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Old 06-20-2008, 09:31 AM   #151
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Look how everyone goes good move guys.

Just one week ago they pulled the nastiest shit you can pull on an affiliate and now under pressure because of money loss they simply have no other choice than to pay the guy and its all good again. Everybody put your links back up.
Truly fucking amazing how this industry works. Really amazing.
This is the reason i only troll around on gfy because you are all fucking morons. Each and everyone of you. Its sad to see. I almost feel sorry for most people here.
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Old 06-20-2008, 09:32 AM   #152
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Glad Chrome got paid, but I'm still not impressed with VS. They showed their true colors in regards to their affiliates and this is just a move to save ass.
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Old 06-20-2008, 09:32 AM   #153
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Glad Chrome got paid, but I'm still not impressed with VS. They showed their true colors in regards to their affiliates and this is just a move to save ass.
Funny how easy it is to see yet 90% of the people in this thread are clueless.
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Old 06-20-2008, 09:46 AM   #154
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"Stand up guys" don't have to be forced to do the right thing. A thief that returns something he was caught stealing is still a thief.
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Old 06-20-2008, 09:49 AM   #155
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and thats how you kill a drama lama, with a fucking RPG.

Right on guys, you definitely did the right thing.......
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I trust Greg and Chuck and Brad and the whole team at VS.

A positive move would be to invite all of you to the mansion in December. Hopefully, I will see you there.
i dont trust any of them. not very cool of them to cast aside people who helped build the company from scratch then claim it was all their ideas. esp when 2 of them could barely use a computer at the time.
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This reminds me of the first Chris Rock special.

"******'s always take credit for something they're supposed to do."

"I take care of my kids"


"All of our affiliates will get paid for life when they are promoting Lifetime Revshare"

Good Times.
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Old 06-20-2008, 10:12 AM   #159
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Love it.. first they take the screw the affiliate approach.

Then it's the get the post deleted approach..

Finally after neither works they do what should have been done in the first place..

What was the master card commercial.... "priceless"


Now of course they are "stand up guys and a top notch company..
THIS is the point. They did whatever they could do to make sure they make some extra profit by not paying that affiliate, when nothing worked .. they tried undoing the shit.

top notch? hell yeah.
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Old 06-20-2008, 10:19 AM   #160
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Brad should be fired also. From what people said (him doing same in AC), it looks like he's behind the whole drama?
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Look how everyone goes good move guys.

Just one week ago they pulled the nastiest shit you can pull on an affiliate and now under pressure because of money loss they simply have no other choice than to pay the guy and its all good again. Everybody put your links back up.
Truly fucking amazing how this industry works. Really amazing.
This is the reason i only troll around on gfy because you are all fucking morons. Each and everyone of you. Its sad to see. I almost feel sorry for most people here.
Manager, I am with you this time.
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Look how everyone goes good move guys.

Just one week ago they pulled the nastiest shit you can pull on an affiliate and now under pressure because of money loss they simply have no other choice than to pay the guy and its all good again. Everybody put your links back up.
Truly fucking amazing how this industry works. Really amazing.
This is the reason i only troll around on gfy because you are all fucking morons. Each and everyone of you. Its sad to see. I almost feel sorry for most people here.
quoted for truth, how some people can keep a straight face and look themselves in the mirror amazes me
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but ill say this

Im happy the guy is getting his lifetime payment back but still leaves a supperr bad taste in my mouth in regards to how they run things

if chrome just took the beating this could of happend to tons of other people
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Old 06-20-2008, 10:27 AM   #165
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This thread is fucking hilarious. People actually complimenting VS for returning someone's money that they thought they could get away with stealing. It says a lot about the ethics of the people doing the back patting. I wouldn't have thought that some of the names in this thread could be equated to the scum that infests the adult side of online marketing but I guess you learn something new everyday.

Should make for great comedic fodder though when some of them come on here in the future complaining about getting ripped off; everyone can just laugh at them as karma's a bitch.


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Old 06-20-2008, 10:31 AM   #166
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but ill say this

Im happy the guy is getting his lifetime payment back but still leaves a supperr bad taste in my mouth in regards to how they run things

if chrome just took the beating this could of happend to tons of other people
Who's to say that others haven't? VS could have avoided this whole mess by simply ending the rebills in their stats ; chrome would have been none the wiser. Whats stopping them from doing that in the future? Their word?

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Who's to say that others haven't? VS could have avoided this whole mess by simply ending the rebills in their stats ; chrome would have been none the wiser. Whats stopping them from doing that in the future? Their word?
If they were caught stealing in classic stealth shaving fashion that would of have really been the end of VS. Lets give them credit for not being that shady.

They made a bad decision that was unfair to an affiliate and it bit them in the ass.

Now watch, the whale that chrome has referred to VS will get hit by a truck and thus ending the rebills and thus raising suspicion.
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If they were caught stealing in classic stealth shaving fashion that would of have really been the end of VS. Lets give them credit for not being that shady.

They made a bad decision that was unfair to an affiliate and it bit them in the ass.

Now watch, the whale that chrome has referred to VS will get hit by a truck and thus ending the rebills and thus raising suspicion.
If they did that though then certain people wouldn't get their performance bonus for increasing the companies revenue/profit; well you get the idea.
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good stuff brad
Look at these 2 asskissers. Always the same people in these kinda of threads saying the same things. Phoenix can kiss ass like no other. Phoenix, Jman, Brad Gosse..oh man, can you imagine those 3 together at a convention...
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and thats how you kill a drama lama, with a fucking RPG.

Right on guys, you definitely did the right thing.......
are you out of your fucking mind?

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i was gonna run a vs photoshop contest, what a waste now :/
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Look at these 2 asskissers. Always the same people in these kinda of threads saying the same things. Phoenix can kiss ass like no other. Phoenix, Jman, Brad Gosse..oh man, can you imagine those 3 together at a convention...
Sorry we don't treat our businesses like high school. I have been in this too long to burn bridges with companies I work with.
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Old 06-20-2008, 12:21 PM   #174
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Exactly...youre a 2 faced asskisser with no backbone. But business is business right.
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Sorry we don't treat our businesses like high school. I have been in this too long to burn bridges with companies I work with.
Its quite amazing that you actually admit it. Unbelievable. You have no shame whatsoever. Like someone else said how the fuck can you look in the mirror without getting sick.
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Sorry we don't treat our businesses like high school. I have been in this too long to burn bridges with companies I work with.

Those guys over there at Enron are top notch
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Its quite amazing that you actually admit it. Unbelievable. You have no shame whatsoever. Like someone else said how the fuck can you look in the mirror without getting sick.


That Hitler he is a stand up guy
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Do you want to talk about how professional "money for nothing" was ?
Why should I? Obviously I disagreed with it as well. Do you want to talk about why you are trying to keep fanning flames on a fire that has been put out already?
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Taking the time to compliment someone because they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and then decided to put the cookie back sounds pretty high schoolish . Kind of like when some kid continually compliments the cool clique at high school in the hopes that they'll let him hang out with them; in your case you're looking for more business.

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That would have involved saying something negative about them. Saying nothing wouldn't have burned any bridges.
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Old 06-20-2008, 12:40 PM   #181
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Hi everyone, I just wanted to post my update with everything that has taken place recently. Excellent news! Video Secrets contacted me and we've completely resolved all issues 100% and my account is being paid in full up to date and my account is being placed back into the active status where I will continue to earn commissions on all of my referrals for life!

I just wanted to thank the community for coming together and supporting a fellow webmaster like everyone here did. I would also like to recognize and thank Video Secrets for working with me to resolve this matter. Video Secrets has always been an excellent company to work with and I would absolutely now recommend anyone and everyone to continue working with them or start working with them if you are not already. As everyone witnessed here....their program performs exceptionally well. I've personally made a lot of money with them and their client retention is second to none (which is a must from an affiliates stand point for lifetime revshare) and I'm excited to continue earning with them for the lifetime of my referrals.

We definitely hit a speed bump in working together, but from day one as everyone here knows....I never wished negativity upon Video Secrets. I simply wanted help in resolving our issues and that's what I got. I personally want to request that all of the negativity towards Video Secrets and its employees stops for good. I hope everyone will restore complete respect and trust for Video Secrets for stepping up to the plate and putting our differences aside and closing this issue in a positive manner.

Again, thank you to everyone here for your continued support and lets please welcome back Video Secrets as the first class, stand up company that you can count on.
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Hi everyone, I just wanted to post my update with everything that has taken place recently. Excellent news! Video Secrets contacted me and we've completely resolved all issues 100% and my account is being paid in full up to date and my account is being placed back into the active status where I will continue to earn commissions on all of my referrals for life!

I just wanted to thank the community for coming together and supporting a fellow webmaster like everyone here did. I would also like to recognize and thank Video Secrets for working with me to resolve this matter. Video Secrets has always been an excellent company to work with and I would absolutely now recommend anyone and everyone to continue working with them or start working with them if you are not already. As everyone witnessed here....their program performs exceptionally well. I've personally made a lot of money with them and their client retention is second to none (which is a must from an affiliates stand point for lifetime revshare) and I'm excited to continue earning with them for the lifetime of my referrals.

We definitely hit a speed bump in working together, but from day one as everyone here knows....I never wished negativity upon Video Secrets. I simply wanted help in resolving our issues and that's what I got. I personally want to request that all of the negativity towards Video Secrets and its employees stops for good. I hope everyone will restore complete respect and trust for Video Secrets for stepping up to the plate and putting our differences aside and closing this issue in a positive manner.

Again, thank you to everyone here for your continued support and lets please welcome back Video Secrets as the first class, stand up company that you can count on.

Very nice comments...Glad it worked out. Sounds like you and VS are back on track. Good job. ... J
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Over the past 8 days many of you were witness to a long and sometimes heated thread regarding our decision to suspend an affiliate account for lack of activity. Many of you disagreed with our policy and made your opinions quite clear. While we will continue to hope that sending an affiliate thousands of dollars a month warrants continued promotion we have decided to amend our Terms & Conditions in favor of a LIFETIME PAYOUT.

The affiliate in question will receive any and all monies that were withheld for the 7 months his account was in suspension. In addition, he will continue to receive his commissions on a monthly basis as long as the customer he referred continues to make purchases; regardless of whether he sends another click.

We have posted an amendment to our Terms & Conditions clearly stating that we will not suspend an account for lack of promotional activity.


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It has been said that decisions are always correct when you make them, but they can stop being correct soon thereafter. In this case it?s clear that what is in the best interest of Video Secrets, our thousands of performers and our affiliates is a policy which goes out of its way to pay affiliates for life.

We hope that those of you who made some very out of line personal attacks in the other threads will think twice before doing that again. There are always two sides to every controversy and while the wheels of progress sometimes move slowly we feel they have stopped on a positive outcome for all.

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I do not think it is necessary to keep face stomping VS at this point. THey revised there TOS, they discussed the problem with Chrome and reinstated Chrome.

I really do not think it is necessary to continue to berat VS

VS got the balls to change themselves over this matter rather than have pride over come them. It was a mature thing to do and most importantly manned up to fixing the error in front of everyone here.

Many of you goto admit 9 times out of 10 no one mans up in this business and admits mistakes, nor puts an effort to correct a problem, they usually run off to the sunset with a handful of money doing flip off signs the whole way.

VS has been here since a little after I started in this business and the whole time they been playing the field they have done outstanding business, they retain and entertain audiences that keep recurring.

You can use Chromes case in this as an example. The guy sent a client to them many many many years ago and he still collects money. I can not think of many programs doing that for webmasters as most companies are here and gone in this business within 5 years.

I applaud VS for changing things around even if it was a bad bad call they still changed to fix the situation.

If you think they bowed just because of board pressure think again. I thought it was the beginning of an exit strategy for VS. The termination of Chrome was significant for more reasons than just Chrome alone. It signified a possible exit plan which bothered me more. I figured Chrome was to be the first of many.

Because in my conspiracy Not only chrome would have been cut but many others as VS would attempt to shore up income before closing shop. Obviosuly VS is not going that route by reinstating Chrome.

So think about it.

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" I applaud VS for changing things around even if it was a bad bad call they still changed to fix the situation. "

AlienQ, I agree with all your comments , VS turned a very bad situation back in the right direction and Chrome seems happy.
But, your art work was still pretty kick ass.
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So it took you 10 pages of people saying they will pull their links to pay this guy out. Fucking scumbag piece of shit. And everyone who suddenly say "well done bro's" can suck my nutballs too. Its clear they are fucking scumbags and simply wanted to keep that guys money. Now that they found out theyre losing way more from the pulled links they suddenly play the good guys. Shit makes me sick.
It won't change much anyways, VS since last week is the last compagny I'd use for cams after the other zango using scumbags... The fact that they corrected the problem after public flaming don't change that there is something wrong with their ethics.
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I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:23 PM   #190
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might have had somethign to do with this outcome
The decline begins on the 11th, the same day the original thread was posted.

And here some people said that GFY had no power.
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:40 PM   #191
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they did do what was right, but it took a thread getting 20,000 views, and 100's of webmasters pulling links, which shouldnt have happened.

but good for everyone involved.
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Old 06-20-2008, 08:12 PM   #192
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Look how everyone goes good move guys.

Just one week ago they pulled the nastiest shit you can pull on an affiliate and now under pressure because of money loss they simply have no other choice than to pay the guy and its all good again. Everybody put your links back up.
Truly fucking amazing how this industry works. Really amazing.
This is the reason i only troll around on gfy because you are all fucking morons. Each and everyone of you. Its sad to see. I almost feel sorry for most people here.
I agree with you quite often but not how you go about doing it. fuck em, this shit goes on all day long
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Old 06-20-2008, 08:25 PM   #193
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

good job GFY! the angry mob wins!

that must have been hysterical when the traffic dropped and the Eastern Euro cam whores up in arms

'Mr Brad what happens to all the American loser use be in my room, I need stick fist in poosey for private time loser to pay for the school! What you did Mr Brad!!! Fock you!!! I go fock myself for the Live Jasmin now bye bye!"
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Old 06-20-2008, 09:58 PM   #195
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That's really great that you guys decided to do the right thing. Glad to hear it.
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Old 06-20-2008, 10:47 PM   #196
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So it took you 10 pages of people saying they will pull their links to pay this guy out. Fucking scumbag piece of shit. And everyone who suddenly say "well done bro's" can suck my nutballs too. Its clear they are fucking scumbags and simply wanted to keep that guys money. Now that they found out theyre losing way more from the pulled links they suddenly play the good guys. Shit makes me sick.
Exactly, and if people continue doing business with them now it is sending a message to all sponsors that they always have a 'get out of jail free' card when they are caught stealing from affiliates.
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VS got the balls to change themselves over this matter rather than have pride over come them. It was a mature thing to do and most importantly manned up to fixing the error in front of everyone here.
They got their balls squeezed hard by a lot of united webmasters, that's what they got.
They should have solved the problem with Chrome on first reply and not first after 8 days of bad PR and censorship by their cocksucking bro's. That would have been mature.

Instead they came up with a stupid arrogant "money for nothing" approach.
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Instead they came up with a stupid arrogant "money for nothing" approach.
"money for nothing" comment is most hilarious and most retarded thing I have ever heard from a self-proclaimed 5.5 years experienced affiliate manager. lol ...
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This is a rare feat for us affiliates. Way to go guys. You won't see this happen in a long time. We always seem to lose nowadays. This was quite a miracle to read about. Amazing that so many big time affiliates pulled their links like that...
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