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Cory W · 07-16-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Umm, actually the last person I spooned didn't like it too much, but you can ask him, Cory is very forthcoming of the experience.

haha Oh man, best manparty ever.

SteveLightspeed · 07-16-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Quentin

How about this show pricing plan? For those in our industry, the model should sound familiar....

The show costs $30 to get 8 feet inside the door, and then another $142 dollars if you want to see the whole show.

In addition to the full show upgrade option, by default you are signed up for two other shows for the low price of $99 each, unless you opt out of those shows.

The $99 registration for the other two shows is then billed to you automatically for all subsequent editions of those two shows, unless or until you cancel.

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

stickyfingerz · 07-16-2008, 04:43 PM

So is everyone all smiles again? I got screered...

fuzebox · 07-16-2008, 04:48 PM

Maybe this question will disappear on 4th page, but I'll throw it out there anyway.

Why should an affiliate go to shows? Let's pick the average full time webmaster, has a bunch of sites, submits galleries, trades traffic, etc, has been doing this 2-4 years, makes a respectable middle to upper class salary working out of home. Isn't this who everyone wants at their shows?

Why should they go? What's in it for them, other for them to get spammed at by reps (as if there isn't enough of that on GFY)

MeganS · 07-16-2008, 04:52 PM

[QUOTE=stickyfingerz;14468509]So is everyone all smiles again? I got screered...

[QUOTE]

FUCK YES THE STUPID CAT PICTURES ARE BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cory W · 07-16-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Maybe this question will disappear on 4th page, but I'll throw it out there anyway.

Why should an affiliate go to shows? Let's pick the average full time webmaster, has a bunch of sites, submits galleries, trades traffic, etc, has been doing this 2-4 years, makes a respectable middle to upper class salary working out of home. Isn't this who everyone wants at their shows?

Why should they go? What's in it for them, other for them to get spammed at by reps (as if there isn't enough of that on GFY)

I have a great answer for this, but I am about to head out...I will check back later.

Connor · 07-16-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Maybe this question will disappear on 4th page, but I'll throw it out there anyway.

Why should an affiliate go to shows? Let's pick the average full time webmaster, has a bunch of sites, submits galleries, trades traffic, etc, has been doing this 2-4 years, makes a respectable middle to upper class salary working out of home. Isn't this who everyone wants at their shows?

Why should they go? What's in it for them, other for them to get spammed at by reps (as if there isn't enough of that on GFY)

1) Might learn something at seminars, 2) networking in person builds contacts and relationships, 3) it's fun.... parties.

There are additional reasons... but I've been in the industry since 1997 and I always attend a bunch of shows every year. It's often worth the expense.

MeganS · 07-16-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KRosh

Cory,

Mike just called and said you have been removed from the dinner invite list. Looks like Megan will be Mike's date.

You guys can't just pass me around on GFY like it's some sort of Polish Gangbang!!

Ask first ... sheesh ....

So far Cory is winning .. i get never ending breadsticks with his offer

xoxo,
Megan

TheAmericanCannibal · 07-16-2008, 05:05 PM

threads like these make me really miss the BROMASTER

Megan Max from TMZ sends his love- and says " get it girl!"

Jon B · 07-16-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dodger21

there are some fucking retarded posts in this thread....whats wrong with you?

thats a good one we need to get the shirts for next show!!

Cory W · 07-16-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SWorldMegan

You guys can't just pass me around on GFY like it's some sort of Polish Gangbang!!

Ask first ... sheesh ....

So far Cory is winning .. i get never ending breadsticks with his offer

xoxo,
Megan

The last breadstick of the night is the best. But it ends, some times quicker than I'd like. : )

Due · 07-16-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Maybe this question will disappear on 4th page, but I'll throw it out there anyway.

Why should an affiliate go to shows? Let's pick the average full time webmaster, has a bunch of sites, submits galleries, trades traffic, etc, has been doing this 2-4 years, makes a respectable middle to upper class salary working out of home. Isn't this who everyone wants at their shows?

Why should they go? What's in it for them, other for them to get spammed at by reps (as if there isn't enough of that on GFY)

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Originally Posted by Connor

1) Might learn something at seminars, 2) networking in person builds contacts and relationships, 3) it's fun.... parties.

There are additional reasons... but I've been in the industry since 1997 and I always attend a bunch of shows every year. It's often worth the expense.

4) new deals (higher payouts, special tours etc etc) is many times easier to work out in person
5) new business / ideas
6) as already mentioned networking, a lot of people attend that normally not post on GFY
It's a good way to get more personal with people you already do business with as well, that bring new business opportunities.
If you find it satisfying and you reached your goal earning a middle to upper class salary, working from home, then you probably have no reason to attend, if you wanna take it to the next level you would likely need to meet with people

That's my personal experience, may not be the same for everybody

Sly · 07-16-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Maybe this question will disappear on 4th page, but I'll throw it out there anyway.

Why should an affiliate go to shows? Let's pick the average full time webmaster, has a bunch of sites, submits galleries, trades traffic, etc, has been doing this 2-4 years, makes a respectable middle to upper class salary working out of home. Isn't this who everyone wants at their shows?

Why should they go? What's in it for them, other for them to get spammed at by reps (as if there isn't enough of that on GFY)

Well... I'm not a balling affiliate... but I can think of at least five different times where going to a show has paid off significantly. Trades, tips, better listings, better rates, etc.

Meeting people can help out significantly... even to affiliates...

Plus I got to meet you! that is worth millions alone.

datatank · 07-16-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Maybe this question will disappear on 4th page, but I'll throw it out there anyway.

Why should an affiliate go to shows? Let's pick the average full time webmaster, has a bunch of sites, submits galleries, trades traffic, etc, has been doing this 2-4 years, makes a respectable middle to upper class salary working out of home. Isn't this who everyone wants at their shows?

Why should they go? What's in it for them, other for them to get spammed at by reps (as if there isn't enough of that on GFY)

To drink on the program owners tabs and ask for higher payouts?

MichaelP · 07-16-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PamiebDVD

Alec made a smart marketing move by introducing the free registrations for XBIZ Summer. People were (and still are, as evident by the page count of this post) definitely talking about it...and people took action by signing up and attending. Isn't that what good marketing is about? Regardless of your ability to "afford" to purchase a badge or register for free, it was thinking that was "out of the box" and differentiated this show from the others that are competing for attendance for the rest of the year.

Many large industry shows (not the adult industry) offer free registrations for attendees. The thinking being, the more attendees, the more chance a sponsor has to meet with a potential client. How the sponsor chooses to handle the attendees and those opportunities, is up to them. If you look at CES, they offer free registrations for attendees for all exhibits and seminars, up to a certain date. Beyond that time, there is a staggered deadline in which the registration price goes up. When checking in, on site, you must show 2 forms of id - 1 is a photo id and the second is an id that verifies that oyou are part of the industry (paystub, biz card, etc.). Something like this could easily be done in the adult industry.

Something else that is commonly done, in other industry shows, is the same registration process as above, but then sponsors also receive admission badges that can be given out by them. So if you miss the free cutoff date, you need to contact a show sponsor to get a free admission pass. A great opportunity for programs to meet up with potential affiliates before the show. Onsite registration procedures still apply - to verify the attendee.

Any parties that go on, in conjunction with the show, are generally thrown by individual companies, just like in adult. These are invite only. You get a ticket/pass or you don't get in. There's no reason this can't be done here as well.

I agree 75% with what you said above. I've been the first to be happy to get free registration for the show an I thank them

The other 25% : Where our industry is VERY different from meainstream's though is that we deal with Tits & Ass and that's why we need to heavily filter who is getting inside. That's where a registration fee help to do that. XBiz is HUGE and they can afford it, good for them, I'm more than happy for them and I wish one day I can do the same...

That being said : Nobody care about an accountant convention unless they're accountant themselves, but when it comes to sex in any form, some people will do almost ANYTHING just to get in with the thought that our shows are simply big orgies where they can do anything they want with "our" girls, which of course is not the case even for insiders...

So big companies in the biz can afford to do "free" shows for everyone, thanks to huge sponsorships and also to huge revenues already from their core business which is not running shows...

As being a small show here, we can't afford (yet) to do a FREE FOR ALL show, but we do our very best to make sure that every attendees, sponsors and exhibitors have the best return on their money as possible. So in the end the Free show is not always the less expensive as someone else highlighted

Love you all

FightThisPatent · 07-16-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SWorldMegan

So far Cory is winning .. i get never ending breadsticks with his offer

sheeesh.. don't my chocolate covered nuts count for anything?!?!?!?!??!

Fight the M&M!

Anthony · 07-16-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Well... I'm not a balling affiliate... but I can think of at least five different times where going to a show has paid off significantly. Trades, tips, better listings, better rates, etc.

Meeting people can help out significantly... even to affiliates...

Plus I got to meet you! that is worth millions alone.

One day my friend, I will get to meet you. I keep my fingers crossed.

FightThisPatent · 07-16-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Quentin

How about this show pricing plan? For those in our industry, the model should sound familiar....

The show costs $30 to get 8 feet inside the door, and then another $142 dollars if you want to see the whole show.

In addition to the full show upgrade option, by default you are signed up for two other shows for the low price of $99 each, unless you opt out of those shows.

The $99 registration for the other two shows is then billed to you automatically for all subsequent editions of those two shows, unless or until you cancel.

brilliant!

and don't forget to include:

- under-reporting the signups so that money can be pocketed (shaving)

- over-hyping what is on the outside in the "tour" (bad marketing)

- stealing booths from other conventions to fill up the floor (copyright infringement)

Fight the analogies!

KRosh · 07-16-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelP

I agree 75% with what you said above. I've been the first to be happy to get free registration for the show an I thank them

The other 25% : Where our industry is VERY different from meainstream's though is that we deal with Tits & Ass and that's why we need to heavily filter who is getting inside. That's where a registration fee help to do that. XBiz is HUGE and they can afford it, good for them, I'm more than happy for them and I wish one day I can do the same...

That being said : Nobody care about an accountant convention unless they're accountant themselves, but when it comes to sex in any form, some people will do almost ANYTHING just to get in with the thought that our shows are simply big orgies where they can do anything they want with "our" girls, which of course is not the case even for insiders...

So big companies in the biz can afford to do "free" shows for everyone, thanks to huge sponsorships and also to huge revenues already from their core business which is not running shows...

As being a small show here, we can't afford (yet) to do a FREE FOR ALL show, but we do our very best to make sure that every attendees, sponsors and exhibitors have the best return on their money as possible. So in the end the Free show is not always the less expensive as someone else highlighted

Love you all

It is not just accounting trade shows that allow for free access - CES - AD Tech etc.

Charging an entrance fee does not curb the riff raff. I promoted clubs for many years, back when $5 was too much of a cover we were charging $20 and still had the most violence out of any club in Seattle till finally the city decided to shut the club down by paying off the owners to leave.

JFK mentioned all the problems we have had in the past with shows were good money was paid to get in. Laptops stolen, money stolen, cameras stolen, fights etc.

Bottom line is what you said Michael - If you are promoting a trade show and you do not have the sponsor backing like some of the larger shows then you need the entrance fee to make it profitable.

AdultB2B · 07-16-2008, 06:56 PM

Man, can't we all just get along

. Seriously though, although the XBiz show had big numbers, the quality of business conducted in San Francisco at Cybernet was definitely higher. I made plenty of contacts in Vegas, but the biggest problem with that show is that most everyone is outside in Cabanas where it's hotter then hell. Not exactly conducive for holding a business meeting. I had to encourage the people who I met with to come inside. I know Starbuck's appreciated it! I went outside a few times and hated it. And I live in Thailand half the year.

And no, a registration fee wouldn't have kept me away and I agree that if you're serious you will pay to attend a show. You pay anyway. Vegas must be the most expensive city in the world.

tony286 · 07-16-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KRosh

It is not just accounting trade shows that allow for free access - CES - AD Tech etc.

Charging an entrance fee does not curb the riff raff. I promoted clubs for many years, back when $5 was too much of a cover we were charging $20 and still had the most violence out of any club in Seattle till finally the city decided to shut the club down by paying off the owners to leave.

JFK mentioned all the problems we have had in the past with shows were good money was paid to get in. Laptops stolen, money stolen, cameras stolen, fights etc.

Bottom line is what you said Michael - If you are promoting a trade show and you do not have the sponsor backing like some of the larger shows then you need the entrance fee to make it profitable.

I agree the fee hasnt stopped all the shit that has happened over the years. You can screen use as good if not better for free and I think a screened crowd may be smaller but worth more to sponsors in theory.

mpahlca · 07-16-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by media

I thought it was a good show.. With attendance dropping at alot of the shows I think the free registration is a good incentive to get more people there that normally would not show up..

I miss the good ole days of the two story booths and thousands and thousands of attendees.. those were the crazy days..

Two shows a year made a big difference now there is one a month

JFK · 07-16-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by media

Remember there WAS a stabbing outside the hotel in New Orleans years back.. had nothing to do with attendees, but I guess life in general is dangerous.. lol..

Next time I goto a show I'm bringin a bullet proof vest and a helmet...

Seriously, I liked the free badges, its harder to recoup your investment as the person throwing the show, but the sponsors pay that in the end.. if you want to make the big splash and have the booth or cabana then go for it..

I personally feel alot of shows do a shit job and forget the little man, we need affilaites, we know all the program owners and reps already.. We need to do new business, not business with the same 40 or 50 people we already do business with.. lol..

I'm all for bringing new blood to the shows..

I agree

"we need affilaites, we know all the program owners and reps already.. We need to do new business, not business with the same 40 or 50 people we already do business with.. lol.."

I'm all for bringing new blood to the shows..[/QUOTE]

fuzebox · 07-16-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

To drink on the program owners tabs and ask for higher payouts?

Well that's why I go

I was trying to play devils advocate. Most shows I've been to I have only met maybe 1-2 other people who are only affiliates and not also starting their own programs or b2b services.

ericdv · 07-16-2008, 07:27 PM

couple few about free badges, which i think are a bad idea...

1) the cost for badges for adult shows is still many times lower than the cost for badges to mainstream shows. ever bought a badge to an seo or mainstream marketing show? those go for $1-2k depending on how many days you want to stay for. compare that to a $300 badge to internext where you get all the booze you can drink. i will easily be drinking at least $300 of free booze at internext.

2) if you can't afford the $300 badge price to a show, you need to re-evaluate your setup. i get it... yes to some newbies $300 is a lot to pay, but if you leave a show without producing at least $300 worth of business that you wouldn't have done had you not attended, you are doing something wrong. seriously. if you put your all into any show you will come out with more business than you know what to do with. *investing* a few hundred bucks to do this business should not be a problem for you.

3) badges that cost something keep civilians out and also *lock people into going* i went to xbiz and noticed a few things. first, a lot of civilians. these people had no clue about the industry, and while i'm all for meeting new contacts, i don't want to talk to a dude who has only 'thought' about starting a 'cool porn website.' second, the turnout at xbiz was not what i expected. i'm sure that 1200 plus people registered like xbiz says, but how many of these people backed out at the last minute because they didn't have to worry about losing their registration fee? my guess is lots since the scene by the pool was not crowded at all both days and other show functions weren't packed.

last year i remember both afternoons by the pool were packed with awesome music and frisbee throwing. i went out there in the afternoon both days and that place was empty. nothing going on. don't blame it on the heat cause it was just as hot last year.

i thought xbiz was good over all and xbiz shows are always super well organized so i'm not knocking anyone, but i think that free badges are bad and that the show would have been better had registration been paid.

halfpint · 07-16-2008, 07:28 PM

Somebody should start a show over here in the UK. Its kinda expensive to fly out to the USA just for a show. Would be nice to get all the UK webmasters together with some program owners from the USA and the UK

halfpint · 07-16-2008, 07:34 PM

Would even be nice to have live cams or something hooked up to the shows in the USA for us poor affliates that cant get over their at least we could talk to some of the program owners and other webmasters..and get to see all of the fun you guys have

CE Adam · 07-16-2008, 07:44 PM

Wow...I just read through the entire thread and found some very salient points among the inevitable interwoven drama.

All here should bear in mind that the companies that create and operate any show or industry event have specific objectives for them which are typically revenue-oriented, although they may different (i.e. branding, product launch, etc). The goals of these shows are set by the organizers and are not necessarily made public and in order to attain them it may/may not be necessary to charge a registration fee, which is at their discretion.

This business is tremendously fragmented and each show draws a somewhat different segment of attendees so, in my opinion, they are really about what the show attendee makes of them. For many webmasters, shows offer one of the only opportunities to hang out with their industry peers, where for others they are a venue to get off their keyboard and do a little partying. It all depends on what the individual's objectives are and if they do/don't want to pay for that access it's their choice.

In many industries, it is standard practice to charge an admission fee to cover costs for the venue at the very least. Also, some shows mentioned here i.e. AdTech or SES will offer a free Exhibits Only registration which is basically the same as a limited access membership. If you want to attend the conferences and workshops there is a significant additional cost.

Most of the parties are invite-only and require a wristband of sorts which is provided by the sponsors and/or show organizers. This practice effectively keeps out the majority of party-crashers but is not 100% effective.

Our industry differs a bit in the sense that non-industry people are drawn by the opportunity to see/meet adult performers, which is why it makes sense for shows like AEE to have Industry Only hours and Fan hours. CES is a consumer-oriented show where the exhibitors are seeking to directly interface with the end-user, whereas adult online shows do not want the consumer present.

Ideally, we would see and meet a lot more of the webmasters at shows, but as stated, it seems many of them do not want to be bombarded by affiliate reps there which is unfortunate because I have found in my 15 years of marketing that face-to-face contact is the best way to create and solidify relationships no matter what the industry.

But that's just my 2 cents.

xxxdesign-net · 07-16-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Pueblo

Oh look, the chief scientist of retarded shit has arrived.

american pervert · 07-16-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

I am and I will...

PS- Don't keep telling people I am a douchebag, when you know I just played one on TV.

I learned a long time ago when people talk negative about others, it only drives the people who they are speaking to closer to the fire.

I learned that when I shit talked the car dealer across the street from my car dealership when I was 21.

everytime I called the guys across the street douchebags...I lost the sale.

sheeeeet, i call ppl douche bags all the time

not you, you're a scum bag ;-))

TheAmericanCannibal · 07-16-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

sheeeeet, i call ppl douche bags all the time

not you, you're a scum bag ;-))

But I am the most famous scumbag you hang out with-

Besides I am more of a WN anyway

Peaches · 07-16-2008, 10:19 PM

I wish I had a dime for the "new guys in the business" that I've met over the last 10 years I've been going to shows and how many of them are still around. Lots of big dreams get dragged around a convention but then you never see those people again. Heck, most of the people I met at my first show in Miami (which actually may have been 9 years ago) are either retired, broke or don't attend shows any more. I'm all three ;)

NETbilling · 07-17-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Connor

Hey Mitch -

In addition to everything I said before regarding why I'm skeptical of free badges... no matter how much D-Money disagree. ;)

Something for you to consider. At the end of the day, the people who are running these shows (like YNOT, AVN, etc) need to make sure the COST of running the shows is covered. It's not a simple matter to organize shows like these... there's a lot on the line, and you want everyone to have a good and profitable time, feel like the show was worth attending, etc. Nobody in their right mind is going to run a show at a big loss. It just makes no sense. And I think we all would agree that the people who run these shows SHOULD at least cover their own costs.

The only serious ways to do that is through sponsorships and registrations. So, if you make the registrations free, that means you have to shift the burden of cost over to the sponsors. And since most sponsors get hit up to sponsor a ton of shows each year, is that really appropriate? It's also getting harder for the sponsors, and if they drop out, NONE of us will have shows to attend.

I totally agree about keeping costs as low as possible. That's been the approach at Cybernet for years now. That's why we've been a regular event in June for many, many years, and will be back next June as well. We had hotel rooms for WELL under $200 in San Francisco. Low badge costs for advance registration.

AND.... we also made sure our sponsors weren't soaked, because they too need to see some ROI.

Connor,

You guys have always done a great job at keeping costs low. $150 rooms and low cost admission surely did the trick and you guys had a great Cybernet in San Fran. I loved it. Of course you guys have to make a profit. Otherwise, there is no reason to go through the painstaking process of putting together an event. We see this on a smaller scale with the Porn Poker Tour events that we organize. All I am saying is that with the dozen or so main shows going on every year now, you guys need to bring in attendees.... at whatever it takes to do so.

JFK · 07-17-2008, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ScrewBucks

Wow...I just read through the entire thread and found some very salient points among the inevitable interwoven drama.

All here should bear in mind that the companies that create and operate any show or industry event have specific objectives for them which are typically revenue-oriented, although they may different (i.e. branding, product launch, etc). The goals of these shows are set by the organizers and are not necessarily made public and in order to attain them it may/may not be necessary to charge a registration fee, which is at their discretion.

This business is tremendously fragmented and each show draws a somewhat different segment of attendees so, in my opinion, they are really about what the show attendee makes of them. For many webmasters, shows offer one of the only opportunities to hang out with their industry peers, where for others they are a venue to get off their keyboard and do a little partying. It all depends on what the individual's objectives are and if they do/don't want to pay for that access it's their choice.

In many industries, it is standard practice to charge an admission fee to cover costs for the venue at the very least. Also, some shows mentioned here i.e. AdTech or SES will offer a free Exhibits Only registration which is basically the same as a limited access membership. If you want to attend the conferences and workshops there is a significant additional cost.

Most of the parties are invite-only and require a wristband of sorts which is provided by the sponsors and/or show organizers. This practice effectively keeps out the majority of party-crashers but is not 100% effective.

Our industry differs a bit in the sense that non-industry people are drawn by the opportunity to see/meet adult performers, which is why it makes sense for shows like AEE to have Industry Only hours and Fan hours. CES is a consumer-oriented show where the exhibitors are seeking to directly interface with the end-user, whereas adult online shows do not want the consumer present.

Ideally, we would see and meet a lot more of the webmasters at shows, but as stated, it seems many of them do not want to be bombarded by affiliate reps there which is unfortunate because I have found in my 15 years of marketing that face-to-face contact is the best way to create and solidify relationships no matter what the industry.

But that's just my 2 cents.

Sorry man , but CES show does not allow the public at large. The attendees are retailers, wholesalers or in the business in one way or another

RyuLion · 07-17-2008, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Voodoo

When is AVN going to start giving away free passes?

CE Adam · 07-17-2008, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JFK

Sorry man , but CES show does not allow the public at large. The attendees are retailers, wholesalers or in the business in one way or another

Point taken. They always let me in though with just a business card and checking the 'e-commerce' box

MeganS · 07-17-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

threads like these make me really miss the BROMASTER

Megan Max from TMZ sends his love- and says " get it girl!"

Ohhhh KB you are my fucking Hero!!!!

xoxo,
Megan

tony286 · 07-17-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ericdv

couple few about free badges, which i think are a bad idea...

1) the cost for badges for adult shows is still many times lower than the cost for badges to mainstream shows. ever bought a badge to an seo or mainstream marketing show? those go for $1-2k depending on how many days you want to stay for. compare that to a $300 badge to internext where you get all the booze you can drink. i will easily be drinking at least $300 of free booze at internext.

2) if you can't afford the $300 badge price to a show, you need to re-evaluate your setup. i get it... yes to some newbies $300 is a lot to pay, but if you leave a show without producing at least $300 worth of business that you wouldn't have done had you not attended, you are doing something wrong. seriously. if you put your all into any show you will come out with more business than you know what to do with. *investing* a few hundred bucks to do this business should not be a problem for you.

3) badges that cost something keep civilians out and also *lock people into going* i went to xbiz and noticed a few things. first, a lot of civilians. these people had no clue about the industry, and while i'm all for meeting new contacts, i don't want to talk to a dude who has only 'thought' about starting a 'cool porn website.' second, the turnout at xbiz was not what i expected. i'm sure that 1200 plus people registered like xbiz says, but how many of these people backed out at the last minute because they didn't have to worry about losing their registration fee? my guess is lots since the scene by the pool was not crowded at all both days and other show functions weren't packed.

last year i remember both afternoons by the pool were packed with awesome music and frisbee throwing. i went out there in the afternoon both days and that place was empty. nothing going on. don't blame it on the heat cause it was just as hot last year.

i thought xbiz was good over all and xbiz shows are always super well organized so i'm not knocking anyone, but i think that free badges are bad and that the show would have been better had registration been paid.

You cant compare the cost of serious seo and mainstream marketing shows. Look at the 4 day agenda for this show and its over $1700 a person. http://www.searchenginestrategies.co...se/agenda.html
That show would pay for itself in information.

Cyndalie · 07-17-2008, 10:27 AM

I'm not sure $300 for a show pass is ideal, but neither is $0.
$75-$125 would at least keep the gun toting homeboys out no?

tony286 · 07-17-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyndalie

I'm not sure $300 for a show pass is ideal, but neither is $0.
$75-$125 would at least keep the gun toting homeboys out no?

Money doesn't keep scum out.Filtering by who do you do business with, what sites do you have would actually do a better job.That would be much more effective whether you charged or not. Also probably another way to weed out the homeboys is everyone have their real name on their badge not a nick.

american pervert · 07-17-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

But I am the most famous scumbag you hang out with-

Besides I am more of a WN anyway

yes, you are a WN4L

as for avn and free passes.. wont happen. avn does these shows to make money. why do you think they did a second one (fla. internext) at a hotel in aug.... cheap rates for them to get the place. its about money. i mean of all the places to have a show fla. in aug would be my last choice

Porno Dan · 07-17-2008, 10:58 AM

I have been going to adult industry shows for a long time.

The first time I went to AVN was 1994, the first time I went to Internext, it was still callled IA 2000 and held in New Orleans.

I want to commend Alec and the staff of XBIZ for making it a free show, it was a great idea.

It was just a few years ago that Internext was widley attended by many amateur web models and webmasters; they helped make the Internext shows of 2002 and 2003 some of the most fun conventions I have ever attended.

Now just a few years later you never those people at Internext. When I asked them why they say it's because Internext has become too expensive.

I know Chris personally and think he is a great guy.

I can also understand that he is following company policy, and is going to take defend AVN for charging so much to attend their show.

All this being said I think what Alec and XBIZ did was a great idea, and wish that AVN would follow suit.

starpimps · 07-17-2008, 11:14 AM

As an affiliate i originally never intended to go to any shows at all, but my terribly handsome friend happened to get married during a show so i decided to go. After meeting all the awesome people and having a blast i made up my mind that i would go to one more show this year.

It was originally going to be internext but when i saw that xbiz vegas was free registration i thought (hey 300 saved = one extra night GFE with my favorite "escort") so i talked it over with my man friend and we decided to go. Had a crazy sexy time in vegas so all in all it was a good choice to go.

That being said I am also going to internext and i do not mind paying the registration fee because i had already decided to go earlier in the year. The xbiz show was a nice little bonus for me. Even tho i did no work on my sites and lost some GFE nights at the tables, it was all in all a great trip.

if you see me, just remember: I have teh traffic, will trade for hot dirty sex.

Ramos · 07-17-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

yes, you are a WN4L

agreed.

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

Besides I am more of a WN anyway

Aren't we all.

wn4l

O MARINA · 07-17-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

you are a WN4L

this is still going? page 5 sig spot

Ramos · 07-17-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by O MARINA

this is still going? page 5 sig spot

It's the Queen Bee of WN's

baddog · 07-17-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

You cant compare the cost of serious seo and mainstream marketing shows. Look at the 4 day agenda for this show and its over $1700 a person. http://www.searchenginestrategies.co...se/agenda.html
That show would pay for itself in information.

Have you ever attended SES?

O MARINA · 07-17-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramos

It's the Queen Bee of WN's

I'm celebmaster like Krosh

baddog · 07-17-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Also probably another way to weed out the homeboys is everyone have their real name on their badge not a nick.

Names on badges is how you ID most people. Since most are known by nicks, conventions would start looking like Korean nightclubs with everyone standing by them self along the wall.

CE_Rashaan · 07-17-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

It makes sense in Vegas. It doesn't make sense at The Diplomat.

I was thinking the same thing......

07-16-2008, 04:52 PM	#205
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07-16-2008, 05:05 PM	#209
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07-16-2008, 06:56 PM	#220
AdultB2B Adult Site Broker Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 1,365	Man, can't we all just get along . Seriously though, although the XBiz show had big numbers, the quality of business conducted in San Francisco at Cybernet was definitely higher. I made plenty of contacts in Vegas, but the biggest problem with that show is that most everyone is outside in Cabanas where it's hotter then hell. Not exactly conducive for holding a business meeting. I had to encourage the people who I met with to come inside. I know Starbuck's appreciated it! I went outside a few times and hated it. And I live in Thailand half the year. And no, a registration fee wouldn't have kept me away and I agree that if you're serious you will pay to attend a show. You pay anyway. Vegas must be the most expensive city in the world. __________________ Adult Site Broker - The Ethical Broker ASB Cash Adult Site Broker Talk

07-16-2008, 07:27 PM	#225
ericdv Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 57	couple few about free badges, which i think are a bad idea... 1) the cost for badges for adult shows is still many times lower than the cost for badges to mainstream shows. ever bought a badge to an seo or mainstream marketing show? those go for $1-2k depending on how many days you want to stay for. compare that to a $300 badge to internext where you get all the booze you can drink. i will easily be drinking at least $300 of free booze at internext. 2) if you can't afford the $300 badge price to a show, you need to re-evaluate your setup. i get it... yes to some newbies $300 is a lot to pay, but if you leave a show without producing at least $300 worth of business that you wouldn't have done had you not attended, you are doing something wrong. seriously. if you put your all into any show you will come out with more business than you know what to do with. investing a few hundred bucks to do this business should not be a problem for you. 3) badges that cost something keep civilians out and also lock people into going i went to xbiz and noticed a few things. first, a lot of civilians. these people had no clue about the industry, and while i'm all for meeting new contacts, i don't want to talk to a dude who has only 'thought' about starting a 'cool porn website.' second, the turnout at xbiz was not what i expected. i'm sure that 1200 plus people registered like xbiz says, but how many of these people backed out at the last minute because they didn't have to worry about losing their registration fee? my guess is lots since the scene by the pool was not crowded at all both days and other show functions weren't packed. last year i remember both afternoons by the pool were packed with awesome music and frisbee throwing. i went out there in the afternoon both days and that place was empty. nothing going on. don't blame it on the heat cause it was just as hot last year. i thought xbiz was good over all and xbiz shows are always super well organized so i'm not knocking anyone, but i think that free badges are bad and that the show would have been better had registration been paid. Last edited by ericdv; 07-16-2008 at 07:30 PM..

07-16-2008, 07:28 PM	#226
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	Somebody should start a show over here in the UK. Its kinda expensive to fly out to the USA just for a show. Would be nice to get all the UK webmasters together with some program owners from the USA and the UK __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net

07-16-2008, 04:43 PM	#203
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,983	So is everyone all smiles again? I got screered...

07-16-2008, 04:48 PM	#204
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,013	Maybe this question will disappear on 4th page, but I'll throw it out there anyway. Why should an affiliate go to shows? Let's pick the average full time webmaster, has a bunch of sites, submits galleries, trades traffic, etc, has been doing this 2-4 years, makes a respectable middle to upper class salary working out of home. Isn't this who everyone wants at their shows? Why should they go? What's in it for them, other for them to get spammed at by reps (as if there isn't enough of that on GFY)

07-16-2008, 07:34 PM	#227
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	Would even be nice to have live cams or something hooked up to the shows in the USA for us poor affliates that cant get over their at least we could talk to some of the program owners and other webmasters..and get to see all of the fun you guys have __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net

07-16-2008, 07:44 PM	#228
CE Adam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Zone Posts: 665	Wow...I just read through the entire thread and found some very salient points among the inevitable interwoven drama. All here should bear in mind that the companies that create and operate any show or industry event have specific objectives for them which are typically revenue-oriented, although they may different (i.e. branding, product launch, etc). The goals of these shows are set by the organizers and are not necessarily made public and in order to attain them it may/may not be necessary to charge a registration fee, which is at their discretion. This business is tremendously fragmented and each show draws a somewhat different segment of attendees so, in my opinion, they are really about what the show attendee makes of them. For many webmasters, shows offer one of the only opportunities to hang out with their industry peers, where for others they are a venue to get off their keyboard and do a little partying. It all depends on what the individual's objectives are and if they do/don't want to pay for that access it's their choice. In many industries, it is standard practice to charge an admission fee to cover costs for the venue at the very least. Also, some shows mentioned here i.e. AdTech or SES will offer a free Exhibits Only registration which is basically the same as a limited access membership. If you want to attend the conferences and workshops there is a significant additional cost. Most of the parties are invite-only and require a wristband of sorts which is provided by the sponsors and/or show organizers. This practice effectively keeps out the majority of party-crashers but is not 100% effective. Our industry differs a bit in the sense that non-industry people are drawn by the opportunity to see/meet adult performers, which is why it makes sense for shows like AEE to have Industry Only hours and Fan hours. CES is a consumer-oriented show where the exhibitors are seeking to directly interface with the end-user, whereas adult online shows do not want the consumer present. Ideally, we would see and meet a lot more of the webmasters at shows, but as stated, it seems many of them do not want to be bombarded by affiliate reps there which is unfortunate because I have found in my 15 years of marketing that face-to-face contact is the best way to create and solidify relationships no matter what the industry. But that's just my 2 cents. __________________ www.VIPoffers.com - the industry's leading network of 100% exclusive offers

07-16-2008, 10:19 PM	#232
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	I wish I had a dime for the "new guys in the business" that I've met over the last 10 years I've been going to shows and how many of them are still around. Lots of big dreams get dragged around a convention but then you never see those people again. Heck, most of the people I met at my first show in Miami (which actually may have been 9 years ago) are either retired, broke or don't attend shows any more. I'm all three ;)

07-17-2008, 10:27 AM	#239
Cyndalie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,615	I'm not sure $300 for a show pass is ideal, but neither is $0. $75-$125 would at least keep the gun toting homeboys out no? __________________ Cyndalie Marketing Director StoriesTraffic.com

07-17-2008, 10:58 AM	#242
Porno Dan Court Jester Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Budapest Posts: 6,342	I have been going to adult industry shows for a long time. The first time I went to AVN was 1994, the first time I went to Internext, it was still callled IA 2000 and held in New Orleans. I want to commend Alec and the staff of XBIZ for making it a free show, it was a great idea. It was just a few years ago that Internext was widley attended by many amateur web models and webmasters; they helped make the Internext shows of 2002 and 2003 some of the most fun conventions I have ever attended. Now just a few years later you never those people at Internext. When I asked them why they say it's because Internext has become too expensive. I know Chris personally and think he is a great guy. I can also understand that he is following company policy, and is going to take defend AVN for charging so much to attend their show. All this being said I think what Alec and XBIZ did was a great idea, and wish that AVN would follow suit. __________________ Reality TV Star, AVN Hall of Fame, Five-Time XBIZ Winner 2021 XBIZ Europe Winner Best Director Site Promote the sites where members get paid to get laid by their favorite porn stars

07-17-2008, 11:14 AM	#243
starpimps Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: internets Posts: 6,954	As an affiliate i originally never intended to go to any shows at all, but my terribly handsome friend happened to get married during a show so i decided to go. After meeting all the awesome people and having a blast i made up my mind that i would go to one more show this year. It was originally going to be internext but when i saw that xbiz vegas was free registration i thought (hey 300 saved = one extra night GFE with my favorite "escort") so i talked it over with my man friend and we decided to go. Had a crazy sexy time in vegas so all in all it was a good choice to go. That being said I am also going to internext and i do not mind paying the registration fee because i had already decided to go earlier in the year. The xbiz show was a nice little bonus for me. Even tho i did no work on my sites and lost some GFE nights at the tables, it was all in all a great trip. if you see me, just remember: I have teh traffic, will trade for hot dirty sex. __________________ Teen Porn Models / Solo Girls