No wonder Pornhub is destroying the competition in search rankings

[mce]

Get the mainstream media to link to you https://news.yahoo.com/porn-movie-sh...133924225.html

OKCupid does the same with their "user statistics" involving race / ethnicity 'dating preferences'

[trevesty]

They've gotten hundreds if not thousands of mentions from sites like Yahoo, CNN, Vice, etc.

And you're absolutely correct. That is why they rank for literally everything porn related.

Careful, though. People on GFY with 15k daily sites will whine conspiracy instead of admitting they don't know how to get links like that.

[ilnjscb]

How does XNXX do it then? No one knows them, yet they constantly hit the first page with xhamster and pornhub

[Pipecrew]

Originally Posted by mce

Get the mainstream media to link to you https://news.yahoo.com/porn-movie-sh...133924225.html

OKCupid does the same with their "user statistics" involving race / ethnicity 'dating preferences'

This is something you just realized? They’ve been the masters of this for many years

[JerseyPuma]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

How does XNXX do it then? No one knows them, yet they constantly hit the first page with xhamster and pornhub

no one knows xnxx?? hmmmmm

[Zuzana Designs]

Their marketing is amazing and they do so many mainstream campaigns. One of my favorites was when they offered to blow leaves off peoples lawns

[mce]

Originally Posted by Pipecrew

This is something you just realized? They’ve been the masters of this for many years

It's aimed more towards people who have no clue what HARO and reporter outreach are

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

How does XNXX do it then? No one knows them, yet they constantly hit the first page with xhamster and pornhub

XNXX is pretty damn interesting.

It's a low-effort outdated whitelabel of xvideos with very little visible SEO effort.

Yet they continue to rank for everything.

I'm not sure whether I think there's invisible shit going on--PBNs or 2.0's we can't see in ahrefs--or if its literally just that they were early to the game and have too much momentum to be dethroned.

I kind of think its the latter.

[ghjghj]

[3xmedia]

Ok, well...

https://www.pornhub.com/
https://www.fuq.com/
https://www.xvideos.com/tags/porn

but sometimes it's:

https://www.fuq.com/
https://www.pornhub.com/
https://www.xvideos.com/tags/porn

So why? Im I'n SEO but let's share your opinions :D

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by 3xmedia

Ok, well...

https://www.pornhub.com/
https://www.fuq.com/
https://www.xvideos.com/tags/porn

but sometimes it's:

https://www.fuq.com/
https://www.pornhub.com/
https://www.xvideos.com/tags/porn

So why? Im I'n SEO but let's share your opinions :D

Google's algorithms are always juggling results to look for potential improvements in metrics.

It's normal for a handful of the same sites to trade positions in SERPs for months or years at a time.

[femdomdestiny]

xnxx has better quality links compared to pornhub, although a much smaller number.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

XNXX is pretty damn interesting.

It's a low-effort outdated whitelabel of xvideos with very little visible SEO effort.

Yet they continue to rank for everything.

I'm not sure whether I think there's invisible shit going on--PBNs or 2.0's we can't see in ahrefs--or if its literally just that they were early to the game and have too much momentum to be dethroned.

I kind of think its the latter.

Users are ... well, let's paraphrase the old italian song "La user e mobile" they don't have that kind of loyalty en masse. Free users are like locusts they go everywhere looking for new shit or perfect fix shit. XNXX ranks because it is doing something active - I'm not sure what, but I wish I knew. I also wonder, since their revenue game is inept or "crazy like a fox", if they aren't an undervalued property.

They actually outrank Reddit on similarweb - that doesn't seem passive, they are one of the big 4. They are sitting up there with billion$ web sites and they make money how? Not really ads - their ads are by TrafficFactory.biz . Do they have a membership option? Not that you can easily find. No content creator partnerships.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Users are ... well, let's paraphrase the old italian song "La user e mobile" they don't have that kind of loyalty en masse. Free users are like locusts they go everywhere looking for new shit or perfect fix shit. XNXX ranks because it is doing something active - I'm not sure what, but I wish I knew. I also wonder, since their revenue game is inept or "crazy like a fox", if they aren't an undervalued property.

They actually outrank Reddit on similarweb - that doesn't seem passive, they are one of the big 4. They are sitting up there with billion$ web sites and they make money how? Not really ads - their ads are by TrafficFactory.biz . Do they have a membership option? Not that you can easily find. No content creator partnerships.

idk man, I have sites that have had the same stable direct/bookmark traffic (with little SE traffic) for *years*. But that's actually not what I meant--I believe the top few tubes get tons of free backlinks from all kinds of sites (directories. forums. etc) just by being the most popular...thus keeping them being the most popular

They're not worried about membership/content partners because it's an xvideos whitelabel owned by xvideos. The content partners are on xvideos and xnxx gets the content.

You're right, it is surprisingly lightly monetized. I got nothing but 1 preroll and banners just now. No pop. But remember, a site with traffic like xnxx is gonna have *way* better CPM on their banners than you're gonna get on exoclick.

I'm also thinking you're right, it's not passive SEO. But the backlink profile is just too massive for me to even begin to sort through it to figure out exactly what they might be actively doing.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

xnxx has better quality links compared to pornhub, although a much smaller number.

Can you qualify this with any additional information?

Pornhub's link-baiting tactics have built *very* high quality links on mainstream news sites that XNXX doesn't have.

I haven't really investigated the long-tail of backlinks on either site (it's just too massive of a task and not relevant to my own SEO efforts), so perhaps you're seeing something I'm not.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

idk man, I have sites that have had the same stable direct/bookmark traffic (with little SE traffic) for *years*. But that's actually not what I meant--I believe the top few tubes get tons of free backlinks from all kinds of sites (directories. forums. etc) just by being the most popular...thus keeping them being the most popular

They're not worried about membership/content partners because it's an xvideos whitelabel owned by xvideos. The content partners are on xvideos and xnxx gets the content.

You're right, it is surprisingly lightly monetized. I got nothing but 1 preroll and banners just now. No pop. But remember, a site with traffic like xnxx is gonna have *way* better CPM on their banners than you're gonna get on exoclick.

I'm also thinking you're right, it's not passive SEO. But the backlink profile is just too massive for me to even begin to sort through it to figure out exactly what they might be actively doing.

Shit so xvideos owns them? How did I miss that? So this fucking company is sitting on two top 20 sites? If I had that kind of world girdling traffic I'd optimize that shit. Not the SEO, clearly that guy is a genius, but the revenue side. I'd even work on mainstream campaigns. Pornhub now has the intro music on lots of mainstream stuff, even on tiktok the joke is "when you boyfriend can't make you cum" then she goes into a room, slams the door, and you hear that pornhub community intro music. So they are in the zeitgeist - they have a very active partnership program that some on here even claim gets $12+/cpm but xvideos is an 800 pound gorilla just sitting there.

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Shit so xvideos owns them? How did I miss that? So this fucking company is sitting on two top 20 sites? If I had that kind of world girdling traffic I'd optimize that shit. Not the SEO, clearly that guy is a genius, but the revenue side. I'd even work on mainstream campaigns. Pornhub now has the intro music on lots of mainstream stuff, even on tiktok the joke is "when you boyfriend can't make you cum" then she goes into a room, slams the door, and you hear that pornhub community intro music. So they are in the zeitgeist - they have a very active partnership program that some on here even claim gets $12+/cpm but xvideos is an 800 pound gorilla just sitting there.

Trafficfactory doesn't allow any other publishers that I know of besides xvideos and xnxx, it's basically exclusive for xvideos/xnxx, and they have an xnxx-specific signup lander. (perhaps they've allowed other publishers in since the last time I checked, but they are not a network just any publisher can use)

XNXX uses nothing but xvideos content

Oh and the video players are coded exactly the same. it's not an embed like you'll see on other sites, xnxx has special access to the same player xvideos uses, with a couple minor CSS differences.

if it's not a whitelabel owned by xvideos...they are very closely partnered

Leaving a website lightly monetized is more of a business decision than a question of your skill or understanding of the industry. Plus remember, with the amount of traffic they have, advertisers are optimizing the SHIT out of the ad zones they do have, and they're not paying middleman fees (the 30%+ exoclick would normally take). Their banners are probably generating 5x+ the CPM yours do. 10x even.

And their bandwidth fees will be half or a third of what you'd pay per gb, because volume.

Again, I'm not so sure they're SEO geniuses. I think they got out in front of an industry early, and now get large volumes of free/no-effort links because people link to them naturally.

[0three]

This shit reminds me of leftist anti-capitalists who will name the symptoms but not the cause.

The mainstream media has a controlled, symbiotic relationship with the major tech companies. Do you think they'd leave porn to chance?

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by 0three

This shit reminds me of leftist anti-capitalists who will name the symptoms but not the cause.

The mainstream media has a symbiotic relationship with the major tech companies. Do you think they'd leave porn to chance?

wait what? you're gonna have to explain that one a bit more.

[0three]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

wait what? you're gonna have to explain that one a bit more.

I really shouldn't have to explain it.

Porn isn't a separate case, isolated from the rest of what's going on. If independent voices are being silenced all over the web so that the mainstream can tighten its grip, then there's no reason to suppose that porn wouldn't be subject to the same process, and that an earlier rulebook would continue to apply.

*They* want a homogenized web in few hands, just like they want a homogenized world in few hands. It's obvious to the naked eye and it shouldn't need explaining, but for some reason, porn industry peeps believe that different rules apply here and that Google is playing fair.

[adtrafic]

It seems that pornhub is using Russian bots to write comments everywhere and in all languages...

These days for example on youtube random videos in Spanish there were many comments from people who said random comments like: "Friends remember that Pornhub premium is free for san valentin"

And comments of this type are appearing in posts on facebook, youtube, twitter, online newspapers, etc.... Exactly as it is doing in the elections in Spain or the United States, etc... Attempting to manipulate the opinion with massive spam comments.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

Trafficfactory doesn't allow any other publishers that I know of besides xvideos and xnxx, it's basically exclusive for xvideos/xnxx, and they have an xnxx-specific signup lander. (perhaps they've allowed other publishers in since the last time I checked, but they are not a network just any publisher can use)

XNXX uses nothing but xvideos content

Oh and the video players are coded exactly the same. it's not an embed like you'll see on other sites, xnxx has special access to the same player xvideos uses, with a couple minor CSS differences.

if it's not a whitelabel owned by xvideos...they are very closely partnered

Leaving a website lightly monetized is more of a business decision than a question of your skill or understanding of the industry. Plus remember, with the amount of traffic they have, advertisers are optimizing the SHIT out of the ad zones they do have, and they're not paying middleman fees (the 30%+ exoclick would normally take). Their banners are probably generating 5x+ the CPM yours do. 10x even.

And their bandwidth fees will be half or a third of what you'd pay per gb, because volume.

Again, I'm not so sure they're SEO geniuses. I think they got out in front of an industry early, and now get large volumes of free/no-effort links because people link to them naturally.

Maybe, but it seems hard to believe that you have two sites that outrank reddit that just stumbled into it. Does anybody know these guys who could get them to pop in here?

[Pipecrew]

Originally Posted by mce

It's aimed more towards people who have no clue what HARO and reporter outreach are

They transcended needing to do that. They make the news specifically to get it picked up. They aren’t telling people what to write.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Users are ... well, let's paraphrase the old italian song "La user e mobile" they don't have that kind of loyalty en masse. Free users are like locusts they go everywhere looking for new shit or perfect fix shit. XNXX ranks because it is doing something active - I'm not sure what, but I wish I knew. I also wonder, since their revenue game is inept or "crazy like a fox", if they aren't an undervalued property.

They actually outrank Reddit on similarweb - that doesn't seem passive, they are one of the big 4. They are sitting up there with billion$ web sites and they make money how? Not really ads - their ads are by TrafficFactory.biz . Do they have a membership option? Not that you can easily find. No content creator partnerships.

They own their own ad network - TrafficFactory. They do have content partnerships - it's through the xVideos platform. They have a premium service, also through the xVideos platform.

I don't know why some of you say such things without even being close to knowing what you're talking about.

[femdomdestiny]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

Can you qualify this with any additional information?

Pornhub's link-baiting tactics have built *very* high quality links on mainstream news sites that XNXX doesn't have.

I haven't really investigated the long-tail of backlinks on either site (it's just too massive of a task and not relevant to my own SEO efforts), so perhaps you're seeing something I'm not.

I could but that would mean revealing some of my methods. So I will plead the Fifth now and stay silent

[Colmike9]

Do SEs make money on the big tube's traffic programs? If so, maybe XNXX makes them more money?

Just thinking out loud while smoking a blunt, tho, so don't mind me til later.

[nikki99]

I remember when melissa midwest was arrested

[mce]

Here's another GEM

https://www.prweek.com/article/16739...ting-political

Why aren't more GFY webmasters doing the same?

[mce]

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

xnxx has better quality links compared to pornhub, although a much smaller number.

I wonder why xvideos were hit by DDOS attacks

Has Pornhub been hit by DDOS?

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by trevesty

They own their own ad network - TrafficFactory. They do have content partnerships - it's through the xVideos platform. They have a premium service, also through the xVideos platform.

I don't know why some of you say such things without even being close to knowing what you're talking about.

I just didn't know. If you read the post above I wasn't even aware XNXX was related to xvideos. Why do you have to be an asshole about it?

Me: "Shit so xvideos owns them? How did I miss that? So this fucking company is sitting on two top 20 sites?"

How do you expect people to learn things if they don't share information? Anyway, thanks for clearing that up, even if you were a dick about it.

[movieguy]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

if it's not a whitelabel owned by xvideos...they are very closely partnered

XNXX was their TGP. They then created xvideos.com as their tube site when porn moved towards video content. TGPs were dying, so they converted XNXX to a tube, using xvideos content.

Originally Posted by wankawonk

Again, I'm not so sure they're SEO geniuses. I think they got out in front of an industry early, and now get large volumes of free/no-effort links because people link to them naturally.

They bought backlinks on gov and edu domains back in the day. It was easy. Nobody noticed. Rumor mill was they were quite aggressive with blackhat and greyhat techniques, but everyone was kinda doing it too.

regarding Pornhub:
An SEO genius named M. Pahl, taught pornhub's team some aggressive, but mostly whitehat techniques, which got them in front early on (lots of backlinks, circular links, one direction backlinks, etc). The executives were convinced to spend the money.

As google's algorithm focused more on compliance, authority, and content-awareness, someone on the SEO team convinced their bosses to switch to public relations. Whoever this person is, is the genius. Just think about that for a second: you've been doing "traditional" SEO for years and it's working well for you. Suddenly, your SEO guy tells you to divert the millions you spend on SEO, into press and public relations. Porn companies are normally slow to react and don't make major changes until someone else has proven it works. The switch to PR, was a monumental decision.

[mce]

Originally Posted by movieguy

XNXX was their TGP. They then created xvideos.com as their tube site when porn moved towards video content. TGPs were dying, so they converted XNXX to a tube, using xvideos content.



They bought backlinks on gov and edu domains back in the day. It was easy. Nobody noticed. Rumor mill was they were quite aggressive with blackhat and greyhat techniques, but everyone was kinda doing it too.

regarding Pornhub:
An SEO genius named M. Pahl, taught pornhub's team some aggressive, but mostly whitehat techniques, which got them in front early on (lots of backlinks, circular links, one direction backlinks, etc). The executives were convinced to spend the money.

As google's algorithm focused more on compliance, authority, and content-awareness, someone on the SEO team convinced their bosses to switch to public relations. Whoever this person is, is the genius. Just think about that for a second: you've been doing "traditional" SEO for years and it's working well for you. Suddenly, your SEO guy tells you to divert the millions you spend on SEO, into press and public relations. Porn companies are normally slow to react and don't make major changes until someone else has proven it works. The switch to PR, was a monumental decision.

PH is also doing something right when it comes government compliance because some govs ban xnxx/xvideos while allowing PH.
Xhamster is banned in some areas but XH was able to fix this by registering xhamster2

[PornDiscounts-V]

Originally Posted by trevesty

They've gotten hundreds if not thousands of mentions from sites like Yahoo, CNN, Vice, etc.

And you're absolutely correct. That is why they rank for literally everything porn related.

Careful, though. People on GFY with 15k daily sites will whine conspiracy instead of admitting they don't know how to get links like that.

What did the fox say?

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by movieguy

XNXX was their TGP. They then created xvideos.com as their tube site when porn moved towards video content. TGPs were dying, so they converted XNXX to a tube, using xvideos content.



They bought backlinks on gov and edu domains back in the day. It was easy. Nobody noticed. Rumor mill was they were quite aggressive with blackhat and greyhat techniques, but everyone was kinda doing it too.

regarding Pornhub:
An SEO genius named M. Pahl, taught pornhub's team some aggressive, but mostly whitehat techniques, which got them in front early on (lots of backlinks, circular links, one direction backlinks, etc). The executives were convinced to spend the money.

As google's algorithm focused more on compliance, authority, and content-awareness, someone on the SEO team convinced their bosses to switch to public relations. Whoever this person is, is the genius. Just think about that for a second: you've been doing "traditional" SEO for years and it's working well for you. Suddenly, your SEO guy tells you to divert the millions you spend on SEO, into press and public relations. Porn companies are normally slow to react and don't make major changes until someone else has proven it works. The switch to PR, was a monumental decision.

Back in the day, the first tubes tried to force random popunders for every 2nd or 3rd click, which turned users off, obviously. That was a stupid, old school decision. The tubes that blew up just served up the video. It took maybe three months for them to start dominating everyone else. I remember when they had 500 videos, and the first video posted, regardless of quality, would have 20,000,000 views. Shit they used to DATE the uploads, and there'd be like 7 uploads a day in the early days haha!

[Konda]

Seriously? There really are people that don't know that xvideos owns xnxx???

It's actually the other way around. Xnxx was already huge like 10 years ago in the TGP days, before they started xvideos.

After that they also bought porno.com, bangbros, legalporno, etc.


And as for Pornhub marketing techniques to be linked from all the mainstream media, they have been doing this for many years, they have a whole team working on just that. I have seen some of the other tubes trying to copy it, but none has been really successful. Camsoda also keeps trying, sometimes they have a bit of luck, but Pornhub is the absolute master in it.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

I just didn't know. If you read the post above I wasn't even aware XNXX was related to xvideos. Why do you have to be an asshole about it?

Me: "Shit so xvideos owns them? How did I miss that? So this fucking company is sitting on two top 20 sites?"

How do you expect people to learn things if they don't share information? Anyway, thanks for clearing that up, even if you were a dick about it.

Ok. It's been common knowledge (at least in my circle) since like, 2008 or whenever xvideos was launched by the XNXX guys.

They own quite a lot more than that, too.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by Konda

Seriously? There really are people that don't know that xvideos owns xnxx???

It's actually the other way around. Xnxx was already huge like 10 years ago in the TGP days, before they started xvideos.

After that they also bought porno.com, bangbros, legalporno, etc.


And as for Pornhub marketing techniques to be linked from all the mainstream media, they have been doing this for many years, they have a whole team working on just that. I have seen some of the other tubes trying to copy it, but none has been really successful. Camsoda also keeps trying, sometimes they have a bit of luck, but Pornhub is the absolute master in it.

Originally Posted by trevesty

Ok. It's been common knowledge (at least in my circle) since like, 2008 or whenever xvideos was launched by the XNXX guys.

They own quite a lot more than that, too.

I really didn't know. When pornhub did the (short) partnership with Eat24, Eat24 contacted me to do a study with them on the effectiveness of their campaign. It wasn't so much, they've now become grubhub, but it demonstrated that mainstream could advertise on large porn sites without the stigma being a kiss of death. However, as so many content producers have found, the cheap ads don't really produce. You have to really customize, and the large mainstreams don't have time for that model. In other words, it wasn't horrible, but it wasn't a goldmine either.

[sandman!]

The owner of Xnxx started xvideos xnxx has been around for a long time.

Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Shit so xvideos owns them? How did I miss that? So this fucking company is sitting on two top 20 sites? If I had that kind of world girdling traffic I'd optimize that shit. Not the SEO, clearly that guy is a genius, but the revenue side. I'd even work on mainstream campaigns. Pornhub now has the intro music on lots of mainstream stuff, even on tiktok the joke is "when you boyfriend can't make you cum" then she goes into a room, slams the door, and you hear that pornhub community intro music. So they are in the zeitgeist - they have a very active partnership program that some on here even claim gets $12+/cpm but xvideos is an 800 pound gorilla just sitting there.

[TrafficTitan]

xvideos and xnxx don't rank because of backlinks it's because there tag pages are so high quality.

[Jazzix]

XVideos showing up in Google SERP more than ever now. More than PornHub by far

____________________

[Jazzix]

Originally Posted by TrafficTitan

xvideos and xnxx don't rank because of backlinks it's because there tag pages are so high quality.

Category maybe but tag pages will drown your site with too many low quality urls.. that's not why

[askjoe]

Originally Posted by TrafficTitan

xvideos and xnxx don't rank because of backlinks it's because there tag pages are so high quality.

It´s userexperience

They rank because of:
- higher visit duration
- more pages per visit
- lower bouncerate
- less ads

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by Jazzix

Category maybe but tag pages will drown your site with too many low quality urls.. that's not why

lol.

Their "porn videos" tag page ranks #2 for "porn".

Re-read what the person you quoted said. It completely invalidates what you replied with.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by 3xmedia

Ok, well...

https://www.pornhub.com/
https://www.fuq.com/
https://www.xvideos.com/tags/porn

but sometimes it's:

https://www.fuq.com/
https://www.pornhub.com/
https://www.xvideos.com/tags/porn

So why? Im I'n SEO but let's share your opinions :D

Time on Site.

[movieguy]

Originally Posted by askjoe

It´s userexperience

They rank because of:
- higher visit duration
- more pages per visit
- lower bouncerate
- less ads

Totally agree with this. I can't jerk off to pornhub, even with a premium account. videos load so fucking slow

[nikki99]

thanks for the list, I will DMCA all of them now

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by Jazzix

Category maybe but tag pages will drown your site with too many low quality urls.. that's not why

The top tubes have "tag" pages for literally everything.

Your thought here has merit--if you're a small player trying to rank for some specific keyword/category, you don't want to dilute your site with thousands of pages that feature content irrelevant to your target keyword/category.

But if you want to rank for *everything* the way the top tubes do...you need pages relevant to every imaginable keyword.

[RyuLion]

Originally Posted by trevesty

They've gotten hundreds if not thousands of mentions from sites like Yahoo, CNN, Vice, etc.

And you're absolutely correct. That is why they rank for literally everything porn related.

Careful, though. People on GFY with 15k daily sites will whine conspiracy instead of admitting they don't know how to get links like that.