Gun control advocates.. Once and for all... SHUT THE FUCK UP

[MrMaxwell]

In these school shootings we see these bastards killing at will for extended periods of time.. they take as many lives as they care to and no one has a chance, at all.

Knowing that- you gun control morons don't want there to be an armed guard, an armed principal, or ANYTHING? You want to be sure that the teachers are defenseless, as well? How ignorant can you gun control proponents even be?!

Making sure that no one in the building has ANY HOPE WHATEVER of survival is NOT the answer. You can say UMMM LIKE GUNZ R BAAAD and try to solve the problem by "getting rid of guns" all you want, but it's stupid.

What you are doing is just exactly like throwing water on someone who is drowning. It's not possible and doesn't make any sense. You may be an idiot and think "ummm, but mor gunz iz mor problums" --- that may make sense to someone with a brain deficiency, but you tell me how you're going to stop these mass killings without a gun, you idiot.

"Ummmm dey shud wate 4 da polices to git derr" ... by then the woman is raped, the child is kidnapped, the child is shot, the mugger has shot you, or everyone is dead, etc.. Or the criminal has taken the whole building. Period. If you want anyone inside to have a chance- you had better hope that someone on YOUR side is in there armed.

Let's ban scary looking weapons again.. It sure worked last time, right? So called assault weapons are used in an extremely small fraction of shooting incidents so they're the problem.. right? Of course. The fact that any city which has ever "banned" guns ended up with a skyrocketing murder and general crime rate doesn't matter, because it's not emotionally convenient, right?

Oh - and - to top it all off, the many incidents where a school shooting was stopped by an armed faculty member didn't get any media coverage since TENS OF PEOPLE FAILED TO DIE and so as a result these don't count since your MEDIA didn't INSTRUCT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THEM.

So go ahead and make more laws so that the black market for firearms keeps growing.. that way, only criminals (or anyone who wants one) can acquire a firearm and it'll just get easier every DAY for them to do so.

You motherfucking gun control advocates have a lot of innocent blood on your hands. I'm talking about what I KNOW. Most of you who support gun control are picket fence living grey mustard spreading fucking pansy ass fucks who have never had to face reality. Almost anyone who has had REAL WORLD REALITY experience sees right through the myth of gun control making us safer.

I would be DEAD right now if I had not had access to firearms. That's right- I would be DEAD if you destructive bastards had your way. Several times. So before you talk out of your stupid overly white asses anymore, please realize that innocent people DIE every day THANKS TO YOU.


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[MrMaxwell]

Here's the answer.. You bet, genius

How about making EVERYTHING illegal?

[GFED]

[kane]

Allow me to ask a question. I'm not for gun control. I know it won't work, but I am curious.

Assume that every school in America ends up with armed guards in it patrolling the halls. The number of guards will vary depending on the size of the school. How long will it be before these armed guys either accidentally shoot someone or they stop and search innocent people?

It seems to me that the very same people who want the armed guards will then be bitching about the government taking away their freedoms and conducting illegal searches.

Do you agree that this could become the case? You can simultaneously say you want a smaller government to stay out of your business and life while also telling them they need to put armed guards in the school.

[crazydollars]

If you are assaulted, there is over a 50% chance of being attacked by multiple assailants.

[pimpmaster9000]

homo sapiens are pussies...99% will not engage in a gun fight if somebody else is being harmed, I was in 2 wars I know what I am talking about..."guards" and army are not exactly the cream of the crop nor do such jobs attract the bravest and best of people...not every guard is a john rambo...not even every 100th...reality is: most of them will be obese, under trained, under payed, under motivated regular joes..

also it is a bullshit plan...lets say I am a sick shit and I want to off many people...I will approach the guard from behind and off him first...or I will pick a spot where many people are in one place instead of walking the school and taking my time...one or two armed guards per school is simply a silly plan that is easy to work around...

[bronco67]

I'm all for putting a tighter noose around assault weapons, magazines and ammunition.

But I also think the idea of having a trained security pro at every school is a good idea. But it has to be a "pro". My wife is a 1st grade teacher, and she told me about the security her school posted -- some schlubby, awkward 50 year old guy with no firearm.

If we're going to do this, there needs to be a program dedicated to it, and the people who come out of it are prepared as they can be for a situation. But anyway, they'll never need to use their guns because the maniacs who shoot up a school are cowards. The last thing they want is a firefight and they'll be deterred by an armed presence.

But telling gun control advocates to shut the fuck up is kind of ironic, since the gun nuts are the ones making all the noise on this board. Lots of noise that's hard to avoid.

[wehateporn]

JohnnyClips would say that slaves aren't meant to have guns, and he'd be right

[BlackCrayon]

this guy is one of the dumbest on the board. more legal guns = more illegal guns. we need to arm fetuses in the womb so everyone can shoot everyone else when its 'justified'. judge, jury and executioner in one press of a button.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by GFED

That lady is right. Everyone there had to leave their guns in their cars. That is why they all died.

Here she is again talking some more about it:

Or it sure looks like her?

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by kane

Allow me to ask a question. I'm not for gun control. I know it won't work, but I am curious.

Assume that every school in America ends up with armed guards in it patrolling the halls. The number of guards will vary depending on the size of the school. How long will it be before these armed guys either accidentally shoot someone or they stop and search innocent people?

It seems to me that the very same people who want the armed guards will then be bitching about the government taking away their freedoms and conducting illegal searches.

Do you agree that this could become the case? You can simultaneously say you want a smaller government to stay out of your business and life while also telling them they need to put armed guards in the school.

We can't afford armed guards in every school. If we had them, any accidental deaths would be so extremely rare that the lives saved would far far far outnumber them.

You or anyone would agree that police officers running around with guns hasn't caused more accidental deaths than it has saved innocent lives, right? And that is even considering that most of them are the worst shooters on earth.

I am saying that adults who work in schools should have the choice and be allowed to arm themselves. Calling for a mandate to arm faculty is a far cry from what I'm talking about. I am saying that if someone on our side is in there armed, we at least have a CHANCE.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

this guy is one of the dumbest on the board. more legal guns = more illegal guns. we need to arm fetuses in the womb so everyone can shoot everyone else when its 'justified'. judge, jury and executioner in one press of a button.

I didn't write any of that, you retarded buffoon. How does more legal guns = more illegal guns? More gun laws = More illegal guns, period. More laws against widgets = more illegal widgets. Period.

This isn't about being Judge or Jury or Executioner. This isn't about "everyone having a gun". The bottom line is YOUR LAWS can not DICTATE WHO OWNS A GUN and your LAWS ONLY MAKE IT EASIER FOR CRIMINALS TO ACQUIRE THEM and helps to ASSURE THESE CRIMINALS THAT YOU WILL BE DEFENSELESS for their KILLING CONVENIENCE.

This is about NOT ALLOWING SOME FUCKHEAD TO COME IN AND BE THE EXECUTIONER OF TENS OF INNOCENT CHILDREN. This is about the innocent people HAVING A CHANCE.

Moron.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

JohnnyClips would say that slaves aren't meant to have guns, and he'd be right

That is a good point- but in the states- that ship has SAILED.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I'm all for putting a tighter noose around assault weapons, magazines and ammunition.

But I also think the idea of having a trained security pro at every school is a good idea. But it has to be a "pro". My wife is a 1st grade teacher, and she told me about the security her school posted -- some schlubby, awkward 50 year old guy with no firearm.

If we're going to do this, there needs to be a program dedicated to it, and the people who come out of it are prepared as they can be for a situation. But anyway, they'll never need to use their guns because the maniacs who shoot up a school are cowards. The last thing they want is a firefight and they'll be deterred by an armed presence.

But telling gun control advocates to shut the fuck up is kind of ironic, since the gun nuts are the ones making all the noise on this board. Lots of noise that's hard to avoid.

I'm calling for them to shut it the fuck up before they cause any more innocent deaths. I'm passionate about this and gave up on trying to explain it to normal people, for a long time. I just needed to vent a little, I suppose. I know it's a futile attempt, I suppose.

You're absolutely right- the only reason these dickless bastards go in and do these things is because they know with 100% certainty that they'll have full control and that no one will be there to stop them.

I actually think an armed guard is a little less effective than having armed faculty. Thinking about it- if there is an armed guard in full garb standing there, you know who you have to get out of the way.

Knowing one or more of your teachers or faculty members *may* be armed and not knowing for sure *who that could be* would be a far better deterrent.

Requiring anyone who wants to carry within 1000ft of a school is an excellent idea. Requiring everyone on school property to be defenseless is outright lunacy. You can't require the threat (the gunman) to do or not do SHIT.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

I didn't write any of that, you retarded buffoon. How does more legal guns = more illegal guns? More gun laws = More illegal guns, period. More laws against widgets = more illegal widgets. Period.

This isn't about being Judge or Jury or Executioner. This isn't about "everyone having a gun". The bottom line is YOUR LAWS can not DICTATE WHO OWNS A GUN and your LAWS ONLY MAKE IT EASIER FOR CRIMINALS TO ACQUIRE THEM and helps to ASSURE THESE CRIMINALS THAT YOU WILL BE DEFENSELESS for their KILLING CONVENIENCE.

This is about NOT ALLOWING SOME FUCKHEAD TO COME IN AND BE THE EXECUTIONER OF TENS OF INNOCENT CHILDREN. This is about the innocent people HAVING A CHANCE.

Moron.

all illegal guns start out as legal guns at some point in time. the less legal guns in society means less guns for criminals to steal, to sell, etc. had there been laws in place to prevent the mother of Adam Lanza from owning guns because her son was a mental case, those kids would still be alive.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

I'm calling for them to shut it the fuck up before they cause any more innocent deaths. I'm passionate about this and gave up on trying to explain it to normal people, for a long time. I just needed to vent a little, I suppose. I know it's a futile attempt, I suppose.

You're absolutely right- the only reason these dickless bastards go in and do these things is because they know with 100% certainty that they'll have full control and that no one will be there to stop them.

I actually think an armed guard is a little less effective than having armed faculty. Thinking about it- if there is an armed guard in full garb standing there, you know who you have to get out of the way.

Knowing one or more of your teachers or faculty members *may* be armed and not knowing for sure *who that could be* would be a far better deterrent.

Requiring anyone who wants to carry within 1000ft of a school is an excellent idea. Requiring everyone on school property to be defenseless is outright lunacy. You can't require the threat (the gunman) to do or not do SHIT.

One thing people who are proficient with firearms seem to think is that everyone can just be gun carrying commando. Teachers have a calling to be educators, not get into gunfights. I know a lot of teachers, and I can say that the idea of any of these women(and men) exchanging gunfire with a body-armored maniac is about as likely as seeing a unicorn run through my living room.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by crazydollars

If you are assaulted, there is over a 50% chance of being attacked by multiple assailants.

Multiples and being taken by surprise are very bad things. Even if you have a firearm, if you're taken by surprise you are usually fucked. But at least you have a chance if you've got one. And if you lose control of the situation you'd better hope someone who is armed is around to help you.

This guy is interesting. If you read about what happened to his unit- shit gets very interesting. The only thing you could fault him for is forgetting he had the e-brake on, but it could happen to anyone in that situation. Then they want to fault him for leaving his men in the car- well- they should not have held at the vehicle- he didn't abandon them, he took a safer position and provided supportive fire as best he could.

He gives a lot of good advice and I hope to train with him someday!!

As an aside, I don't like him saying that about fat bitches will do this and that most women won't.. Cook and clean and all that. Some of the most beautiful well built women around LOVE to do all of that and be submissive. Plus, thick bitches are hot and even if some woman is fat you shouldn't talk about people that way.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

all illegal guns start out as legal guns at some point in time. the less legal guns in society means less guns for criminals to steal, to sell, etc. had there been laws in place to prevent the mother of Adam Lanza from owning guns because her son was a mental case, those kids would still be alive.

That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard, you ridiculous clown. Let's say YOU can't own a gun because of what SOMEONE ELSE is or may do. Great logic, stupid.

All illegal guns start out as legal guns? Do you have any IDEA of how many guns come in every day that are illegal? Do you have any INKLING of the exponential increase there would be in illegal guns coming in if you outlawed them?!!

What happens to anything when you restrict it or ban it? To ANYTHING?!! The black market EXPLODES!! THINK ABOUT IT FOR CHRISSAKE, you RIDICULOUS MORON

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard, you ridiculous clown. Let's say YOU can't own a gun because of what SOMEONE ELSE is or may do. Great logic, stupid.

All illegal guns start out as legal guns? Do you have any IDEA of how many guns come in every day that are illegal? Do you have any INKLING of the exponential increase there would be in illegal guns coming in if you outlawed them?!!

What happens to anything when you restrict it or ban it? To ANYTHING?!! The black market EXPLODES!! THINK ABOUT IT FOR CHRISSAKE, you RIDICULOUS MORON

this from a jobless loser who can't even make a salad. its much harder to get illegal guns across the border than it is to steal/sell legal guns to criminals. in countries with harsher gun laws, criminals rarely use guns because they don't have the easy access to them. if restricting anything makes it explode in the black market, why not make everything legal so no one wants it? there are no points to any laws by your logic.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by bronco67

One thing people who are proficient with firearms seem to think is that everyone can just be gun carrying commando. Teachers have a calling to be educators, not get into gunfights. I know a lot of teachers, and I can say that the idea of any of these women(and men) exchanging gunfire with a body-armored maniac is about as likely as seeing a unicorn run through my living room.

That's a valid point.. Most normal people don't handle a situation like that very well. Maybe they'll freeze, maybe they'll miss, they may even hit an innocent person.

No one says teachers should be required to arm themselves. Half of me wants to argue that the teachers DO have a duty to protect their students. That written, I still would never get behind requiring anyone who doesn't want to arm themselves to do so.

Those who WANT to arm themselves and who believe they could be effective in a situation should be allowed to do so. In order to do so on school grounds, I'd go along with requiring them to have some solid training, but again- this is about the innocents having any chance whatever being better than N O N E.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

all illegal guns start out as legal guns at some point in time. the less legal guns in society means less guns for criminals to steal, to sell, etc. had there been laws in place to prevent the mother of Adam Lanza from owning guns because her son was a mental case, those kids would still be alive.

Here, I'll post the gun-advocate's response before they get a chance. "Adam Lanza would have killed those children any way he could. He was a determined killer, and if all he had access to was a plastic Safeway bag, he would have suffocated each and every one of them. If all he had was a cafeteria "spork", he would have carved out their eyeballs and ate them. Should we just go banning plastic bags and sporks? If all of those teachers were trained marksmen, all would be dandy in the world."

MOAR GUNS!!! GIT IN ZEE CHOPPAAA!!

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard, you ridiculous clown. Let's say YOU can't own a gun because of what SOMEONE ELSE is or may do. Great logic, stupid.

All illegal guns start out as legal guns? Do you have any IDEA of how many guns come in every day that are illegal? Do you have any INKLING of the exponential increase there would be in illegal guns coming in if you outlawed them?!!

What happens to anything when you restrict it or ban it? To ANYTHING?!! The black market EXPLODES!! THINK ABOUT IT FOR CHRISSAKE, you RIDICULOUS MORON

Do you think there's some factory making "illegal guns" for the black market. EVERY gun started out as legal one, whether a homeowner, hunter or military department first acquired it by legal means. Stop for a second and put things in perspective. You're breaking guns into 2 groups, but they all had to start in one group before they trickled into the more illicit group by way of sales or theft.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

What happens to anything when you restrict it or ban it? To ANYTHING?!! The black market EXPLODES!! THINK ABOUT IT FOR CHRISSAKE, you RIDICULOUS MORON

The black market for firearms in the UK and Canada must be HUGE!!!

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

That's a valid point.. Most normal people don't handle a situation like that very well. Maybe they'll freeze, maybe they'll miss, they may even hit an innocent person.

No one says teachers should be required to arm themselves. Half of me wants to argue that the teachers DO have a duty to protect their students. That written, I still would never get behind requiring anyone who doesn't want to arm themselves to do so.

Those who WANT to arm themselves and who believe they could be effective in a situation should be allowed to do so. In order to do so on school grounds, I'd go along with requiring them to have some solid training, but again- this is about the innocents having any chance whatever being better than N O N E.

i'm not saying there aren't a small percentage of teachers who could handle a gun and bad situation. But the qualities that would make a person a good teacher would also make them the least likely to be good in a firefight. I'm only saying this because being married to a teacher puts me around a lot of teachers socially. I know them pretty well and it's laughable to think of any of them shooting at someone.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

this from a jobless loser who can't even make a salad. its much harder to get illegal guns across the border than it is to steal/sell legal guns to criminals. in countries with harsher gun laws, criminals rarely use guns because they don't have the easy access to them. if restricting anything makes it explode in the black market, why not make everything legal so no one wants it? there are no points to any laws by your logic.

Shut the fuck up. I've had more steaks and blowjobs and travel than your keyboard warrior ass ever has or ever will. Jobless? All my life. Have I ever been on government assistance? No. Have I had help from family who has money? No- I've helped and even supported them. How many people can say that? Jobless- yep. Jealous?? Or what? I quit school and started hustling when I was twelve and had my own home when I was fifteen, cakeboy

Further- I've helped good people and solved tough problems as long as I've been alive. Not only that but I may not be some tough guy like you but I've made it through situations that would have left you crying or dead or peeing all over your own snatch hole.

What country with harsh gun laws has a lower overall murder rate? Most countries I read about where they try to ban guns end up with huge spikes in violence. Hell, in some of them banning guns ends up getting officers killed for their firearms.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by xenigo

Here, I'll post the gun-advocate's response before they get a chance. "Adam Lanza would have killed those children any way he could. He was a determined killer, and if all he had access to was a plastic Safeway bag, he would have suffocated each and every one of them. If all he had was a cafeteria "spork", he would have carved out their eyeballs and ate them. Should we just go banning plastic bags and sporks? If all of those teachers were trained marksmen, all would be dandy in the world."

MOAR GUNS!!! GIT IN ZEE CHOPPAAA!!

Motherfuckers will get a gun if they want a gun, period. It is very easy.

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Do you think there's some factory making "illegal guns" for the black market. EVERY gun started out as legal one, whether a homeowner, hunter or military department first acquired it by legal means. Stop for a second and put things in perspective. You're breaking guns into 2 groups, but they all had to start in one group before they trickled into the more illicit group by way of sales or theft.

Okay- so maybe a vast majority of them started as legal weapons for legal uses which benefited the common good. If you're right- there are still millions and hundreds of millions of guns in existence. How on earth are you going to outlaw them into not being?

[MrMaxwell]

Originally Posted by xenigo

The black market for firearms in the UK and Canada must be HUGE!!!

I'm not sure of how on earth they managed that in the UK- but there is still a LOT of violence from what I have read. It's just not gun violence. Canada didn't go too well.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Do you think there's some factory making "illegal guns" for the black market. EVERY gun started out as legal one, whether a homeowner, hunter or military department first acquired it by legal means. Stop for a second and put things in perspective. You're breaking guns into 2 groups, but they all had to start in one group before they trickled into the more illicit group by way of sales or theft.

I heard on NPR yesterday while I was driving home... a bit of news talking about the NRA and their lobbying power to limit the ATF's access to tools and as a result their oversight is set permanently in the stone-age. They basically make it forbidden for ATF to have any kind of computer database that makes them able to track the history of sales, or supply chain, etc. They're forbidden from using computers so everything is done over the phone. Apparently due to having their hands completely tied, thousands of weapons end up stolen every year... and there's no real way for them to figure out how to stop it.

Here's the article... it's a good one!

http://www.kqed.org/news/story/2013/01/08/114114/gun_control_advocates_say_atfs_hands_have_been_tie d

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Shut the fuck up. I've had more steaks and blowjobs and travel than your keyboard warrior ass ever has or ever will. Jobless? All my life. Have I ever been on government assistance? No. Have I had help from family who has money? No- I've helped and even supported them. How many people can say that? Jobless- yep. Jealous?? Or what? I quit school and started hustling when I was twelve and had my own home when I was fifteen, cakeboy

Further- I've helped good people and solved tough problems as long as I've been alive. Not only that but I may not be some tough guy like you but I've made it through situations that would have left you crying or dead or peeing all over your own snatch hole.

What country with harsh gun laws has a lower overall murder rate? Most countries I read about where they try to ban guns end up with huge spikes in violence. Hell, in some of them banning guns ends up getting officers killed for their firearms.

you've posted so many pathetic threads about your fucked up life over the past year or two that i've felt bad for you on many occasions but whatever, thats not the point. your argument isn't logical. just about every country out there with stricter gun laws have a wayyy lower murder rate. places like the UK may have more "violent crime" like general assaults but the murder rate is next to nothing compared to the states.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

I'm not sure of how on earth they managed that in the UK- but there is still a LOT of violence from what I have read. It's just not gun violence. Canada didn't go too well.

[PR_Glen]

more gun peoples arguing with their emotions and not their brains again. keep em coming.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Okay- so maybe a vast majority of them started as legal weapons for legal uses which benefited the common good. If you're right- there are still millions and hundreds of millions of guns in existence. How on earth are you going to outlaw them into not being?

you can't. The toothpaste is out of the tube. A gun ban won't make guns disappear -- but we can't NOT do anything because its too hard.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by xenigo

I heard on NPR yesterday while I was driving home... a bit of news talking about the NRA and their lobbying power to limit the ATF's access to tools and as a result their oversight is set permanently in the stone-age. They basically make it forbidden for ATF to have any kind of computer database that makes them able to track the history of sales, or supply chain, etc. They're forbidden from using computers so everything is done over the phone. Apparently due to having their hands completely tied, thousands of weapons end up stolen every year... and there's no real way for them to figure out how to stop it.

Here's the article... it's a good one!

http://www.kqed.org/news/story/2013/01/08/114114/gun_control_advocates_say_atfs_hands_have_been_tie d

That entire department has been pretty much neutered by them recently...and I think there may have been long stretches with no acting chief.

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by bronco67

you can't. The toothpaste is out of the tube. A gun ban won't make guns disappear -- but we can't NOT do anything because its too hard.

sure it can make some Guns disappear, Right now police in Tucson just finished doing a gun buyback, Gun toting citizens showed up and handed over 206 firearms to the police, who aim to destroy them.

but the NRA is so fucked up, they are trying to legally stop the cops from destroying the guns, arguing that it is against the law for them to destroy them. Members of the NRA are threatening to sue the police department if they destroy any guns.

the people handing in guns were people who would never use them, women who's husbands owned guns, but had since died, these are the guns that would get stolen, guns that just sit around, in a closet in the basement for years, in a single ladies home. But you morons won't even let the police or government destroy them in an attempt to lower the overall number of guns lying around.

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

more gun peoples arguing with their emotions and not their brains again. keep em coming.

Yep... all logic has gone out the window when anyone wants to limit the length of an insecure man's penis extension.

Remember a few years back when gas prices started going way up, and the economy started tanking? I remember the same demographic talking about their insanely huge trucks... saying they've driven a big-ass truck forever, and they'd always have a big-ass truck, and nobody was gonna stop them from having a big-ass truck, etc. Now they happily drive Priuses

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by xenigo

Yep... all logic has gone out the window when anyone wants to limit the length of an insecure man's penis extension.

Remember a few years back when gas prices started going way up, and the economy started tanking? I remember the same demographic talking about their insanely huge trucks... saying they've driven a big-ass truck forever, and they'd always have a big-ass truck, and nobody was gonna stop them from having a big-ass truck, etc. Now they happily drive Priuses

Guns, trucks and pit bulls are mostly about the owner's nuts.

[MPGdevil]

Why only arm teachers. Arm the kids. Hell.. arm EVERY American. EVERYONE physically able to hold a gun should have the right to protect themselves.

The more guns, the less shootings.

[geekyfox]

Question is - should any idiot be allowed to have a gun?

[adult-help]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

In these school shootings we see these bastards killing at will for extended periods of time.. they take as many lives as they care to and no one has a chance, at all.

Knowing that- you gun control morons don't want there to be an armed guard, an armed principal, or ANYTHING? You want to be sure that the teachers are defenseless, as well? How ignorant can you gun control proponents even be?!

Making sure that no one in the building has ANY HOPE WHATEVER of survival is NOT the answer. You can say UMMM LIKE GUNZ R BAAAD and try to solve the problem by "getting rid of guns" all you want, but it's stupid.

What you are doing is just exactly like throwing water on someone who is drowning. It's not possible and doesn't make any sense. You may be an idiot and think "ummm, but mor gunz iz mor problums" --- that may make sense to someone with a brain deficiency, but you tell me how you're going to stop these mass killings without a gun, you idiot.

"Ummmm dey shud wate 4 da polices to git derr" ... by then the woman is raped, the child is kidnapped, the child is shot, the mugger has shot you, or everyone is dead, etc.. Or the criminal has taken the whole building. Period. If you want anyone inside to have a chance- you had better hope that someone on YOUR side is in there armed.

Let's ban scary looking weapons again.. It sure worked last time, right? So called assault weapons are used in an extremely small fraction of shooting incidents so they're the problem.. right? Of course. The fact that any city which has ever "banned" guns ended up with a skyrocketing murder and general crime rate doesn't matter, because it's not emotionally convenient, right?

Oh - and - to top it all off, the many incidents where a school shooting was stopped by an armed faculty member didn't get any media coverage since TENS OF PEOPLE FAILED TO DIE and so as a result these don't count since your MEDIA didn't INSTRUCT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THEM.

So go ahead and make more laws so that the black market for firearms keeps growing.. that way, only criminals (or anyone who wants one) can acquire a firearm and it'll just get easier every DAY for them to do so.

You motherfucking gun control advocates have a lot of innocent blood on your hands. I'm talking about what I KNOW. Most of you who support gun control are picket fence living grey mustard spreading fucking pansy ass fucks who have never had to face reality. Almost anyone who has had REAL WORLD REALITY experience sees right through the myth of gun control making us safer.

I would be DEAD right now if I had not had access to firearms. That's right- I would be DEAD if you destructive bastards had your way. Several times. So before you talk out of your stupid overly white asses anymore, please realize that innocent people DIE every day THANKS TO YOU.


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the way you describe it tells me just one thing: usa seems to suck big time,a sad place to live.

go ahead,arm everyone,teachers,security, caretakers,kids... once every person in usa has a gun the crime will vanish...the best is that at birth every kid gets a free gun and a bullet proof backpack. for every 3 kids free bushmaster.

if a small kid brings gun to school because he took it at home i say let teacher put few bullets in his ass.. that will solve the problem.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

Knowing that- you gun control morons don't want there to be an armed guard, an armed principal, or ANYTHING? You want to be sure that the teachers are defenseless, as well? How ignorant can you gun control proponents even be?!

They had an armed guard at Columbine High School. Fifteen people died, and twenty-one were injured.

Some people seem to think that having an armed guard is going to prevent a shooting - It does not. Once a gun man is at the scene and pulls out a gun, bullets are going to fly, people are going to get hurt, and most likely people are going to die. If there is an armed guard they "might" be in position to do something, but they will in fact only be responding after the damage has been done. To make matters worse, an "armed guard" will most likely be an untrained security guard that will be more of a liability than a super hero.

[PR_Phil]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Guns, trucks and pit bulls are mostly about the owner's nuts.

don't lump people in there just because they drive a truck, if I could afford a second vehicle, I would have a compact daily driver, but I need my truck, I have a big lot and I do all my own renovations, if I didn't have a truck I would be paying for deliveries 3 times a week, and I would need a trailer to put all my wifes shoes in when we go on vacation.

I am just fine with my penis size, so no guns and no pitbulls.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by xenigo

I heard on NPR yesterday while I was driving home... a bit of news talking about the NRA and their lobbying power to limit the ATF's access to tools and as a result their oversight is set permanently in the stone-age. They basically make it forbidden for ATF to have any kind of computer database that makes them able to track the history of sales, or supply chain, etc. They're forbidden from using computers so everything is done over the phone. Apparently due to having their hands completely tied, thousands of weapons end up stolen every year... and there's no real way for them to figure out how to stop it.

Here's the article... it's a good one!

http://www.kqed.org/news/story/2013/01/08/114114/gun_control_advocates_say_atfs_hands_have_been_tie d

I read a similar article on CNN when I first woke up this morning. The NRA prevents all government agencies from doing any kind of research on firearms statistics.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/09/us/nra...iref=allsearch

The NRA used to be about promoting gun safety. I remember their ads from the 1970s; They used to have gun safety classes. But in the late 1970s they became heavily politicized and were less interested in gun safety and more interested in ramming our rights to own assault rifles down our throats.

Firearms used to be all about hunting and target practice - I remember going clay shooting when I was a kid. Now, even though the crime rate is down over all over the past forty years, firearms is all about protection. Which is ironic, because this article claims gun owners are 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault then someone who does not own a firearm.

[Dirty F]

Obviously the solution to all the crime and violence in the US is more guns. Any idiot can see that. More guns = more safe. Arm everybody and there will be no more crime. This is a FACT!

[epitome]

Remind me again MrMaxwell how many times you've been arrested and how many times you've been blackout drunk to where you cannot control yourself or remember a thing?

Then remind me why I should be comfortable with you having a gun...

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

What country with harsh gun laws has a lower overall murder rate?.

Exactly. I can't think of one!
Once again a gun owner makes sense! I wish more people were educated like you!

[SpeedoDave]

The cat is out of the bag - if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them.



Dave

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by epitome

Remind me again MrMaxwell how many times you've been arrested and how many times you've been blackout drunk to where you cannot control yourself or remember a thing?

Then remind me why I should be comfortable with you having a gun...

Doh! Because he has to protect himself and his family. And to stop the government from becoming a tyranny. Are you stupid or what.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by SpeedoDave

The cat is out of the bag - if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them.



Dave

Exactly. Take away guns and it's all nazi Germany again. God, why can't you anti gun idiots not see this!

[Dirty F]

Stop making so much sense!!!