Grapesoda

this seems to be the complete opposite of the ban the gun crowd??? discuss...

Gun law

In 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-21][19]


(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.
(b)Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability which would prohibit them from using such a firearm. Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.


http://www.cityrating.com/crime-stat...l#.UPQo-t3Tl1Y

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia



In 1982, Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed an ordinance requiring households to own at least one firearm with ammunition. The law states that its purpose is to “protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants”.

sperbonzo

You just stop that.... Nobody likes to talk about those types of realities, or the stats that show that every state that passed right to carry laws saw their crime go down directly afterwards. They don't want to see that, because guns are scary, and there can never be good things that come from them. Just give up, bud. You will NEVER convince the anti-gun crowd.




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Rochard

I love gun nuts bring out the same stats and figures every time, even when they fail to prove your point. Kennesaw has mandatory firearms yet is only half as safe as my hometown, which is about the same size.

Kennesaw gets a 35 out of 100, with 100 being the safest:
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ga/kennesaw/crime/

My home town gets 72 out of 100:
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/lincoln/crime/

Thus, by your logic, this town would be better off if they didn't have this firearm law.

You are cherry picking stats because the NRA did research on this and loves to tell this story, yet I just compared it to home city and it's much safer here - plus, I don't have to worry about my neighbor shooting me if I decide I need to borrow some butter after dark.

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Harmon

Feel the burnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

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Dirty F

Why is it that you gun idiots do everything you can to show how retarded you are? Does it feel good or something?

Yanks_Todd

Interesting way to skirt around the real issue of your late night butter need.

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ottopottomouse

Think i'd feel safer in Gunnutville. What sort of a weirdo goes around borrowing butter?

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Rochard

LOL... You fuckers.....

I'm just saying that if I need to knock on my neighbor's door after hours for whatever reason, I would like to think I can do so without my neighbor pulling out a handgun when he opens the door.

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Vendzilla

Richard, you can say it's only half as safe, or you can say crime dropped,
End result, more guns and the crime went down.
I saw where some town in Utah is going to do the same thing

I also saw a study on school killings about how most all the killers were on some kind of anti depressant. Maybe we should outlaw antidepressants next, or maybe put the doctors in Jail that misdiagnosed the killers?

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Dirty F

If you seriously think more guns will make everything more safe then you simply must be mentally challenged.
America has an insane amount of guns and it's the most unsafe country in the western world. There is nothing to discuss anymore. That are the facts.

DamianJ

Just let them enjoy quoting NRA statistics and wanking each other off.

BlackCrayon

Or maybe we could use common sense and look at what it is about these drugs that can bring out these traits in people...

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Grapesoda

here's the thing to my mind Richard... you assume that EVERYONE is as reactionary as you are... so I will say this: yes, people like you should not have guns

slapass

The fact that there are entire countries that have little or no guns and are much safer then then the USA seems to be lost on this crowd. Crime is going down across the US and gun ownership is down across the US. hmmm

Vendzilla

I went on effexor once, never do that again. Doctors are taking the easy way out. Just shoving the new drug down little johnnies throat and hoping it does what the pharm people say it will do.
Like they say, never see a Harley parked in front of a therapist office. I went for a ride on Saturday for a funeral and was following the hearse, 5 of us riding directly behind it and we got cut off twice, one guy almost put me in the bushes. If not for the passenger I had, I would have dealt with that shit for brains. People just have no respect anymore. It really sucks. Guy drove off and probably didn't even care.

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think about that

Dirty F

Try to explain to someone as Vendzilla. A complete gun nut with an iq of about 80 who teaches his daughter how to kill someone by shooting him in the eye.
You seriously think he will be able to understand something like that? Not a chance.

kyro

in 2012 entire inner city residents are armed with guns in the USA and they kill each other daily.

mechanicvirus

I will pay $1000 for grapesoda to never post again.

mechanicvirus

I'll pay anyone here $1000 to make sure grapesoda never posts, anyone need any extra cash?

Grapesoda

and right after that burn down the all library's so you NEVER hear anything else you don't like

(and if I didn't think you were totally full of shit I would post my paypal and take the 1K myself)

tfs

One nicely designed bomb would change everything, no?

You got me - I didn't read any of this shit!

Voodoo

Oh mannn... I heard there was going to be finger foods and cider in here. WTF. Ugh, guess I'll go to the other thread that has the crackers and soda.

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kane

Doctors are only a small part of a greater problem. Many doctors want to treat things differently, but insurance won't pay for it so they end up just putting them on pills.

Also, I am curious. Are you suggesting that Harley riders don't have mental issues?

Deej

pretty sure gun ownership has done nothing but rise recently. People arent handing their guns in. They are out buying like crazy!

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Rochard

You can play with stats until your are blue in the face and try to twist them around to get your message across. In this case, this town is not really safe at all - it's HALF as safe as my town. At the very same, while you and your gun nut friends portray this as proof that mandatory gun laws work, the truth is this is part of a thirty year downward trend in lower crime stats.

Brett, use your hear here - Take a look at all of your neighbors and then imagine them armed. Half of them most likely should not be allowed to be home owners, no less have fire arms.

Well, yes. If .01% of all people on anti depressants go on mass murder rampages, frankly that's unacceptable - and we should stop handing out anti depressants altogether (although it's entirely possible that might increase mass murders we are trying to prevent). But either way mentally ill people are going to get their hands on firearms and kill other people, sometimes twenty school children at a time.

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Rochard

Why shouldn't I have firearms?

I've never been arrested, I have no mental health issues, and I have no temper AT ALL (ever). I am also a former US Marine, and I taught combat tactics to Marine Corps officers. I am the ideal firearm owner.

The problem is most people, yourself included, fail to understand what a tactical situation is. You seem to think you are James Bond, and at the first hint of trouble you will be able to handle the situation and be protected. How did that work for Keith Ratliff, who was surrounded by firearms yet was shot in his own house? Unless you have a firearm strapped to your hip and you know trouble is coming, chances are you not be able to handle the situation. Most of the time, you won't even see it coming.

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Grapesoda

there ya go again... reactionary, making decision on how I think and fell. you don't know me, what I've done. what I've been though, yet you are making decisions on well.... nothing... I don't think I'm james bond... if you would read what I post you would have read that someone came into my house in the middle of the night, I confronted the guy and kicked him out AND didn't even get my gun out... see Richard... your basically full of dog shit and you imagine weird stuff not based on reality and to me, that's guy that SHOULD NOT have a gun. that's why the fuck heads are killing people.. they imagine weird shit and then act on it...

Grapesoda

maybe we should leave them alone?

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Before the crime rate plummeted, the level of IQ and teeth did also.

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mechanicvirus

offer still stands

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mineistaken

Rochard, you can not compare two different towns with different people living in them like that. The only real way would be for your town to do the same thing and then compare results between your town before guns and your town after the guns.
Maybe if that town would cancel that law they would have even more crimes, who knows?
Maybe if your town implemented that law crime would drop even more, who knows?

Not saying that it would, merely stating that your comparison between 2 different towns is not valid.

adult-help

yes,lets give everyone a gun, which included all those crazy wackos who kill people,who commit murders,who do mass shootings,mentally unstable etc.. I am sure this will end well..

maybe it's not guns that kill people - I think it's the US gun mentality that does..

Rochard

So I shouldn't be allowed to have firearms because I base my judgement on you by the only things I know.

Got it.

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Rochard

Why can't I compare two different towns? It's very simple comparison of two cities by the same website that supplies data to real estate agents - meaning they aren't interested in the last about firearm stats.

Firearms in their town are required, yet their crime is twice as high.

Maybe if that town canceled their gun law crime would go higher? Maybe. Maybe their better crime rate is nothing more than an overall drop in crime in the past twenty years? Is the town safer now because it has fire arms? Maybe. But it's not as safe as my town, and in the mean time I don't have to be worried about all of my neighbors packing heat.

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Grapesoda

you make wild assumptions based on erroneous conclusions. and this is without any pressure at all, unless reading a porn forum puts the same amount of pressure on you that a home invasion would?

mineistaken

I explained why. There are many similar towns with the same gun regulations and yet very different crime rates. Its because towns and communities living there are different. There are MANY more reasons for crime rates other than this one thing. So your town is safer not necessary because of that particular thing. And THAT town is more crime prone also not necessary because of that particular law.

kyro

maybe maybe maybe, lots of maybes. but still cant see why I can't compare the two towns?

slapass

It is way down as a % of population. Less people own guns but those that do have more.