Turkey protest in Holland, döner revolution

[Tasty1]

[Look Chang]

Nice pic

[~Ray]

Funny

Ray
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[Bladewire]

[Tasty1]

Yes, the heat is on in Holland after the Turkey protest.
It is only 3 days before the elections in Holland.

Now for the first time there will be an islam party running that is a tool of Erdogan.
Let's see how many votes they get, where only 1000 protesters.
But than can be more soon.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

[mineistaken]

Holland is being enriched.

[Paul Markham]

Turks have the option of not moving to Holland if they don't like the reception. The Dutch don't have that option.

[Barry-xlovecam]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_politics

So you think that is not diplomatically abnormal?

IDK if there are any Dutch Diasporas of any significance

[Tasty1]

PS, it is forbidden by Turkish law that Turkish ministers campaign in foreign countries.
Offcourse i see a lot of European going to Ukrain, and everywhere to campaign.
But that is good, this is bad. Somehow.

Cartoon time




In Turkey they protest by drinking Orange juice.

[Bladewire]

Putin is behind this, don't forget Turkey's Erdogan is Putin's lapdog who's new dictatorship is propped up by Putin.

Who could imagine a dictator attacking the liberalism of a European nation, same playbook as before.

Be strong Dutch!

Where is Nico-T? He is not go.meeting in this thread and he's in Holland!

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_politics

So you think that is not diplomatically abnormal?

IDK if there are any Dutch Diasporas of any significance

You don't know because Dutch people are civilized and they do not create problems abroad as they naturally respect the way of life of the country they live in. Complete opposite of uncivilized people of certain cultures.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

You don't know because Dutch people are civilized and they do not create problems abroad as they naturally respect the way of life of the country they live in. Complete opposite of uncivilized people of certain cultures.

Unlike you who created problems abroad using American politics to attack Americans here everyday while never addressing the issues of your own country, as if you are anonymously superior.

So Dutch don't cause problems abroad but Slovakians like you do.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

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IDK if there are any Dutch Diasporas of any significance

Even in Brazil there is, Holambra.

The safest city in Brazil, biggest producer of flowers and plants in latin America and a tourist theme park.

BUT, a Dutch person can't have double passports and so not able to vote in Holland.
They mut choose, keep Dutch passport, or foreign passport.
While foreigners coming to Holland can keep both passports.
Or they have two cause their country of origin don't allow you to give up their passport.

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Unlike you who created problems abroad using American politics to attack Americans here everyday while never addressing the issues of your own country, as if you are anonymously superior.

So Dutch don't cause problems abroad but Slovakians like you do.

Idiot, I attacked libsters of many countries. I attacked based on POSTS not on nationality.
Nationality has 0% relevance to me, in many cases I do not even know it.

How dense you must be to not comprehend such a simple thing?

Tool...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Idiot, I attacked libsters of many countries. I attacked based on POSTS not on nationality.
Nationality has 0% relevance to me, in many cases I do not even know it.

How dense you must be to not comprehend such a simple thing?

Tool...

Name calling is the first sign of a weak mind.

Yes Slovakian, who spends all day on conspiracies and attacking Americans on GFY, I indeed am the dense one

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Name calling is the first sign of a weak mind.

Yes Slovakian, who spends all day on conspiracies and attacking Americans on GFY, I indeed am the dense one

Yes, not understanding that I attack people based on their POSTS and not based on their nationality (which I do not even know in many cases) surely is the definite thing to conclude that you are the dense one.
It is close to not understanding that 2+2=4.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Putin is behind this, don't forget Turkey's Erdogan is Putin's lapdog who's new dictatorship is propped up by Putin.

Each has its own phobia))

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by mineistaken

Yes, not understanding that I attack people based on their POSTS and not based on their nationality (which I do not even know in many cases) surely is the definite thing to conclude that you are the dense one.
It is close to not understanding that 2+2=4.

Your simple mind can only think everybody not supporting Putin, Erdogon & Trump is a liberal. Very unfortunate you can't learn foreign politics competently and name call opposing views instead of using your intelect, if you have any

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Your simple mind can only think everybody not supporting Putin, Erdogon & Trump is a liberal. Very unfortunate you can't learn foreign politics competently and name call opposing views instead of using your intelect, if you have any

putin putin putin

[Sarn]

turks protests in Rotterdam

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Yes, the heat is on in Holland after the Turkey protest.
It is only 3 days before the elections in Holland.

Now for the first time there will be an islam party running that is a tool of Erdogan.
Let's see how many votes they get, where only 1000 protesters.
But than can be more soon.

why do you tell just the half story ?
because you know that your "brothers" can´t read anyway ?

The police of Rotterdam are going with water guns and batons against the protestors.
This was done on the instructions of the mayor of Rotterdam.

and now the VERY FUNNY PART for all uneducated uninformed liars here:

The name of this mayor who gave this order is Ahmed Aboutaleb - and HE IS MUSLIM !!!!!

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

So these people invade another country and now are calling that country hitler?! wtf?

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

why do you tell just the half story ?
because you know that your "brothers" can´t read anyway ?

The police of Rotterdam are going with water guns and batons against the protestors.
This was done on the instructions of the mayor of Rotterdam.

and now the VERY FUNNY PART for all uneducated uninformed liars here:

The name of this mayor who gave this order is Ahmed Aboutaleb - and HE IS MUSLIM !!!!!

Well Thommy, looks like you find it so interesting to look what background a mayor has.
Are the demonstrations therefor less important? What is the point of saying that the mayor of Rotterdam is Turkish? Sorry, i realy don't get your point. Because i didn't look at the origin of the Mayor, but more what the Erdogan fanatics where doing.

You write like if you scored a goal, found something secret, but in the end it makes no sense. No lying here, not uninformed, everyone can see the news on tv.


This is how the real Nazi's left Rotterdam.

And offcourse they water away the protesters, they always do that when people don't move.

[Tasty1]

LIDERi Erdogan oder der "Führer" kommt nach Köln

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Well Thommy, looks like you find it so interesting to look what background a mayor has.
Are the demonstrations therefor less important? What is the point of saying that the mayor of Rotterdam is Turkish? Sorry, i realy don't get your point. Because i didn't look at the origin of the Mayor, but more what the Erdogan fanatics where doing.

You write like if you scored a goal, found something secret, but in the end it makes no sense. No lying here, not uninformed, everyone can see the news on tv.


This is how the real Nazi's left Rotterdam.

And offcourse they water away the protesters, they always do that when people don't move.

well my point is, that there are not "muslims" same there are no "germans" or "dutchs"

i really hate erdogan (but trump loves him) and i hate what fucking game he tries at the moment - it is the same brainwash game as trump plays.

but on the reaction of this mayor (and a few million muslims more in europe) that there is already a small front of muslims who not only say no and go back to sleep.

imagin if this mayor would NOT be a muslim?
what do you think what that do with the brainwashed muslims around the world?
in one night that would produce 1 million terrorists more !!!!!!

we NEED this kind of people but we will not find them when we declare them all as our enemies.

the way out of this dilemma is not to fight with them - the way out is to TALK with them and than THEY can possibly stop that cruel within the next 100 years by EDUCATE their children in this way.

you should never forget that this people did NOT come to our countries first - if WE haven´t been there to saw hate all that would not exist.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

well my point is, that there are not "muslims" same there are no "germans" or "dutchs"

i really hate erdogan (but trump loves him) and i hate what fucking game he tries at the moment - it is the same brainwash game as trump plays.

but on the reaction of this mayor (and a few million muslims more in europe) that there is already a small front of muslims who not only say no and go back to sleep.

imagin if this mayor would NOT be a muslim?
what do you think what that do with the brainwashed muslims around the world?
in one night that would produce 1 million terrorists more !!!!!!

we NEED this kind of people but we will not find them when we declare them all as our enemies.

the way out of this dilemma is not to fight with them - the way out is to TALK with them and than THEY can possibly stop that cruel within the next 100 years by EDUCATE their children in this way.

you should never forget that this people did NOT come to our countries first - if WE haven´t been there to saw hate all that would not exist.

This mayors party is the PvdA. It used to be the biggest party for Turkish people to vote for. They are in government now but will loose probaly around 50% of their votes in this week election.

People now expect the Turkish people will vote DENK, the party that loves Erdogan. DENK is founded by two Turkish politicians that where also PvdA but stepped out of the party 2 years ago and started their own Islam party.

All political parties supported that the Minister President stopped the Turkish ministers airplane, except DENK. When the Minister President forbid that the plane could land there came several convoys from Germany with another Turkish president. trying to fool the police using different cars. Altough Turkey said the whole time nobody was coming.And than the Mayor of Rotterdam stepped in to prevent violence and demonstrations.

Just 2 days ago the party DENK said that he had made 1 biggest mistake in his career with the PvdA. Supporting the current mayor of Rotterdam, when he was still with the PvdA.

Now the rumours are that the Dutch president acted this way cause he want to show how fier he is regarding Turkey. (the elections are coming). Cause De Bild (german newspaper) says that the ministers would be welcome, but after the Dutch elections. Cause they where afraid Wilders would get more votes.

But in the end it is DENK that will win and a lot of Turkish people will vote for them. 70% of the Turkish in Holland support Erdogan.

I said, only 1000 protesting. That is not much, there are 400.000 Turkish people in Holland.

I think you live in a dreamworld. This is the 3th/4th generation of Turkish people in Holland. And you say maybe in 100 years more they will eduate the people.... Why should we educate them??? I don't have the feeling somebody needs to educate them. We had that proces with other religions long ago. No time to waste another 100 year on that shit. Just sent the criminals out. If they love Erdogan so much and hate Holland so much, why do they stay?

Now it is the second time some Nazi lovers try to destroy Rotterdam.


Protesters making "Grey Wolf" signs

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

This mayors party is the PvdA. It used to be the biggest party for Turkish people to vote for. They are in government now but will loose probaly around 50% of their votes in this week election.

People now expect the Turkish people will vote DENK, the party that loves Erdogan. DENK is founded by two Turkish politicians that where also PvdA but stepped out of the party 2 years ago and started their own Islam party.

All political parties supported that the Minister President stopped the Turkish ministers airplane, except DENK. When the Minister President forbid that the plane could land there came several convoys from Germany with another Turkish president. trying to fool the police using different cars. Altough Turkey said the whole time nobody was coming.And than the Mayor of Rotterdam stepped in to prevent violence and demonstrations.

Just 2 days ago the party DENK said that he had made 1 biggest mistake in his career with the PvdA. Supporting the current mayor of Rotterdam, when he was still with the PvdA.

Now the rumours are that the Dutch president acted this way cause he want to show how fier he is regarding Turkey. (the elections are coming). Cause De Bild (german newspaper) says that the ministers would be welcome, but after the Dutch elections. Cause they where afraid Wilders would get more votes.

But in the end it is DENK that will win and a lot of Turkish people will vote for them. 70% of the Turkish in Holland support Erdogan.

I said, only 1000 protesting. That is not much, there are 400.000 Turkish people in Holland.

I think you live in a dreamworld. This is the 3th/4th generation of Turkish people in Holland. And you say maybe in 100 years more they will eduate the people.... Why should we educate them??? I don't have the feeling somebody needs to educate them. We had that proces with other religions long ago. No time to waste another 100 year on that shit. Just sent the criminals out. If they love Erdogan so much and hate Holland so much, why do they stay?

Now it is the second time some Nazi lovers try to destroy Rotterdam.

i completely understand your concerns but the point is that in this century you can´t go with an army somewhere and win a war.

they are MUCH more and they are not scared to die for what they believe.

that Europe haven´t seen a real war since the second one (except Yugoslavia )
is a result of talk together and find compromises.
i think we still live damned good in Europe - even when things are not perfect.

but that is life - if there are 2 with different meanings nobody will change the others point. they can only agree on something in the middle and live in piece together.

the Romans killed the Christians for centuries - Christians are still alive but Roma is gone.

There was also a time when Muslims and Christians lived together in peace. In fact, we learned a lot from them and they shared it without a problem. The real big problems with the Muslim countries started after Britain and the USA interfered there and wanted their oil.

As all these countries are too small to win a war against one of these nations they invented the jihad and collected a worldwide army by using a religious believing.

At the end "believers" always win - what the Americans should have learned already in Vietnam were they lost a war against people who are not taller than 10-year-old children - but they BELIEVED and there is no weapon to destroy believing.

That is why it does not make sense to make the problem bigger with sawing hate. Maybe we should try to saw "understanding each other"
and remind people one the one as on the other side that there have been centuries when we lived in freedom and prosperity together.

We should not allow that financial interest of multibillion companies control the politics and give a shit on piece. We should destroy all this war-makers, the weapon producers and should cancel the licenses of pharma indutrials and others who make billions and billions with the human right to live as soon as they jump over the limit.

I could give you a bunch more REAL ENEMIES - we are trying to resolve that problem from the wrong perspective.

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by thommy

i completely understand your concerns but the point is that in this century you can´t go with an army somewhere and win a war.

they are MUCH more and they are not scared to die for what they believe.

that Europe haven´t seen a real war since the second one (except Yugoslavia )
is a result of talk together and find compromises.
i think we still live damned good in Europe - even when things are not perfect.

but that is life - if there are 2 with different meanings nobody will change the others point. they can only agree on something in the middle and live in piece together.

the Romans killed the Christians for centuries - Christians are still alive but Roma is gone.

There was also a time when Muslims and Christians lived together in peace. In fact, we learned a lot from them and they shared it without a problem. The real big problems with the Muslim countries started after Britain and the USA interfered there and wanted their oil.

As all these countries are too small to win a war against one of these nations they invented the jihad and collected a worldwide army by using a religious believing.

At the end "believers" always win - what the Americans should have learned already in Vietnam were they lost a war against people who are not taller than 10-year-old children - but they BELIEVED and there is no weapon to destroy believing.

That is why it does not make sense to make the problem bigger with sawing hate. Maybe we should try to saw "understanding each other"
and remind people one the one as on the other side that there have been centuries when we lived in freedom and prosperity together.

We should not allow that financial interest of multibillion companies control the politics and give a shit on piece. We should destroy all this war-makers, the weapon producers and should cancel the licenses of pharma indutrials and others who make billions and billions with the human right to live as soon as they jump over the limit.

I could give you a bunch more REAL ENEMIES - we are trying to resolve that problem from the wrong perspective.

Good thing Hillary, the actual war monger lost the election

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

i completely understand your concerns but the point is that in this century you can´t go with an army somewhere and win a war.

they are MUCH more and they are not scared to die for what they believe.

that Europe haven´t seen a real war since the second one (except Yugoslavia )
is a result of talk together and find compromises.
i think we still live damned good in Europe - even when things are not perfect.

but that is life - if there are 2 with different meanings nobody will change the others point. they can only agree on something in the middle and live in piece together.

the Romans killed the Christians for centuries - Christians are still alive but Roma is gone.

There was also a time when Muslims and Christians lived together in peace. In fact, we learned a lot from them and they shared it without a problem. The real big problems with the Muslim countries started after Britain and the USA interfered there and wanted their oil.

As all these countries are too small to win a war against one of these nations they invented the jihad and collected a worldwide army by using a religious believing.

At the end "believers" always win - what the Americans should have learned already in Vietnam were they lost a war against people who are not taller than 10-year-old children - but they BELIEVED and there is no weapon to destroy believing.

That is why it does not make sense to make the problem bigger with sawing hate. Maybe we should try to saw "understanding each other"
and remind people one the one as on the other side that there have been centuries when we lived in freedom and prosperity together.

We should not allow that financial interest of multibillion companies control the politics and give a shit on piece. We should destroy all this war-makers, the weapon producers and should cancel the licenses of pharma indutrials and others who make billions and billions with the human right to live as soon as they jump over the limit.

I could give you a bunch more REAL ENEMIES - we are trying to resolve that problem from the wrong perspective.

Good luck with that plan, didn't work out very well the last 40 years, did it?
I am talking here about the fanatic grey wolve Erdogan fans. Considered as a terrorist organization in Germany. And your plan is to talk? That are the groups that give every Turk a bad name, finnce mosques, drug trafficking, having radical priests and you want to talk for 100 years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_W...(organization)

Well, yes sure.

I think it is best to sent the criminal radicals who don't want to live in Holland in freedom to Turkey and take their passport. They have double passports anyway. But hey, we can wait another 100 year. Than we don't have 10.000 of radicals but maybe 1 million. Great plan. But what if it fails?

That is not radical, that is what the minister president in Canada also does! He just sent a Dutchman back who live from 8 months old in Canada and lived 58 years in Canada. That is because he had a criminal record. He just arrived back in Holland. I heard no much protest against that case.

Canada deports Dutchman who left Netherlands at eight months
Canada deports Dutchman who left Netherlands at eight months - DutchNews.nl

[JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Why is the netherlands letting their country be taken over by these low IQ miscreants?

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

really hate erdogan (but trump loves him) and i hate what fucking game he tries at the moment - it is the same brainwash game as trump plays.

I am not worried over a clash with Turkey. I am quit happy with it.
Finally the talks about Turkey joining the EU are definitely finished.
Not that the EU wanted them, but they always kept talking.
Trying to influece Erdogan and making most Eurpeans angry.
Also visum free travel from Turkey to Europe will be stopped i think.

And if the Turkish get angry, Trump said that Holland is second and not Turkey!



The winner in this whole complot is Erdogan.

[MKA]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Good luck with that plan, didn't work out very well the last 40 years, did it?
I am talking here about the fanatic grey wolve Erdogan fans. Considered as a terrorist organization in Germany. And your plan is to talk? That are the groups that give every Turk a bad name, finnce mosques, drug trafficking, having radical priests and you want to talk for 100 years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_W...(organization)

Hello hypocrite,

I would like to start by saying that i hate Erdogan and would like him to fuck off.

YOU however are a copy of the average hypocrite dumbass living in the Netherlands.
All they do is copy pasting each others messages from facebook thinking they know any facts. Probably also following racist Wilders on twitter and believe everything he is saying.

The true fact is, in Germany the grey wolves are considered as an extremist group (not terrorists) and is only being monitored.

Talking about terrorists, the reason i call you a hypocrite is that your goverment supports real terrorists by the name of PKK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdis...rkers%27_Party) allowing them to train their members in your country (Dutch police raid 'PKK paramilitary camp' | News | Expatica the Netherlands this is a so called raid by the Dutch goverment. All members were released very shortly after this) and also allowing them to demonstrate whenever they want.

You have DUTCH journalists actively supporting the PKK
https://frederikegeerdink.com/
This whore spent 3 months in a PKK camp and is still free as a bird.

If its Germany you want to use as an example, maybe your goverment should follow their recent decision of banning demonstrations where people use flags or propaganda related to the PKK and their terrorist leader abdullah ocalan. (Germany bans more PKK symbols, Ocalan’s picture)

Recent PKK demonstrations in Rotterdam (yes, the city where the recent issues occured)




Video of PKK terrorist propaganda in the middle of Amsterdam with again images of PKK terrorist leader abdullah ocalan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34iY...ature=youtu.be

BTW did i already mentioned that the PKK, responsible for 16.000 civilians being killed, is designated as a terrorist organization by the NATO, US State Department and several other countries? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdis...ror ist_group)

I never ever saw any PKK member in the Netherlands being hunted by police dogs or whatsoever. You are a hypocrite and so is your goverment.

Ok, you can fuck off now.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Putin is behind this

He is behind everything. He is behind brexit. He is behind Trump. He is behind the Kremlin wall. He rules the WORLD. On your knees, peasant!

[lys11]

The conflict started because the minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu was planning to address the people in connection with the referendum, at which the question of expanding the powers of the president of the country, Recep Erdoğan.
In my opinion, in order to speak before compatriots, there is no need to gather crowds in other people's streets. There are media, the Internet, at last. The Dutch do not enjoy the riots that do not concern them.

[thommy]

lot First let me say, that I appreciate this level of discussion much more than calling names on each other

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Good luck with that plan, didn't work out very well the last 40 years, did it?

Well, with turkey we did quite good what might be a result of living with them in our countries and many Europeans went to their countries for holidays. So at least we know a LITTLE BIT more about their culture.

But anyway - the problems in Turkey are damned difficult and hard to understand. At least there are no Turkish terrorists yet but that will change when Erdogan gets what he wants because the separation between religion and the state will have an end and terror will come closer.

The MAJORITY of turks living in Europe is peaceful and most of them are integrated completely. I personally know many of them (even in our industry) what i trust more than any German, because they stand for their word and are multicultural open minded.

I am talking here about the fanatic grey wolve Erdogan fans. Considered as a terrorist organization in Germany. And your plan is to talk? That are the groups that give every Turk a bad name, finnce mosques, drug trafficking, having radical priests and you want to talk for 100 years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_W...(organization)

The gray wolf-problem is as old as immigration in Europe and we had FAR more problems with native radicals from left and right as with them.

I think it is best to sent the criminal radicals who don't want to live in Holland in freedom to Turkey and take their passport. They have double passports anyway. But hey, we can wait another 100 year. Than we don't have 10.000 of radicals but maybe 1 million. Great plan. But what if it fails?

That is not radical, that is what the minister president in Canada also does! He just sent a Dutchman back who live from 8 months old in Canada and lived 58 years in Canada. That is because he had a criminal record. He just arrived back in Holland. I heard no much protest against that case.

Canada deports Dutchman who left Netherlands at eight months
Canada deports Dutchman who left Netherlands at eight months - DutchNews.nl

in the first view that sounds like the only senseful solution but it is a short-term solution because it does not resolve the problem.
This people will possibly go back into their countries but there they will infect others with their hate and they will use religion for it - the strongest weapon they have.

For my understanding, we can´t resolve this problem in a decade because we do not even see it with the full consequences yet. This is similar to the environment problems where we can´t see the full effect today - but our children will.

Furthermore, we have to understand and accept that this problem has it´s roots in foreign interventions in THEIR COUNTRIES - so we are guilty too and can´t blame them alone.

We have to stop that shit to allow the involvement of individual economic interests in global politics.
And last not least in a longterm strategy, we should find a way to take power from religion by educating people with modern knowledge about the origin of the earth and of mankind. Religions are for stupid people who do not have better answers - and that makes it dangerous.
With other words: We have to brainwash them before they brainwash us.

In regards of "sending people home" I might think more radical as you - because I would prefer to lock them in and brainwash them or let them locked in til they die.

We have a lot of examples from German terrorists from the 60s and 70s who "woke up" in prison and are now the most powerful language tubes against violence and terror. In fact left terror (what was one of the biggest problems in Germany in the 60s and 70s) is not existing in Germany anymore. BTW: Tunisia is planning such a solution for the unwanted they HAVE to take back (the last german terror attack was actually caused by Tunisian government because they did not take this wanker back and Germany was not prepared for such a circumstance.

All we can see in the history is, that hate and force are producing more of it - a cycle that can´t be stopped. If we really look for a long term solution we need patience and smart minds. We do not need another radical on our end because that would cause a millenium of growing terror.

Look the americans found Bin Laden and killed him - the americans killed another few hundert leaders of Al Kaida, ISIS, Boku Haram and all the other terror groups - WHAT DID IT CHANGE ? We have MORE terror as we had before and with each one we kill 100 new ones will show up. So this method is already classified "unsmart an noneffective".

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by MKA

Hello hypocrite,

I would like to start by saying that i hate Erdogan and would like him to fuck off.

YOU however are a copy of the average hypocrite dumbass living in the Netherlands.
All they do is copy pasting each others messages from facebook thinking they know any facts. Probably also following racist Wilders on twitter and believe everything he is saying.

The true fact is, in Germany the grey wolves are considered as an extremist group (not terrorists) and is only being monitored.

Talking about terrorists, the reason i call you a hypocrite is that your goverment supports real terrorists by the name of PKK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdis...rkers%27_Party) allowing them to train their members in your country (Dutch police raid 'PKK paramilitary camp' | News | Expatica the Netherlands this is a so called raid by the Dutch goverment. All members were released very shortly after this) and also allowing them to demonstrate whenever they want.

You have DUTCH journalists actively supporting the PKK
https://frederikegeerdink.com/
This whore spent 3 months in a PKK camp and is still free as a bird.

If its Germany you want to use as an example, maybe your goverment should follow their recent decision of banning demonstrations where people use flags or propaganda related to the PKK and their terrorist leader abdullah ocalan. (Germany bans more PKK symbols, Ocalan?s picture)

Recent PKK demonstrations in Rotterdam (yes, the city where the recent issues occured)




Video of PKK terrorist propaganda in the middle of Amsterdam with again images of PKK terrorist leader abdullah ocalan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34iY...ature=youtu.be

BTW did i already mentioned that the PKK, responsible for 16.000 civilians being killed, is designated as a terrorist organization by the NATO, US State Department and several other countries? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdis...ror ist_group)

I never ever saw any PKK member in the Netherlands being hunted by police dogs or whatsoever. You are a hypocrite and so is your goverment.

Ok, you can fuck off now.

Well, that hypocrisy is exactly why Wilders is growing fast, most people don't want that PKK or other Turkish problem neither. I didn't mention it seperatly, but we i want none of those crazy people in Holland. That is the hypocrise of the Dutch politicans, not of me. And that is why most people choose other politicians now.

In some countries they see grey wolves as extremist, other countries see them as terrorist.
Either way, in my opinion they get deported if they hate Holland so much.

The mayor Rotterdam also allowed PKK deomonstrations.
And the mayor Aboutaleb made this quote to the Turkish people in Holland.
"Fuck off, if you don't like living in Holland and reject the freedom we have"
http://nos.nl/artikel/2015225-abouta...et-bevalt.html
http://www.elsevier.nl/politiek/arti...h-op-1678247W/

And in the Turkish law they say it is forbidden to campaign in foreign countries. Erdogan now got the attention he wanted so his believers in foreign countries can vote for his referendum. And Rutte has the attention he wanted looking like a strong leader. (and than turn his head away for for instance the PKK).

And forbid demonstrations, wow that helps. The radicals are preaching in a lot of Mosques that are controlled by radicals under influence of Erdogan, Saoudi Arabie or another one of those groups. And again the government turned a blind eye.

So now it is clear, in my opinion Grey Wolves, Gulen, PKK, Erdogan supporters who's heart is in Turkey or anyone that hate Holland can fuck off with their religious and cultural or historical shit. And why is that so strange? They only bring problems. And after years of politicians that looked the other way people start choosing other politicians. There is a small group of fanatics that spoil it for the good Migrants. Just kick those bad guys out with their problems.

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by thommy

lot First let me say, that I appreciate this level of discussion much more than calling names on each other

Well, with turkey we did quite good what might be a result of living with them in our countries and many Europeans went to their countries for holidays. So at least we know a LITTLE BIT more about their culture.

But anyway - the problems in Turkey are damned difficult and hard to understand. At least there are no Turkish terrorists yet but that will change when Erdogan gets what he wants because the separation between religion and the state will have an end and terror will come closer.

The MAJORITY of turks living in Europe is peaceful and most of them are integrated completely. I personally know many of them (even in our industry) what i trust more than any German, because they stand for their word and are multicultural open minded.

The gray wolf-problem is as old as immigration in Europe and we had FAR more problems with native radicals from left and right as with them.

in the first view that sounds like the only senseful solution but it is a short-term solution because it does not resolve the problem.
This people will possibly go back into their countries but there they will infect others with their hate and they will use religion for it - the strongest weapon they have.

For my understanding, we can´t resolve this problem in a decade because we do not even see it with the full consequences yet. This is similar to the environment problems where we can´t see the full effect today - but our children will.

Furthermore, we have to understand and accept that this problem has it´s roots in foreign interventions in THEIR COUNTRIES - so we are guilty too and can´t blame them alone.

We have to stop that shit to allow the involvement of individual economic interests in global politics.
And last not least in a longterm strategy, we should find a way to take power from religion by educating people with modern knowledge about the origin of the earth and of mankind. Religions are for stupid people who do not have better answers - and that makes it dangerous.
With other words: We have to brainwash them before they brainwash us.

In regards of "sending people home" I might think more radical as you - because I would prefer to lock them in and brainwash them or let them locked in til they die.

We have a lot of examples from German terrorists from the 60s and 70s who "woke up" in prison and are now the most powerful language tubes against violence and terror. In fact left terror (what was one of the biggest problems in Germany in the 60s and 70s) is not existing in Germany anymore. BTW: Tunisia is planning such a solution for the unwanted they HAVE to take back (the last german terror attack was actually caused by Tunisian government because they did not take this wanker back and Germany was not prepared for such a circumstance.

All we can see in the history is, that hate and force are producing more of it - a cycle that can´t be stopped. If we really look for a long term solution we need patience and smart minds. We do not need another radical on our end because that would cause a millenium of growing terror.

Look the americans found Bin Laden and killed him - the americans killed another few hundert leaders of Al Kaida, ISIS, Boku Haram and all the other terror groups - WHAT DID IT CHANGE ? We have MORE terror as we had before and with each one we kill 100 new ones will show up. So this method is already classified "unsmart an noneffective".

I have no quilt feeling with countries that got invaded. That was most of the time #notmypresident i choosed for. The majority of people vote for parties for their views on national level, healthcare, wellfare, social security and don't look further. I never cared if i get 500 or 5000 more or less, i look if they have good plans overall. I voted many times left, middle, right and non-of-the-above.

You know 15 years ago Pim Fortuyn was the big evil white man! He was the new hitler. And now 15 years left and right wing parties said he had it right on many points...

I read about the theory letting the war criminals in and try to make them see things differently. And yes, it worked in history many times. They also let drug traffickers tell their story in classrooms, that also helps (other subject). In Holland there are at least 100 IS or other terrorist that came back. Hard to proof the fought, so if they say they where on holiday they just can come back and get the help they want. Especially left wing politicians choose that solution. But in the end, it doesn't stop, they don't change their mind. If you want people that can change the mind of others, let only the terrorist back that realy regret what they did and want to tell their story. Don't let in the ones that are only coming back to recrute more people and money. Evey week you see a list of hate-imans (that is how they call them here) coming to Holland to spread there poison.

It might work, but i prefer the hard way, just don't let them in. Stop financing of mosques from foreign countries, control the schools. Because everytime there is a muslim school, there is shit. And to be honest, i don't want Islam schools. Just like i don't want jewish schools. That religion must end, seperate eductaion from religion. It only seperates people. The Muslims schools that tried to open one alway had problems; radicals leading it, unclear who financed it, bad quality, fraud, etcetra etcetra, etcetra. Again the blind eye of the government and the feeling we must 'pamper' them. In many schools in Holland teachers don't even mention WWII, anymore when there are muslim people in the class. Afraid of the reactions they get. So how are you going to educate them when you can't even teach them the basics of history?

Clear is that something much change, cause this doesn't work anymore.

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Remove kebab.

[MKA]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

Well, that hypocrisy is exactly why Wilders is growing fast, most people don't want that PKK or other Turkish problem neither. I didn't mention it seperatly, but we i want none of those crazy people in Holland. That is the hypocrise of the Dutch politicans, not of me. And that is why most people choose other politicians now.

In some countries they see grey wolves as extremist, other countries see them as terrorist.
Either way, in my opinion they get deported if they hate Holland so much.

The mayor Rotterdam also allowed PKK deomonstrations.
And the mayor Aboutaleb made this quote to the Turkish people in Holland.
"Fuck off, if you don't like living in Holland and reject the freedom we have"
Aboutaleb herhaalt 'rot op als het je hier niet bevalt' | NOS
Aboutaleb: als het je hier niet bevalt, rot toch op! - Elsevier.nl

And in the Turkish law they say it is forbidden to campaign in foreign countries. Erdogan now got the attention he wanted so his believers in foreign countries can vote for his referendum. And Rutte has the attention he wanted looking like a strong leader. (and than turn his head away for for instance the PKK).

And forbid demonstrations, wow that helps. The radicals are preaching in a lot of Mosques that are controlled by radicals under influence of Erdogan, Saoudi Arabie or another one of those groups. And again the government turned a blind eye.

So now it is clear, in my opinion Grey Wolves, Gulen, PKK, Erdogan supporters who's heart is in Turkey or anyone that hate Holland can fuck off with their religious and cultural or historical shit. And why is that so strange? They only bring problems. And after years of politicians that looked the other way people start choosing other politicians. There is a small group of fanatics that spoil it for the good Migrants. Just kick those bad guys out with their problems.

What a bunch of crap.
What happened to the freedom of speech you wankers always brag about?

Hypocrites like you cause at least the same shit as any of those groups you mentioned, less extreme probably but in my opinion enough to fuck off either.

Not sure where you should fuck off in this case, probably south africa or other countries where the dutch empire was selling slaves.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Putin is behind this, don't forget Turkey's Erdogan is Putin's lapdog who's new dictatorship is propped up by Putin.

Who could imagine a dictator attacking the liberalism of a European nation, same playbook as before.

Be strong Dutch!

Where is Nico-T? He is not go.meeting in this thread and he's in Holland!

Nico-T posts here and says he's Dutch but he's ignoring this very important thread for 2 days and only posting in others. Why?

[Tasty1]

Originally Posted by MKA

What a bunch of crap.
What happened to the freedom of speech you wankers always brag about?

Hypocrites like you cause at least the same shit as any of those groups you mentioned, less extreme probably but in my opinion enough to fuck off either.

Not sure where you should fuck off in this case, probably south africa or other countries where the dutch empire was selling slaves.

Isn't this freedom of speech? I can say what i want.
In Turkey i would be in prison already.

Erdogan has his own NSB groups in Holland, snitching about Turkish people that don't like erdogan. That is some expression we still use in Holland since WWII. NSB = Dutchman who worked for the Nazi's and sold out his own people. We don't want that shit in Holland anymore! Holland is not Turkey.

Nowadays when somebody start mentioning slaves, or comparing with nazi's people see it as an badge of honour. Acording to many (new) politicians that plays the victim roles, left or communist or whatever people that identify themselves as a sort of group all dutch are already called racist by now, left and right. That word has lost its meaning. If you say to a person who is stealing your bike, "stop the thief", they already call you racist.

[Google Expert]

Originally Posted by Sarn

turks protests in Rotterdam

[Bladewire]

Dutch Nico-T posts on here daily about American politics and finally we have a Dutch political thread and he ignored it for days.

Why would some Dutch not want to talk about this topic but happy to talk about American politics??

[nico-t]

bladewire is an obsessed cuck

erdogan is a dictator bringing turkey back to the stone age

doner kebab is very tasty

happy now loser

[Tjeezers]

Whoohooo so much Dutch, so wow Telegraaf .....
Hup Holland fucking Hup, houd je poot stijf!

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by nico-t

doner kebab is very tasty

Indeed, much better than burgers. Shawarma is the right name ;)

[Tasty1]

1 day before the elections in Holland. The first boycot of a Dutch travelagency that won't fly Turkish Airlines anymore. I expect in 1 or 2 days/hours a #BoycotTurkey page.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1

1 day before the elections in Holland. The first boycot of a Dutch travelagency that won't fly Turkish Airlines anymore. I expect in 1 or 2 days/hours a #BoycotTurkey page.

that´s a good idea - and i hope others will follow.
they will not wake up by words but by (economic) hurts and it hurts them already
because millions of european tourists are already missed.
not yet that much but from eastern onwards they will have a HUGE problem.

erdogan is the same disaster for turkey as trump is for US.

[TitanWM]

Originally Posted by thommy

There was also a time when Muslims and Christians lived together in peace. In fact, we learned a lot from them and they shared it without a problem. The real big problems with the Muslim countries started after Britain and the USA interfered there and wanted their oil.

As all these countries are too small to win a war against one of these nations they invented the jihad and collected a worldwide army by using a religious believing.