Trump kicked globalist asses today.

[Martin]

Yeah they found his opening line amusing about him being the best fucking prez ever, but not much laughing after that when he pretty much said America isnt for this commie global goverment bullshit they want. Top notch speech.

Btw, our PM in Canada here didnt even make a peep about anything of any importance. Nobody even showed up to hear him.

[Helix]

Originally Posted by Martin

Yeah they found his opening line amusing about him being the best fucking prez ever, but not much laughing after that when he pretty much said America isnt for this commie global goverment bullshit they want. Top notch speech.

Btw, our PM in Canada here didnt even make a peep about anything of any importance. Nobody even showed up to hear him.

Yep. Trump laughed off the intro but got down to business and they all shut up and realized he was speaking the truth. Trump did great today imo and you could tell he got everyone thinking. I hope he is giving them enough juice so other countries can feel they can step up too and reject globalism.

[OneHungLo]

[dyna mo]

Trump yapping about patriotism! he's no patriot of America. Russia maybe.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

Trump yapping about patriotism! he's no patriot of America. Russia maybe.

Fuck off. He's no friend to Russia.. Give me a break.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by Helix

Yep. Trump laughed off the intro but got down to business and they all shut up and realized he was speaking the truth. Trump did great today imo and you could tell he got everyone thinking. I hope he is giving them enough juice so other countries can feel they can step up too and reject globalism.

Its already happening. Dont listen to the Pro Pinko Commie Media..

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Martin

Fuck off. He's no friend to Russia.. Give me a break.

you're canadian. I'm not shocked you're a nitwit and have no clue that trump ran his campaign and runs his admin on being friends with russia. but here you are sucking trump dick.

[SecondFloor]

We live in the era of instant global communication. Technology has already globalized the world - whether any government wills it or not. There are two responses to this: cooperate with other nations for the benefit of everyone, or be left on the sidelines as the rest of the world advances together.

When trump needlessly instigates trade wars, pulls out of international deals, and antagonizes America's allies, he's not putting America first. On a planet with limited - and dwindling - natural resources, the fate of nations is inextricably linked. Denying globalism is denying reality.

[$5 submissions]

Who can argue against the US' respecting other countries' sovereignty?

Definitely a break from the typical "swing a dick in your face" jingoistic bullshit from GW Bush or "become our moral colonies overseas" Obama passive aggressive bullshit.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

We live in the era of instant global communication. Technology has already globalized the world - whether any government wills it or not. There are two responses to this: cooperate with other nations for the benefit of everyone, or be left on the sidelines as the rest of the world advances together.

When trump needlessly instigates trade wars, pulls out of international deals, and antagonizes America's allies, he's not putting America first. On a planet with limited - and dwindling - natural resources, the fate of nations is inextricably linked. Denying globalism is denying reality.

Let do business, sign over to me all of your licensed content. You can keep selling it. In return, I'll create a lot of cheap websites loaded with your content and sell it to your customers cheaper. Deal?

[pimpmaster9000]

He makes his shit in china but speaks against globalisation ahahaha

Paul markhaming irl

[SecondFloor]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Let do business, sign over to me all of your licensed content. You can keep selling it. In return, I'll create a lot of cheap websites loaded with your content and sell it to your customers cheaper. Deal?

I assume what you're referring to here is China's unfair trade practices - forced tech transfer and IP theft. I totally agree that China is a bad actor in the international economy. But the correct response to this is not to throw down tariffs (the cost of which is passed on to the American consumer), it's to work together WITH the international community to denounce China's unfair practices.

Like it or not, its a reality that the U.S. doesn't have the economic clout to bully China. China is expanding their trade network across all Asia and Africa - soon they will have plenty of markets to sell to outside of the U.S. But if a multilateral coalition of nations put up a unified front in the face of unfair Chinese trade (and plenty are willing) then it might actually put enough economic pressure on Beijing to change its strategy.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

I assume what you're referring to here is China's unfair trade practices - forced tech transfer and IP theft. I totally agree that China is a bad actor in the international economy. But the correct response to this is not to throw down tariffs (the cost of which is passed on to the American consumer), it's to work together WITH the international community to denounce China's unfair practices.

Like it or not, its a reality that the U.S. doesn't have the economic clout to bully China. China is expanding their trade network across all Asia and Africa - soon they will have plenty of markets to sell to outside of the U.S. But if a multilateral coalition of nations put up a unified front in the face of unfair Chinese trade (and plenty are willing) then it might actually put enough economic pressure on Beijing to change its strategy.

That particular example yes.. But that's just one.. MANY counties enjoy duty free selling here in the US yet tax our exports to them.. Our cost of living is higher so the only way for our companies to make a profit is to also export the labor as well. How much of that can one country take? Trump wants EQUAL/FAIR trade.. That's it.. It's a FAIR ask.. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.... The REAL problem is these countries have become so accustom to having those tax/tariff dollars they don't know how to replace them.. It's not that they don't think it's fair.. They (the governments) just don't want to give up the money/revenue... So the only way to force them to do so is to hit them right back with the same. All of these US based multi-national corporations obviously don't like it because they've exported all of their labor and importing all their goods....

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

I assume what you're referring to here is China's unfair trade practices - forced tech transfer and IP theft. I totally agree that China is a bad actor in the international economy. But the correct response to this is not to throw down tariffs (the cost of which is passed on to the American consumer), it's to work together WITH the international community to denounce China's unfair practices.

Like it or not, its a reality that the U.S. doesn't have the economic clout to bully China. China is expanding their trade network across all Asia and Africa - soon they will have plenty of markets to sell to outside of the U.S. But if a multilateral coalition of nations put up a unified front in the face of unfair Chinese trade (and plenty are willing) then it might actually put enough economic pressure on Beijing to change its strategy.

It was called TPP ;)

But that would of been disastrous for Russia, a group of countries that combined could enable meaningful and truly harmful sanctions, no way Putin could have that, so he released his trolls and bots on middle America, giving Trump a leg up on the way.

Scrapping TPP was Trumps first treasonous act as useful idiot, day one of his presidency

year later he's already bailing farmers out on tax payer funds

[SecondFloor]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

MANY counties enjoy duty free selling here in the US yet tax our exports to them.. Our cost of living is higher so the only way for our companies to make a profit is to also export the labor as well.

The reason why U.S. companies export labor overseas isn't unequal tariffs. Even if tariffs didn't exist at all it would be monumentally cheaper to export labor anyways, because wealthy nations like the U.S. have more skilled laborers that fuel a SERVICE economy rather than a GOODS economy.

Even if Trumps protectionists policies worked and we got manufacturing jobs back in the U.S., why the hell would we WANT those jobs? Do we want America's youth to be working in sweatshop factories making consumer products? No - we probably would prefer they have high-paying service industry jobs.

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Trump wants EQUAL/FAIR trade.. That's it.. It's a FAIR ask.. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.... The REAL problem is these countries have become so accustom to having those tax/tariff dollars they don't know how to replace them.. It's not that they don't think it's fair.. They (the governments) just don't want to give up the money/revenue...

Right now the U.S. economy is about 80% service and 20% physical goods. For other countries its inverted - they get 80% of their GDP from physical products that they sell to us and others. The U.S. wants those things real bad, because like i mentioned before, Americans would prefer to not work in sweatshops even on U.S. soil. Luckily the U.S. has become rich from its service economy, and it has the money to import physical goods. This supply and demand creates leverage, and for the most part richer countries are happy to pay import tariffs so they don't have to build shitty plastic toys every day. If every country had exactly the same economy, then Trump policies would probably be correct - but they don't at all.

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

It was called TPP ;)

- This and everything else you said was correct, friendo.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by Martin

Yeah they found his opening line amusing about him being the best fucking prez ever, but not much laughing after that when he pretty much said America isnt for this commie global goverment bullshit they want. Top notch speech.

Btw, our PM in Canada here didnt even make a peep about anything of any importance. Nobody even showed up to hear him.

Another fool who does not understand globalisation and basic economics.

Just like your hero the Orange Baboon.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

That particular example yes.. But that's just one.. MANY counties enjoy duty free selling here in the US yet tax our exports to them..

And you have swallowed this bullshit hook line and sinker.

America gets a bad deal blah blah, everyone is ripping us off because of Obama blah blah.

The great businessman, the great negotiator will put those nasty foreigners in their place with his super tough negotiating.

Fucking MAGA.

Its fucking horseshit.

The standard of living enjoyed by the US is 100% dependent on globalisation and international trade.

Grow up you fucking imbecile.

[beerptrol]

Kicked ass? More like laughed at!!!

Only brain washed cultist would think that their head clown kicked ass while everyone else was laughing at the buffoon

[DraX]

Trump did what was expected. George Soros wont be sleeping well tonight without hardcore sleeping aid.

I also like how some "fools" include globalization AND international trade together.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you're canadian. I'm not shocked you're a nitwit and have no clue that trump ran his campaign and runs his admin on being friends with russia. but here you are sucking trump dick.

Sure thing dick head. The whole Russia thing is horse shit cooked up by Clintons camp to distract from all her crimes. Its dead in the water. What has Trump done for Russia since he's been in office other than shit all over them? Unlike like Obama who would let Russia do what ever they wanted.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

Kicked ass? More like laughed at!!!

Only brain washed cultist would think that their head clown kicked ass while everyone else was laughing at the buffoon

I laughed at his first statement too. It was kinda funny.

Back to your soyboy weekly gathering.

[Martin]

#Trump2020 #MAGA

[beerptrol]

This is what happens when Chump cuts funding to the special ed school. They end up posting here praising Chump

Chump is funded by republican globalist and Putin

[directfiesta]

MCGA ..... !!!!!!

[Martin]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

This is what happens when Chump cuts funding to the special ed school. They end up posting here praising Chump

Chump is funded by republican globalist and Putin

You're just repeating bullshit you hear on Clinton News Network.. Run along. You're late for your star bucks racial bias training course.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

It was called TPP ;)

But that would of been disastrous for Russia, a group of countries that combined could enable meaningful and truly harmful sanctions, no way Putin could have that, so he released his trolls and bots on middle America, giving Trump a leg up on the way.

Scrapping TPP was Trumps first treasonous act as useful idiot, day one of his presidency

year later he's already bailing farmers out on tax payer funds

TPP did nothing for the US.. It's sole US gain was multi-national corporations investing in underdeveloped countries.. That's it.. Nothing for the American worker.

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

The reason why U.S. companies export labor overseas isn't unequal tariffs. Even if tariffs didn't exist at all it would be monumentally cheaper to export labor anyways, because wealthy nations like the U.S. have more skilled laborers that fuel a SERVICE economy rather than a GOODS economy.

Even if Trumps protectionists policies worked and we got manufacturing jobs back in the U.S., why the hell would we WANT those jobs? Do we want America's youth to be working in sweatshop factories making consumer products? No - we probably would prefer they have high-paying service industry jobs.



Right now the U.S. economy is about 80% service and 20% physical goods. For other countries its inverted - they get 80% of their GDP from physical products that they sell to us and others. The U.S. wants those things real bad, because like i mentioned before, Americans would prefer to not work in sweatshops even on U.S. soil. Luckily the U.S. has become rich from its service economy, and it has the money to import physical goods. This supply and demand creates leverage, and for the most part richer countries are happy to pay import tariffs so they don't have to build shitty plastic toys every day. If every country had exactly the same economy, then Trump policies would probably be correct - but they don't at all.


- This and everything else you said was correct, friendo.

Ah yes, service industry.. Everyone in the US wants to be a bell hop

"Those jobs aren't coming back" Obama

He was correct if we followed his plan of destroying the US economy. "Service economy" what a load of fucking shit... The large corps are outsourcing even those jobs to India etc... Can you say "customer service?"

If what Trump is doing is so bad then why hasn't Wall St responded?
How is China's market doing?

Why are those with "service industry" degrees twiddling their thumbs while "skilled labor" workers are in shortage?

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

TPP did nothing for the US.. It's sole US gain was multi-national corporations investing in underdeveloped countries.. That's it.. Nothing for the American worker.?

Nothing would be better than the American workers being charged hidden tariff taxes on everything they purchase, and you the tax payer having to bail out your farmers. All while your Government is borrowing more money from.. China

Numerous new business opportunity's would of arisen with free trade agreements, was just upto American business to take advantage of them.

It would of slowed the growth of China without pissing off.. the Chinese, and that's the big one because if the Chinese consumer turns against you, your country is totally fucked as they are the only major growing market.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...u-s-china-spat

SoyBeans are a classic example, even if tariffs are removed.. that business is never coming back to America like it was before, all tariffs achieved was to force China to seek out new sources and enter in new LONG term deals.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

TPP did nothing for the US.. It's sole US gain was multi-national corporations investing in underdeveloped countries.. That's it.. Nothing for the American worker.






Ah yes, service industry.. Everyone in the US wants to be a bell hop

"Those jobs aren't coming back" Obama

He was correct if we followed his plan of destroying the US economy. "Service economy" what a load of fucking shit... The large corps are outsourcing even those jobs to India etc... Can you say "customer service?"

If what Trump is doing is so bad then why hasn't Wall St responded?
How is China's market doing?

Why are those with "service industry" degrees twiddling their thumbs while "skilled labor" workers are in shortage?

My only question is if you pay taxes on the Rubles you get, otherwise the only contribution I see you making to the economy is transferring money from Medicaid to the mental health sector.

[onwebcam]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

because if the Chinese consumer turns against you, your country is totally fucked as they are the only major growing market.

Originally Posted by RedFred

My only question is if you pay taxes on the Rubles you get, otherwise the only contribution I see you making to the economy is transferring money from Medicaid to the mental health sector.

You are aware China and Russia are basically holding each others dicks right now right?

[SecondFloor]

Originally Posted by onwebcam

TPP did nothing for the US.. It's sole US gain was multi-national corporations investing in underdeveloped countries.. That's it.. Nothing for the American worker.

The gain for the American worker was pressure on China to end its unfair trade practices, which, as you said earlier, are a real concern to U.S. workers.

Originally Posted by onwebcam

Ah yes, service industry.. Everyone in the US wants to be a bell hop

Bell hops are part of the service industry, thats true, and I would rather be a bell hop or a waiter than work grueling hours on an assembly line choking on pollutants. But more critically, the service economy includes the jobs that almost all Americans aspire to have - jobs which require specialized knowledge and skill - Business consultant, computer programmer, engineer

Originally Posted by onwebcam

"Those jobs aren't coming back" Obama

He was correct if we followed his plan of destroying the US economy. "Service economy" what a load of fucking shit... The large corps are outsourcing even those jobs to India etc... Can you say "customer service?"

Obama was correct - those jobs are never coming back, and they shouldn't. What kid growing up in America wants to be a steel worker or coal miner? What parent wants that for their child over the economic security and physical safety of other occupations?

And yes, sometimes service jobs (like customer service) get outsourced. While this is a more menial job in the U.S., its a more specialized job in India, as it requires foreign language skills. The correct response is not to compete with India for the technical support market, its to boost education so that Americans have better options at home while still competing in the global economy.

Originally Posted by onwebcam

If what Trump is doing is so bad then why hasn't Wall St responded?
How is China's market doing?

The market is responding positively because of things other than trade - the GOP tax cut and the slashing of business regulations. This doesn't mean the tax cut is good, as economists have noted that corporations have taken the money and used it to buy their own stock - artificially inflating the value of their companies. I can't post a source (post count to low) but a quick google search of "stock buyback 2018" will get you a ton of legitimate sources.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Martin

Yeah they found his opening line amusing about him being the best fucking prez ever, but not much laughing after that when he pretty much said America isnt for this commie global goverment bullshit they want. Top notch speech.

Btw, our PM in Canada here didnt even make a peep about anything of any importance. Nobody even showed up to hear him.

Globalist = alt White's code for "Jews"..

No one but white nationalists uses the term..

Of course what else do we expect out of another fake nick...

[thommy]

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

We live in the era of instant global communication. Technology has already globalized the world - whether any government wills it or not. There are two responses to this: cooperate with other nations for the benefit of everyone, or be left on the sidelines as the rest of the world advances together.

When trump needlessly instigates trade wars, pulls out of international deals, and antagonizes America's allies, he's not putting America first. On a planet with limited - and dwindling - natural resources, the fate of nations is inextricably linked. Denying globalism is denying reality.

just:

[thommy]

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

The gain for the American worker was pressure on China to end its unfair trade practices, which, as you said earlier, are a real concern to U.S. workers.



Bell hops are part of the service industry, thats true, and I would rather be a bell hop or a waiter than work grueling hours on an assembly line choking on pollutants. But more critically, the service economy includes the jobs that almost all Americans aspire to have - jobs which require specialized knowledge and skill - Business consultant, computer programmer, engineer



Obama was correct - those jobs are never coming back, and they shouldn't. What kid growing up in America wants to be a steel worker or coal miner? What parent wants that for their child over the economic security and physical safety of other occupations?

And yes, sometimes service jobs (like customer service) get outsourced. While this is a more menial job in the U.S., its a more specialized job in India, as it requires foreign language skills. The correct response is not to compete with India for the technical support market, its to boost education so that Americans have better options at home while still competing in the global economy.



The market is responding positively because of things other than trade - the GOP tax cut and the slashing of business regulations. This doesn't mean the tax cut is good, as economists have noted that corporations have taken the money and used it to buy their own stock - artificially inflating the value of their companies. I can't post a source (post count to low) but a quick google search of "stock buyback 2018" will get you a ton of legitimate sources.

the problem in your lines is that they do not reach their brains (or whatever is in these heads)

they understand world economy with what they have in their wallet and whatever it is it is not enough as long as others doing better.

I wish someone could really UNDERSTAND THIS ONE

but is really not very funny to discuss such things with people who left school with 18 on 3rd grade.
you may have the arguments but you don´t have the medicine to repair low IQs.

[SecondFloor]

Originally Posted by thommy

I wish someone could really UNDERSTAND THIS ONE

cheers, friend

This is a great article that highlights the scary truth of the U.S. economy - the market is propped up by stock buybacks, and the crazy growth of a handful of tech companies (Amazon, Apple, etc...). On the surface, the numbers look good, but its not real growth, and it doesn't reflect the financial well-being of the average American.

Originally Posted by thommy

the problem in your lines is that they do not reach their brains (or whatever is in these heads)

they understand world economy with what they have in their wallet and whatever it is it is not enough as long as others doing better.

I see what you're saying, and I get frustrated when I see my fellow citizens repeating Trump's lies and miss-information. But I try to remember that we are on the same side - We want a better future for our country.

If I respond to Trump supporters by calling them idiots, it doesn't help anyone. I will convince nobody that way. So i try to respond with verifiable facts. And I truly don't think Trump supporters are idiots - I think they've been conned. I have to believe they can be convinced. If not, our democracy is dead.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

cheers, friend

This is a great article that highlights the scary truth of the U.S. economy - the market is propped up by stock buybacks, and the crazy growth of a handful of tech companies (Amazon, Apple, etc...). On the surface, the numbers look good, but its not real growth, and it doesn't reflect the financial well-being of the average American.



I see what you're saying, and I get frustrated when I see my fellow citizens repeating Trump's lies and miss-information. But I try to remember that we are on the same side - We want a better future for our country.

but YOU understand that this future depends also on the rest of the world.
YOU would probaly not overread that china is also one of your biggest buyers.

If I respond to Trump supporters by calling them idiots, it doesn't help anyone. I will convince nobody that way. So i try to respond with verifiable facts. And I truly don't think Trump supporters are idiots - I think they've been conned. I have to believe they can be convinced. If not, our democracy is dead.

well - maybe you misinterpret that.
When I talk HERE about trump supporter I talk from this guys who will not listen to ANY argument. guys who tell me that USA is not a demoracy or guys who do not understand the rules of economy or simply can not count 1+1.
NO argument in the world will change their mind and even Trump knows that when he said he can shot a child on the street and his supporters will not run away.

these people ARE idiots in my eyes - but not harmless idiots - they are dangerous same the idiots who believed in the 3rd reich.

i have studied the history of the 3rd empire intensively and therefore see how things repeat themselves here - and that frightens me.

I HAVE studied market economy and a master's degree in it and therefore I can better assess the economy. I don't expect every parking attendant to have the same knowledge, but it frightens me that these parking attendants simply ignore scientific facts from professionals.

In fact under my best personal friends are people who voted for trump and they are still my friends because I am able to discuss that topic with them in a human and regular way.

There is nothing worse in that world than facts deniers - arguments are useless. they wand to force us to jump from roof of a skyscraper with them because the believe that this will end well. how do you call such people? In my world, such individuals are protected from themselves in madhouses.

a discussion with such people will not even let you get to the real problems (what are much older and bigger than trump because they have their roots in a system what is based on the interpretation of a book that is nearly as old as the bible).

maybe the germans here can see that better as all you guys can because we did not learn national pride. YOU AMERICANS have teached us that national pride leads to something evil. and you know what? I say THANK YOU to those americans who took the burden from us and teached us to think like individuals and not as an army what have to follow and love the flag.

do you know that i can piss on the german flag in the middle of a german city and i get fined for littering ?

do you know that we also have a constitution and parts of that are MUCH older than the american. but this is not a bible for us. and we change it also from time to time.

if we could get along with the basics and everybody could understand why trump is just a name what will be one day connected to the next SUPERHUGE worldwide financial crisis, we could really discuss about the roots of the problems and trump is not such a root he is a product of them.

he is just an old senile guy with knowledge from nothing and no will to learn. today he will say the opposite from yesterday and what he says tomorrow we will see.

he is simply the gardener in a garden in which too much weed already grows and because he can't tell the difference (as well as his followers) he waters the weed. in HIS world it makes no difference because he will not experience the full extent of his actions, in OUR world (which consists of only 3.7% Americans) it is unfortunately not so.

you guys brought us to the moon, you guys will bring us to mars, you guys are well known for realizing so many beautiful things on this planet and you guys lived from that not bad in compare to 96,3% of the rest population.
THIS is the america I would like to have back. people who can teach us and learn from us (what you actually did anyway).

i love the crazy, hospitable and respectful americans (and everyone i've ever met OUTSIDE the usa ARE respectful) - i love the ability to remove the word IMPOSSIBLE from the vocabulary. i love the america that i knew as a child and that for a long time was also the america i liked to look up to.
i don't hate america ! i just see that america increasingly lives in a reality that doesn't exist. and the reasons for THAT should be discussed because THERE are the solutions.

the discussion here is about the same as when i show someone a red traffic light and say "i'll explain to you why you should stop now" and he answers "but the traffic light is green" (even if it is red for everyone to see).
you will NEVER NEVER NEVER get to the point that it is actually about because your opposite is a reality denier.

[SecondFloor]

Originally Posted by thommy

well - maybe you misinterpret that.
When I talk HERE about trump supporter I talk from this guys who will not listen to ANY argument. guys who tell me that USA is not a demoracy or guys who do not understand the rules of economy or simply can not count 1+1.
NO argument in the world will change their mind and even Trump knows that when he said he can shot a child on the street and his supporters will not run away.

these people ARE idiots in my eyes - but not harmless idiots - they are dangerous same the idiots who believed in the 3rd reich.

I think you're right, friend. I like to believe the best of people, but if Trump supporters aren't convinced by now, after all that has happened, then you're right - it probably doesn't matter what I say.

Originally Posted by thommy

i have studied the history of the 3rd empire intensively and therefore see how things repeat themselves here - and that frightens me.

I HAVE studied market economy and a master's degree in it and therefore I can better assess the economy. I don't expect every parking attendant to have the same knowledge, but it frightens me that these parking attendants simply ignore scientific facts from professionals.

This really frightens me also. I understand and respect that someone with an education like yours will be more knowledgeable - and It's great! People can learn and benefit from your knowledge. But you're right that they need to be willing to hear it.

This is especially scary with respect to climate change. There are so many in America who "don't believe" in climate change. But on what basis? They aren't scientists. The scientific facts don't require belief.

Originally Posted by thommy

maybe the germans here can see that better as all you guys can because we did not learn national pride. YOU AMERICANS have teached us that national pride leads to something evil. and you know what? I say THANK YOU to those americans who took the burden from us and teached us to think like individuals and not as an army what have to follow and love the flag.

I'm not extremely experienced with Germany, but I did live in Berlin for a month, and I remember thinking that the Germans were very aware of the lessons of history and the importance of global cooperation.

Originally Posted by thommy

if we could get along with the basics and everybody could understand why trump is just a name what will be one day connected to the next SUPERHUGE worldwide financial crisis, we could really discuss about the roots of the problems and trump is not such a root he is a product of them.

It scares me to hear you say this, especially with your economics background, but I read articles every day warning that this crisis is coming - Brexit, the China Trade Wars, and the collapse of the economies of other nations (Turkey, Iran, South Africa, Argentina), are all factors I read about in these articles. Maybe you have more insight - it does seem like we're nearing a terrible time.

Originally Posted by thommy

the discussion here is about the same as when i show someone a red traffic light and say "i'll explain to you why you should stop now" and he answers "but the traffic light is green" (even if it is red for everyone to see).
you will NEVER NEVER NEVER get to the point that it is actually about because your opposite is a reality denier.

What a difficult problem. How do you engage with someone who doesn't agree what is real as a starting point for discussion? Or someone who doesn't want to discuss? Thanks for your opinion.

[Martin]

I love how my anti Trumper troll thread turned into a very reasonable debate lol.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by crockett

Globalist = alt White's code for "Jews"..

No one but white nationalists uses the term..

Of course what else do we expect out of another fake nick...

Yes everybody that uses the term "Globalist" is a Nazi. Lefty derangement right there. Just like the OK hand sign..

You're a dumb fuck.. Lmao.

[King Mark]

I agree, Trump did his thing verbally. Kudos. Let's see if he practices what he preaches or fumbles as usual.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Dead Eye

I agree, Trump did his thing verbally. Kudos. Let's see if he practices what he preaches or fumbles as usual.

you subscribe to the doctrine of patriotism and 100% reject the ideology of globalism?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

What a difficult problem. How do you engage with someone who doesn't agree what is real as a starting point for discussion? Or someone who doesn't want to discuss? Thanks for your opinion.

I really apreciate that you do not see my points as hater-stuff.
I don´t want to make anyone responsable for a mistake and hate him for that - I just want to show him WHERE he is wrong and WHY.

I am not Nostradamus and can predict the future of the world but I see a lot of things they are more logic than logic and if one deny that he earns the "idiot mark".

the climate change you mentioned is one of the really great examples.

the NASA brought you to moon - americans are proud on that (and with reason)
the NASA have send robots to mars what are working longer than anyone expected - and americans are proud of that (and with reason)
the NASA will bring people to mars in the next 10 years - americans are proud on that

and ALL of that WITH REASON because the people working there are NOT idiots and have done things that nobody ever did before...you CAN be proud on that and the world will celebrate it with you !

now the SAME NASA tells the whole world the HUMAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE IS EXISTING AND IN A CRITICAL PHASE - and now they are idiots?

do you understand what i mean when i call such a brain bonsai idiot?

another example is the past financial crisis.
the whole fucking world knows how it was caused and there is no doubt nowhere.

obama, against unbelievable resistance from rows of financial mafia and republicans, has passed a law that can at least have some regulatory effect to protect those who end up paying the bill: ordinary citizens.

trump overturned this law on the first day and received applause - not only from the financial mafia and the republican party but also from those who had to pay the last bill even though they were not to blame for the disaster?

idiots? yes 1000% idiots !

trump tells people that he is punishing china with duties and his followers are cheering?

only: who pays these duties? China? no !!! the american idiots but unfortunately not ONLY the idiots!

from his public position as POTUS, trump is fighting a war against a personal arch enemy - jeff bezos - and tells the people he or amazon would exploit the US post.
jeff bezos responded and simply stopped "robbing". the losses of the mail have been increasing ever since and when bezos is finished, a letter delivery in usa costs 5 times more than now.

no - not just for the idiots, because that'd be great.

trump is also waging a trade war with its neighbor canada, even though the usa is writing a trade plus with canada.
what have they done to him? brought too much money into the US cash register ?

with an idiot as president and idiots as his followers, you can even make enemies of neighbors.

trump is also not good to speak of germany and one of the reasons is that germany buys the 25% cheaper gas from russia and not the expensive american one which on top of that would have to be transported by ship across the sea under huge environmental pollution.

he claims to be a smart businessman and knows what a good deal is. well, europe knows that too, because otherwise they wouldn't have had better trade balance sheets than in the USA since time immemorial.

what did he reach? putin pays 100% for northstream 2 ! and europe have even less costs.
dealer or idiot? I think this question is also easy to answer.

In asia he kicked US out of all and everything. whole asia is in china´s hand now. that will help a lot to stand a trade war against the USA.
china knows that they will losse on it but they don´t care. but what about the idiots? will they care?

i can write this list from here to the moon because there is not one day when trump isn´t doing a HUGE mistake.
and as i said - the problem is not trump because he will be forgotten in the history and maybe a future generation will call his voters simply: the idiots

the problem is that the world has lost confidence in the american people and system because it is no longer predictable and trustworthy.
under these circumstances it cannot be ruled out that steve bannon or jack the ripper will become the next president. and THAT is NOT due to trump but to those who chose him and still haven't realized that they didn't put their hand in a sweet cake but deep into a dirty and shitty toilet.

[dyna mo]

That was beautiful thommy, really.

Tear.

If only Americans behaved the way you demand.

And Steve bannon was not currently a huge hit throughout Europe.

[SecondFloor]

Originally Posted by thommy

the NASA brought you to moon - americans are proud on that (and with reason)
the NASA have send robots to mars what are working longer than anyone expected - and americans are proud of that (and with reason)
the NASA will bring people to mars in the next 10 years - americans are proud on that

and ALL of that WITH REASON because the people working there are NOT idiots and have done things that nobody ever did before...you CAN be proud on that and the world will celebrate it with you !

now the SAME NASA tells the whole world the HUMAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE IS EXISTING AND IN A CRITICAL PHASE - and now they are idiots?

do you understand what i mean when i call such a brain bonsai idiot?

another example is the past financial crisis.
the whole fucking world knows how it was caused and there is no doubt nowhere.

obama, against unbelievable resistance from rows of financial mafia and republicans, has passed a law that can at least have some regulatory effect to protect those who end up paying the bill: ordinary citizens.

trump overturned this law on the first day and received applause - not only from the financial mafia and the republican party but also from those who had to pay the last bill even though they were not to blame for the disaster?

idiots? yes 1000% idiots !

trump tells people that he is punishing china with duties and his followers are cheering?

only: who pays these duties? China? no !!! the american idiots but unfortunately not ONLY the idiots!

I think you are correct when you say Trump is a symptom and not the cause. For the last 40 years America has de-funded public education systems. When we do budget for schools, it is based off the taxes in the school area, so rich areas have good schools and poor areas have worse schools - and the distance gets wider all the time.

Democracy requires intelligent, well-informed citizens to work correctly, because it requires that citizens participate in political decisions. Some political issues are very complicated - issues of global finance and geopolitics - we need citizens who understand these difficult problems and can make informed choices.

In Italy, in the 1400s, when the founders of the Renaissance were trying to figure out how to implement democracy, they looked at the education system of the ancient greeks. The humanist education - rhetoric, logic, argument, communication - and they decided THIS is what makes democracy work. America needs this kind of citizen - well-informed, well-educated, intellectually curious. But it has starved its education system, and now we have adult citizens who can't discern reality from fantasy.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

Obama was correct - those jobs are never coming back, and they shouldn't. What kid growing up in America wants to be a steel worker or coal miner? What parent wants that for their child over the economic security and physical safety of other occupations?

What planet are living on where everyone has a skilled trade or college education required job? What are these low skilled workers supposed to do? Just live off the government? Many of these low skilled workers WANT to work but we've let china steal all our jobs over the last 30 years. PS those jobs are coming back and not only that they're coming back in record numbers.

[SecondFloor]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

What planet are living on where everyone has a skilled trade or college education required job? What are these low skilled workers supposed to do? Just live off the government? Many of these low skilled workers WANT to work but we've let china steal all our jobs over the last 30 years. PS those jobs are coming back and not only that they're coming back in record numbers.

There are opportunities for unskilled labor in the U.S., they just generally don't involve the production of physical goods. This happens as rich countries transition into service-based economies, because having a better standard of living goes hand in hand with not doing dangerous, physical labor. Unskilled U.S. workers can work in the service economy as waiters, attendants, cleaners, etc.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by SecondFloor

I think you are correct when you say Trump is a symptom and not the cause. For the last 40 years America has de-funded public education systems. When we do budget for schools, it is based off the taxes in the school area, so rich areas have good schools and poor areas have worse schools - and the distance gets wider all the time.

Democracy requires intelligent, well-informed citizens to work correctly, because it requires that citizens participate in political decisions. Some political issues are very complicated - issues of global finance and geopolitics - we need citizens who understand these difficult problems and can make informed choices.

In Italy, in the 1400s, when the founders of the Renaissance were trying to figure out how to implement democracy, they looked at the education system of the ancient greeks. The humanist education - rhetoric, logic, argument, communication - and they decided THIS is what makes democracy work. America needs this kind of citizen - well-informed, well-educated, intellectually curious. But it has starved its education system, and now we have adult citizens who can't discern reality from fantasy.

just like you, I would have written it if my english was perfect enough.

nice that you don't use your head only for hair cutting.
and nice that you think about the real problems that don't offer simple solutions in themselves.

if i let my dogs choose how often they get to eat, they would be dead after a few months. so they are not allowed to vote and are excluded from democratic rules and that is good for them.

but now unfortunately i am an ardent advocate of democracy - at least when it comes to the human society and here begins the problem, because if people have the educational status of my dogs, that can end in disaster.

here the heart of freedom beats against the heart of logic and to defeat this evil we don't need hollywood but an equal education system all over the world and for everyone.

we need people who also recognize when they are pulled over the table with rhetorical tricks that could be read in any 2-dollar pocket book.

we live in the age of manipulation and also the advertising industry would not exist at all if these tricks would not work.
may stupid mistakes make? yes - they may - but only as long as these mistakes do not have to be paid by others.

education is therefore the highest goal that we humans should have. education, empathy, logic and farsightedness are the true rare earths from which we have too little.

for me, it's simply frightening that millions of people don't realize that in the oval office a notorious liar and dilletant is sitting - and in addition a damn bad liar.

it's also a mystery to me why these people don't recognize the carrying capacity in a worldwide economy, because the consequences will still be noticeable in decades to come.

i can't understand why so few people have even the simplest basic knowledge about what they like best: money.

this is where the problems and limits of democracy lie. maybe this is how the founding fathers of america saw it and that's why they introduced the electors who could turn the people's will for the better solution. this was perhaps the underlying idea that led them to it. but to continue this circumstance forever and to live with the fact that the voters are stupid and remain stupid doesn't make democracy grow but die.

there is a user here who wants to explain to me that the USA is not a democracy but a constitutional republic. Doesn't that also scare you that young people in this country have so little knowledge about forms of government that they don't even KNOW that they live in a democracy (even if in a special and limited form of it)?

A country that has been waging wars for democracy for decades. In which millions of soldiers have left their lives for democracy has inhabitants who do not know that they themselves live in a democracy? Should such people really be allowed to vote or wouldn't an election licence be appropriate in this case?

Please do not take this the wrong way. America is not the only country in the world with this problem. But America is the only country that claims to have understood democracy and from here on it becomes an oxymoron.

I worry about America but I worry even more about the remaining 96.7% of humanity for whom this is supposed to be an example.

You defend your 2nd Amendment and take thousands of deaths every year in exchange for it on the grounds that it is right to defend yourself against your government when it gets out of control. The government has been getting out of hand for decades - so what has the 2nd Amendment done, except killing people?

You hate the Russian oligarchs who milk the people there like cows and live in dependence on a few oligarchs who for decades have been telling you the blue of the sky and fooling you into believing the beautiful world.

There has never been a war movie shot in Hollywood in which the US Army doesn't win heroically and bravely. No matter what atrocities the same army has committed in the world and unmentioned the fact that America has never won a war (at least not alone).
Wake up America - this is not the reality that is called Matrix.

[dyna mo]

SecondFloor, I hope you see what thommy is telling you. he is telling you that he thinks his dog is smarter than you and your fellow Americans.

[dyna mo]

here's what thommy thinks of all Americans, including children:

Originally Posted by dyna mo

People that laugh at 300 million people because they have problems aren't the type of people that matter. at all.

Originally Posted by thommy

wasn´t it the 300 million who made this problems ?

Originally Posted by thommy

complain other nations for your own failures and eat shit.

wait, that's all thommy does is complain about Americans being the cause of all of his failures.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by thommy

There has never been a war movie shot in Hollywood in which the US Army doesn't win heroically and bravely.

dafuq you yapping about.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

What planet are living on where everyone has a skilled trade or college education required job? What are these low skilled workers supposed to do? Just live off the government? Many of these low skilled workers WANT to work but we've let china steal all our jobs over the last 30 years. PS those jobs are coming back and not only that they're coming back in record numbers.

it is THIS planet what requires that if you want to live a good life.
you say chinese take this low skilled jobs?
ok i am sure you will find people doing this jobs for 300-400 dollar per month in US.

ohhh... I sense your answer already: they should get paid more.

and how much more do they have to earn when everything suddenly costs 300% more?

and the next question would be: for WHOM do they produce when these were partly manufactured in china, and now cost 300% more on the export market as well?

i think this company will not need a lot of them at the end because no exports and far less sales inside the country.

your miscalculation is that you give unlimited budgets to every american household. but they don't. actually, they don't have any budgets because the goods they buy belong to banks or credit card companies.

if a sweatshirt costs now 15 dollars and they buy 3 of them and later 45 dollars they will simply buy 1. and for 1 you do not need the same amount of workers as for 3. and if they still buy the 3 sweat shirts for the higher price the new car or bicycle will be delisted from the buying list. does that logic reach you?

the jobs you are talking about now are jobs what are created by new bank loans.
many people who planed to build an own home took the chance of cheap interest and bought it now.

to build that many houses you need many workers, right ?

but here are the bad news. the new house orders crashed since 3 month dramatically.
after those houses are build there will not be work for these people.
what do they do than? going to blame china and ask for more house credits from them?

the default risk on private loans granted to houses and cars in the past 2 years has meanwhile almost reached the level of 2008 again.
can you remember what the result was?

how many new cars do you think will be built if you can buy auctioned used car 50% under value? how many houses will be built if the debtor's houses are auctioned at a bargain price?

and here i talk only about 2 of your VERY BIG industries.
if people in this industries losing their job ALL other industries will be effected.
and than the financial markets will crash and as trump gave them their old conditions back they do not have saved money to pay back anybody. who do you think will pay it ? trump ?

remember this very good: 2019 the world will fall in the next financial crisis. and this time it will be MUCH bigger. and even china who helped you out with money in the last crisis will suffer and can´t lend you anything.

what will you do than? begging putin to buy your nukes ?

logic is a rare good - and logic in economy is even harder.
i hope with this child explaination i could make it a bit clearer for you.