Paysite 100 Sales A Day... Is it Poss ? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Krille · 10-29-2005, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

True but even with paid spots, certain type of sites do well on certain tgps. and looking at his sites i don't think they would do well on a majorty of the large tgps where you can buy spots at

oh didn't see any site he posted, can't see any damn link

missed the part where he said:
"Yes the company is giving me an advertising budget... month 1 will be $10,000"

$3.33 per signup, that's really going to work! That's 22 adwords clicks at $0.15 each.

Why aim so low, with $10,000 you'll easily get 500 signups a day!

Krille · 10-29-2005, 05:20 AM

damn i'm pwning you today woj!

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

True but even with paid spots, certain type of sites do well on certain tgps. and looking at his sites i don't think they would do well on a majorty of the large tgps where you can buy spots at

Who's sites ??? Myn... the sites in my sig are not the sites I am referring to, the sites I am on about in this thread is a new company who have employed me to do their sites...

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Krille

oh didn't see any site he posted, can't see any damn link

missed the part where he said:
"Yes the company is giving me an advertising budget... month 1 will be $10,000"

$3.33 per signup, that's really going to work! That's 22 adwords clicks at $0.15 each.

Why aim so low, with $10,000 you'll easily get 500 signups a day!

Do people get paid extra to be dicks on this board ??? if so Krille you will be a millionaire without any sites...

First off I have not posted any links to the new sites... so no one as of yet knows what they are like...

Second yes there is a $10,000 budget, but I am not relying on that to get me 100 sales a day... but fuck it dude why dont you read what you want to read, edit and pasts what you want... the whole point of the thread was to get peoples input in what things should be done, but of course I knew it would also attract people who just want to throw dumb shit about... so carry on...

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 05:39 AM

coincidence that the ones being all fuckign negative and condecending all have blank sigs... nothing to be proud of maybe ???

Krille · 10-29-2005, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

Do people get paid extra to be dicks on this board ??? if so Krille you will be a millionaire without any sites...

First off I have not posted any links to the new sites... so no one as of yet knows what they are like...

Second yes there is a $10,000 budget, but I am not relying on that to get me 100 sales a day... but fuck it dude why dont you read what you want to read, edit and pasts what you want... the whole point of the thread was to get peoples input in what things should be done, but of course I knew it would also attract people who just want to throw dumb shit about... so carry on...

Oops, didn't see that you only wanted people to post if they thought you would have any success at all.
Did you expect a step by step guide on how to get 100 signups a day to a paysite?
Wake up and smell the coffeeeeeeee

Krille · 10-29-2005, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

coincidence that the ones being all fuckign negative and condecending all have blank sigs... nothing to be proud of maybe ???

yeah it's very stupid of people not to post links to the sites they are "proud of" in their sigs, why don't everyone put up link to their shit so newbies like you can steal ideas from them?

slapass · 10-29-2005, 05:50 AM

Go to some sites you think are doing 100 sales. Check the alexa number to determine traffic. Divide by 600. This will get you in the ball park on 90% of the sites. Voyeur you should divide by 1000.

The deal with affiliates is 90% do nothing. 10% will make you sales. But even those are not going to 10 sales a day for a month with you. Or even 1 sale a day.

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Krille

yeah it's very stupid of people not to post links to the sites they are "proud of" in their sigs, why don't everyone put up link to their shit so newbies like you can steal ideas from them?

Ah so you really dont have anything... just talk a good (bad) game !

Krille · 10-29-2005, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

Ah so you really dont have anything... just talk a good (bad) game !

what are you talking about? damn you just pwned me, i don't have a sig, darn what do i do now??? shit! thought everyone surfed gfy with sigs off

Anna_O · 10-29-2005, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

coincidence that the ones being all fuckign negative and condecending all have blank sigs... nothing to be proud of maybe ???

Yes, you HAVE TO have a sig on GFY to be someone in this biz

Theo · 10-29-2005, 06:03 AM

You seem to have false impression for many things and even starts from your thread title. (100 sales/day). Why not 69/day or 134/day? What's your monthly membership price gonna be? When you start a serious business plan you consider cost, break-even point, roi, risk and so on factors. Daily sales alone is a totally pointless factor.

Anna_O · 10-29-2005, 06:05 AM

And btw, read Pleasurepays post again, disregard his harshness, and look at the points he made...

Krille · 10-29-2005, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Anna_O

Yes, you HAVE TO have a sig on GFY to be someone in this biz

skit, då är det kört för mej då

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Krille

what are you talking about? damn you just pwned me, i don't have a sig, darn what do i do now??? shit! thought everyone surfed gfy with sigs off

It's OK Krille... people will forget how stupid you are in a day or two... And as you stated I am sure there are an equal amount of people who think I am stupid for askign questions, instead of being arragant and thinking I know it all... just beating you to the punch...

So to clarify, I know if I am goign to achieve the 100 sales a day I am indeed going to need good affilaites promoting me, I also realise I am goign to need a good product for them to sell... I also know that i am also goign to have to generate my own traffic, through buying traffic, buying ad spots, uterlising SEO... but I am looking to think outside the box, which is why I asked for some input... sorry to those who's lifes are so boring this flagged the thread as somethign worth flamming...

Anna_O · 10-29-2005, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Krille

skit, då är det kört för mej då

Japp, du kan lika gärna sälja datorn och gå direkt till AMS

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

You seem to have false impression for many things and even starts from your thread title. (100 sales/day). Why not 69/day or 134/day? What's your monthly membership price gonna be? When you start a serious business plan you consider cost, break-even point, roi, risk and so on factors. Daily sales alone is a totally pointless factor.

You are correct... the 100 sign ups a day is not the only factor we have considered, but the thread was a question based on how achievable it is... and what was needed to achieve it... simple as that...

As was mentioned in theis thread, there is a lot of hype... people throwing big figures around... so just wanted soem input... yes I didnt appreciate the harshness of one or two replys, I was certainly up for constructive critism... but people just slagging people off they dont even know, not giving any constructive critism... just flammin bores the fuck out of me...

Krille · 10-29-2005, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

It's OK Krille... people will forget how stupid you are in a day or two... And as you stated I am sure there are an equal amount of people who think I am stupid for askign questions, instead of being arragant and thinking I know it all... just beating you to the punch...

So to clarify, I know if I am goign to achieve the 100 sales a day I am indeed going to need good affilaites promoting me, I also realise I am goign to need a good product for them to sell... I also know that i am also goign to have to generate my own traffic, through buying traffic, buying ad spots, uterlising SEO... but I am looking to think outside the box, which is why I asked for some input... sorry to those who's lifes are so boring this flagged the thread as somethign worth flamming...

yes, i'm so stupid for not having a sig, damn, it's so utterly stupid!!!

so with your great skills, how many signups do you get a day?

bhutocracy · 10-29-2005, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

Dude what the fuck was that all about, what do you run ??? So no one who as posted in this thread knows what they are talking about, but you do ??? Interesting idea... good to see your full of confidence...

I dont make out to be the be all and end all in this industry... but I am keen to learn... I guess I will have to try and prove you wrong... and hopefully produce a product that will be beneficial to a lot of people...

Thanks for your input...

Shut your pie hole and listen to pleasure pays. He's giving you the best advice in the thread and you're taking it like a personal insult instead of $100,000 advice.

The model of site you talk about is THE SITE EVERY NON PORN COMPANY WANTING TO GET INTO PORN WANTS TO DO. It also happens to be the absolutely most expensive one with costly feed software and high ongoing content costs which is why most of them fail. You can spend hundreds of thousands trying to break into the industry with high cost products and lose it all, it happens every day.

None of the other people are reading the thread properly.. can you do 100 signups a day on a paysite starting out today? not really unless you know something more than the 1000 other webmasters that have been doing it for almost 10 years know, can afford to pay for the sign ups (which if you can't do PPS you can't) or have found the next tawnee stone (which isn't your business model and it takes much more than a great model to make a site successful).

Can you do 100 sign ups off a bunch of sites with a year or so of work and a grip of cash? Sure.. it's easier.

Are you going to do 100 signups a day on an 8 girl 24 hour feed site without PPS and only a 10k/mo budget and not knowing enough to understand that the critical advice being given to you is golden so you ignore it and just soak up the good vibes from the guys that aren't paying attention?
I wouldn't bet on it unless your 6 programmers program a time machine to take you back to 1996 and you buy voyeurdorm.com.

But you can still start up a program for them in another direction and build it up over a year or two to get near 100 a day.. You just need to find a better and more cost efficient way to enter the market and starting talking more in the 20-50 a day range so your backers aren't disappointed when you don't hit 100 after 6 months - they're happy when you pass the 50 you told them in 12..
Start looking at the successful programs around, the stand out sites.. the profitable niches and form a strategy... hiring a consultant to write up a business plan probably isn't a bad idea.

Krille · 10-29-2005, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Shut your pie hole and listen to pleasure pays. He's giving you the best advice in the thread and you're taking it like a personal insult instead of $100,000 advice.

The model of site you talk about is THE SITE EVERY NON PORN COMPANY WANTING TO GET INTO PORN WANTS TO DO. It also happens to be the absolutely most expensive one with costly feed software and high ongoing content costs which is why most of them fail. You can spend hundreds of thousands trying to break into the industry with high cost products and lose it all, it happens every day.

None of the other people are reading the thread properly.. can you do 100 signups a day on a paysite starting out today? not really unless you know something more than the 1000 other webmasters that have been doing it for almost 10 years know, can afford to pay for the sign ups (which if you can't do PPS you can't) or have found the next tawnee stone (which isn't your business model and it takes much more than a great model to make a site successful).

Can you do 100 sign ups off a bunch of sites with a year or so of work and a grip of cash? Sure.. it's easier.

Are you going to do 100 signups a day on an 8 girl 24 hour feed site without PPS and only a 10k/mo budget and not knowing enough to understand that the critical advice being given to you is golden so you ignore it and just soak up the good vibes from the guys that aren't paying attention?
I wouldn't bet on it unless your 6 programmers program a time machine to take you back to 1996 and you buy voyeurdorm.com.

But you can still start up a program for them in another direction and build it up over a year or two to get near 100 a day.. You just need to find a better and more cost efficient way to enter the market and starting talking more in the 20-50 a day range so your backers aren't disappointed when you don't hit 100 after 6 months - they're happy when you pass the 50 you told them in 12..
Start looking at the successful programs around, the stand out sites.. the profitable niches and form a strategy... hiring a consultant to write up a business plan probably isn't a bad idea.

hey don't wake him up from his 1996 dream

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Shut your pie hole and listen to pleasure pays. He's giving you the best advice in the thread and you're taking it like a personal insult instead of $100,000 advice.

The model of site you talk about is THE SITE EVERY NON PORN COMPANY WANTING TO GET INTO PORN WANTS TO DO. It also happens to be the absolutely most expensive one with costly feed software and high ongoing content costs which is why most of them fail. You can spend hundreds of thousands trying to break into the industry with high cost products and lose it all, it happens every day.

None of the other people are reading the thread properly.. can you do 100 signups a day on a paysite starting out today? not really unless you know something more than the 1000 other webmasters that have been doing it for almost 10 years know, can afford to pay for the sign ups (which if you can't do PPS you can't) or have found the next tawnee stone (which isn't your business model and it takes much more than a great model to make a site successful).

Can you do 100 sign ups off a bunch of sites with a year or so of work and a grip of cash? Sure.. it's easier.

Are you going to do 100 signups a day on an 8 girl 24 hour feed site without PPS and only a 10k/mo budget and not knowing enough to understand that the critical advice being given to you is golden so you ignore it and just soak up the good vibes from the guys that aren't paying attention?
I wouldn't bet on it unless your 6 programmers program a time machine to take you back to 1996 and you buy voyeurdorm.com.

But you can still start up a program for them in another direction and build it up over a year or two to get near 100 a day.. You just need to find a better and more cost efficient way to enter the market and starting talking more in the 20-50 a day range so your backers aren't disappointed when you don't hit 100 after 6 months - they're happy when you pass the 50 you told them in 12..
Start looking at the successful programs around, the stand out sites.. the profitable niches and form a strategy... hiring a consultant to write up a business plan probably isn't a bad idea.

Thanks for both the nice advice and the reality check. Appologies to PleasurePays... I guess it was just the harshness that got my back up, but bhutocracy was right their was some good advice in there

As there was in your post, apart from shutting my pie hole...

is anyone out in AOE in November, I will be there and would love to meet up and show I aint really a bad guy

bhutocracy · 10-29-2005, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

Thanks for both the nice advice and the reality check. Appologies to PleasurePays... I guess it was just the harshness that got my back up, but bhutocracy was right their was some good advice in there

As there was in your post, apart from shutting my pie hole...

is anyone out in AOE in November, I will be there and would love to meet up and show I aint really a bad guy

I only said to shut it because im reading it thinking "this is 110% spot on" and you reply swearing etc. He's the only one admitting to trying it out and failing so even though he's not flying anything in his sig you should listen. Roger V, TheDoc, thinx who have both been around and run their own stuff were also doubtful, Donovan and spooky actually gave you figures showing how hard it is. It's hard to know who runs the programs in their sig and who is just sigwhoring... but you should listen to the majority of guys that run their own stuff.. Duke and felix dont count they're just bragging

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 06:57 AM

Yeah I hear ya... as I said I just got the hair on the back of neck up cause of the harshness, guess ome people just say things that way...

I do think the site will be hot however, and I am 100% commited to making it a success

Pleasurepays · 10-29-2005, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

Thanks for both the nice advice and the reality check. Appologies to PleasurePays... I guess it was just the harshness that got my back up, but bhutocracy was right their was some good advice in there

As there was in your post, apart from shutting my pie hole...

is anyone out in AOE in November, I will be there and would love to meet up and show I aint really a bad guy

haha. i am not offended by anything. no need to apologize. its all just pixels on a monitor to me. but you have to understand that most of the people responding to your posts have never run an affiliate program and have never even dreamt of 100 joins a day to a site. i bet a few of these guys can't muster up 100 hits a day.

you will have to accept that 10K is not enough to do anything with. with one site i have right now, i have spent over 100K on traffic in the last couple months and I am still tweaking, tuning and making changes. thats just to test. thats just money to set on fire and watch burn while i figure out what works best. there is a massive learning curve in this business. its huge. and just as fast as you are figuring things out, everything is changing.

you could buy links on the hun and world sex for 10K and maybe never get more than 10 joins for that money in a month. there are just too many factors to consider and its not fair to you for anyone to say "yeah, its possible" when they are just responding to the thread title... and not considering what you wrote...that you are investing money in and launching a program/site with no understanding of how the business works.

you take it as an insult for people to say that your asking the question is a good indication that you will fail... and fail to realize that if you have to ask such a question, you have sooooooo much to learn already, that your chances of succeeding are almost nil.

and i am sorry... these projects have came and went from all over the world. great sites, hot chicks, compelling content... voyeur houses from las vegas, costa rica, malibu, seattle, miami, moscow, riga, prague etc etc etc etc etc etc etc... there has been many. they are all gone. and you should really give that some thought. why are they gone. I can tell you, but it does not sound like you are ready for the answer.... but i will tell you anyway. the content is not as interesting to surfers as you think it will be. not my idea, not my opinion but a time proven fact.

no big adult program is going to add it to their members area no matter how cool it is or what upsell you offer because they know their members don't care.

as others besides myself have mentioned... these sites convert poorly. they have poor retention. it takes only a few minutes to click through the cams and get bored with it... and no matter how many cams you have, most cams are going to not have anyone there. you will learn how hard that is too... wait until you get bombarded with e-mails complaining that no girls were in the house even though you know you had 6 in the house all day for 3 days. this is most likely going to be the most frustrating and disspointing experience you will have in this biz and i am sorry, but i dont see it working.

and for the record, i ran the content side of geishahouse.com, it is in russia - even today and i turned it over to one of my friends who runs it for directsex. the girls are Russian/Korean - and thats not the only one i have done. But you should know that that site (and others) are still online because the chat rooms make money. the site doesn't make money. BUT the chat rooms also have their own traffic from other sources... not from the site itself. even if you did 100 joins a day, you would not have a big enough members base to make money with the chat without significant traffic from others sources. 100 users per day does not mean 100 chat users per day. i dont think geishahouse.com with all their affiliates ever got more than 30 joins a day to that site at its peak and its been online since 98.

i know the numbers of this game very well. thats why my best advice to you was to just slow down first. take your time, think about what you are doing, learn a little, talk to people and make sure you have a plan that makes sense. it takes more than enthusiasm and determination when you have 20-30-40-50K per month in bills to pay and they are due on the first of each month.

Pleasurepays · 10-29-2005, 07:17 AM

and i would guess that there are less than 50 people/companies in this biz that do more than 100 joins a day consistently... and there are 1000's that have been trying for years.

bhutocracy · 10-29-2005, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

and i would guess that there are less than 50 people/companies in this biz that do more than 100 joins a day consistently... and there are 1000's that have been trying for years.

Probably not far off it there.

directfiesta · 10-29-2005, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

Dude what the fuck was that all about, what do you run ??? So no one who as posted in this thread knows what they are talking about, but you do ??? Interesting idea... good to see your full of confidence...

I dont make out to be the be all and end all in this industry... but I am keen to learn... I guess I will have to try and prove you wrong... and hopefully produce a product that will be beneficial to a lot of people...

Thanks for your input...

You wanted opinions, Pleasurepays gave you one. He took quite a bit of time in doing so .
You don't like the message, fine; but don't shoot the messenger.

If I were you, I would read it again carefully and research what he says about the closing of well know similar sites...

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

You wanted opinions, Pleasurepays gave you one. He took quite a bit of time in doing so .
You don't like the message, fine; but don't shoot the messenger.

If I were you, I would read it again carefully and research what he says about the closing of well know similar sites...

Kinda did that dude, hence my appology... but point taken

andrej_NDC · 10-29-2005, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

and i would guess that there are less than 50 people/companies in this biz that do more than 100 joins a day consistently... and there are 1000's that have been trying for years.

this is the most accurate thing in this thread

Dalai lama · 10-29-2005, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

and i would guess that there are less than 50 people/companies in this biz that do more than 100 joins a day consistently... and there are 1000's that have been trying for years.

So true

tranza · 10-29-2005, 10:15 AM

What's the subscription price?

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tranza

What's the subscription price?

Hasnt been 100% finalised but I am thinking somewhere around $29.95 to $34.95...

John Marco · 10-29-2005, 12:56 PM

I would have to agree with Pleasurepays to some extent and $10,000 per month is not enough at all. My advice would be:

- Budget $50,000/month on pre-paid traffic from Google, Yahoo, and TGP's
- Budget $10,000/month for affiliate banners but do not count on them for affiliate traffic. These are only good for branding and name recognition. The affiliate traffic will take 1+ year to build up to a level where it even merits the effort.

If you do this, and make sure your site converts before hand, you will be ok.

Love Sex · 10-29-2005, 01:33 PM

Do you even have any traffic to start off with? I am thinking about eventually building a paysite but first i am learning how to get my own traffic before i jump into anything serious.

SteveAustin · 10-29-2005, 02:00 PM

Ive been around for 8 years and up until 5 months ago was doing 50 siogn ups per day with an ad budget of $2k pr month an donly a few affiliates. Averaged 10k hits a day.

Now, since my content has changed to all amateur teen (visa, mc rules made me take down my old stuff) - my traffic has slowed to 4-5k per day and about 10-15 sign ups per day.

Im looking to boost traffic, boost affiliates (only have a few good ones) and advertising as well. Once i do this my goal is 25-30 per day and its very possible. Easily.

BTW, my site is at forbiddenvideo.com

Good luck, 100 per day is gonna be tough but not impossible.

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by John Marco

I would have to agree with Pleasurepays to some extent and $10,000 per month is not enough at all. My advice would be:

- Budget $50,000/month on pre-paid traffic from Google, Yahoo, and TGP's
- Budget $10,000/month for affiliate banners but do not count on them for affiliate traffic. These are only good for branding and name recognition. The affiliate traffic will take 1+ year to build up to a level where it even merits the effort.

If you do this, and make sure your site converts before hand, you will be ok.

Ok useful information, thanks I am getting the idea

pornguy · 10-29-2005, 03:05 PM

It can be done. And It CAN be done by a new program. But the site/s have to have what the surfer wants, and it has to be either something that they can not get anywhere else, or delivered in a very unique way.

I am talking about a new site.

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 03:14 PM

I think the site is pretty hot... it's kinda big brother style... 8 top uk girls in a flat... webcammed up... it's not porn... but loads of reality and interaction...

Someone said it's been flogged to death... but I certainly aint seen it that much... and certainly not to the level this site is...

Guess we will have to see when it comes out... fingers crossed

Pleasurepays · 10-29-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

I think the site is pretty hot... it's kinda big brother style... 8 top uk girls in a flat... webcammed up... it's not porn... but loads of reality and interaction...

Someone said it's been flogged to death... but I certainly aint seen it that much... and certainly not to the level this site is...

Guess we will have to see when it comes out... fingers crossed

this is just painful to watch.

you haven't seen it "that much"... because you haven't been around to see it all come and go. it hasn't been done to death... my point again and again and again and again.. is that these sites SUCK. surfers dont care. they convert like shit, they retain like shit. and i am not the only one that said that.

you are in love with an obvious and unoriginal idea that is a shitty business model with obscene overhead that does poorly online and came and went in 98.

wow.

i guess when you are blowing someone elses money ........

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 03:41 PM

OK I guess the proof will be in the pooding, they are commited to this site, and hadnt really seen online as a major revenue, so sure they wont be majorly disapointed...

They are a saterlitte company and its being run in conjuction with other things they have got in mind for it... including mobile media... so stop stressing its all good...

The only site i have seen personally is "WeLiveTogether" I thought that converted and rebilled pretty good... and the interaction and reality of this site will be far better than that site... again maybe I am wrong, remember I aint tryign to wear any baseball caps saying "I'm The Best"...

Anyways as I said will have to see what happens... maybe I will wake up from my dream world... and realise all you guys were right... Oh there is a second post cause I just cant get my head round the maths by the way... but will post that seperate...

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 03:43 PM

One or two of you guys have suggested $60k as the advertising budget !!! But I am like WTF... the maths dont add up... and this is where I need some help to clarify it for me...

If I have a site that does 100 sign ups a day at $30 a throw thats $90k a month... now you have to take the processing fee out of that, lets say thats 13%... so about $12000... leaving $78,000...

I then reckon on the affilaites fees... even saying they are really small lets say $10,000... that leaves $68,000... you then have to take out the running costs like content and bandwidth... reckon espcially with the type of site this is will be around $4000... leaving $64k... now by the time you take out your advertising budget of $60,000 then your left with a profit of $4000...

Gambling $60k with a view to winning $4000 profit ??? hmmmm...

Now I actually then though ah but you get your $60k back... but then you are just reinvesting that back into the traffic/promotions !!! So you never really see it... cause again come the end of the month and you have to take it back out again so this is always rolling back into traffic and promo... heaven forbid you have a bad month !!!

So am I missing soemthing here with the maths... ??? Help... I am so confused...

directfiesta · 10-29-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

One or two of you guys have suggested $60k as the advertising budget !!! But I am like WTF... the maths dont add up... and this is where I need some help to clarify it for me...

If I have a site that does 100 sign ups a day at $30 a throw thats $90k a month... now you have to take the processing fee out of that, lets say thats 13%... so about $12000... leaving $78,000...

I then reckon on the affilaites fees... even saying they are really small lets say $10,000... that leaves $68,000... you then have to take out the running costs like content and bandwidth... reckon espcially with the type of site this is will be around $4000... leaving $64k... now by the time you take out your advertising budget of $60,000 then your left with a profit of $4000...

Now I actually then though ah but you get your $60k back... but then you are just reinvesting that back into the traffic/promotions !!! So you never really see it... cause again come the end of the month and you have to take it back out again so this is always rolling back into traffic and promo... heaven forbid you have a bad month !!!

So am I missing soemthing here with the maths... ??? Help... I am so confused...

You want to make money?

Quit now, before it's too late ...

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

. webcammed up... it's not porn... but loads of reality and interaction...

I have TV for this .. and it's FREE !!!!!

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

now by the time you take out your advertising budget of $60,000 then your left with a profit of $4000...

That is your FIRST month ... If I believed in your model, i would say it is great, because your cost of launching should start to go down and your recurring contribution to the income increasing evey month ...

But as PleasurePays said: it sucks!

QuaWee · 10-29-2005, 04:09 PM

your concept reminds me of real world/big brother. is that what you are aiming for?

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 04:23 PM

yeah pretty much but with more flesh... I thougth guys dug the whoel reality idea... I know they dig the webcam idea... and at the end of the day 8 girls on webcam, webcam shows every night, and tonns of video and pics to boot sounds good to me...

So ok I respect the opinions of the guys who dont think it will work, I also have a lot of positive feed back too... so we'll have to run and see what happens...

Those that dont like the sound of it I guess wont be pushing it, thats cool, understand its not everyones cup of tea... but the company are commited to it running, that was decided before they explored the whoel internet money making idea... its original idea was mainly for promotion in a magazine in the uk and to sell mobile media via it... the clean third party billing option open to affilaites is just a add on... if it works great.

Anyways no more arguing, no more reason to tell me I am a idiot... thats just not nice...

Rui · 10-29-2005, 04:54 PM

Sorry to sound rude but this was tried and beaten to dead +6 years ago...now people just need to turn their tv's on and get flooded with craploads of reality shows...

PureTotty · 10-29-2005, 05:00 PM

Rui I am not saying it's original... but surely if the girls are hot... and then you couple that with the interaction and content that will be on the site, it as a chance...

They will be shooting High Definition Video... so the site will have tonns of video... it will also have tonns of pic sets... it will also have daily webcam shows, and I mean webcam shows in addition to the reality side of the site... and other things to give the surfers/members interaction with the girls...

If that was someone elses site I would be pretty impressed... all the ingredients I would look for... I'm not saying it's reinventing the wheel... just think its a really good site... but then maybe I am biased

Dalai lama · 10-29-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui

Sorry to sound rude but this was tried and beaten to dead +6 years ago...now people just need to turn their tv's on and get flooded with craploads of reality shows...

Depends on the person who's running it. It's possible without a doubt.

John Marco · 10-29-2005, 05:28 PM

Explaining $60k/month advertising budget:

1. This does not cover fixed costs. I am not sure what your fixed costs would be for a site like this. It depends on what you pay the girls, etc. but I would surmise that you need a lot of sales to establish an economy of scale for it to be worth it.

2. $60,000/month will get you about 40-50 sign ups per day at that pricing point if you have good ads. If you did a trial or free join you could get more but I think it would work out to about the same as far as ROI goes. That would come to about $40-50 per sign up. The sign ups have to recur before you make money.

At your pricing point: $30 per membership you would make about $30k (after fees) the first month, so would effectively lose, but would see a return in subsequent months. But everyone knows that rebills are what makes money on those types of sites.

I would say that you could probably get about a 30% ROI from paid advertising over a 6 month period.

3. The $10,000/month affiliate budget is a negligble amount that wouldn't see any real return for at least a year, as I noted earlier. If you spent about $10,000/month consistently coupled with a good sales person following up with every affiliate I would guess you could get another 20-30 sales/day from affiliates in a year or so.

Hope this helps. In my opinion, the site is a bad idea because the fixed costs are probably too high without a large sign up base to make them insignificant. If you can get a good economy of scale going it could be good.

John Marco · 10-29-2005, 05:35 PM

Oh, I forgot to mention, it would be 40-50 sales/day starting off but you will get re-joins from people who decided to cancel once they got off but then got horny again and typed your domain back in, and joined that way. After a year of 40-50 sales/day consistently you should get about 5-10 re-signs per day. Then there is mailing your cancelled members to get them to rebill again, etc. So after about a year your figures would look like this:

40-50 sales/day from paid advertising
5-10 sales/day from re-joins
5-10 sales/day from mailing cancelled members
20-30 sales/day from affiliates

There is really a lot to it and if you guys don't have experience on how to jump right in.

Rui · 10-29-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PureTotty

Rui I am not saying it's original... but surely if the girls are hot... and then you couple that with the interaction and content that will be on the site, it as a chance...

They will be shooting High Definition Video... so the site will have tonns of video... it will also have tonns of pic sets... it will also have daily webcam shows, and I mean webcam shows in addition to the reality side of the site... and other things to give the surfers/members interaction with the girls...

If that was someone elses site I would be pretty impressed... all the ingredients I would look for... I'm not saying it's reinventing the wheel... just think its a really good site... but then maybe I am biased

The investment to even try to make this worthwhile would be alot more than $60k

10-29-2005, 05:39 AM	#55
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10-29-2005, 12:56 PM	#83
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10-29-2005, 05:20 AM	#52
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10-29-2005, 05:50 AM	#58
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Go to some sites you think are doing 100 sales. Check the alexa number to determine traffic. Divide by 600. This will get you in the ball park on 90% of the sites. Voyeur you should divide by 1000. The deal with affiliates is 90% do nothing. 10% will make you sales. But even those are not going to 10 sales a day for a month with you. Or even 1 sale a day.

10-29-2005, 06:03 AM	#62
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	You seem to have false impression for many things and even starts from your thread title. (100 sales/day). Why not 69/day or 134/day? What's your monthly membership price gonna be? When you start a serious business plan you consider cost, break-even point, roi, risk and so on factors. Daily sales alone is a totally pointless factor.

10-29-2005, 07:17 AM	#75
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	and i would guess that there are less than 50 people/companies in this biz that do more than 100 joins a day consistently... and there are 1000's that have been trying for years.

10-29-2005, 01:33 PM	#84
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10-29-2005, 02:00 PM	#85
SteveAustin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 7	Ive been around for 8 years and up until 5 months ago was doing 50 siogn ups per day with an ad budget of $2k pr month an donly a few affiliates. Averaged 10k hits a day. Now, since my content has changed to all amateur teen (visa, mc rules made me take down my old stuff) - my traffic has slowed to 4-5k per day and about 10-15 sign ups per day. Im looking to boost traffic, boost affiliates (only have a few good ones) and advertising as well. Once i do this my goal is 25-30 per day and its very possible. Easily. BTW, my site is at forbiddenvideo.com Good luck, 100 per day is gonna be tough but not impossible.

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10-29-2005, 03:14 PM	#88
PureTotty Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 679	Well... I think the site is pretty hot... it's kinda big brother style... 8 top uk girls in a flat... webcammed up... it's not porn... but loads of reality and interaction... Someone said it's been flogged to death... but I certainly aint seen it that much... and certainly not to the level this site is... Guess we will have to see when it comes out... fingers crossed __________________ GREAT NEW SITE TO PROMOTE OTHER GREAT PROGRAMMES TO JOIN !!! ZIP IT PORN BLING PIMPS DURTY CASH

10-29-2005, 03:41 PM	#90
PureTotty Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 679	Hmmm... OK I guess the proof will be in the pooding, they are commited to this site, and hadnt really seen online as a major revenue, so sure they wont be majorly disapointed... They are a saterlitte company and its being run in conjuction with other things they have got in mind for it... including mobile media... so stop stressing its all good... The only site i have seen personally is "WeLiveTogether" I thought that converted and rebilled pretty good... and the interaction and reality of this site will be far better than that site... again maybe I am wrong, remember I aint tryign to wear any baseball caps saying "I'm The Best"... Anyways as I said will have to see what happens... maybe I will wake up from my dream world... and realise all you guys were right... Oh there is a second post cause I just cant get my head round the maths by the way... but will post that seperate... __________________ GREAT NEW SITE TO PROMOTE OTHER GREAT PROGRAMMES TO JOIN !!! ZIP IT PORN BLING PIMPS DURTY CASH

10-29-2005, 03:43 PM	#91
PureTotty Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 679	The Maths... One or two of you guys have suggested $60k as the advertising budget !!! But I am like WTF... the maths dont add up... and this is where I need some help to clarify it for me... If I have a site that does 100 sign ups a day at $30 a throw thats $90k a month... now you have to take the processing fee out of that, lets say thats 13%... so about $12000... leaving $78,000... I then reckon on the affilaites fees... even saying they are really small lets say $10,000... that leaves $68,000... you then have to take out the running costs like content and bandwidth... reckon espcially with the type of site this is will be around $4000... leaving $64k... now by the time you take out your advertising budget of $60,000 then your left with a profit of $4000... Gambling $60k with a view to winning $4000 profit ??? hmmmm... Now I actually then though ah but you get your $60k back... but then you are just reinvesting that back into the traffic/promotions !!! So you never really see it... cause again come the end of the month and you have to take it back out again so this is always rolling back into traffic and promo... heaven forbid you have a bad month !!! So am I missing soemthing here with the maths... ??? Help... I am so confused... __________________ GREAT NEW SITE TO PROMOTE OTHER GREAT PROGRAMMES TO JOIN !!! ZIP IT PORN BLING PIMPS DURTY CASH

10-29-2005, 04:09 PM	#93
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10-29-2005, 04:23 PM	#94
PureTotty Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 679	Pretty Much... but more flesh... yeah pretty much but with more flesh... I thougth guys dug the whoel reality idea... I know they dig the webcam idea... and at the end of the day 8 girls on webcam, webcam shows every night, and tonns of video and pics to boot sounds good to me... So ok I respect the opinions of the guys who dont think it will work, I also have a lot of positive feed back too... so we'll have to run and see what happens... Those that dont like the sound of it I guess wont be pushing it, thats cool, understand its not everyones cup of tea... but the company are commited to it running, that was decided before they explored the whoel internet money making idea... its original idea was mainly for promotion in a magazine in the uk and to sell mobile media via it... the clean third party billing option open to affilaites is just a add on... if it works great. Anyways no more arguing, no more reason to tell me I am a idiot... thats just not nice... __________________ GREAT NEW SITE TO PROMOTE OTHER GREAT PROGRAMMES TO JOIN !!! ZIP IT PORN BLING PIMPS DURTY CASH

10-29-2005, 04:54 PM	#95
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Sorry to sound rude but this was tried and beaten to dead +6 years ago...now people just need to turn their tv's on and get flooded with craploads of reality shows...

10-29-2005, 05:00 PM	#96
PureTotty Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England Posts: 679	Ok... Rui I am not saying it's original... but surely if the girls are hot... and then you couple that with the interaction and content that will be on the site, it as a chance... They will be shooting High Definition Video... so the site will have tonns of video... it will also have tonns of pic sets... it will also have daily webcam shows, and I mean webcam shows in addition to the reality side of the site... and other things to give the surfers/members interaction with the girls... If that was someone elses site I would be pretty impressed... all the ingredients I would look for... I'm not saying it's reinventing the wheel... just think its a really good site... but then maybe I am biased __________________ GREAT NEW SITE TO PROMOTE OTHER GREAT PROGRAMMES TO JOIN !!! ZIP IT PORN BLING PIMPS DURTY CASH Last edited by PureTotty; 10-29-2005 at 05:01 PM..

10-29-2005, 05:28 PM	#98
John Marco Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 912	Explaining $60k/month advertising budget: 1. This does not cover fixed costs. I am not sure what your fixed costs would be for a site like this. It depends on what you pay the girls, etc. but I would surmise that you need a lot of sales to establish an economy of scale for it to be worth it. 2. $60,000/month will get you about 40-50 sign ups per day at that pricing point if you have good ads. If you did a trial or free join you could get more but I think it would work out to about the same as far as ROI goes. That would come to about $40-50 per sign up. The sign ups have to recur before you make money. At your pricing point: $30 per membership you would make about $30k (after fees) the first month, so would effectively lose, but would see a return in subsequent months. But everyone knows that rebills are what makes money on those types of sites. I would say that you could probably get about a 30% ROI from paid advertising over a 6 month period. 3. The $10,000/month affiliate budget is a negligble amount that wouldn't see any real return for at least a year, as I noted earlier. If you spent about $10,000/month consistently coupled with a good sales person following up with every affiliate I would guess you could get another 20-30 sales/day from affiliates in a year or so. Hope this helps. In my opinion, the site is a bad idea because the fixed costs are probably too high without a large sign up base to make them insignificant. If you can get a good economy of scale going it could be good. __________________ WEBCAMS.COM $42+ PPS or revshare ICQ: 476-111 Google Talk: Webcams.com

10-29-2005, 05:35 PM	#99
John Marco Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 912	Oh, I forgot to mention, it would be 40-50 sales/day starting off but you will get re-joins from people who decided to cancel once they got off but then got horny again and typed your domain back in, and joined that way. After a year of 40-50 sales/day consistently you should get about 5-10 re-signs per day. Then there is mailing your cancelled members to get them to rebill again, etc. So after about a year your figures would look like this: 40-50 sales/day from paid advertising 5-10 sales/day from re-joins 5-10 sales/day from mailing cancelled members 20-30 sales/day from affiliates There is really a lot to it and if you guys don't have experience on how to jump right in. __________________ WEBCAMS.COM $42+ PPS or revshare ICQ: 476-111 Google Talk: Webcams.com