living in a hut in the forest with a bow and arrow and hunting and fishing and living off the land while they bitch about tradition and heritage? Answer: zero.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

And by the way... How many of these people are living in a hut in the forest with a bow and arrow and hunting and fishing and living off the land while they both about tradition and heritage? Answer: zero.

and your answer is wrong

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

and your answer is wrong

Really jackass? Show me all these "traditional" natives freezing their balls off as they hide in the forest hoping an elk stumbles by. Show me that these are the people doing all the complaining about white men. Show me their igloos and tee pees and how they just trek through the wilderness all winter long trying to stay alive. You do that, and I'll show you their trucks and modern homes and firework stands and casinos and flat screen tvs and DUI's and arrest records etc eft etc.

At the end of it all, it's always the same story. A failed group of people with nothing but excuses while they continually demand the best of both worlds.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by JFK

Part of all this is, reservations are in outlying areas, there is no gainful employment to be had. So what do you do? After a while, you get your mind into a depression, from which there is no escape, but alcohol and drugs. So do not judge, until you walked a mile in their shoes. The government throwing money at the problem, is not going to solve anything

Nice Point

[notinmybackyard]

All anyone needs to do is read some of the above commentaires to see that there is indeed a Canadien version of the republican tea party facist néonazi anger monkeys.

Therefore let me says that...

The only way to win a debate with ignorance is by using violence. And then the use of violence against this type of ignorance is not so much as proving the validity of truth of any issue as it is erradicating a societal cancer.

Even if anyone felt strong enough about this issue to resort to violent extremes... This is the Internet and that option is not available. Therefore disscusing this or any other issue with those commited to being ignorant is pointless and only makes an intelligent person look foolish. To this fact I will simply say I am on the side of the Indians and anger monkeys that are calling names can kiss my ass for all I care about their hatred.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Really jackass? Show me all these "traditional" natives freezing their balls off as they hide in the forest hoping an elk stumbles by. Show me that these are the people doing all the complaining about white men. Show me their igloos and tee pees and how they just trek through the wilderness all winter long trying to stay alive. You do that, and I'll show you their trucks and modern homes and firework stands and casinos and flat screen tvs and DUI's and arrest records etc eft etc.

At the end of it all, it's always the same story. A failed group of people with nothing but excuses while they continually demand the best of both worlds.

i could, but it would be pointless, and worthless

[JesseQuinn]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

You're joking right? Yanking chain, yes? Have to be. The "confiscate his winter coat" thing set me to howling here though.

Thanks for the laugh. :D

it's actually not all that funny. It's something called 'scenic tours', wherein Indigenous people picked up by the cops mysteriously end up frozen to death in the middle of nowhere with no clothing to protect them from the elements. Yeah, that's hilarious

I'm gonna stop reading this thread now, but thank you Richard et al. for your comments

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

i could, but it would be pointless, and worthless

Translation: I can't, so I won't because I know it's a losing argument but I still want to appear smart by feigning intelligence.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

You're joking right? Yanking chain, yes? Have to be. The "confiscate his winter coat" thing set me to howling here though.

Thanks for the laugh. :D



When I first heard the term "Idle No More" (was the other day, mentioned on the radio) I thought it was some movement by environmentalists to stop people from idling their cars in winter. Because a lot of people do that, idle their cars when it's cold, to warm them up. Because no one likes driving in a cold car, with a frozen steering wheel, and a CD player that won't quite sound right until the interior of the car warms up. It made perfect sense, "idle no more" being about cars, and the environment.

But I see now that I was wrong.

what are you laughing about? they do this to poor white kids now too

'first they came for' isn't a fairy tale people

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Translation: I can't, so I won't because I know it's a losing argument but I still want to appear smart by feigning intelligence.

it's a losing argument to show you some examples of survivalists?

life is just too short for you

[Elli]

The reservations are supposed to be self-sufficient mostly, but how can they be if the gov't allows mining and heavy industry to pollute their rivers and groundwater right next door? Sure, they're far away from the cities, but the natives are right there. (http://www.water.ca/first-nations.asp http://www.canadians.org/water/issue...ons/index.html) There are a lot of mixed issues in the whole fiasco. The highway of Tears doesn't help. (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/arti...nces-seriously)

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

what are you laughing about? they do this to poor white kids now too

'first they came for' isn't a fairy tale people

Really? That is horrible if true. Freezing is a terrible way to die. Do you have any articles or anything I can read on this?

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Really? That is horrible if true. Freezing is a terrible way to die. Do you have any articles or anything I can read on this?

up there with slave taxidermy lol

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

it's a losing argument to show you some examples of survivalists?

life is just too short for you

You can not reason or talk to these people. Do not even bother to try. They are most likely masturbating to the argument is how fucked up and bent they are.

The moment the white man's foot touched this contenant the indians got screwed. It is the same story in Africa and almost every other non white nation in the world.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

You can not reason or talk to these people. Do not even bother to try. They are most likely masturbating to the argument is how fucked up and bent they are.

The moment the white man's foot touched this contenant the indians got screwed. It is the same story in Africa and almost every other non white nation in the world.

we're pink mostly

not to mention, i have several of these 'pink men' genetics as a background..

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

it's a losing argument to show you some examples of survivalists?

life is just too short for you

Who the fuck is talking about survivalists? You are so anxious to take any counterpoint and defend the losing side, that you don't even know what you're saying 1/2 the time.

I was talking about those indians/natives who talk endlessly about heritage, culture and tradition as a means to either rationalize and explain failure or to make a grab for more concessions. Those same people are not living as they were, yet that doesn't stop them from making the arguments.

For the record, if some North American Indian wants to wander off in the forest with his family and a knife to "live traditionally" and celebrate his culture/heritage, I am 100% for it and really, there is nothing stopping them.

All the people talking about heritage, culture and tradition as a basis for and argument for more rights, are not living in accordance to those same principles. They are driving Nissan Altima's, getting free medical care, getting education paid for, getting endless business grants, getting paychecks for doing absolutely nothing (Alaska Natives), working normal jobs (i.e. blackjack dealers at local casinos) and living in normal houses, file taxes etc etc etc. But when it suits their purpose, they want to argue about the need to hunt humpback and gray whales (as in Washington State) as being part of their "tradition" and all the fucking idiots gather in their "traditional" motorboats, armed with "traditional" high power rifles to take out a whale and then try to force nasty fucking whale meat on a bunch of thoroughly disgusted local teens that only eat Pizza Hut and Taco Bell.

If you are Native American and want to live "traditionally" because your heritage, culture and "tradition" is so important to you... go to the kitchen, grab a knife, walk out the front door and keep walking until you can't see civilization anymore and build a shelter and start trying to figure out how you're going to take down an animal to eat while fighting off wolves and bears's. No white man is stopping you from doing that.

[Elli]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Who the fuck is talking about survivalists? You are so anxious to take any counterpoint and defend the losing side, that you don't even know what you're saying 1/2 the time.

I was talking about those indians/natives who talk endlessly about heritage, culture and tradition as a means to either rationalize and explain failure or to make a grab for more concessions. Those same people are not living as they were, yet that doesn't stop them from making the arguments.

For the record, if some North American Indian wants to wander off in the forest with his family and a knife to "live traditionally" and celebrate his culture/heritage, I am 100% for it and really, there is nothing stopping them.

All the people talking about heritage, culture and tradition as a basis for and argument for more rights, are not living in accordance to those same principles. They are driving Nissan Altima's, getting free medical care, getting education paid for, getting endless business grants, getting paychecks for doing absolutely nothing (Alaska Natives), working normal jobs (i.e. blackjack dealers at local casinos) and living in normal houses, file taxes etc etc etc. But when it suits their purpose, they want to argue about the need to hunt humpback and gray whales (as in Washington State) as being part of their "tradition" and all the fucking idiots gather in their "traditional" motorboats, armed with "traditional" high power rifles to take out a whale and then try to force nasty fucking whale meat on a bunch of thoroughly disgusted local teens that only eat Pizza Hut and Taco Bell.

If you are Native American and want to live "traditionally" because your heritage, culture and "tradition" is so important to you... go to the kitchen, grab a knife, walk out the front door and keep walking until you can't see civilization anymore and build a shelter and start trying to figure out how you're going to take down an animal to eat while fighting off wolves and bears's. No white man is stopping you from doing that.

I think the native response to that argument would be:
There are no more migrating herds over the plains to follow and eat. There are no available fertile river deltas and valleys in which to operate traditional farms and fisheries. The only land left is marginal at best and can only support very small, remote populations. The original compromise of allowing Canada to put them in self-governed communities has been reneged on due to Canada's inability to provide the basics such as clean water and health services.

There is no possible way for them, other than the far northern communities maybe, to maintain a traditional lifestyle. They can't live in isolation and yet next door to large cities. What the best answer is remains to be seen.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Who the fuck is talking about survivalists? You are so anxious to take any counterpoint and defend the losing side, that you don't even know what you're saying 1/2 the time.

I was talking about those indians/natives who talk endlessly about heritage, culture and tradition as a means to either rationalize and explain failure or to make a grab for more concessions. Those same people are not living as they were, yet that doesn't stop them from making the arguments.

For the record, if some North American Indian wants to wander off in the forest with his family and a knife to "live traditionally" and celebrate his culture/heritage, I am 100% for it and really, there is nothing stopping them.

All the people talking about heritage, culture and tradition as a basis for and argument for more rights, are not living in accordance to those same principles. They are driving Nissan Altima's, getting free medical care, getting education paid for, getting endless business grants, getting paychecks for doing absolutely nothing (Alaska Natives), working normal jobs (i.e. blackjack dealers at local casinos) and living in normal houses, file taxes etc etc etc. But when it suits their purpose, they want to argue about the need to hunt humpback and gray whales (as in Washington State) as being part of their "tradition" and all the fucking idiots gather in their "traditional" motorboats, armed with "traditional" high power rifles to take out a whale and then try to force nasty fucking whale meat on a bunch of thoroughly disgusted local teens that only eat Pizza Hut and Taco Bell.

If you are Native American and want to live "traditionally" because your heritage, culture and "tradition" is so important to you... go to the kitchen, grab a knife, walk out the front door and keep walking until you can't see civilization anymore and build a shelter and start trying to figure out how you're going to take down an animal to eat while fighting off wolves and bears's. No white man is stopping you from doing that.

do i not know what i am saying, or do you simply not understand?

[Socks]

Originally Posted by Elli

I think the native response to that argument would be:
There are no more migrating herds over the plains to follow and eat. There are no available fertile river deltas and valleys in which to operate traditional farms and fisheries. The only land left is marginal at best and can only support very small, remote populations. The original compromise of allowing Canada to put them in self-governed communities has been reneged on due to Canada's inability to provide the basics such as clean water and health services.

There is no possible way for them, other than the far northern communities maybe, to maintain a traditional lifestyle. They can't live in isolation and yet next door to large cities. What the best answer is remains to be seen.

Nobody has a right to live in a point of time in history that is not right now.

If they don't like how it is right now because of past decisions they either had control or didn't have control over...

Join the fucking club.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I was talking about those indians/natives who talk endlessly about heritage, culture and tradition as a means to either rationalize and explain failure or to make a grab for more concessions. Those same people are not living as they were, yet that doesn't stop them from making the arguments.

Donc ce n'est pas seulement les français avec lesquels vous utilisez se genre d'argument.
Je pensais que les anglophones croyaient que les franco-canadiens parlent sans fin d'héritage, de culture et de tradition à fin d'obtenir quelque chose.

So from where I stand it seems to me that

1. the french hate you because you call us fucking lazy drunk frogs and all our women are single mothers on welfare
2. the indians hate you because you call them fucking lazy drunk wahoos on welfare
3. the inuit hate you because you call them fucking lazy drunk eskimos on welfare
4. and according to my newfie friend you call them stupid drunk newfies on welfare

Is there any non-white-anglo-saxon-protestants that you do like in this country ?

Or are all of us just lazy drunks complaining endlessly about heritage, culture and tradition as a means to either rationalize and explain failure or to make a grab for more concessions in your opinion??

Je dis que le Québec devrait unir ses forces à celles des indiens, des inuits et des newfies afin d'expulser le « tea party canadien ».


PS. I do not even want to start on what some of the immigrant people to this nation think of english canada.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Donc ce n'est pas seulement les français avec lesquels vous utilisez se genre d'argument.
Je pensais que les anglophones croyaient que les franco-canadiens parlent sans fin d'héritage, de culture et de tradition à fin d'obtenir quelque chose.



Je dis que le Québec devrait unir ses forces à celles des indiens, des inuits et des newfies afin d'expulser le « tea party canadien ».

peut ainsi ajouter BC là-dedans aussi

histoire drôle, daté une fille du québec et vous ne sauriez croire la quantité de gars Canadien français qui est venu vers elle et dit, en français, ne datent pas anglais. Tant de fois, en effet, que j'étais capable de reconnaître la conversation

reconnaître quelque chose?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

The first nation's people are getting the shit end of the stick again. English Canda is once again doing its tea party war dance and putting money, united states oil interests and the banks above people.

On reservations and heavily indian populated areas in Alberta they are suffering the effects of contaminated soil and water from the oil industry's tailing ponds. Birth defects and sterility rates have increased by more than 400% in since Harper took office

In Manitoba a white man receives a warning for any minor offense. Whereas Indians guilty of only jaywalking have gone to jail for more than 3 months. And an Indian coming out of a bar in the winter will get a one way trip by the police to the outskirts of the city where they will confiscate his winter coat.

In Ontario the gouvernment continues to negate and lie about the wrongful removal of children from their parents who's only crime was not to live on a reserve. The majority of these children suffered sexual abuse in the insitutions they were placed

In Québec lots of indian women go missing or are murdered each year. However little or no investigation in their disappearance takes place. The local Québec police forces are consistantly are prevented or removed from the investigation, leaving it to the mostly anglophone federal police (the gendarmerie royale).

The list is huge of the crimes of humanity against these people. And of course nothing gets reported in the mainstream media except to perpertrate the story of the freeloading filthy drunk wahoo, breaking into houses, beating his wife and getting a gouvernement welfare cheque. So if you think there is not a type of "Fox News" in Canada you are very mistaken. It is the same shit just a different pile.

Nice to see some informed ....

We never stopped fucking the '' indians '' over and over .... We never respected any deals we made , and never will as this is the '' civilized '' way ...
Lucky they do not become '' rebels '' ...

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

do i not know what i am saying, or do you simply not understand?

You haven't said anything, you fucking halfwit.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Translation: I can't, so I won't because I know it's a losing argument but I still want to appear smart by feigning intelligence.

No, Richard was smart enough to realize that there was no point in trying to educate you ... Your mind is already made up ..

I hope one day someone will build a golf course on the tombs of your ancestors

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Elli

I think the native response to that argument would be:
There are no more migrating herds over the plains to follow and eat. There are no available fertile river deltas and valleys in which to operate traditional farms and fisheries. The only land left is marginal at best and can only support very small, remote populations. The original compromise of allowing Canada to put them in self-governed communities has been reneged on due to Canada's inability to provide the basics such as clean water and health services.

I don't know much about Canada and any specific issues relating to indigenous peoples. My point was simply that ALL north american natives have the same problems and the same tales of woe. But again, all these people talking about heritage, culture and tradition aren't out trying to hunt and fish and live exclusively off the land. They are working in casinos, selling fireworks and enjoying their free medical, education and so on... OR they are drunk, high or in jail.

There is no possible way for them, other than the far northern communities maybe, to maintain a traditional lifestyle. They can't live in isolation and yet next door to large cities. What the best answer is remains to be seen.

Yeah, everyone has to live next door to large cities. Thats the only option for someone who's purported dream is to live on salmon, seal, whale and walrus meat and be free of the white man who's "oppressed" him. Canada is a big place. As is Alaska. As is the US.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

You haven't said anything, you fucking halfwit.

very good.. this is the internet

[Spunky]

The white devils drink all my Lucky beer

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by JesseQuinn

it's actually not all that funny. It's something called 'scenic tours', wherein Indigenous people picked up by the cops mysteriously end up frozen to death in the middle of nowhere with no clothing to protect them from the elements. Yeah, that's hilarious

I'm gonna stop reading this thread now, but thank you Richard et al. for your comments

You have quite the imagination. I'll give you that much.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Really? That is horrible if true. Freezing is a terrible way to die. Do you have any articles or anything I can read on this?

Of course he doesn't.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Of course he doesn't.

what newspaper would report it? who would care?

but since it's all 'of course'

can you find some reference to slave taxidermy? there has got to be at least ONE mention of a slave owner stuffing his slave right?

'of course there is'

[_Richard_]

and victory: http://pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?catego...eId=49&id=5213

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

No, Richard was smart enough to realize that there was no point in trying to educate you ... Your mind is already made up ..

I grew up with this stuff. I spent my summers growing up in native villages in Alaska. I spent my summers watching people drink, rape, shoot and stab each other all summer long. I watched an old man try to shoot his wife and kids right in front of me with a 12 gauge shotgun simply because he was drunk and snapped as they tend to do. I've got 1000 stories just like that. Later, I moved to Washington and surprise, surprise, same drunk, broke idiots with all the same stories and all the same excuses about how the "white man" made them what they were. In the meantime, those with brains leave and get their life together, get an education and build nice lives for themselves.

Go to any village in Alaska - whether its an Aleut village in the Aleutians or the most northern villages on the North Slope, ... the story is always the same. A bunch of drunks with nothing but excuses and non stop blather about culture, tradition and heritage as they walk out of their HUD financed home, get into their brand new bank financed Ford F150 and head to the supermarket as they babble about white man abusing them.

Guess what? Go to any reservation in Washington State... same exact shit. Poverty. Alcoholism. Drug abuse. Crime. They all blame white people for all their problems. No personal accountability... just excuses and blame.

I've seen and experienced enough alcoholism, drug abuse, violence and crime by natives in just my childhood alone to last me a lifetime. Unlike most, I am not posting about some fantasy based assumptions.

Does that mean 100% of these people are bad? Of course not. But their problems are many and their excuses are endless. Treating alcoholism and addiction begins with ones acceptance of the problem and personal accountability. However, the message by a misguided world is constantly "its not your fault", which ironically enables addiction and promotes the worst problems in these communities. In that respect, white people are to blame.

Alaska natives make very good money in most regions just for being an Alaskan Native (1/16th minimum). In addition to all the benefits, free medical care, education and so on, they also get paid. All the native groups are incorporated and they are largely the ones leasing land to oil companies, mining companies, lumber companies and so on. This money is divided in the communities. Coastal communities get a sizable chunk of Bering Sea fishing quotas for Pollock (worlds largest fishery), in spite of the fact that they never knew this fish existed until someone told them.

The net result of so much assistance is always the same. People become hobbled and mostly sit on their ass, collect checks, drink, fuck and do drugs.

[/QUOTE]
I hope one day someone will build a golf course on the tombs of your ancestors [/QUOTE]

Uhmm.. Ok, I wouldn't know if it happened. Wouldn't care. I'll be dead. I do not have the massive ego most have. I dont need to be remembered, I don't need to remember. One day i'll be dust, as will those who I love. I will be forgotten in a matter of a few years and no monument will change that fact.

Besides, what am I supposed to believe? That human population numbers will remain stable in perpetuity and all land as its used today will remain the same in 2000 years? Cemeteries are moved and paved over all the time, so your point is moot.

And by the way, I understand and agree that those without status, respect or influence are never going to stop trying to gain status, influence and respect. I personally take great offense at being blamed for someones drug addiction, alcoholism, molesting their children or other criminal behavior. That's on the individual, not me.

[ilnjscb]

Saskatoon freezing deaths

I think this is what he was referring to.