CrkMStanz

fiddy more justifications for theives

carry on

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gideongallery

that is the stupidest statement you have ever made
how much money did the movie industry make from vcr BEFORE they decided to sell movies on video tape (0)

If you don't exploit the technology, you are going to make dick all, but that the point
don't waste your time trying to kill the technology use it.

robbie all of the things we identified to do for mainstream tv shows if they wanted to monetize bit torrent was tested using porn videos.

Quite simply because the cost of aquiring the content rights to do the test were significantly cheaper (2k vs 1.5 million)

change your watermarks, you can more than triple your traffic from type ins
make a minor change to the branding bug that tells you the models name in the scene you can increase your revenue by 22.35%

add a live component and use branding bugs to upsell it in every video you release and you could increase retention by 31% (this one is an estimate based on return rates on type ins since i don't have a paysite to fully test it on)

all of those things would benefit you weather the content is sold or given away for free.

Add product placement deals (ET style) could both provide you new revenue source and significantly increase your market by giving you mainstream exposure.



it not a bad analogy becuase the exact same torrent file (swarm) is being used for both legitimate uses (timeshifting/backup/recovery) as illegal uses (copyright infringement) and you want to take down the swarm not the individuals who are actually doing the illegal uses.

All of your examples are about punishing the guilty and leaving the innocent in the same circumstance alone

that is the point i am making over and over again
punish the guilty leave those that do have a right alone
if that means leaving the technology alone or embracing it (setting up a private tracker).

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Robbie

Okay Gideon, now let me explain in real life why that hasn't worked for anybody yet. As far as the torrent sites are concerned...watermarking makes little difference because the torrent contains EVERYTHING on the paysites. They have ripped the entire sites and put them up for free. Please believe me, in PORN nobody is going to pay for something that they just got for free and continue to get the weekly updates for free as well.

As for Tubes...not only do the unscrupulous sites NOT put a link back to the rightful website, but they also set up their encoder on the tube site to crop the watermarks OFF.

So they steal your hard work and you get NO return traffic or sales from it because they want to only sell their shit traffic to the traffic brokers and the dating and cam sites.

Gideon, you keep saying it can "increase your revenue by 22.35%" No it won't and no it hasn't It has DECREASED every paysite owner whom I have spoken to in person revenue by 40% or more.

You are talking hypothetically and theoretically and I am telling you what is really happening right here at ground zero.

Again I say to you...If it's such a blessing to all of us...then WHY is everyone LOSING.

We know what we are doing. I KNOW how to market and how to push things. But when people are taking your product without your consent and then removing all identifying watermarks in order to maximize their sales to another product...well, I don't give a damn who you are, that causes you to lose money all day long.

As I said, I just blinked my eyes and someone somewhere just disproved your stats (that have NOTHING to do with the porn industry by the way) by uploading another stolen video that won't make it's creator a penny.

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

gideongallery

because you acting like the movie industry when jack valenti testified to congress
just like them of course you are not making any money off the technology your not using it yet.

(from his testimony to change the laws to outlaw imports of vcrs)

you see the problem but not the solution that can make you even more money

we didn't get less channels, we got more, the tv industry didn't make less money they made more. currently tv studios make more money from dvd sales then they made from commercials back before the vcrs (and the average cost per viewer of commercials has gone up too)

saying i am losing money because i am not properly embracing the technology doesn't prove that technology can't be embraced it just proves you are doing it wrong.

your statement proves that because rather then test out tv style watermarks you simply claim the will not work and bitch about the piracy problem.

You are talking to someone who did test out tv style watermarks on porn so when you tell me they don't work i know they work, i know that they do.

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Robbie

Gideon...we are all "using it" We didn't have any choice. And you don't know what you're talking about my friend. You aren't in this business and yet you keep trying to make matter of fact statements about how to market porn when you don't have a clue about it.

I pointed out to you that tube sites CROP OFF THE WATERMARK TO MAXIMIZE SALES AND TRAFFIC TO THEIR PRE-PAID CLIENTS Please think about that for a minute.

And then tell me again that I'm not "using" this "new technology"
As I said we are all "using it" because we had no choice. People steal our shit and put it up without our permission. So everybody should be making millions off of it already. Oops, I blinked my eyes and you were disproved again.

A "branding bug" Do you mean putting a piece of video every minute or so that stops the entire film and is basically a self advertisement for my website? Cute name. And yes, if we were all CHOOSING to advertise in a viral way on tubes and torrents then we would release footage of our choosing and put that "branding bug" in there.

But if we suddenly start putting it in our actual members videos? You know, the ones that are actually stolen, cropped, and posted? We would then proceed to piss off and lose our current members.

You're just plain wrong if you think this is some kind of "new technology" b.s. It's nothing more than theft and using other people's work to monetize someone else's lazy ass.

I just blinked and some dating company got a new free signup member from a Nasty Dollars video.

But keep trying to justify it gideon. Until we are all seeing these great revenue streams that we should be seeing because all of these stolen vids are up for free everywhere...then you're just talking theory that is NOT working.

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

gideongallery

if you haven't gotten it yet , i am mr ferris and you are jack "so fucking wrong every time" valenti.

http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm

read thru the transcript and see if how close your current statement is to what jacky boy was saying back then. Gloom and doom praying for the government to step in and change the laws to fix the problem of the vcr.

Fast forward to today and see how much money the vcr has brought to the american film producer. Ferris was right back then even though the movie industry WAS losing money hand over fist back then. It wasn't using the technology properly until they started selling movies for the devices. That where you are now, the biggest problem is you not even willing to do a split test when someone tells you the better way.

PS.
i am assuming your branding bugs tirade is another kids in a stolen military van stupid statement because i don't believe you are actually stupid enough to claim that the only way to copy tv style branding bugs is to go way overboard and make them a major annoyance that would totally piss of your customer base. That you would do a gradual increasing split test to find the perfect balance between what increases the value of the content (by giving useful information) and the final step to far (that causes your customer to quit).

80/20 split test can work really well for this. mainstream marketing have been using them for years.

PPS.
if you did them gradually (and correctly) you would find an improvement.

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$5 submissions

Good precedent... for Rome and maybe Italy. Unfortunately, it's not binding in other jurisdictions.

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Didn't work for her

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Major (Tom)

I am 100% against piracy, but I agree with this law. It is so easy to bum someone elses IP. It's the equivalent of being arrested because someone robbed a bank and the get away vehicle was yellow. You have a yellow car, therefore you are guilty. It's not like they are matching Liscense plates, or the equivalent mac id etc etc.
Smart ruling.
Duke

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Robbie

gideon, you still don't understand it do you? But then that's why you're a surfer and not in this business.

I would like to say to you that I think you are a bright guy. But there are a lot of bright guys on this forum (I know it's hard to tell with all the childishness) and there are a lot of people who are absolute masters of marketing as well.

Your vcr analogy is laughable to me. It has absolutely nothing to do with what is happening here. You can keep repeating it and making up cool stats to show us all how much money we can make.

And every paysite owner reading this knows the REAL stats that we all look at and compare to just a year ago. You're dead wrong gideon and I'm not "doom and gloom" I'm just telling it like it is as a very successful affiliate and a very successful paysite owner of which you are neither.

But since you have this all figured out...why not just buy some content and put together a generic website (plenty of others on here do the same thing as they buy all their content) and use your cute little branding bugs and watermarks and put it up for free all over the tubes and torrents.

Then you'll become a multi-millionaire and you can hire me to be your chauffeur and mow your lawn.

Guess what. You can't. Because it doesn't work like that at all.

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

gideongallery

my involvement in adult was only to test out the theories so they could be sold to mainstream tv shows.
1900 tv shows every year don't get picked up by the tv stations at NAB convention.
we can make way more money helping those shows fully fund their production (to the same level as the stations would provide) using bit torrent as the distribution method.

The problem was that we had to figuire out a way to do it so we had to do a hell of a lot of testing and we were not willing to spend 1.5 million per video to do it with real tv shows.

we did 237 test and identified a combination of 121 characteristics that need to be done correctly if you want to get a fully funded solution.

most turned a profit (covered the cost of the cost of the content, bandwidth and time) otheres broke even, and quite a few lost money. Luckily the profits exceed all the loss so our real out of pocket expense was very small (just cycled the money into the next test).

The only problem is we can use those test as proof because of mainstreams attitude against porn (that why we are looking for mainstream examples to do).

those test prove it will work for porn (despite the statements by paul markham) it just take a slightly different thinking to do it.

the attitude that mainstream solutions won't work for porn is exactly the reason you can't see it even though it is right in front of your eyes.

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Robbie

Then why are you still theorizing and testing?

Why aren't you working for a major production studio on mainstream so you can teach them how to make all this easy money?

And why aren't you doing what I just suggested? A few grand investment in content and you'd be a multi-millionaire just by using the torrents and tubes?

You keep telling me that I'm not "seeing" this? Well come on GG. You sure talk the talk, but let's see you walk the walk. You can't because it won't work.

If you think that you are the first guy to try to harness this and make huge profits...you're not.

It has already been done. Problem is it's being done on the backs of content producers and paysite owners. The only people making money are the ones using other people's content to sell cam sites and dating sites and sell traffic to traffic brokers.

I know that you may think you know the answers. But like I tried to tell you before Gideon...everytime you think you are the smartest in the room you can find somebody who can humble you. And there are plenty of very smart guys in this biz (as in all businesses) that have already thought of every angle and every aspect that you have. And it all failed because no matter how fancy you think you can be there are still certain laws of marketing that will yank your bullshit to the ground.

As The Beatles sang in "All You Need Is Love" : "There's nothing you can do that can't be done"

Your theories have not worked yet for anybody. So just buy some content, start a site, prove me wrong and live a life of luxury.

Go ahead, I'm daring you.

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

gideongallery

1. major studios are part of the problem, they want the status quo because they currently want to keep the 22/26 commercial spots for themselves.
2. the smaller studios are the ones that will benefit because there the one currently getting screwed by the system
3. we are working with the smaller studios, we are currently in the evaluation phase with quite a few of those smaller shows that have not been picked up yet, reviewing their unaired pilots to see if we can make them fit with our 121 point plan.


because every grand i waste investing in porn is a grand i could have used in the above mainstream push.

The only reason i would ever do something in porn is to test out a theory for the mainstream.

look at it this way which would you rather have a 10% of a 2k product placement deal or 5% of a 1 million dollar product placement deal.

do you understand how stupid you should right now

your basically saying that the tv industry which has produced over 1 million pages of documented research proving that animated watermark do a better job of branding a station are all wrong
and you should stick with 1970 style static watermarks because your porn guys are smarter.

your arguing that tv stations that have tested and found that those little bumpers upselling upcomming shows without pissing off the users won't work in porn at all. (the funny thing is the change i am talking about are so minor they will not even notice them)

in fact the advice i am giving you is the stuff that you can easily glem from just looking at what worked in mainstream ALREADY.

There is no way in hell i am going to give you the stuff we figuired out that isn't being used in mainstream yet.

your selling content/ creating branding retention just like a tv station, you don't have to do any of the tweeks that are necessary when you are selling an advertised good (coke, pepsi, blackberry etc) and i am never going to tell you those tweeks because that where our real money comes from.

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Robbie

Yeah gideon, I'm so stupid. We've had an animated watermark on our high quality streaming vid for oh...about the last 9 months. Welcome to yesterday genius.

But that doesn't help me as an affiliate nor does it help the entire industries sales because as many have pointed out before...there are a percentage of people who are just looking to jerk off everyday. That's where your whole comparison to television shows falls to pieces.

As long as there are mountains of product for free...it will lower everybodies bottom line.

Try to paint it however you want.

Now as far as YOU evaluating several small studios....LOL
I wonder if the studios in question realize this? Or even will give you the time of day or even know you exist.

You're being very egotistical here gideon. And it's over something that DOESN'T work. You keep claiming all these studies and theories but not ONE content producing studio either mainstream or porn has been able to do what you're saying.

The only exception in porn is Brazzers because of pornhub. Duplicating that isn't going to happen anytime soon my friend.

But again, if you're so sure it can be done...then do it smart guy.

Every grand invested in porn is a grand wasted that you could have invested in mainstream? Really?

Even though I made over half a million dollars in just the first year of Claudia-Marie's site in 2007?

That's just easy money for you gideon. Take a few grand, use your torrent and tube watermark and "branding bugs" (so cute) and turn it into a half million.. You should be able to do that in a couple of months with this incredible marketing strategy that you are the only one smart enough to see.

Then you'll have hundreds of thousands of dollars to invest in your precious mainstream.

That's just good business there. Easy money right here for the picking in porn without all the bullshit and real ripoffs of mainstream.

Again, I dare you. Prove it. You won't because you can't because it won't work.

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gideongallery

so you i have been telling you guys to do watermarks correctly for 3 years and you finally got around to it 9 months ago.

so maybe in 3 years from now you will finally get around doing branding bugs correctly.

and upselling the live interaction (fuck her fans stuff/live chat stuff)

as to the free stuff, your so right, no one would buy a tv series on dvd with all that free episodes airing on tv. That just crazy.

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kane

I'll interject something about mainstream shows that is just a thought on my part. It has nothing to do with the legality of torrents or anything like that. Here it is:

First: Many of these TV shows don't get picked up for three reasons. Either they suck or there are only so many slots to air them in so there is no room to put them on the air. Also there are some that don't get picked up just because of the cost of shooting them.. So assuming that that the show is good and is just a victim of there not being enough space they could find an audience online, but if the show sucks...it sucks and no amount of branding is going to change that.

Second: The viewer has a finite amount of time. Many shows get canceled simply because they get poor ratings. There is so much competition that these shows often have trouble finding an audience. When you put them online they are going to have to now compete with all the other shows that are on broadcast TV and cable, but now they have to compete against each other online. So I think you will still see a large number of shows not getting many viewers simply due to the saturation of content. I think Gideon said himself with his tests some shows made a profit, some broke even and many lost money. I think that is exactly what you will find if you put up mainstream shows en mass. Some of them will catch on and be successful and others will just do okay and break even and most will fail . If you keep costs down you won't have to make as much money for the show to succeed. Still each viewer only has so many hours in a day to watch TV and there are so many choices you will find you are going to get into a packed market. If you plan on the idea being that since you are marketing to the world as a whole now you have to figure out how to monetize those people. It is not enough to get eyeballs on the screen. You have to get eyeballs on the screen that will eventually go out and spend money on something. That could be a big hurdle to jump.


Anyway, just a thought.

Dirty Dane

gideon, actually the same simple method can be used to stop child porn, because it is illegal in all countries, as far I know. But you do not need to shut down ALL torrent sites or ALL porn sites, like you say. Domains or servers are individual cases, and each case is unique. If there is something illegal distributed, hosted or pointed to, and if the webmasters ignore it, then they are intentionally contributing to criminal activity, and that has to be stopped. There is nothing absurd about that. It is common sense.

You can twist this as much as you like, but these facts remain:
It is illegal activity that result in laws and regulations. Not legal activity.
It is the pirates that makes internet regulated. Not the original producers.

Robbie

1. You didn't tell me anything about watermarks 3 years ago. I have no idea what you're talking about.

2. I bought the Sidekick live cam chat software back in 2007 and we have done live interaction since the 3rd month of CM's websites existence. When I did that I had no idea what a torrent or a tube was or that you even existed...I did it because it's what I would want to see on a website and that's why I have always made good money in the entertainment business. Not because of you.

3. A TV series is NOT analogous to pornography. This is the most important thing you keep missing. Bro, I've done this a long time. And there are so many little factors that go into marketing and niches etc. that others miss, but I don't. But all of that gets thrown out of the window when you give it all away for free. This is NOT an episode of "Heroes" This is pornography. It feeds a different human need.

That's why despite all of your talk you can't DO what you claim. Go ahead. Again I DARE you. Buy some content and prove me wrong by becoming a multi-millionaire selling memberships to your paysite using torrents, tubes, watermarks, and branding bugs. I DARE you.

Talk is cheap Gideon. Your theories are total bullshit for porn sites.

And as far as laws and regulations go, Dirty Dane said it best in this thread:
"It is illegal activity that result in laws and regulations. Not legal activity.
It is the pirates that makes internet regulated. Not the original producers."

You see gideon, for years there was no need for all this bullshit. It wasn't until people started stealing and monetizing other people's work that things went to hell. And yeah, when you've have your entire livelihood at stake and all of your hard work and your children and your family depend on you...and then you watch your revenue stream taken from you while others profit off of it then YES, I can understand why that would lead many to desperately call for regulations.

But since you don't believe that and you're so much smarter than us. Then again, WHY aren't you a millionaire already?

Because it doesn't work.

"No Robbie, I'm working on mainstream and television shows, etc."

But yet you yourself have said that they don't believe your theories and you can't sell them on the idea either.

Gideon, I'll say it again. In all seriousness, I think you're a bright guy. But you are wasting whatever talents you have on an issue that is a dead end.

The reason that mainstream doesn't want to invest in it is because they know that new laws are coming. You are working with a concept that is dead on arrival. It doesn't work and it will soon be a moot point.

But one more time...Since you are so convinced. Stop being just another nameless, faceless braggart on GFY and actually DO something. Prove me wrong. Small investment, HUGE returns. Start a paysite and do it Gideon. What do you have to lose?

According to you nothing. And you will make money...lots of money.

You won't and you can't.

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

gideongallery

do a gfy search, i mentioned watermarks 3 years ago when i first started making the points about fair use (it was one of those thread you jumped in and kept arging that copyright was an absolute right/monopoly)

but your still not using branding bugs right,
book mark this thread 3 years from now when you finally start using branding bugs correctly you should remember who told you to do it.

However given your last denial (see above) i doubt it will happen you will simply claim you came up with it yourself.

i am not saying they are exactly the same, but they have many of the same similarities. The fact that you adopted animated watermarks proves it. If the were such different animals that nothing that works for them will ever work for you you would have tried it and switched back faster than you can "see this does not work".

every porn site that does split testing between animated (no more intrusive then tv shows) and non animated see a significant improvement in customer value (retention, happiness, interactivity etc). It basic NLP and your own stats would prove it.



i am a traffic guy
and traffic is dirt cheap in the porn world
tube site traffic is only between .75 per 1000 and if your lucky $7
it averages around $2/ k

to get a video featured on youtube cost minimum 5 cents per click or $50/k and averages $150/k

i am a person who can do a title tag optimization of a video and get 53,874 in 4 days




(it takes me less 3 hours to do that level of analysis by the way which translates into $500/hour)

i am never going to make that kind of money in adult when competitive traffic source sells for $.75 /k.




i would rather sell my skills for $27.35/k then $.25/k
your assuming that i make most of my money in adult, i don't
the little trick i figuired out to get those 56k of target views (picking the exact right keywords/order to get 1st page listing on 2047 different keyword phrases) i learned testing out using adult content.

i made 100 x more money selling "featured video" buyers my services then i ever made doing the same thing in adult.


only if you are a world class moron who mistakenly believes that just because tv stations who are currently taking 22/26 commercial spots are not interested all the other tv producers who are currently getting screwed haven't given us all kinds of content to run our test on.

1900 tv shows are rejected every year, the mailing list from nab of producer booths cost less than a grand to get. And 37% sent us the copies of the shows on the first mailing.
37% of 1900 is not nothing.

so far the best matching show only matches on 103/121 of the necessary key points. If i controled the production/could re edit the content i could get the last little bits but i don't so we have to keep finding one that perfectly matches.

If we pick the wrong one and just barely fail it still a failure so we are not jumping the gun on the mainstream test especially when the money is so much higher in that marketplace.

don't confuse caution with failure. That being said when the cost of production is so low, you don't NEED to meet anywhere close to the 121 conditions to succeed. porn guys can cover cost with as little as 43 conditions in place. Most of you guys have all of those 43 conditions in place right now so all it would take is implementing some insignificant changes to take advantage of them.


i have told you the money is better in mainstream
you can independently check and see that the money is better in mainstream (buy traffic to a video at youtube/ buy traffic from choker)
you have a concrete proof of my skill level in title only keyword optimization.
Do you really believe that if i went to a person paying youtube 15 cent per click to their video showed them that screen shot and said pay me 2.735 cents per click and i will do that natural seo optimization i could convince say 1% of those people to take me up on the offer. Especially when i tell them they can put the money in escrow and only pay me for the hits i actually deliver.

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Robbie

Just started reading your reply and had to stop right there.
YOU ARE LYING

I joined GFY in 2002 but didn't even log back into it for a few years. Just ignored it. I didn't start posting here again until after May of 2007 TWO years ago when I opened claudia-marie.com

You have done this several times where you try to claim I did or said something that I DID NOT.

So there is LIE NUMBER ONE in your reply.

Now I'll go back and start taking your shit apart once more. Until you actually do something your shit is just theoretical garbage that doesn't work in the real world.

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

Robbie

Gideon, I had no idea that a mainstream movie has an "animated watermark" It had no bearing whatsoever in my decision. The only reason I put them on our high quality streaming vids is that my programmer and I had finally scripted in the last things to stop Replay Media from stealing them. And when we finished that we scripted in a "watermark" that really isn't what you are calling a watermark. It actually displays on the screen of the player the username and ip address of the person viewing the stream. So if they were to use a screen recorder to steal it...I catch them.

So check your ego again. You aren't responsible for any decisions that I have made or done in my business. When you have a GOOD idea I'll let you know and I'll definitely use it.

And your claim that my own stats prove it is bullshit. My stats are what they are because of good old customer satisfaction and happiness with a superior product being delivered in the niche they love.

You fail again.

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

Robbie

I can't even continue to keep quoting you...it's all too ridiculous.

Your claim of how much your "skills" are worth is laughable at best. Your "skills" are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them. Just like the rest of us. So far that is ZERO with this "new technology"

You are kicking back trying to tell me that it's not worth your time to make hundreds of thousands of dollars right away with your branding bugs and animated watermarks on tubes and torrents with porn because it's just not enough money....AND THEN you admit that nobody in mainstream is buying what you're selling either!

LOL!

This has been fun gideon. But my objective was to show all of GFY...just in case anybody on this board doubted it...that you are simply obsessed with defending thieves and all of this talk about "marketing" that you have now switched to was just another way for you to try and justify stealing.

Again I'll say it...you can fantasize that you are "smarter" than all of us all day long. But when I challenge you to actually do it...you have nothing but excuses.

And excuses are for losers. Winners don't need them. Good day gideongallery

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ClaudiaMarie.Com

gideongallery

i guess we are going back to i will make something up and then pretend that you said bullshit again

wow twice in the same thread.
that a new record for you robbie boy.

i will make it simple for you

1. i test out a theory in adult (ie keyword density allocation) because the content cost is way cheaper
2. if it works i stop doing it in adult
3. I sell the service in mainstream (all the customer who bought my title optimization service)
4. they pay me way more money

i will work for pennies if teaches me something i can make a lot of money from later
i will not work for pennies when their are still clients who will pay me dollars.

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