Are there any good reasons WHY McDonalds workers shouldn't be earning $15 to $20 an hour? - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

Barefootsies · 08-06-2013, 02:05 PM

A hundred and fiddy people looking for government handouts and entitlements.

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Originally Posted by rocky1234

as long as there are people that will work for less then the companys have no incentive to increase the pay.

As long as there is endless government handouts, most will do the bare minimum of work to get their monthly stipends. I know it's a novel concept and all, but if you want more money, or nice things you should have to..... I dunno..... WORK FOR IT like the rest of us have had too.

Why should I bust my fucking ass for 15 plus years working 12-18 hour days 7 days a week to be taxed like a mofo just to give some lazy asshole who makes poor life choices a bunch of freebies for doing next to nothing to actually EARN them in any way shape or form!?!?!?

Robbie · 08-06-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky1234

I don't really see the problem with paying people $15 per hour to flip burgers. That's still subsistence level in the united states.they not gonna get rich. but the thing is, as long as there are people that will work for less then the companys have no incentive to increase the pay.

Uh...there have been tons of replies in this thread saying what the problem is.

And also...if it was such a great idea and would make the economy better...then why wouldn't companies already just hand a fucking UNSKILLED laborer $15 to do an entry level job? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe...that people who actually own those businesses might know a little better than politicians and GFY pundits?

Barefootsies · 08-06-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Don't you think that maybe, just maybe...that people who actually own those businesses might know a little better than politicians and GFY pundits?

As these threads have shown over the years, most of those who keep cheering for government handouts do not even understand the TRUE COST of an employee to a business, even at the minimum wage level, much less adding on another $10.00 per hour.

Grapesoda · 08-06-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

A hundred and fiddy people looking for government handouts and entitlements.

As long as there is endless government handouts, most will do the bare minimum of work to get their monthly stipends. I know it's a novel concept and all, but if you want more money, or nice things you should have to..... I dunno..... WORK FOR IT like the rest of us have had too.

Why should I bust my fucking ass for 15 plus years working 12-18 hour days 7 days a week to be taxed like a mofo just to give some lazy asshole who makes poor life choices a bunch of freebies for doing next to nothing to actually EARN them in any way shape or form!?!?!?

strange to see you post something like this Chris... tend to think of you as in the 'other camp' and always wondered about that since I had considered you a worker

Grapesoda · 08-06-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Uh...there have been tons of replies in this thread saying what the problem is.

And also...if it was such a great idea and would make the economy better...then why wouldn't companies already just hand a fucking UNSKILLED laborer $15 to do an entry level job? Don't you think that maybe, just maybe...that people who actually own those businesses might know a little better than politicians and GFY pundits?

Robbie very few politicians have ever worked, Obama being a prime example ...

Barefootsies · 08-06-2013, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

strange to see you post something like this Chris... tend to think of you as in the 'other camp' and always wondered about that since I had considered you a worker

Sorry champ, I am a business owner, not a hobbyist. Meaning I have paid my dues many times over to achieve success.

Unlike these people who want $15.00 for flipping a burger, I have actually busted my fucking ass over the years to get to the position in life I am at now and reap the rewards of my hard work. I put in a lot of long hours for years, and sacrificed, to achieve my goals. Why should I be happy about being taxed so that freeloaders get to enjoy a life of entitlements? I think not.

If you want to achieve a certain comfortable standard of living, you WORK FOR IT.

BFT3K · 08-06-2013, 02:39 PM

The government handouts have greatly contributed to this problem, but not in the way many of you would like to steer the narrative.

If businesses were punished, rather than rewarded for outsourcing US labor and manufacturing, they would require US workers to produce their products.

US workers would then have more money to buy said products, and in the end life could be better for everyone.

Instead, a false argument has become reality to many, and even though it doesn't make a stitch of sense, you blame the poor for being poor, rather than the true culprits.

Barefootsies · 08-06-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

If businesses were punished, rather than rewarded for outsourcing US labor and manufacturing, they would require US workers to produce their products.

So........... you want to punish the successful for the failures of others who made poor life choices?

Robbie · 08-06-2013, 02:43 PM

BFT3K you are all over the map now.

This is a discussion about people taking your order at the drive thru window at a fast food joint.
Totally entry level, unskilled labor.

If they work their way up the chain and become a manager...then yes they do make good money as they should.

And the only reason that businesses outsource anything is because it is cheaper. And the reason it is cheaper is because of govt. interference in the market.

And you proclaiming things to be "false arguments" does not make it so. It just means that it's your opinion and not based on YOU yourself owning a business that hires unskilled labor (mostly teens) to do entry level work.

blackmonsters · 08-06-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

How many guys in this thread would agree with this statement: The Minimum Wage is RACIST?

Here's one guy that agrees (not the future NPR commentator asking the question in the beginning):

NOTE: The first paragraph of the answer echoes L-Pink's comment. Interesting, no?

Pure fucking garbage.

What he is really advocating is that blacks get the same job but be paid less for it because the government(which has no responsibility according to him) is responsible for bad schools that black people go to.

You want to see racism? Then do away with the minimum wage and watch white teens suffer no jobs because employers think Blacks and Hispanics will work for less.

brassmonkey · 08-06-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Pure fucking garbage.

What he is really advocating is that blacks get the same job but be paid less for it because the government(which has no responsibility according to him) is responsible for bad schools that black people go to.

You want to see racism? Then do away with the minimum wage and watch white teens suffer no jobs because employers think Blacks and Hispanics will work for less.

nevermind i thought you said kill white people

Barefootsies · 08-06-2013, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

What he is really advocating is that blacks get the same job but be paid less for it because the government(which has no responsibility according to him) is responsible for bad schools that black people go to.

Why is that you darkies are always blaming someone for your problems?

If you do not like the school system, last I knew you could easily move somewhere else. The same goes for the jobs available where you live. You can always move someplace where you have better opportunities. No one if forcing you to stay there beyond yourself.

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Pure fucking garbage.

My thoughts exactly to this whole race argument. If you have the skills, and are willing to WORK to achieve your goals, you have the same opportunities as everyone else most of the time. Spend more time working and less time blaming others for your own failures.

blackmonsters · 08-06-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Why is that you darkies are always blaming someone for your problems?

If you do not like the school system, last I knew you could easily move somewhere else. The same goes for the jobs available where you live. You can always move someplace where you have better opportunities. No one if forcing you to stay there beyond yourself.

My thoughts exactly to this whole race argument. If you have the skills, and are willing to WORK to achieve your goals, you have the same opportunities as everyone else most of the time. Spend more time working and less time blaming others for your own failures.

Why does your whiteness stop you from fucking reading correctly?

The asshole in the video blamed the government for the school problem not some darkie.

Barefootsies · 08-06-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

The asshole in the video blamed the government for the school problem not some darkie.

Work more, blame others less, problem solved.

blackmonsters · 08-06-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Work more, blame others less, problem solved.

Read more, post less and then your problem of misquoting me will be solved.

kane · 08-06-2013, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky1234

I don't really see the problem with paying people $15 per hour to flip burgers. That's still subsistence level in the united states.they not gonna get rich. but the thing is, as long as there are people that will work for less then the companys have no incentive to increase the pay.

$15 per hour isn't that bad. The average wage in the US is $16 per hour. 75% of the population makes $50K per year or less.

Robbie · 08-06-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

$15 per hour isn't that bad. The average wage in the US is $16 per hour. 75% of the population makes $50K per year or less.

$15 to $16 an hour would be a good wage to pay to an employee who has a skilled labor position AND has proved he is a responsible worker (shows up on time, adds an extra value to the company above and beyond what the entry level workers do).

But no way in hell that McDonalds should pay the young person with their first job at the drive in window $15 an hour. That makes zero sense and takes away any need for people working there to even try to do a good job and get a promotion.

xNetworx · 08-06-2013, 08:02 PM

kane · 08-06-2013, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

$15 to $16 an hour would be a good wage to pay to an employee who has a skilled labor position AND has proved he is a responsible worker (shows up on time, adds an extra value to the company above and beyond what the entry level workers do).

But no way in hell that McDonalds should pay the young person with their first job at the drive in window $15 an hour. That makes zero sense and takes away any need for people working there to even try to do a good job and get a promotion.

I agree 100%. I was just pointing out that $16 is the average wage in this country. The post I was responding to was saying that $15 was still a very low, unlivable wage.

Some friends and I were talking about this today. One of them has a son who went in the Air Force right out of high school and served for 5 years. He has not been out for about four years. He married this girl and they had a kid and now they live with her parents who are on disability and he works at Walmart making about $9 per hour. Over the last weekend my buddy and his wife were visiting him and his wife and the son was telling how he was happy that he had a job, but he wants to get a job making three times as much as he makes. My buddy was trying to explain to him how to do that (go to school and learn a trade or work your way up the company ladder) and he was just not interested. It was as if he felt since he wanted the job he should get it.

The crazy thing is that for four years in the Air Force he was a fire fighter. He loved it and wanted to go into that field when he got out, but instead when he got out he hung out with friends, played video games, drank beer all day and ended up putting on 100lbs in the first year he was out so there was no way he could ever be a fire fighter.

My buddy tried to tell him he could still do it if he lost the weight and committed him self to it, but he acted like doing that was just too much work. He wants it handed to him.

08-07-2013, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

I agree 100%. I was just pointing out that $16 is the average wage in this country. The post I was responding to was saying that $15 was still a very low, unlivable wage.

Some friends and I were talking about this today. One of them has a son who went in the Air Force right out of high school and served for 5 years. He has not been out for about four years. He married this girl and they had a kid and now they live with her parents who are on disability and he works at Walmart making about $9 per hour. Over the last weekend my buddy and his wife were visiting him and his wife and the son was telling how he was happy that he had a job, but he wants to get a job making three times as much as he makes. My buddy was trying to explain to him how to do that (go to school and learn a trade or work your way up the company ladder) and he was just not interested. It was as if he felt since he wanted the job he should get it.

The crazy thing is that for four years in the Air Force he was a fire fighter. He loved it and wanted to go into that field when he got out, but instead when he got out he hung out with friends, played video games, drank beer all day and ended up putting on 100lbs in the first year he was out so there was no way he could ever be a fire fighter.

My buddy tried to tell him he could still do it if he lost the weight and committed him self to it, but he acted like doing that was just too much work. He wants it handed to him.

That girl in your sig should definitely hand me those ( o )( o ). I deserve it!!!

beemk · 08-07-2013, 09:29 AM

This thread is painful to read. How funny people who don't run a business have all the insight on how businesses should structure their pay.

_Richard_ · 08-07-2013, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk

This thread is painful to read. How funny people who don't run a business have all the insight on how businesses should structure their pay.

flip side is the current state of economy.

obviously the ones who have insight on how a business is structured is doing a bang up job.

time to transfer their HQs to china, were they can live amongst their peoples.

blackmonsters · 08-07-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by beemk

This thread is painful to read. How funny people who don't run a business have all the insight on how businesses should structure their pay.

Yeah, everybody is stupid to look at the employment market and make sure it never becomes de facto slavery.

Everybody should be free to work for $1 a day; that way a lot of people will be hired and
then companies can become very profitable by colluding to fix the wage at $1/day at every
firm and therefore forcing everyone into this fantastic profit scheme.

Serious question :

If minimum wage doesn't matter then why does illegal immigrant working matter?
The illegal works "under the table" for less then minimum wage and people complain that
this is unfair.

And what about society as a whole, minimum wage versus crime?
As long as selling crack on the street corner makes 3 times more then flipping burgers there will be crack on the corner. When it gets down to 2 times as much people start weighing the risk more and go flip burgers.

L-Pink · 08-07-2013, 10:20 AM

Money is a "chit" society gives you as compensation for your contribution to that society.

Those that can only contribute the flipping of a burger or mowing of a yard make a minimum contribution to that society and thus receive minimum compensation.

It's pretty simple, don't be a minimum contributor. Elevate yourself. Elevate your contribution. Increasing your worth to the given society increases your compensation.

To tell me I need to subsidize another's minimum effort is condoning that lack of effort.

blackmonsters · 08-07-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Money is a "chit" society gives you as compensation for your contribution to that society.

Those that can only contribute the flipping of a burger or mowing of a yard make a minimum contribution to that society and thus receive minimum compensation.

It's pretty simple, don't be a minimum contributor. Elevate yourself. Elevate your contribution. Increasing your worth to the given society increases your compensation.

To tell me I need to subsidize another's minimum effort is condoning that lack of effort.

Thanks for explaining why nobody in porn deserves a dime.

BFT3K · 08-07-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Thanks for explaining why nobody in porn deserves a dime.

And right there, is some ugly fucking truth!

Value of societal contribution is subjective.

Is an idiot that can play football more valuable than a research scientist?

Does a Wall Street speculator deserve millions for gambling with your money, while sitting in an air conditioned office?

You would have to pay me a ton of money to be outside all day picking oranges, but those workers get paid squat.

Should a US company, making billions off of cheap labor, be allowed to tax shelter that money?

Should a CEO be allowed to make a bazillion dollars while paying the lowest allowable wages to his or her workers, all the while gaming the system through bribery and shenanigans?

woj · 08-07-2013, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

If minimum wage doesn't matter then why does illegal immigrant working matter?
The illegal works "under the table" for less then minimum wage and people complain that
this is unfair.

And what about society as a whole, minimum wage versus crime?
As long as selling crack on the street corner makes 3 times more then flipping burgers there will be crack on the corner. When it gets down to 2 times as much people start weighing the risk more and go flip burgers.

who says it matters? there is nothing unfair about that...

there are drug dealers because there is demand for drugs... imagine that on your street there is demand for 20 dime bag per hour.... then imagine there are 2 drug dealers on your street... so each sells 10 dime bags per hour, for a lets say $30/hr profit...with me so far?

then one of them chooses to work at McDonalds for that $15/hr... so there will only be one drug dealer left on the street...

How many dime bags per hour will the remaining drug dealer sell now? what will be his profit per hour? Hint: his profits will be 2x. (actually likely more than 2x, cause with less competition he will be able to charge higher prices for his goods)

so the guy working at McDonalds will see that the other drug dealer is now scoring $60/hr and will quit because he could make 4x as much, no?

so increasing minimum wage will not decrease drug dealing...

_Richard_ · 08-07-2013, 11:01 AM

^ fantastic detective work.. what studies did you base your findings off of?

AmeliaG · 08-07-2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Obviously some here have never owned a business employing minimum wage workers.

Listening to you is like having a virgin tell me how good a pussy feels.

Fucking hilarious.

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Like a virgin telling you how sandpaper-y a pussy feels i.e. wrong info resulting from being uninformed and inexperienced.

PR_Glen · 08-07-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Most auto worker jobs don't take any more brain power than working at a fast food place. Yet they don't have to work for minimum wage.

That's a perfect example of a business plan that ruined and nearly bankrupted their business if it were not for bailouts. Nice example..

L-Pink · 08-07-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

And right there, is some ugly fucking truth!

Value of societal contribution is subjective.

Is an idiot that can play football more valuable than a research scientist?

Does a Wall Street speculator deserve millions for gambling with your money, while sitting in an air conditioned office?

You would have to pay me a ton of money to be outside all day picking oranges, but those workers get paid squat.

Should a US company, making billions off of cheap labor, be allowed to tax shelter that money?

Should a CEO be allowed to make a bazillion dollars while paying the lowest allowable wages to his or her workers, all the while gaming the system through bribery and shenanigans?

It's not speculative it's fact.

A football player brings entertainment to millions with his efforts. A guy flipping burgers made one person less hungry. An athletes incredible work ethic and training got him into that position.

A Wall Street broker worked hard and smart to be in the position to control millions. Those that worked equally hard and smartly give him the fruits if that labor to manage.

Your orange picker while working hard has picked a profession where his efforts have never been rewarded. A profession where no training or education is or will be needed. For him to expect more is foolish.

To continue your argument means you also don't get how the natural system of our society works. Good luck you will need it.

sperbonzo · 08-07-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Yeah, everybody is stupid to look at the employment market and make sure it never becomes de facto slavery.

Everybody should be free to work for $1 a day; that way a lot of people will be hired and
then companies can become very profitable by colluding to fix the wage at $1/day at every
firm and therefore forcing everyone into this fantastic profit scheme.
.

No offense, but this is complete nonsense. If the only thing keeping employers from paying $1 per hour is the minimum wage, then ALL wages would be the minimum wage. Instead it is about 5% of the population. If the only reason why employers are paying above $1 per hour is the minimum wage, then why wouldn't they only be paying that to the other 95% of people?

The fact is that there is for the most part a free market of value vrs pay. The reason why 95% of people get paid more than minimum wage is that the value that they bring to an employer is worth more, and therefore employers will compete in order to have these workers. If you raise the minimum wage to levels where the value of the work done is not equal to the pay, then you basically trap more and more people at the bottom. People will not be able to jump up from their starting salaries, and there will be no "starter jobs" for young people to get experience working and move up. (Look at the unemployment among people under 25 in the EU)

(This will of course make more and more people dependent on government, which fits right in with the plans of the people that will stay in power by having all these dependent people voting for them....)

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Grapesoda · 08-07-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Sorry champ, I am a business owner, not a hobbyist. Meaning I have paid my dues many times over to achieve success.

Unlike these people who want $15.00 for flipping a burger, I have actually busted my fucking ass over the years to get to the position in life I am at now and reap the rewards of my hard work. I put in a lot of long hours for years, and sacrificed, to achieve my goals. Why should I be happy about being taxed so that freeloaders get to enjoy a life of entitlements? I think not.

If you want to achieve a certain comfortable standard of living, you WORK FOR IT.

that's why is surprises me to see you backing the 'whinny crowd' about stuff, Pal

Barefootsies · 08-07-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

that's why is surprises me to see you backing the 'whinny crowd' about stuff,

Sorry toots bmbradley, I am not going to keep playing your game of devil's advocate all day.

I've already explained my point of view, and why it is what it is. I am not a die hard republican or democrat but share values of both I am sure on some level. I am a business owner who is tired of being raped in taxes so that others get government hand outs for being lazy and making poor life/career choices.

I have had to bust my fucking ass and sacrifice to get to where I am with little help considering I didn't have a family to fall back on to bail me out of any jams or poor decisions in life. If I fucked up beyond the point of no return, it was all on me. That said, through hard work, I have a decent nut to show for years of staying focused, success and failure. The point being, I have WORKED for what I wanted in a standard of life.

If others do not want to work as hard, they should not be rewarded for being lazy.

kane · 08-07-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

And right there, is some ugly fucking truth!

Value of societal contribution is subjective.

Is an idiot that can play football more valuable than a research scientist?

Does a Wall Street speculator deserve millions for gambling with your money, while sitting in an air conditioned office?

You would have to pay me a ton of money to be outside all day picking oranges, but those workers get paid squat.

Should a US company, making billions off of cheap labor, be allowed to tax shelter that money?

Should a CEO be allowed to make a bazillion dollars while paying the lowest allowable wages to his or her workers, all the while gaming the system through bribery and shenanigans?

This is why wages aren't really based on their value to society, they are based on the actual value of what the job provides and how many others can do it.

For example, a guy who can fix my car if it breaks down is more valuable to me than a guy flipping a burger at a fast food place. Most people can't fix their car, but most people cloud flip a burger. Hence, a mechanic makes a lot more money than person working at a fast food place. Like you, I would have to be paid nicely in order get out in the blazing sun and pick oranges, but it is a job just about anyone could do so it won't pay very well. If it became a situation where they had trouble finding workers they might raise the pay. Let m give you an example.When I was a kid I grew up in a small town that had several farms that grew strawberries. Many kids from age 13 up spent their summers picking strawberries to make money. Normally they paid between $1.00 and $1.25 per crate of berries. Towards the end of one summer many of the migrant workers moved on to something else and the two big farms were having trouble getting people out there to work. It got to the point where they might not get the harvest done. They ended up having to raise their price to $2.50 per crate and only then did they get enough workers to get it done.

An athlete gets paid relative to what they contribute to the team and how well the team does. If you are a star player on an NFL team it is fair to say that you likely contribute heavily to that teams success. Many people will buy your jersey and memorabilia and many others will pay a premium price to come see play. Because of this you are likely worth the millions you are getting paid. Are there overpaid athletes? Sure. Every year you hear about guys signing big contracts and then not playing very well, but as a whole when you have a job that people are willing to pay hundreds of dollars to watch you do and TV stations are willing to pay billions for the rights to broadcast it, you are likely worth the high wage you are getting.

blackmonsters · 08-07-2013, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

And right there, is some ugly fucking truth!

Value of societal contribution is subjective.

Is an idiot that can play football more valuable than a research scientist?

Does a Wall Street speculator deserve millions for gambling with your money, while sitting in an air conditioned office?

You would have to pay me a ton of money to be outside all day picking oranges, but those workers get paid squat.

Should a US company, making billions off of cheap labor, be allowed to tax shelter that money?

Should a CEO be allowed to make a bazillion dollars while paying the lowest allowable wages to his or her workers, all the while gaming the system through bribery and shenanigans?

Let me check you on some stupid shit said over and over again by stupid fucks.
Almost every football player getting paid has completed a degree from a major University.

Who the fuck are these basic high school educated fucks calling idiots?

Oh wait, all the football players cheat on their exams right? That's your next bullshit.

I seriously doubt that your IQ is as high as any offensive lineman that played at any major university. You have no clue.

When someone thinks football players are dumber than the rest of the people that is only evidence of how fucking dumb that person is.

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Supz · 08-07-2013, 02:29 PM

it was a job created for college kids and retards. its not a career.

bushwacker · 08-07-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Let me check you on some stupid shit said over and over again by stupid fucks.
Almost every football player getting paid has completed a degree from a major University.

Who the fuck are these basic high school educated fucks calling idiots?

Oh wait, all the football players cheat on their exams right? That's your next bullshit.

I seriously doubt that your IQ is as high as any offensive lineman that played at any major university. You have no clue.

When someone thinks football players are dumber than the rest of the people that is only evidence of how fucking dumb that person is.

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Preach, brotha, preach!!

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arock10 · 08-07-2013, 03:04 PM

you can spew whatever facts and phrases you want but its really just what the Koch brothers want you to say

Grapesoda · 08-07-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

flip side is the current state of economy.

obviously the ones who have insight on how a business is structured is doing a bang up job.

time to transfer their HQs to china, were they can live amongst their peoples.

attention dipshit: the issue was have is the people running this country have NEVER run a business or even had fucking jobs...

TheSquealer · 08-07-2013, 03:07 PM

Poor people have no clue what they are worth. They also tend to do very little to increase their value to employers.

The market determines your value... end of story. When you have skills, knowledge, a great attitude and you're willing to go above and beyond, your value goes up.

If you are getting $7.00 an hour, its not because you bring $30.00 per hour of value to a business.. its because any chimpanzee can do your job. Until you educate yourself, out-work, out-learn and out-try everyone around you... you have little value.

When i was 19 years old, I moved to Kodiak, Alaska. I got a job at a fishing related company (selling nets and supplies, repairing fishing gear (mostly bottom and midwater trawls) and so on). I busted my ass. I made little money... but when someone needed something, i ran. When someone asked me to carry something... i grabbed 4 when others grabbed 1. When someone needed help, i stayed late. I went above and beyond in everything. I started working on the fishing gear (which is kinda complex) and tried to learn everything I could. I tried to become knowledgeable in everything. I tried to become very good at repairs to complex midwater trawls. I learned everything i could. Everything. I never stopped trying to learn and understand.

With that, doors started opening. With that, people started coming to me offering me jobs on very nice trawlers. Jobs that paid 10-20-30k per month. When i got great jobs, i stepped up my game. When we hadn't slept for 3 days, i was the only one smiling. When we hadn't ate for 12 hrs, I was out-working everyone around me. When someone needed to stay longer in the middle of the Bering Sea in February, i always volunteered. When anyone needed anything, i was there and trying twice as hard as anyone else. When we weren't fishing, I was busy working full time for huge net companies that modified/repaired bottom and midwater trawls for the biggests and most successful boats in the Bering Sea fleet.

With that, every door possible was open to me. Everyone knew me. I knew everyone. Everyone knew I worked hard. I had job offers non stop. I worked many years making 150-250 k a year with no education at all.

SO FUCK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU WITH A BULLSHIT IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE OWED. YOU ARE OWED NOTHING. YOUR VALUE IS NOT DETERMINED BY YOUR OWN SUBJECTIVE SENSE OF SELF ENTITLEMENT. YOUR VALUE IS EXACTLY THAT... WHAT YOU ARE WORTH. IF YOU ARE MAKING $8.00 AN HOUR... IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON WITH NO PLAN. IF YOU THINK GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO FIX THAT FOR YOU, I PRAY TO GOD YOU GET YOUR NUTS CRUSHED IN A VICE SO I DON'T HAVE TO SUPPORT YOU AND YOUR WORTHLESS FUCKING KIDS WHO WILL LIKELY END UP IN PRISON ANYWAY.

That is all.

Shut the fuck up and start bettering yourself. Be the best at everything you do, be the best person you can be... strive for excellence and doors will always open for you. Sit around and bitch and whine and doors will never open for you. Welcome to life. It's cruel. But its far more fair, than unfair.

TheSquealer · 08-07-2013, 03:09 PM

Funny how the lowest common denominator in society always feels the most entitled.

blackmonsters · 08-07-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Poor people have no clue what they are worth. They also tend to do very little to increase their value to employers beyond bitch and complain.

The market determines your value... end of story. When you have skills, knowledge, a great attitude and you're willing to go above and beyond, your value goes up.

If you are getting $7.00 an hour, its not because you bring $30.00 per hour of value to a business.. its because any chimpanzee can do your job. Until you educate yourself, out-work, out-learn and out-try everyone around you... you have little value.

When i was 19 years old, I moved to Kodiak, Alaska. I got a job at a fishing related company (selling nets and supplies, repairing fishing gear (mostly bottom and midwater trawls) and so on). I busted my ass. I made little money... but when someone needed something, i ran. When someone asked me to carry something... i grabbed 4 when others grabbed 1. When someone needed help, i stayed late. I went above and beyond in everything. I started working on the fishing gear (which is kinda complex) and tried to learn everything I could. I tried to become knowledgeable in everything. I tried to become very good at repairs to complex midwater trawls. I learned everything i could. Everything. I never stopped trying to learn and understand.

With that, doors started opening. With that, people started coming to me offering me jobs on very nice trawlers. Jobs that paid 10-20-30k per month. When i got great jobs, i stepped up my game. When we hadn't slept for 3 days, i was the only one smiling. When we hadn't ate for 12 hrs, I was out-working everyone around me. When someone needed to stay longer in the middle of the Bering Sea in February, i always volunteered. When anyone needed anything, i was there and trying twice as hard as anyone else. When we weren't fishing, I was busy working full time for huge net companies that modified/repaired bottom and midwater trawls for the biggests and most successful boats in the Bering Sea fleet.

With that, every door possible was open to me. Everyone knew me. I knew everyone. Everyone knew I worked hard. I had job offers non stop. I worked many years making 150-250 k a year with no education at all.

SO FUCK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU WITH A BULLSHIT IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE OWED. YOU ARE OWED NOTHING. YOUR VALUE IS NOT DETERMINED BY YOUR OWN SUBJECTIVE SENSE OF SELF ENTITLEMENT. YOUR VALUE IS EXACTLY THAT... WHAT YOU ARE WORTH. IF YOU ARE MAKING $8.00 AN HOUR... IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON WITH NO PLAN. IF YOU THINK GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO FIX THAT FOR YOU, I PRAY TO GOD YOU GET YOUR NUTS CRUSHED IN A VICE SO I DON'T HAVE TO SUPPORT YOU AND YOUR WORTHLESS FUCKING KIDS WHO WILL LIKELY END UP IN PRISON ANYWAY.

That is all.

Shut the fuck up and start bettering yourself. Be the best at everything you do, be the best person you can be... strive for excellence and doors will always open for you. Sit around and bitch and whine and doors will never open for you. Welcome to life. It's cruel. But its far more fair, than unfair.

All that means nothing to people who know that their parents bought a house by working in retail at just above minimum wage.

That shit ain't happening today.

blackmonsters · 08-07-2013, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Funny how the lowest common denominator in society always feels the most entitled.

Good point, rich people never feel like they are entitled.
That's why when they are stopped by a cop they never say "do you know who I am?".

BFT3K · 08-07-2013, 03:30 PM

When I was a kid I used to walk to school eight days a week, 10 miles, uphill each way! When we didn't have food we ate rocks, and we liked it! My first job was shoveling hot molten lava back into an active volcano for ten cents a day! Don't tell me about minimum wages! You should pay me just for the privilege to work at all! I sell fucking chinese widgets now! I'm a fucking genius, and I look down upon the rest of you maggots!

TheSquealer · 08-07-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

When I was a kid I used to walk to school eight days a week, 10 miles, uphill each way! When we didn't have food we ate rocks, and we liked it! My first job was shoveling hot molten lava back into an active volcano for ten cents a day! Don't tell me about minimum wages! You should pay me just for the privilege to work at all! I sell fucking chinese widgets now! I'm a fucking genius, and I look down upon the rest of you maggots!

I look down on pathetic, self entitled pussies who want and now expect all the rewards without any of the sacrifice and hard work.

Doesn't affect me one way or the other unless its the tax consequences of paying for their prison time and welfare. I will never be the one bitching about why i am entitled to a 1.96/hr raise... because I made sure I would never be in that position.

Doesn't surprise me either that the truth in what i've said taken from my own story was offensive you. God forbid people accept personal responsibility.

TheSquealer · 08-07-2013, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Good point, rich people never feel like they are entitled.
That's why when they are stopped by a cop they never say "do you know who I am?".

vs the 19 year old fuckwit who gets stopped and thinks he can talk shit to police without consequences... then wants to talk about what a victim he is as he's being arrested.

One scenario happens all day, every day all over the USA. The other doesn't.

08-06-2013, 02:43 PM	#159
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	BFT3K you are all over the map now. This is a discussion about people taking your order at the drive thru window at a fast food joint. Totally entry level, unskilled labor. If they work their way up the chain and become a manager...then yes they do make good money as they should. And the only reason that businesses outsource anything is because it is cheaper. And the reason it is cheaper is because of govt. interference in the market. And you proclaiming things to be "false arguments" does not make it so. It just means that it's your opinion and not based on YOU yourself owning a business that hires unskilled labor (mostly teens) to do entry level work. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

08-07-2013, 09:29 AM	#171
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	This thread is painful to read. How funny people who don't run a business have all the insight on how businesses should structure their pay. __________________ I host with Vacares

08-07-2013, 03:00 PM	#189
arock10 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,218	__________________ Sup

08-07-2013, 03:02 PM	#190
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08-06-2013, 02:39 PM	#157
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	The government handouts have greatly contributed to this problem, but not in the way many of you would like to steer the narrative. If businesses were punished, rather than rewarded for outsourcing US labor and manufacturing, they would require US workers to produce their products. US workers would then have more money to buy said products, and in the end life could be better for everyone. Instead, a false argument has become reality to many, and even though it doesn't make a stitch of sense, you blame the poor for being poor, rather than the true culprits.

08-06-2013, 08:02 PM	#168
xNetworx So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Whore Island Posts: 14,445

08-07-2013, 10:20 AM	#174
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,152	Money is a "chit" society gives you as compensation for your contribution to that society. Those that can only contribute the flipping of a burger or mowing of a yard make a minimum contribution to that society and thus receive minimum compensation. It's pretty simple, don't be a minimum contributor. Elevate yourself. Elevate your contribution. Increasing your worth to the given society increases your compensation. To tell me I need to subsidize another's minimum effort is condoning that lack of effort.

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_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 30,986	^ fantastic detective work.. what studies did you base your findings off of?

08-07-2013, 02:29 PM	#187
Supz Arthur Flegenheimer Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 11,056	it was a job created for college kids and retards. its not a career.

08-07-2013, 03:04 PM	#192
arock10 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,218	you can spew whatever facts and phrases you want but its really just what the Koch brothers want you to say __________________ Sup

08-07-2013, 03:07 PM	#194
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,083	Poor people have no clue what they are worth. They also tend to do very little to increase their value to employers. The market determines your value... end of story. When you have skills, knowledge, a great attitude and you're willing to go above and beyond, your value goes up. If you are getting $7.00 an hour, its not because you bring $30.00 per hour of value to a business.. its because any chimpanzee can do your job. Until you educate yourself, out-work, out-learn and out-try everyone around you... you have little value. When i was 19 years old, I moved to Kodiak, Alaska. I got a job at a fishing related company (selling nets and supplies, repairing fishing gear (mostly bottom and midwater trawls) and so on). I busted my ass. I made little money... but when someone needed something, i ran. When someone asked me to carry something... i grabbed 4 when others grabbed 1. When someone needed help, i stayed late. I went above and beyond in everything. I started working on the fishing gear (which is kinda complex) and tried to learn everything I could. I tried to become knowledgeable in everything. I tried to become very good at repairs to complex midwater trawls. I learned everything i could. Everything. I never stopped trying to learn and understand. With that, doors started opening. With that, people started coming to me offering me jobs on very nice trawlers. Jobs that paid 10-20-30k per month. When i got great jobs, i stepped up my game. When we hadn't slept for 3 days, i was the only one smiling. When we hadn't ate for 12 hrs, I was out-working everyone around me. When someone needed to stay longer in the middle of the Bering Sea in February, i always volunteered. When anyone needed anything, i was there and trying twice as hard as anyone else. When we weren't fishing, I was busy working full time for huge net companies that modified/repaired bottom and midwater trawls for the biggests and most successful boats in the Bering Sea fleet. With that, every door possible was open to me. Everyone knew me. I knew everyone. Everyone knew I worked hard. I had job offers non stop. I worked many years making 150-250 k a year with no education at all. SO FUCK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU WITH A BULLSHIT IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE OWED. YOU ARE OWED NOTHING. YOUR VALUE IS NOT DETERMINED BY YOUR OWN SUBJECTIVE SENSE OF SELF ENTITLEMENT. YOUR VALUE IS EXACTLY THAT... WHAT YOU ARE WORTH. IF YOU ARE MAKING $8.00 AN HOUR... IT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON WITH NO PLAN. IF YOU THINK GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO FIX THAT FOR YOU, I PRAY TO GOD YOU GET YOUR NUTS CRUSHED IN A VICE SO I DON'T HAVE TO SUPPORT YOU AND YOUR WORTHLESS FUCKING KIDS WHO WILL LIKELY END UP IN PRISON ANYWAY. That is all. Shut the fuck up and start bettering yourself. Be the best at everything you do, be the best person you can be... strive for excellence and doors will always open for you. Sit around and bitch and whine and doors will never open for you. Welcome to life. It's cruel. But its far more fair, than unfair. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard Last edited by TheSquealer; 08-07-2013 at 03:10 PM..

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TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,083	Funny how the lowest common denominator in society always feels the most entitled. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard

08-07-2013, 03:30 PM	#198
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	When I was a kid I used to walk to school eight days a week, 10 miles, uphill each way! When we didn't have food we ate rocks, and we liked it! My first job was shoveling hot molten lava back into an active volcano for ten cents a day! Don't tell me about minimum wages! You should pay me just for the privilege to work at all! I sell fucking chinese widgets now! I'm a fucking genius, and I look down upon the rest of you maggots! Last edited by BFT3K; 08-07-2013 at 03:32 PM..