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Old 04-13-2009, 11:34 AM   #51
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There is some funny shit in this thread. You guys know that planes flew into these buildings? Big ones too. That's really the end of the story.
oh

glad you cleared that up.

i guess thats why that other building close by colaped becase that was hit by a plane. ooops, it was not hit at all and it caved in. thats strange. almost like somone blow it up.
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and all this time I thought Danish is something that you're supposed to eat

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oh

glad you cleared that up.

i guess thats why that other building close by colaped becase that was hit by a plane. ooops, it was not hit at all and it caved in. thats strange. almost like somone blow it up.
so what if it was blown up? the CIA had offices in there in addition to tons of government agencies. probably a lot of information and documents that they would have rather seen destroyed than to have salvage crews rummaging through for over a year right?

WT7 and what may or may not have happened, has ZERO to do with the notion that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition AFTER two very large commercial jets flew into them in front of millions of witnesses
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:13 PM   #55
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I don't know what happened and this Danish guy could be a weirdo.

But there are some things that happened on that day and in the following days that just seem suspicious.

Two things I wonder about.

1) The finding of the hijackers passport among the rubble within days.

2) All the rubble was being shipped to China as scrap almost instantly.
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:30 PM   #56
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There is some funny shit in this thread. You guys know that planes flew into these buildings? Big ones too. That's really the end of the story.
If only ANYTHING was so simple..
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I love a good conspiracy theory, and don't think for a second that my government doesn't have a million secrets, but nano explosives in the WTC. That really is tin foil hat time.
They didn't blow it up with nano-explosives, not even sure if that is a word

They used nano-technology to interact with the particles from the explosion.

The guy is basically saying, you can see the particles with your eyes, so much of it - it makes you question things. Before they even got to the micro level, they could see the material was layered together - in the exact order it takes to create this super high heat explosives.

When you get down to the nano level, they separated out the trash and could see the atoms in the un-exploded particles are still in line, the elements are still pure, the layers of compounds are perfectly inline.

IE: Created and Placed by a Human, at a very very large scale.



As for a conspiracy theory... The United States on Record - Has attacked itself to start a war, has allowed itself to be attacked and has declassified documents that shows they had plans to attack our own people/soil to start other possible wars.

Stop being a damn sheep.....
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It was a hydrogen bomb (that's your nano science)

Explosion of a hydrogen bomb



Explosion of WTC




The US goverment didn't do this to its people, the JEWS did this to Christians, they ram two planes into your Christian towers, they told your Christian soldiers to go fight for them so that they can have their ancient lands of Khazaria back. The JEWS own everything, inside and out, your entire life belongs to jews and you are nothing but a statistic.








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What you need to take away from that video is that a new criminal investigation is needed into what happened on 9-11. How come there hasn't been one yet? Why is there nobody wanted for the biggest mass murder on US soil in history?
What do you mean retardboy? There's been a major investigation obviously. Just because mentally unstable morons like you think something else happened they need to investigate again while they already have all the facts? Fucking idiot.
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every other country knows 9/11 was an inside job. if the same thing happened in iraq we would have said they did it to themselves.

what goes around comes around. they want to change the name of the new building from Freedom Tower to 1 World Trade Center because they can't get tennants. potential tennats are concerned it will happen again. what are the new owners saying? "oh no, this won't happen again because we are building the new tower to withstand such an attack". oh really? you can't use that line twice. plus, workers don't want to build in a place that is considered a grave site!

those fuckers are getting exactly what they deserve. they killed all those innocent people and now they are stuck with a big fucking hole in the ground.
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I don't know what happened and this Danish guy could be a weirdo.

But there are some things that happened on that day and in the following days that just seem suspicious.

Two things I wonder about.

1) The finding of the hijackers passport among the rubble within days.

2) All the rubble was being shipped to China as scrap almost instantly.
those new passports were designed to withstand extremely high temperatures and the new tower is going to made out of the same material.
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so what if it was blown up? the CIA had offices in there in addition to tons of government agencies. probably a lot of information and documents that they would have rather seen destroyed than to have salvage crews rummaging through for over a year right?

WT7 and what may or may not have happened, has ZERO to do with the notion that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition AFTER two very large commercial jets flew into them in front of millions of witnesses
shouldn't this building have collapsed? i mean, we're talking about more than half the building missing, not just a little section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
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"Apparently the two airplane-impacts did not cause the towers to collapse"

No shit! ..Anyone with half a brain, a little common sense, and a pair of half working eyes can clearly see that it was a controlled demolition. I knew it the second I saw it on 9/11. Two 110 story buildings racing towards the ground at free fall speed only to collapse entirely within their own foot prints?? WTF? - Glaringly fucking obvious! Don?t even get me started on why WTC 7 SPONTANEOUSLY IMPLODED for NO REASON. Wake-TFU up people!
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shouldn't this building have collapsed? i mean, we're talking about more than half the building missing, not just a little section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
why would it be expected to collapse? what is the comparison? were all the buildings identical structures suffering from identical damage?
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shouldn't this building have collapsed? i mean, we're talking about more than half the building missing, not just a little section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
i've never understood people like you and your desperation to believe a conspiracy must exist.... requiring you to fully abandon any sense of reason.

the funny thing about the net is that people like you were marginalized in society. no one knew you existed because you lived in the mountains somewhere or because you knew at least to not talk too much in public, letting people know what a lunatic you are. now, with the web, all the lunatics of the world can get together and validate, affirm and reinforce each others warped world views and delusions.

you are no different than a guy walking up to me and telling me that God told him to start killing schoolchildren. you are no more reasonable, no more rational and no more sane. and thats Gods ironic twist on mental illness... the fact that the mentally ill, always think they're just fine and "everyone else OBVIOUSLY has the problem"
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why would it be expected to collapse? what is the comparison? were all the buildings identical structures suffering from identical damage?
did WTC 7 suffer the same damage as WTC 1&2? you would think so because it came down in the exact same manner!

my point is they expect us to believe minor damage to a steel structure will cause it to collapse straight down into it's own footprint at free fall speed when other buildings that sustained much more damage never collapsed.

three buildings have collapsed like this in the history of steel structures and they all happened in the same event, on the same day and all three buildings were owned by the same person.

the government knew this would happen, they knew the majority of the population is too stupid to think it was an inside job. and it worked! despite the overwhelming evidence that it was a planned job, no one will ever be held accountable for it.
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did WTC 7 suffer the same damage as WTC 1&2? you would think so because it came down in the exact same manner!
obviously not. they didn't come down "in the exact same manner"


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my point is they expect us to believe minor damage to a steel structure will cause it to collapse straight down into it's own footprint at free fall speed when other buildings that sustained much more damage never collapsed.
if you call a 757 flying into the structure and exploding, cutting most of its support away (the exoskeleton / elevator columns) "minor damage" - then you are delusional beyond help.

if you call its fall "free fall speed" in spite of the fact that you can watch any video and see the debris falling faster than the structure, then you might be brain damaged.

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wow. so what? never in the history of baseball has the pitcher pulled out a knife and stabbed an umpire. if one did... that doesn't prove anything other than a pitcher pulled out a knife and stabbed an umpire.

anyway... you are totally incapable of reason. you want to believe like most because its who you are. you need to believe. its not about "evidence" or "facts" or reasonable discussion or debate anymore than someone questioning the existence of Xenu and the Doctrine of Scientology with a Scientologist would be. its part of your faith and your personal religion and your final rationale to back everything up is that people are brainwashed and the worlds dumbest president pulled off the most complex set of events in the history of the planning and execution of anything.

instead of talking about pseudo science and far reaching theories... why not do the simple math on the actual probability of being able to pull off such a complex series of events, from start to completion without people actually getting wise to it... when anyone with a brain knows how complex it is to simple storm a bank and free 2 hostages with 50 highly trained SWAT Team members against 3 1/2 retarded gang bangers.
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so how do you explain the hundreds of eye witnesses who reported hearing the timed explosions seconds before the building came down? reports from firefighters who obviously have seen demo jobs before said it was just like a building pull. oh, right...they must be "delusional beyond help".

speaking of flying 757's into buildings, do you think it was ever possible for the average joe to go into a flight training facility and fly a 757 simulator? it was never possible regardless of the reason or amount of money paid, especially to a couple of rag heads. those facilities have strict guidelines set by the FAA.

but lets say a few did get some underground training somehow, do you think they could hit those buildings pefectly the first try flying low level at 500mph?

have you seen their passports? they look like someone pulled it out of their pocket, not a pile of molten rubble.

that brings me to my next point. how was the metal still molten after the collapse? you can't light metal on fire! no burning material in a building could burn hot enough to melt steel.
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so how do you explain the hundreds of eye witnesses who reported hearing the timed explosions seconds before the building came down? reports from firefighters who obviously have seen demo jobs before said it was just like a
building pull. oh, right...they must be "delusional beyond help".
when the structure is failing... do you think it does so quietly? what kind of sound do you think 1000's of tons of metal and concrete collapsing in on itself is going to make? something like a butterfly fart?




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speaking of flying 757's into buildings, do you think it was ever possible for the average joe to go into a flight training facility and fly a 757 simulator? it was never possible regardless of the reason or amount of money paid, especially to a couple of rag heads. those facilities have strict guidelines set by the FAA.
obviously they did. this was never disputed to my knowledge.

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but lets say a few did get some underground training somehow, do you think they could hit those buildings pefectly the first try flying low level at 500mph?
by "perfectly", you mean the very sharp banking turn at the last moment? how "perfect do you need to be? you just need to fly straight and have the ability to adjust course slightly. speed has nothing to do with it when you are getting lined up from many miles away. its not like they were in a dogfight with F-18's and outmaneuvered fighter jets.

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that brings me to my next point. how was the metal still molten after the collapse? you can't light metal on fire! no burning material in a building could burn hot enough to melt steel.
millions of tons of pressure. why is the center of the earth still molten rock? same principles. pressure creates heat. do you really not even understand the most basic, 3rd grade principles of physics?
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http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
is that objective enough for you? or is the Civil Engineering Dept of the University of Sydney in on the massive US Conspiracy led by the worlds dumbest world leader?



The fire wasn't hot enough to melt the steel

There has never been a claim that the steel melted in the fire before the buildings collapsed, however the fire would have been very hot. Even though the steel didnt melt, the type of temperatures in the fire would have roughly halved its strength.

There would have been variations in the distribution of the temperature both in place in time. There are photos that show people in the areas opened up by the impact, so it obviously wasnt too hot when those photos were taken, but this is not to say that other parts of the building, further inside were not hotter. In addition, to make a reasonable conclusion from these photos, it would be important to know when they were taken. It might be possible that just after the impact the area wasnt very hot, but as the fire took hold the area got hotter.


The way the building collapsed must have been caused by explosions

One demolition expert on the day of the collapse said it looked like implosion but this is not very strong evidence. Implosion firstly requires a lot of explosives placed in strategic areas all around the building. When and how was this explosive placed in the building without anyone knowing about it. Second, implosion required more than just explosives. Demolition experts spend weeks inside a derelict building planning an event. Many of the beams are cut through by about 90% so that the explosion only has to break a small bit of steel. In this state the building is highly dangerous, and there is no way such a prepared building could still be running day to day like WTC was.


Why did the building fall so quickly?

The buildings did fall quickly - almost (but not exactly) at the same speed as if there was no resistance. Shouldn't the floors below have slowed it down? The huge dynamic loads due to the very large momentum of the upper floors falling were so great that they smashed through the lower floors very quickly. The columns were not designed to carry these huge loads and they provided little resistance.

What about World Trade Center 7?

I have not studied WTC in any great detail and cannot offer any theories on its collapse mechanism. In the chaos of the day, little attention was paid to WTC7, so there is less evidence available on the damage it sustained before it collapsed. However, some questions that you may want to ponder ...
* While it did not receive any direct impact form the planes, how much debris hit at as the main towers collapsed and what damage did it cause?
* To what extent (if any) did the shock or vibrations caused by the collapse of WTC1 & 2 affect the integrity of WTC7?
* Did any unseen damage to the WTC7 foundations occur in the collapse of WTC 1 & 2?
* Did any of the fire suppression systems in WTC7 function?
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(This is an initial suggestion, originally written on Sept 11 2001 (with some minor subsequent changes) on one possible reason for failure, and should not be regarded as official advice.)

World Trade Center collapse

The structural integrity of the World Trade Center depends on the closely spaced columns around the perimeter. Lightweight steel trusses span between the central elevator core and the perimeter columns on each floor. These trusses support the concrete slab of each floor and tie the perimeter columns to the core, preventing the columns from buckling outwards.

After the initial plane impacts, it appeared to most observers that the structures had been severely damaged, but not necessarily fatally.

It appears likely that the impact of the plane crash destroyed a significant number of perimeter columns on several floors of the building, severely weakening the entire system. Initially this was not enough to cause collapse.

However, as fire raged in the upper floors, the heat would have been gradually affecting the behaviour of the remaining material. As the planes had only recently taken off, the fire would have been initially fuelled by large volumes of jet fuel, which then ignited any combustible material in the building. While the fire would not have been hot enough to melt any of the steel, the strength of the steel drops markedly with prolonged exposure to fire, while the elastic modulus of the steel reduces (stiffness drops), increasing deflections.
World Trade Center collapse

Modern structures are designed to resist fire for a specific length of time. Safety features such as fire retarding materials and sprinkler systems help to contain fires, help extinguish flames, or prevent steel from being exposed to excessively high temperatures. This gives occupants time to escape and allow fire fighters to extinguish blazes, before the building is catastrophically damaged.

It is possible that the blaze, started by jet fuel and then engulfing the contents of the offices, in a highly confined area, generated fire conditions significantly more severe than those anticipated in a typical office fire. These conditions may have overcome the building's fire defences considerably faster than expected. It is likely that the water pipes that supplied the fire sprinklers were severed by the plane impact, and much of the fire protective material, designed to stop the steel from being heated and losing strength, was blown off by the blast at impact.

Eventually, the loss of strength and stiffness of the materials resulting from the fire, combined with the initial impact damage, would have caused a failure of the truss system supporting a floor, or the remaining perimeter columns, or even the internal core, or some combination. Failure of the flooring system would have subsequently allowed the perimeter columns to buckle outwards. Regardless of which of these possibilities actually occurred, it would have resulted in the complete collapse of at least one complete storey at the level of impact.

Once one story collapsed all floors above would have begun to fall. The huge mass of falling structure would gain momentum, crushing the structurally intact floors below, resulting in catastrophic failure of the entire structure. While the columns at say level 50 were designed to carry the static load of 50 floors above, once one floor collapsed and the floors above started to fall, the dynamic load of 50 storeys above is very much greater, and the columns at each level were almost instantly destroyed as the huge upper mass fell to the ground.
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since you like Wikipedia as a source....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaps...d_Trade_Center

In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, numerous structural engineers and experts spoke to the media, describing what they thought caused the towers to collapse. Hassan Astaneh, a structural engineering professor at the University of California at

Berkeley, explained that the high temperatures in the fires weakened the steel beams and columns, causing them to become "soft and mushy", and eventually they were unable to support the structure above. Astaneh also suggested that the fireproofing became dislodged during the initial aircraft impacts. He also explained that, once the initial structural failure occurred, progressive collapse of the entire structure was inevitable.[26] Cesar Pelli, who designed the Petronas Towers in Malaysia and the World Financial Center in New York, remarked, "no building is prepared for this kind of stress".[27]

On September 13, 2001, Zdeněk Bažant, a professor of civil engineering and materials science at Northwestern University, published a draft paper with results of a simple analysis of the World Trade Center collapse. Bažant suggested that heat from the fires was a key factor, causing steel columns in both the core and the perimeter to weaken and experience deformation, before losing their carrying capacity and buckling. Then, once more than half of columns on a particular floor buckled, the above structure could no longer be supported and complete collapse of the structures occurred. Bažant's paper was later expanded and published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics, in January 2002.[28] Other analyses were conducted by MIT civil engineers Oral Buyukozturk and Franz-Josef Ulm, who also described a collapse mechanism on September 21, 2001.[29] They would later contribute to an MIT collection of papers on the WTC collapses edited by Eduardo Kausel called The Towers Lost and Beyond, published in May 2002.[30]



7 World Trade Center
7 World Trade Center on fire after the collapse of the Twin Towers on 9/11
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FEMA's provisional study was inconclusive regarding the collapse of 7 World Trade Center.[48] The investigation of the collapse of 7 WTC was done separately, and subsequent to the investigation of the Twin Towers' collapse. In June 2004, NIST released a progress report outlining its working hypothesis for 7 WTC, which was that a local failure in a critical column, caused by damage from either fire or falling debris from the collapses of the two towers, progressed first vertically and then horizontally to result in "a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure".[49][50]

On August 21, 2008, NIST released a draft of its final report on the collapse of 7 World Trade Center. In the report, NIST explains that fire was the main reason for the collapse, along with lack of water to fight the fire. The fire continued to burn throughout the afternoon on the lower floors, and at 5:20 pm. a critical column on the 13th floor buckled and triggered a progressive collapse of the entire structure.[51]

Other investigations

In 2003, three engineers at the University of Edinburgh published a paper in which they provisionally concluded that the fires alone (without any damage from the airplanes) could have been enough to bring down the WTC buildings. In their view, the towers were uniquely vulnerable to the effects of large fires on several floors at the same time.[52] When the NIST report was published, Barbara Lane, with the UK engineering firm Arup, criticized its conclusion that the structural damage resulting from the airplane impacts was a necessary factor in causing the collapses.[53] Jose L Torero from the BRE Centre for Fire Safety Engineering at the University of Edinburgh is pursuing further research into the potentially catastrophic effects of fire on real-scale buildings.[54][55][56
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In both cases, the commonly accepted process is that the damaged portion of the buildings failed, which allowed the section above the airplane impacts to fall onto the remaining structure below. Both buildings collapsed symmetrically and more or less straight down, though there was some tilting of the tops of the towers and a significant amount of fallout to the sides. As the collapse progressed, dust and debris could be seen shooting out of the windows several floors below the advancing destruction.

Owing to differences in the initial impacts, the collapses of the two towers were found to differ in some respects, but in both cases, the same sequence of events applies. After the impacts had severed exterior columns and damaged core columns, the loads on these columns were redistributed. The hat trusses at the top of each building played a significant role in this redistribution of the loads in the structure.

The impacts also dislodged some of the fireproofing from the steel, increasing its exposure to the heat of the fires. In the 102 minutes before the collapse of 1 WTC, the fires reached temperatures that – although well below the melting point – were high enough to weaken the core columns so that they underwent plastic deformation and creep from the weight of higher floors. The NIST report provides a model of the situation.
“ At this point, the core of WTC 1 could be imagined to be in three sections. There was a bottom section below the impact floors that could be thought of as a strong, rigid box, structurally undamaged and at almost normal temperature. There was a top section above the impact and fire floors that was also a heavy, rigid box. In the middle was the third section, damaged by the aircraft and weakened by heat from the fires. The core of the top section tried to move downward, but was held up by the hat truss. The hat truss, in turn redistributed the load to the perimeter columns. (p. 29) ”

The situation was similar in 2 WTC. In both towers, perimeter columns and floors were also weakened by the heat of the fires, causing the floors to sag and exerting an inward force on exterior walls of the building.

At 9:59 a.m., 56 minutes after impact, the sagging floors finally caused the eastern face of 2 WTC to buckle, transferring its loads back to the failing core through the hat truss and initiating the collapse; the section above the impact area then tilted in the direction of the failed wall. At 10:28 a.m., 102 minutes after the impact, the south wall of 1 WTC buckled, with similar consequences. After collapse ensued, the total collapse of the towers was inevitable due to the enormous weight of the towers above the impact areas.

A combination of three factors allowed the north tower to remain standing longer: the region of impact was higher (so the gravity load on the most damaged area was lighter), the speed of the plane was lower (so there was less impact damage), and the affected floors had received partially upgraded fire proofing.

Total progressive collapse

Analysis of video footage capturing the initial collapse and analysis of seismic data from Palisades, New York shows that the first fragments of the outer walls of the collapsed north tower struck the ground 9 seconds after the collapse started, and parts of the south tower after 11 seconds. The lower portions of both buildings cores (60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) remained standing for up to 25 seconds after the start of the initial collapse before they too collapsed. These times are approximate because dust obscured the view.[12][57]

An early analysis explains that the kinetic energy of the upper portion of the building falling onto the story below exceeded by an order of magnitude the amount of energy that the lower story could absorb,[28] crushing it and adding to the kinetic energy. This scenario repeated with each successive story, crushing the entire tower at near free-fall speed
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Portions of the outer shell of the North Tower lean against the remains of 6 WTC which suffered massive damage when the North Tower collapsed. The remains of 7 WTC are at upper right

Many of the surrounding buildings were also either damaged or destroyed as the towers fell. 5 WTC suffered a large fire and a partial collapse of its steel structure. Other buildings destroyed include St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church, Marriott World Trade Center (Marriott Hotel 3 WTC), South Plaza (4 WTC), and U.S. Customs (6 WTC). The World Financial Center buildings, 90 West Street, and 130 Cedar Street suffered fires. The Deutsche Bank Building, Verizon, and World Financial Center 3 suffered impact damage from the towers' collapse, as did 90 West Street. One Liberty Plaza survived structurally intact but sustained surface damage including shattered windows. 30 West Broadway was damaged by the collapse of 7 WTC. The Deutsche Bank Building, which was covered in a large black "shroud" after September 11 to cover the building's damage, is currently being deconstructed because of water, mold, and other severe damage caused by the neighboring towers' collapse.[59]
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Controlled demolition conspiracy theories

According to a 2006 poll, 16 percent of American adults believed that the World Trade Center may have been destroyed by controlled demolition rather than resulting from the plane impacts.[67] This idea has been rejected by NIST, which concluded that there were no explosives or controlled demolition involved in the collapses of the WTC towers.[12] Controlled demolition is also dismissed in the engineering literature[58] and is pursued mainly as part of larger conspiracy theories about the events of 9/11.
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What do you mean retardboy? There's been a major investigation obviously. Just because mentally unstable morons like you think something else happened they need to investigate again while they already have all the facts? Fucking idiot.
What investigation on you speaking about? Nobody has been charged with shit yet you stupid twink.
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there was molten steel flowing from the rubble! how? using any materials normally found in a building try to make a fire hot enough to melt steel! good luck!

it doesn't matter anyway, the government won. it's guys like you that the government relies on to believe this scam.
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all this shows the degree to which humans can imagine things & masses of people buy into it. A lot like God.
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I don't care how the buildings came down. I just want to know who was really behind it. The American Government spent more money investigating Bill Clinton's extramarital affairs then they did on who was behind the 9-11 attacks. The story about a bunch of Arabs that learned how to fly crop dusters were able to over come a plane full of people using box cutters, taking over plane they have never flown before and hitting and knocking down both towers.. Pilots with years of flying those planes have come foward to say that they couldn't pull the manuvers these guys had to do to line these planes up with those building and the Pentagon.. I hard time believing that. Call me a lunatic all day.
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just search 'WTC FLASHES' on Youtube watch the video/s

by the way no planes hit the WTC nor pentagon

Stop reading FEMA & NIST reports they are shit & totally controlled by the GOV/illuminati

YOU FUCKING FOOLS

terrorists LOL hahaha
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They didn't blow it up with nano-explosives, not even sure if that is a word

They used nano-technology to interact with the particles from the explosion.

The guy is basically saying, you can see the particles with your eyes, so much of it - it makes you question things. Before they even got to the micro level, they could see the material was layered together - in the exact order it takes to create this super high heat explosives.

When you get down to the nano level, they separated out the trash and could see the atoms in the un-exploded particles are still in line, the elements are still pure, the layers of compounds are perfectly inline.

IE: Created and Placed by a Human, at a very very large scale.



As for a conspiracy theory... The United States on Record - Has attacked itself to start a war, has allowed itself to be attacked and has declassified documents that shows they had plans to attack our own people/soil to start other possible wars.

Stop being a damn sheep.....
You break it down nicely. Unfortunately, it seems some are just here to name call and argue, with their minds wrapped tightly around a self-gratifying superiority complex, that your words were missed the first time.
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just search 'WTC FLASHES' on Youtube watch the video/s

by the way no planes hit the WTC nor pentagon

Stop reading FEMA & NIST reports they are shit & totally controlled by the GOV/illuminati

YOU FUCKING FOOLS

terrorists LOL hahaha
Anybody who believes the buildings came down from controlled explosions is just being silly.

However, anyone who believes there were no planes, it just plain stupid.

You are plain stupid.
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"Apparently the two airplane-impacts did not cause the towers to collapse"

No shit! ..Anyone with half a brain, a little common sense, and a pair of half working eyes can clearly see that it was a controlled demolition. I knew it the second I saw it on 9/11. Two 110 story buildings racing towards the ground at free fall speed only to collapse entirely within their own foot prints?? WTF? - Glaringly fucking obvious! Don?t even get me started on why WTC 7 SPONTANEOUSLY IMPLODED for NO REASON. Wake-TFU up people!
Do you really think the buildings were designed to take out half of lower manhattan in such event or to collapse on their own footprint?
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Do you really think the buildings were designed to take out half of lower manhattan in such event or to collapse on their own footprint?
I didn't know buildings were designed to collapse.
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Do you really think the buildings were designed to take out half of lower manhattan in such event or to collapse on their own footprint?
No, the structures were actually designed to absorb an impact from a plane and still stand, much like the Empire State Building when a plane crashed into it in 1945.
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There's no sense arguing with the whack-a-doodles. It's all been said, you can't change their minds. In the minds (and I use that word lightly) of Pornfan and his kind, the whole World's a giant Illumaniti conspiracy that they're among the few bright enough to have snooped out. It makes them feel special and gives them something to do.
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i'm glad they can't find tenants, it serves them right. i bet they never looked that far ahead when they picked them as targets. i can't wait to find out how they convince tenants to rent space in the new super structure.

they'll probably do something stupid like mount surface-to-air missles on the roof to shoot down potential threats.

remember when they said they were going to build a monument in memory of the victims! whatever happened to that plan?
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so what if it was blown up? the CIA had offices in there in addition to tons of government agencies. probably a lot of information and documents that they would have rather seen destroyed than to have salvage crews rummaging through for over a year right?
So you agree that building 7 was " pre-wired " ...????

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WT7 and what may or may not have happened, has ZERO to do with the notion that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition AFTER two very large commercial jets flew into them in front of millions of witnesses
The illusionist ....
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There's no sense arguing with the whack-a-doodles. It's all been said, you can't change their minds. In the minds (and I use that word lightly) of Pornfan and his kind, the whole World's a giant Illumaniti conspiracy that they're among the few bright enough to have snooped out. It makes them feel special and gives them something to do.
You talk like if these type of ' false-flag operations " never happened .... Is your tinfoil hat that good ????
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You talk like if these type of ' false-flag operations " never happened .... Is your tinfoil hat that good ????
Look, I agree there are things we don't know, may never know about that day. Did the US goverment know about, organize, turn a blind eye to or in any other way participate? We can't say for sure. Maybe one day it will come out.

What I'm talking about are the retards telling us about holographic planes, cruise missiles, illumanati, controlled demolitions and various other nonsense.
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that they're among the few bright enough to have snooped out. It makes them feel special and gives them something to do.
that's strange i found that the sense of superiority comes generally from those who never miss an opportunity to let everybody know that they do not believe in any conspiracy by insulting those who do.... Siding with the majority gives them the impression that they are right, sane and smart. That's the impression I get..

I'd like to know tho, who believes here that there has never been, say within the last 100 years, any known, admitted or declassified conspiracy of significance?

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kuwait was caught redhanded side drilling into iraq's oil wells. as a result iraq was going to kick some ass but the US stepped in to protect them.

congress would have never approved an attack iraq without a good reason like "they have weapons of mass destruction". so where are the WOMD? they couldn't find them so they staged the 9/11 attack. it's a joke to hear clueless people ask when they are going to pull the troops out of iraq! when are they going to pull them out? hmmm, lets see...when are we going to pull our troops out of asia or out of europe?

ask japan if the US government is capable of outrageous acts of terror and using weapons of mass destruction.

the news has us believe that iraq hates us because of our way of life and our freedoms. that they are jealous of us. they hate us because we fuck over any country that has something we need. we're not the police of the world, we're the bullies of the world.

just look at the shit that's going on in africa! how many troops are there fighting for their freedom?

why can't the governmet just man up and say "hey america, here's the deal. iraq has a shit load of oil and we need to control it or they can strangle our economy and put us back in the dark ages. so we need to go over there and set up camp to protect our interest in their oil...you dig?"
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shouldn't this building have collapsed? i mean, we're talking about more than half the building missing, not just a little section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
You realize with comments like this one you look extremely fucking stupid right?
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"Apparently the two airplane-impacts did not cause the towers to collapse"

No shit! ..Anyone with half a brain, a little common sense, and a pair of half working eyes can clearly see that it was a controlled demolition. I knew it the second I saw it on 9/11. Two 110 story buildings racing towards the ground at free fall speed only to collapse entirely within their own foot prints?? WTF? - Glaringly fucking obvious! Don?t even get me started on why WTC 7 SPONTANEOUSLY IMPLODED for NO REASON. Wake-TFU up people!
Exactly how should it have collapsed then? Please explain mr expert.
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my point is they expect us to believe minor damage to a steel structure will cause it
Minor damage?

Dude, get the fuck out of this thread you fucking moron and come back when you have a clue. Jesus, you people are insane. You just make shit up so you can scream and yell conspiracy. You're so fucking pathetic.

Minor damage...unbelievable.
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if you call a 757 flying into the structure and exploding, cutting most of its support away (the exoskeleton / elevator columns) "minor damage" - then you are delusional beyond help.
I can't believe you take the time to continue with this guy. The above quote was enough for me to realize he's delusional and there's no point in argueing with him any further.
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What investigation on you speaking about? Nobody has been charged with shit yet you stupid twink.
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/penttbomb.htm

Why are you so goddamn stupid and ignorant? I often wonder why conspiracy nuts have to be so fucking stupid.
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just search 'WTC FLASHES' on Youtube watch the video/s

by the way no planes hit the WTC nor pentagon

Stop reading FEMA & NIST reports they are shit & totally controlled by the GOV/illuminati

YOU FUCKING FOOLS

terrorists LOL hahaha


I was waiting for you. You are actually funny as fuck. We know by now you're simply crazy so i can't blame you anymore. I will just laugh
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Pilots with years of flying those planes have come foward to say that they couldn't pull the manuvers these guys had to do to line these planes up with those building and the Pentagon.. I hard time believing that. Call me a lunatic all day.
That's funny. I muse be delusional then. I saw with my own eyes on Dutch tv how they let a person fly a simulator and let him crash into the Pentagon. He never flew before (those Arabs had training) and he crashed into the Pentagon on the first try.

You fucking imbecile.
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