AVNChris says it was silly of XBIZ to give away free registration, what do YOU think? - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Due · 07-16-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TubingHARDEST

buy my tubing products.

In one of my showers I have only cold water, I need a hot tube I think, how much for a hot tube?

Connor · 07-16-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Interesting comparison, LOL.I was merely commenting on the perception that others may be getting from the responses of this thread. You may want to think about that.

Which is? That most people are for "free registrations"? This isn't news to me, but the popular opinion isn't always the ONLY opinion.

KRosh · 07-16-2008, 01:13 PM

Shows are dangerous?

KRosh · 07-16-2008, 01:13 PM

oooooopps

TheAmericanCannibal · 07-16-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

I know you're not, and I'm not either... I'm just saying that if $120 registration is the deciding factor in whether or not to attend a show, either a) times are really tough, or b) it's not REALLY a factor but why not take the free cheese if you can get it. That's just my honest opinion.

HEY i can say this much....

XBIZ may have been a free show, but I left and spent more money in Vegas this trip than any other trip i have ever had in January in 11 years.

I was there half as long as the AVN show in Jan as well as the rooms in January are $600 a night- I still spent more at the Hard Rock than ever.

I enjoyed this trip immensely too-

I could eat at NOBU every night of the week.

But If I ever split 8's and get another 8 and a deuce - double down, and lose to a black jack again.... I am going to jump off the fucking roof face first into the concrete

HELMY · 07-16-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KRosh

Shows are dangerous?

LOL

Juicy D. Links · 07-16-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

But If I ever split 8's and get another 8 and a deuce - double down, and lose to a black jack again.... I am going to jump off the fucking roof face first into the concrete

lolll how many times i told u that if you play BJ u have to play with me on the table to help you loll.... i took hard rock for ass romp last time , we got a system we use bizzzzleee its all about placing the approp amount on a bet at the best time .... bizzzzzzzzzzzzzle

Connor · 07-16-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Your show is always great, either way... :-)

Thanks Sly.

Anthony · 07-16-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

Wow, times are really THAT tough for you guys? Sorry to hear that.

That's fucked up. Really fucked up. I just committed to sponsoring the Atlanta Forum. Ynot has lost my business in any capacity. I won't be associated with some dickhead who thinks it's okay to post negative and libelous statments about my business, as you have so easily did with my friend and business associates at Sexentertain.

I'm curious Connor, other than Ynot, what else have you run?

Connor · 07-16-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

That's fucked up. Really fucked up. I just committed to sponsoring the Atlanta Forum. Ynot has lost my business in any capacity. I won't be associated with some dickhead who thinks it's okay to post negative and libelous statments about my business, as you have so easily did with my friend and business associates at Sexentertain.

I'm curious Connor, other than Ynot, what else have you run?

Haha... wow. Sorry to see you go. ;)

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 07-16-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HELMY

LOL

Ya can laugh now, but watch someone will get shot at one of these parties someday.
The violence at each show increases each year.

Figure out why and save a life instead of laughing.

It not to funny really.

Connor · 07-16-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

HEY i can say this much....

XBIZ may have been a free show, but I left and spent more money in Vegas this trip than any other trip i have ever had in January in 11 years.

I was there half as long as the AVN show in Jan as well as the rooms in January are $600 a night- I still spent more at the Hard Rock than ever.

I enjoyed this trip immensely too-

I could eat at NOBU every night of the week.

But If I ever split 8's and get another 8 and a deuce - double down, and lose to a black jack again.... I am going to jump off the fucking roof face first into the concrete

I hear you man... and yup, hard to go to Vegas and not spend. I spent a ton there in January... but the hell with it, it's a fun place to visit. But you need to play poker, not blackjack. ;)

Sly · 07-16-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Ya can laugh now, but watch someone will get shot at one of these parties someday.
The violence at each show increases each year.

Figure out why and save a life instead of laughing.

It not to funny really.

Oh man I know... the last show I was at, the violence was so bad that I left in a wheelchair.

Something definitely must be done about this issue.

Don Pueblo · 07-16-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Ya can laugh now, but watch someone will get shot at one of these parties someday.
The violence at each show increases each year.

Figure out why and save a life instead of laughing.

It not to funny really.

I am a big webmaster. Who are you? Are you a big guy in this business like I am. I like big things. You have a big, pretty mouth.

GonZo · 07-16-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KRosh

Shows are dangerous?

What would you expect him to say?

Hes still not very good at this.

JFK · 07-16-2008, 01:27 PM

There seems to be a train of thought here that a registration fee will keep out the riff raff, thieves, scammers etc. NOT so !!

A 150 registration fee will not keep out people who want to Scam you. It was mentioned here That Sweet T had his laptop ripped off at a show. It was paid admisson. I lost 2500 at a show where my laptop was hacked, paid admisson. and so on and so on......

Wallets get stolen, other untoward things happen, a fee is not going to deter a determined criminal.The PS3 and the gun issue could have happened at any other show. Unfortunately our industry attracts an unsavory element, not much you can do about that, but keep your wits about you.

Now that the free admission to a show is a reality, how about fine tuning it? Work out the kinks, so it is a win - win situation? We need new blood in the business, not all small webmasters starting out can afford huge hotel bills.

YES a 150 registration fee could be a breaking point to some of them. It is nothing to be ashamed of, not all of us started out to be millionaires.

I think you will see the free admisson model prosper in the upcoming years, the promoters will just have to start thinking out of the box

WiredGuy · 07-16-2008, 01:27 PM

My honest opinion:

Love the idea of free badges, of course problems can easily occur with this like bringing friends, free loaders, etc.

So my opinion is a middle ground solution, free badges, but you need to prove you're in the industry. No on-site registration, must have a website or prove you're related to the industry. If you're new, signup to a program and get them to register on your behalf. Make people jump through some hoops, if its free, they'll do it.

Alternatively, charge a descent registration fee but make sure you get your value's worth. Phx forum might cost a couple hundred but comes with open bars, buffets, snacks, etc. Tons of free items that justifies their fees.

Not pointing fingers here, but a certain other show charges $300 and I never once saw any justification for that other to line their pockets. Not to mention a $17 Mojito in Florida which I know for a fact doesn't cost more than $10 when there isn't a show going on...

PS: I would have loved to come to XBiz this time around Alec, but I'm in the middle of buying my first home so I couldn't make it, next year for sure.

WG

Anthony · 07-16-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

Haha... wow. Sorry to see you go. ;)

Too bad, eh? You'll eat those words soon enough asshole.

Cory W · 07-16-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Connor

I know you're not, and I'm not either... I'm just saying that if $120 registration is the deciding factor in whether or not to attend a show, either a) times are really tough, or b) it's not REALLY a factor but why not take the free cheese if you can get it. That's just my honest opinion.

Look who isn't getting invited to the next Sexentertain Dinner.

Connor · 07-16-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Too bad, eh? You'll eat those words soon enough asshole.

See this is why nobody ever posts honest opinions on webmaster boards, always someone trying to make you pay for having an alternative opinion. But please... you're free to do as you will of course.

Connor · 07-16-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WEG Cory

Look who isn't getting invited to the next Sexentertain Dinner.

Who would have thought that skin had grown so thin on GFY. ;)

datatank · 07-16-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Money

I forgot to mention branding.

Usually I like to brand my name on the event, so when I cold call someone, they know who I am. Sometimes I don't offer services to the masses (like my marketingfirm), I only take a few clients at a time. But right now, I have some services like Feedmorphers that gets visibility in my Players Ball newsletter.

Lot's of biz gets done during the year from these events I throw, but you don't see an immediate return most of the time.

But hey, most people in our biz knows who I am because of the event. It opens up doors.

Wouldnt it be easier just to tell em you are KB's brother ?

LAJ · 07-16-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

It hurts working with clients like Vivid and Hustler...

I am sure you know that...don't they advertise on YNOT?

Nope, neither of those companies do.

boneprone · 07-16-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AVNChris

I did not say XBIZ giving away free badges was silly.

I replied to a thread Mitch posted suggesting we give away free badges and said that it would be silly - I did not say that it was silly for you to do it.

I get along great with everyone on your team and I do not talk smack - I had a great time at your show.

Where is this coming from Alec.

Ill come out and say it.
ITs silly........

If the tube sites keep giving away free content and the webmaster shows keep giving away free registrations how will money ever be made!

Besides by charging for a pass it reduces the level of rift raft a the shows. I for one want less negros with guns at the shows I go to.

Im willing to bet there are less negros at a show where people pay than at a show where it is free.

Negros and people like the Anal Hobbit should pay if they want to come to shows.

I agree with AVN Chris. ITs just damn Silly. He wont say it but I will.

Its about saftey.

LAJ · 07-16-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexentertain_mike

That seemed like a slam...hope it wasn't... I'd be very surprised and disappointed.

I was merely stating that there are too many shows to go to. If some of the costs are mitigated then its an easy decision to go.

and times are not THAT hard

C'mon Mike... I saw that as Connor ribbing ya a bit. OF course a free show isn't going to be your deciding factor after having been in the biz now for what... 10 years straight?

boneprone · 07-16-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I have said it before, I think it was a brilliant move. With all the shows going on I imagine it is difficult for most to attend, or to even decide which to attend. I am sure that free registration helped quite a few make that decision a little easier.

I know there are those out there that will say I just automatically side with XBIZ, but the XBIZ people know better than that.

Are you black?

D-Money · 07-16-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

My honest opinion:

Love the idea of free badges, of course problems can easily occur with this like bringing friends, free loaders, etc.

So my opinion is a middle ground solution, free badges, but you need to prove you're in the industry. No on-site registration, must have a website or prove you're related to the industry. If you're new, signup to a program and get them to register on your behalf. Make people jump through some hoops, if its free, they'll do it.WG

That being said, check this idea out...

How about a main sponsor of the trade show BUYS the sponsorship for the online registration. Meaning, that in order to register, you must prove you're a webmaster by signing up for this companies sign up form. Imagine that you have over 1000 attendees signing up for your affiliate program in order to register for the show! They don't have to send traffic, but it puts them through a screener where they at least have to give their tax ID or Social Security # and website. Then, after signing up all of those people through to an affiliate program (which also regs them for the show in 1 swoop), how much would THAT cost for a sponsor? Probably enough that the show can be free to webmasters! And the show makes money!

Genius idea.

WG and I want 10% of this concept as a sponsorship to the first show to do this.

baddog · 07-16-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Okay, so... is anybody else against free registration that does not run another show? So far they seem to be the only one with that stance.

A given.

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

I have written off going to shows for some time now largely because they are infact dangerous and get more and more dangerous each year.

Oh man.

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Originally Posted by Sexentertain_mike

EXACTLY!

I'm glad to see at least YOU got it

thx

We all did.

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Originally Posted by thehand

A paid show may discourage douche-bag civilians form attending, but keep some smaller affiliates out, another acceptable trade off.

Civilians pay to get in. I know for fact they did at Cybernet Expo in San Diego.

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Originally Posted by D-Money

Hey, I have to throw parties to get free badges!

Sly · 07-16-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Money

That being said, check this idea out...

How about a main sponsor of the trade show BUYS the sponsorship for the online registration. Meaning, that in order to register, you must prove you're a webmaster by signing up for this companies sign up form. Imagine that you have over 1000 attendees signing up for your affiliate program in order to register for the show! They don't have to send traffic, but it puts them through a screener where they at least have to give their tax ID or Social Security # ans website. Then, after signing up all of those people through to an affiliate program (which also regs them for the show in 1 swoop), how much would THAT cost for a sponsor? Probably enough that the show can be free to webmasters! And the show makes money!

Genius idea.

WG and I want 10% of this concept as a sponsorship to the first show to do this.

What about all of the people that do not run websites, etc.?

An alternate concept... say somebody sponsors registration, they can give a discount to everyone of their clients, affiliates, friends, or whatever. It is along the same lines but instead of making traffic a requirement, it is a bonus.

Don Pueblo · 07-16-2008, 01:45 PM

Get back on track you goofballs. This thread is about some big mouth running his big mouth, not the price of shows in china. If you think this thread was about the price of a show you are just as big a dummy as AlienQ.

datatank · 07-16-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Money

That being said, check this idea out...

How about a main sponsor of the trade show BUYS the sponsorship for the online registration. Meaning, that in order to register, you must prove you're a webmaster by signing up for this companies sign up form. Imagine that you have over 1000 attendees signing up for your affiliate program in order to register for the show! They don't have to send traffic, but it puts them through a screener where they at least have to give their tax ID or Social Security # and website. Then, after signing up all of those people through to an affiliate program (which also regs them for the show in 1 swoop), how much would THAT cost for a sponsor? Probably enough that the show can be free to webmasters! And the show makes money!

Genius idea.

WG and I want 10% of this concept as a sponsorship to the first show to do this.

1000 of todays webmasters is not even worth the BW and storage space on the servers

D-Money · 07-16-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

What about all of the people that do not run websites, etc.?

An alternate concept... say somebody sponsors registration, they can give a discount to everyone of their clients, affiliates, friends, or whatever. It is along the same lines but instead of making traffic a requirement, it is a bonus.

Sounds great.

I want my 3%

C H R I S · 07-16-2008, 01:46 PM

I actually think some of the ideas being passed around this thread are positive. I personally would have preffered Alec to call me personally if he had a problem with me, as i approached him personally and asked if he would like to work together more cohesively in planning dates, etc.

If I crossed any lines I apologize, but honestly I was just answering Mitches request for free badges with my honest opinion on the matter. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

If that was "slamming Xbiz" you be the judge.....

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Originally Posted by NetBilling
Free admission to all attendees? That would be awesome.

Thats a good one.......

Who would be silly enough to do that?????

Originally Posted by AVNChris
And all joking aside Mitch - there are several good reasons too charge for badges:

1. Qualification - If you pay for something you are invested. Unqualified offers and attendees attract high number but low quality.

2. Quality - We really dont want to be talking to Real Estate and Yahoos who are not in the industry. Charging for a badge cuts those asshats out.

3.Quantity - Even with the charge, we get the largest number of attendees of any industry show. Sponsors have time and again invested in our events because of that.

4. Event Quality - With the news that you will be hearing in the next few days you just may change your tune..... maybe

I love you man....

baddog · 07-16-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

Wouldnt it be easier just to tell em you are KB's brother ?

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Are you black?

Only partially.

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Originally Posted by D-Money

That being said, check this idea out...

How about a main sponsor of the trade show BUYS the sponsorship for the online registration. Meaning, that in order to register, you must prove you're a webmaster by signing up for this companies sign up form. Imagine that you have over 1000 attendees signing up for your affiliate program in order to register for the show! They don't have to send traffic, but it puts them through a screener where they at least have to give their tax ID or Social Security # and website. Then, after signing up all of those people through to an affiliate program (which also regs them for the show in 1 swoop), how much would THAT cost for a sponsor? Probably enough that the show can be free to webmasters! And the show makes money!

Genius idea.

WG and I want 10% of this concept as a sponsorship to the first show to do this.

Adult.com used to do that as I recall. You had to be verified by any of the sponsors. Spread the love.

TheAmericanCannibal · 07-16-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Nope, neither of those companies do.

Jay I was being facetious

lol!

LAJ · 07-16-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

That's fucked up. Really fucked up. I just committed to sponsoring the Atlanta Forum. Ynot has lost my business in any capacity. I won't be associated with some dickhead who thinks it's okay to post negative and libelous statments about my business, as you have so easily did with my friend and business associates at Sexentertain.

I'm curious Connor, other than Ynot, what else have you run?

Wow Anthony, I really have no idea where that came from. Known you a loooooong time and the way you are personally and frankly I don't see anything libelous in Connor's post. But I definitely do in yours.

It was nice knowing ya, I guess.

D-Money · 07-16-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Only partially.

Adult.com used to do that as I recall. You had to be verified by any of the sponsors. Spread the love.

Still a great idea.

I don't even think you need to have an affilaite program as the service to do this. It's just the screening process. Any program owner would love to see their stats after getting 1000 webmasters signing up for program, with those numbers, maybe at least 500 of them have affiliate traffic? Then after signing up, certainly a number of them will at least check out the program they just got signed up for, and a number of those people will send joins.

And if not, look at the branding. Everyone sees your program while signing up.

Anyway, sometimes ideas like this need to be explored deeper, we got something here.

$50k for the registration. Going once... Twice...

What, which show wants this $50k?

Sly · 07-16-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Money

Still a great idea.

I don't even think you need to have an affilaite program as the service to do this. It's just the screening process. Any program owner would love to see their stats after getting 1000 webmasters signing up for program, with those numbers, maybe at least 500 of them have affiliate traffic? Then after signing up, certainly a number of them will at least check out the program they just got signed up for, and a number of those people will send joins.

And if not, look at the branding. Everyone sees your program while signing up.

Anyway, sometimes ideas like this need to be explored deeper, we got something here.

$50k for the registration. Going once... Twice...

What, which show wants this $50k?

D your numbers aren't even close. :-) It is still an interesting idea, regardless. Something for people to think about, for sure.

datatank · 07-16-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Money

Still a great idea.

Any program owner would love to see their stats after getting 1000 webmasters signing up for program, with those numbers, maybe at least 500 of them have affiliate traffic?

You would be lucky to get 5

Anthony · 07-16-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LAJ

Wow Anthony, I really have no idea where that came from. Known you a loooooong time and the way you are personally and frankly I don't see anything libelous in Connor's post. But I definitely do in yours.

It was nice knowing ya, I guess.

So let me get this straight Jay, someone who infers that business is bad for a program owner is okay in your book, but what I said isn't?

Libelous? Which part? The part where I said I will never do business with Ynot, or the part where I asked Conner what's he's done in this industry other than Ynot?

Achmed · 07-16-2008, 02:09 PM

For next one hour AGA having a special on hand grenades. Keep for this thread at top of page and I throw in complimantary claymore us army mine with purchase.

tony286 · 07-16-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

So let me get this straight Jay, someone who infers that business is bad for a program owner is okay in your book, but what I said isn't?

Libelous? Which part? The part where I said I will never do business with Ynot, or the part where I asked Conner what's he's done in this industry other than Ynot?

I read the whole thread what did he say that was libelous? Im confused. I have no dog in this fight but read the whole thing twice and cant figure what got you so angry.

chri$tian · 07-16-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

HEY i can say this much....

XBIZ may have been a free show, but I left and spent more money in Vegas this trip than any other trip i have ever had in January in 11 years.

I was there half as long as the AVN show in Jan as well as the rooms in January are $600 a night- I still spent more at the Hard Rock than ever.

I enjoyed this trip immensely too-

I could eat at NOBU every night of the week.

But If I ever split 8's and get another 8 and a deuce - double down, and lose to a black jack again.... I am going to jump off the fucking roof face first into the concrete

You should have been at my table playing Black Jack, killed it....

whatthef · 07-16-2008, 02:15 PM

I think its a free country and we in the Adult Industry should defend the First Amendment with our lives. Chris is one of the best sales people i have ever had the pleasure to work with.
Free or not free we all get what we pay for and pay for what we get.
I personally had a great time and met some amazing Industry leaders in Vegas this year.

D-Money · 07-16-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

D your numbers aren't even close. :-) It is still an interesting idea, regardless. Something for people to think about, for sure.

I was hoping to get someone to pay the $50k for it so I can get my 10% (split with WG)!

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

LOL

But you're right, I just used some numbers on the theory that half of the people must have a link somewhere? I'd hope. But hey, maybe Datatank is right with his number.

mikesouth · 07-16-2008, 02:20 PM

I think you need to quit being whiney and thin skinned thats what I think.

Is your show successful? profitable?

If so the why the fuck are you whining about this

suck it up buttercup

Semi-Retired-Dave · 07-16-2008, 02:22 PM

It's your Show Helmy. Whatever you are doing and however you are doing it. It's working and it brings the industry together.

Great job.

Connor · 07-16-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

So let me get this straight Jay, someone who infers that business is bad for a program owner is okay in your book, but what I said isn't?

Or, I inferred that I didn't really believe that the cost of a badge registration was REALLY a deciding factor for a major program. I thought that was obvious... apparently not.

Achmed · 07-16-2008, 02:24 PM

avnjustin, you confuse achmed with twisted words. please for sake of english as second language please say for me what means you in straight words english.

LAJ · 07-16-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

So let me get this straight Jay, someone who infers that business is bad for a program owner is okay in your book, but what I said isn't?

Libelous? Which part? The part where I said I will never do business with Ynot, or the part where I asked Conner what's he's done in this industry other than Ynot?

All I'm going to say here Anthony, is reread Connor's post and think about it, then reread yours and think about it. My response to you needs no further clarification.

And since you will never do business with YNOT again, I'll make it easier for both of us by removing you from my ICQ and my AWW friends list. No need to accidentally cross paths again.

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JFK FUBAR the ORIGINATOR Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: FUBARLAND Posts: 67,382	There seems to be a train of thought here that a registration fee will keep out the riff raff, thieves, scammers etc. NOT so !! A 150 registration fee will not keep out people who want to Scam you. It was mentioned here That Sweet T had his laptop ripped off at a show. It was paid admisson. I lost 2500 at a show where my laptop was hacked, paid admisson. and so on and so on...... Wallets get stolen, other untoward things happen, a fee is not going to deter a determined criminal.The PS3 and the gun issue could have happened at any other show. Unfortunately our industry attracts an unsavory element, not much you can do about that, but keep your wits about you. Now that the free admission to a show is a reality, how about fine tuning it? Work out the kinks, so it is a win - win situation? We need new blood in the business, not all small webmasters starting out can afford huge hotel bills. YES a 150 registration fee could be a breaking point to some of them. It is nothing to be ashamed of, not all of us started out to be millionaires. I think you will see the free admisson model prosper in the upcoming years, the promoters will just have to start thinking out of the box __________________ FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

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WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,451	My honest opinion: Love the idea of free badges, of course problems can easily occur with this like bringing friends, free loaders, etc. So my opinion is a middle ground solution, free badges, but you need to prove you're in the industry. No on-site registration, must have a website or prove you're related to the industry. If you're new, signup to a program and get them to register on your behalf. Make people jump through some hoops, if its free, they'll do it. Alternatively, charge a descent registration fee but make sure you get your value's worth. Phx forum might cost a couple hundred but comes with open bars, buffets, snacks, etc. Tons of free items that justifies their fees. Not pointing fingers here, but a certain other show charges $300 and I never once saw any justification for that other to line their pockets. Not to mention a $17 Mojito in Florida which I know for a fact doesn't cost more than $10 when there isn't a show going on... PS: I would have loved to come to XBiz this time around Alec, but I'm in the middle of buying my first home so I couldn't make it, next year for sure. WG __________________ I play with Google.

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Don Pueblo Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 656	Get back on track you goofballs. This thread is about some big mouth running his big mouth, not the price of shows in china. If you think this thread was about the price of a show you are just as big a dummy as AlienQ. __________________ Don Pueblo Worlds Best Latin Lover

07-16-2008, 01:46 PM	#133
C H R I S Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marina Del Rey Posts: 10,845	I actually think some of the ideas being passed around this thread are positive. I personally would have preffered Alec to call me personally if he had a problem with me, as i approached him personally and asked if he would like to work together more cohesively in planning dates, etc. If I crossed any lines I apologize, but honestly I was just answering Mitches request for free badges with my honest opinion on the matter. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. If that was "slamming Xbiz" you be the judge..... Quote: Originally Posted by NetBilling Free admission to all attendees? That would be awesome. Thats a good one....... Who would be silly enough to do that????? Originally Posted by AVNChris And all joking aside Mitch - there are several good reasons too charge for badges: 1. Qualification - If you pay for something you are invested. Unqualified offers and attendees attract high number but low quality. 2. Quality - We really dont want to be talking to Real Estate and Yahoos who are not in the industry. Charging for a badge cuts those asshats out. 3.Quantity - Even with the charge, we get the largest number of attendees of any industry show. Sponsors have time and again invested in our events because of that. 4. Event Quality - With the news that you will be hearing in the next few days you just may change your tune..... maybe I love you man.... __________________ C H R I S Retired Porn Veteran BH4L

07-16-2008, 02:09 PM	#141
Achmed Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,447	For next one hour AGA having a special on hand grenades. Keep for this thread at top of page and I throw in complimantary claymore us army mine with purchase. __________________ Achmed Oil - Achmed Holdings - Achmed Guns n Ammo Ceo of all companies [email protected] [email protected] آخرون من نفس المجموعة، وهم عبدالرؤوف الشايب وسيد شرف الستري لاعتداء قوات الأمن أثناء تواجدهم في المطار، ويعتبر البعض ذلك تصفية للحسابات قامت به http://tweeter.com/achmedholdings

07-16-2008, 02:15 PM	#144
whatthef Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 179	I think its a free country and we in the Adult Industry should defend the First Amendment with our lives. Chris is one of the best sales people i have ever had the pleasure to work with. Free or not free we all get what we pay for and pay for what we get. I personally had a great time and met some amazing Industry leaders in Vegas this year.

07-16-2008, 02:20 PM	#146
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	I think you need to quit being whiney and thin skinned thats what I think. Is your show successful? profitable? If so the why the fuck are you whining about this suck it up buttercup __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

07-16-2008, 02:22 PM	#147
Semi-Retired-Dave Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: LA Posts: 11,190	It's your Show Helmy. Whatever you are doing and however you are doing it. It's working and it brings the industry together. Great job. __________________ Support a Good Cause

07-16-2008, 02:24 PM	#149
Achmed Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,447	avnjustin, you confuse achmed with twisted words. please for sake of english as second language please say for me what means you in straight words english. __________________ Achmed Oil - Achmed Holdings - Achmed Guns n Ammo Ceo of all companies [email protected] [email protected] آخرون من نفس المجموعة، وهم عبدالرؤوف الشايب وسيد شرف الستري لاعتداء قوات الأمن أثناء تواجدهم في المطار، ويعتبر البعض ذلك تصفية للحسابات قامت به http://tweeter.com/achmedholdings