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MetaMan · 06-28-2015, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

And who wrote these?

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

Aliens?

Stick to what you know, which from what I can tell is coming up with fantasies about picking up girls at the mall in your Guess jeans.

Look stupid, you can't even come up with your own arguments. the best you can do is copy and paste links and not even discuss any meaning in what you posted.

brassmonkey · 06-28-2015, 10:06 AM

masssa pleeeeaaase

MetaMan · 06-28-2015, 10:12 AM

Let me ask this again to people:

You really believe rich and powerful white people started the civil war to protect a bunch of black slaves?

THAT WAS THE TRUE REASON THAT YOU BELIEVE IN?

TCLGirls · 06-28-2015, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Let me ask this again to people:

You really believe rich and powerful white people started the civil war to protect a bunch of black slaves?

THAT WAS THE TRUE REASON THAT YOU BELIEVE IN?

Strawman.

No commentator seriously argues that was the reason....there were possibly numerous reasons...slave owning being one of them.

BlackCrayon · 06-28-2015, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Well I guess this clears everything up and those nine people are now "undeaded" by this thread.

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its pretty stupid to think those people are dead because of a flag, makes no sense.

TCLGirls · 06-28-2015, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

its pretty stupid to think those people are dead because of a flag, makes no sense.

No one seriously thinks that an inanimate object, like a flag, directly killed anyone. That is just a superficial analysis that does not deserve any attention. Rather, people are arguing that the message that the flag represents to many people, fostered an environment that promotes hate towards blacks...and it was that environment that convinced a person to kill blacks.

BlackCrayon · 06-28-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

No one seriously thinks that an inanimate object, like a flag, directly killed anyone. That is just a superficial analysis that does not deserve any attention. Rather, people are arguing that the message that the flag represents to many people, fostered an environment that promotes hate towards blacks...and it was that environment that convinced a person to kill blacks.

taking away inanimate objects will never stop the ideology.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-28-2015, 10:26 AM

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[S]econd and more important, belief in white supremacy provided a rationale for slavery. As the French political theorist Montesquieu observed wryly in 1748: “It is impossible for us to suppose these creatures [enslaved Africans] to be men; because allowing them to be men, a suspicion would follow that we ourselves are not Christians.” Given this belief, most white Southerners — and many Northerners, too — could not envision life in black-majority states such as South Carolina and Mississippi unless blacks were in chains. Georgia Supreme Court Justice Henry Benning, trying to persuade the Virginia Legislature to leave the Union, predicted race war if slavery was not protected. “The consequence will be that our men will be all exterminated or expelled to wander as vagabonds over a hostile earth, and as for our women, their fate will be too horrible to contemplate even in fancy.” Thus, secession would maintain not only slavery but the prevailing ideology of white supremacy as well. ...

...5. The South couldn’t have made it long as a slave society.
Slavery was hardly on its last legs in 1860. That year, the South produced almost 75 percent of all U.S. exports. Slaves were worth more than all the manufacturing companies and railroads in the nation. No elite class in history has ever given up such an immense interest voluntarily. Moreover, Confederates eyed territorial expansion into Mexico and Cuba. Short of war, who would have stopped them — or forced them to abandon slavery?

To claim that slavery would have ended of its own accord by the mid-20th century is impossible to disprove but difficult to accept. In 1860, slavery was growing more entrenched in the South. Unpaid labor makes for big profits, and the Southern elite was growing ever richer. Freeing slaves was becoming more and more difficult for their owners, as was the position of free blacks in the United States, North as well as South. For the foreseeable future, slavery looked secure. Perhaps a civil war was required to end it ....

Five myths about why the South seceded - The Washington Post

Interesting, the states rights to allow by law its landholding rich class to own other men's labors in servitude.

The Germans do not hold the Nazi flag as part of their glory the Japanese do not fly the rising sun battle flag of Japan. But for some reason in the USA the battle flag of the losers is admired by some ...

Some heritage ...

TCLGirls · 06-28-2015, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

taking away inanimate objects will never stop the ideology.

No one is saying that taking away the confederate battle flag will stop the ideology of hate. What people are saying is that the government should not be flying the flag. Those are two different issues.

MetaMan · 06-28-2015, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

No commentator seriously argues that was the reason....there were possibly numerous reasons...slave owning being one of them.[/COLOR][/B]

"possibly numerous reasons" how could there "possibly" be. You stopped short of saying there WERE numerous reasons.

How about rich and powerful white men wanting to keep control over a very rich and productive area through taxes. Wanting to enrich themselves. Hmmm no that wouldn't make much sense.

Instead it must be a group of rich and powerful white men (most likely extreme racists in the day) wanting to free a bunch of blacks. Ya ya that must be it...

Some of you people are hilarious. You create some fairy tale world in your brain and have 0 capability of seeing through smoke screens.

TCLGirls · 06-28-2015, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

"possibly numerous reasons" how could there "possibly" be. You stopped short of saying there WERE numerous reasons.

How about rich and powerful white men wanting to keep control over a very rich and productive area through taxes. Wanting to enrich themselves. Hmmm no that wouldn't make much sense.

Instead it must be a group of rich and powerful white men (most likely extreme racists in the day) wanting to free a bunch of blacks. Ya ya that must be it...

Some of you people are hilarious. You create some fairy tale world in your brain and have 0 capability of seeing through smoke screens.

I said "possibly", because I am not interested in detailed discussion on all the different reasons for the Civil War. Sure, there may have been many Southerners who fought the war simply because of "States Rights" and were never interested in owning slaves even if they could afford it. There could be other reasons too. That does not take awy from the fatc that slave ownership was a major reason for the civil war.

dyna mo · 06-28-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Let me ask this again to people:

You really believe rich and powerful white people started the civil war to protect a bunch of black slaves?

THAT WAS THE TRUE REASON THAT YOU BELIEVE IN?

serious response:

no, i don't believe that was the reason. because that wasn't the reason. it wasn't to morally protect black slaves. it was to protect the economic and political systems of slavery.

and sure, there were secondary and tertiary reasons, militias, states rights, etc. but those also hinge around protecting the entrenched system.

MetaMan · 06-28-2015, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

no, i don't believe that was the reason. because that wasn't the reason. it wasn't to morally protect black slaves. it was to protect the economic and political systems of slavery.

Lets take your point a step further. To me it was basically economic terrorism against the south knowing full well the necessity of slaves to keep the farms churning which was the majority of their economy.

Cut off slavery, cut off huge parts of the economy, cut off their wealth and power. Thus making it easier to control them and bring them under the Unions umbrella.

Telling the population "we want to go to war to stop other Americans earning potential so we can control them" doesn't have as nice a ring as "liberty and freedom for all".

It is not about the slaves it was and IS always about CONTROL. Especially ECONOMIC CONTROL.

blackmonsters · 06-28-2015, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

its pretty stupid to think those people are dead because of a flag, makes no sense.

Tell the Jews they are pretty fucking stupid to care about a swastika that never killed them.

I bet you don't dare.

I bet you're scared shitless of Jews, you wouldn't flag a Nazi flag out of pure fear.

TCLGirls · 06-28-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

It is not about the slaves it was and IS always about CONTROL. Especially ECONOMIC CONTROL.

That's like saying auto mechanics don't repair engines...they repair cars.

dyna mo · 06-28-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Lets take your point a step further. To me it was basically economic terrorism against the south knowing full well the necessity of slaves to keep the farms churning which was the majority of their economy.

Cut off slavery, cut off huge parts of the economy, cut off their wealth and power. Thus making it easier to control them and bring them under the Unions umbrella.

Telling the population "we want to go to war to stop other Americans earning potential so we can control them" doesn't have as nice a ring as "liberty and freedom for all".

It is not about the slaves it was and IS always about CONTROL. Especially ECONOMIC CONTROL.

i don't disagree with the premise, except history shows this happened the other way around. the SOuth seceded on account of Lincoln's government, which didn't acknowledge the seccession, thus, the South then started the war.

here's the thing, this is the most complicated and controversial period in American history, this debate still lingers and i get that, historians have often times clouded the issue due to its' emotional impact and people identifying with their own groups.

I'm not trying to claim i'm right and you are wrong, but i had to clear up the personal slur that educated people would never think that slavery was the cause of the Civil War.

pornguy · 06-28-2015, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Lincoln "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so."

Lincoln "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery."

Something people are missing about that flag. I do 100% understand that it caries a lot of Negative thoughts and feelings with it because historically people have said the flag and the separation were for Slavery.

And yes that was one of the points of the break of the union but it was also for the idea of freedom and Autonomy from the Feds to have the RIGHT to have slaves and have the RIGHT to have state laws that either made it Legal or not.

epitome · 06-28-2015, 12:16 PM

I always think it's funny since they lost the war on slavery.

Shouldn't they be worshipping the white surrender flag?

brassmonkey · 06-28-2015, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

I always think it's funny since they lost the war on slavery.

Shouldn't they be worshipping the white surrender flag?

they cut them up and made halloween costumes!!

hotlinked

TCLGirls · 06-28-2015, 01:02 PM

It's actually misleading to claim the confederate battle flag simply represents "Southern culture"..or "Southern pride". Why? Because there are lots of Southern blacks, and I rarely, if ever, see them flying that flag. Those blacks are very much a part of "Southern culture"...so then if the flag represented such culture, those blacks would fly it as well. Sure, there might be some instances were a black may have flown/displayed that flag...but for the most part, they do not.

brassmonkey · 06-28-2015, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

It's actually misleading to claim the confederate battle flag simply represents "Southern culture"..or "Southern pride". Why? Because there are lots of Southern blacks, and I rarely, if ever, see them flying that flag. Those blacks are very much a part of "Southern culture"...so then if the flag represented such culture, those blacks would fly it as well. Sure, there might be some instances were a black may have flown/displayed that flag...but for the most part, they do not.

lock · 07-03-2015, 11:59 PM

If it was a minority group you could easily reclaim the flag but....But a country with a culture is going to allow it.

nico-t · 07-04-2015, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Well I guess this clears everything up and those nine people are now "undeaded" by this thread.

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...because it was a flag that killed them.

adultnightlife · 07-04-2015, 11:56 AM

What the fuck, why for F sake is this thread on GFY??? and why didn´t any moderator delete this shit and dum dum so dum pics from this forum, you all have to be a shame of yourself being such dum, not educated and ignorant people, get a life!

Grapesoda · 07-04-2015, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Let me ask this again to people:

You really believe rich and powerful white people started the civil war to protect a bunch of black slaves?

THAT WAS THE TRUE REASON THAT YOU BELIEVE IN?

yes those are the same people that believe Iraq war was about weapons of mass destruction

Grapesoda · 07-04-2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

It's actually misleading to claim the confederate battle flag simply represents "Southern culture"..or "Southern pride". Why? Because there are lots of Southern blacks, and I rarely, if ever, see them flying that flag. Those blacks are very much a part of "Southern culture"...so then if the flag represented such culture, those blacks would fly it as well. Sure, there might be some instances were a black may have flown/displayed that flag...but for the most part, they do not.

I'm not so sure about that one... it's an interesting argument however I'm sure the blacks don't identify as 'southern' or of being a part of 'southern culture' ....

I would say that the St Andrews cross is more a representation or statement of agrarian vrs industrial societies if anything....

and if you listen to country music, southern culture is defined by family, god and service to country as well as being a good ole boy or in general, a fuck head drunk, which goes back to Celtic culture....

Grapesoda · 07-04-2015, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

they cut them up and made halloween costumes!!

hotlinked

Grapesoda · 07-04-2015, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls

That's like saying auto mechanics don't repair engines...they repair cars.

if you actually believe the civil was about slaves then obviously you believe the Iraq war was about weapons of mass destruction...

or were you thinking the Sothern states were going to write 'the northern industrials paid off the Yankee politicians to take our money and use it for expansion in the west, so we quit fuck you....?

at some point you need to buy a vowel homy

baddog · 07-04-2015, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

."Erased it because I'm a bitch ass coward"

WTF? I post something against the flag and you still attack me?

Fucking cocksucker

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You have lived in the south long enough to understand the mindset

baddog · 07-04-2015, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

That would require attending school and paying attention to their history classes; we both know that never happened

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TCLGirls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Posts: 3,068	It's actually misleading to claim the confederate battle flag simply represents "Southern culture"..or "Southern pride". Why? Because there are lots of Southern blacks, and I rarely, if ever, see them flying that flag. Those blacks are very much a part of "Southern culture"...so then if the flag represented such culture, those blacks would fly it as well. Sure, there might be some instances were a black may have flown/displayed that flag...but for the most part, they do not.