Over the Counter Testosterone Replacement that works?

[PornoMonster]

Heard a radio ad for "Charger Test"
Any of these actually work?

[Dirty F]

Nothing really works. Nothing legal. I think you're best bet is ZMA.

[Dirty F]

Don't waste your money on crazy expensive powders and fluids with fancy names. It's bullshit.

[Dirty F]

Especially names with boost and test etc in them...avoid!

[L-Pink]

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[L-Pink]

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[PornoMonster]

Thanks DirtyF Umm I googled the ZMA. Any Specific brand?

[L-Pink]

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[Dirty F]

Maybe add some tribulus. Even if i doesn't work it is cheap and will give you extra energy. And buy maca. Very healthy stuff and very cheap.
Zma, tribulus and maca. You're welcome.

[Robbie]

Your best bet is to just score some real testosterone.

It's legal in most countries (except the "free" USA of course). If you live on the West Coast of the United States you can just drive across the border to Tijuana and buy it right over the counter at any drug store.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Thanks DirtyF Umm I googled the ZMA. Any Specific brand?

Brand should not matter because it's all the same ingredients. You can buy them yourself if you want. It's about the right measurements. The right combination. Most brands offer that though.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Your best bet is to just score some real testosterone.

It's legal in most countries (except the "free" USA of course). If you live on the West Coast of the United States you can just drive across the border to Tijuana and buy it right over the counter at any drug store.

With you being the perfect example why you should stay away from that stuff. The irony.

[bronco67]

I love ZMA -- for the great sleeps and funky dreams -- but it doesn't boost testosterone. I was going to the doctor and getting regular T level tests, and the entire time I was taking ZMA. There was no difference in levels.

There is nothing over the counter that will significantly raise your levels. Just stuff like Androgel is all that works.

I went through a whole low T drama recently, and had a double varicocelectomy. I'm having my first 3 month blood test since the operation in January to see if my levels are back up. If not, then my doc will put me on Testim or Androgel.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I love ZMA -- for the great sleeps and funky dreams -- but it doesn't boost testosterone. I was going to the doctor and getting regular T level tests, and the entire time I was taking ZMA. There was no difference in levels.

I also don't believe it does. Nothing legal does. But it does help you working out.

[BigChad]

revitalabs is always advertised on Bubba the Love Sponge. Not sure how well it works. The developer is a DR.

[DraX]

Is it for building muscles or do you just want it at peak ?

I talked with a personal trainer recently and he told me about

Tribulus

Tribulus does not add extra testosterone but rather keep it at a maximum

I never got it because I dont really need it but he recommended it. Bullshit or not, I might try it sometime.

I focus on eating and taking amino acids together with excersise

[PornoMonster]

I am just getting older, and want to keep my body fat off and increase in energy. 41

[bns666]

Biotest Alpha Male (contains tribulus and 2 other quite powerful components)

http://www.t-nation.com/store/supple...alpha-male.jsp

don't buy anything before reading online reviews on at least 5 sites.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by bns666

Biotest Alpha Male (contains tribulus and 2 other quite powerful components)

http://www.t-nation.com/store/supple...alpha-male.jsp

don't buy anything before reading online reviews on at least 5 sites.

Hilarious sales pitch from t-nation:

So, if you're interested in maximizing T and reducing body fat and feeling like kicking ass and taking names, Alpha MaleTM Maximum Strength Pro-Testosterone formula is the animal for you.

Kicking ass and taking names.....I want that felling NOW......where the hell do I signup!?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Your best bet is to just score some real testosterone.

It's legal in most countries (except the "free" USA of course). If you live on the West Coast of the United States you can just drive across the border to Tijuana and buy it right over the counter at any drug store.

I have a prescription for it

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I have a prescription for it

Yep, that's why it's illegal here. lol

So we have to pay overinflated prices for a prescription.

I can spend $400 and have a years supply just by buying it out of the country.

And for ALL healthy men over the age of 40 or so...it's a must if you want to keep enough testosterone in your system to remain a man.

Otherwise your natural test production will just continue to get less and less.

Read something a while back that said the average 65 year old man has less testosterone than an 18 year old girl!

When I was in my 30's I used all the supplements that are supposed to help produce test in your body. I used tribulus and all that stuff. It made my dick hard. lol

But once you get to a certain age (a little different for everyone's physiology...but usually somewhere in your 40's) you just don't have enought testosterone left in your body to feel "good" anymore.

Once you get those levels back up you will feel happier, more alert, more focused, and your sex life will be back too. As an added bonus you will burn off some of that fat that comes with too much estrogen in a man's body.

As long as you use maybe one CC a week (200 ml/cc) you are gonna feel like a million bucks and be as healthy as a horse.
If you go overboard and try to be Mr. Olympia however, you may run into health issues.

Like everything else in this world, moderation is the key.

[TheSquealer]

Nothing works but to increase testosterone and pro hormones and other steroids. Nothing is going to work that doesn't require a prescription by law.

[TheSquealer]

silly kids.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942

The effect of five weeks of Tribulus terrestris supplementation on muscle strength and body composition during preseason training in elite rugby league players.

Rogerson S, Riches CJ, Jennings C, Weatherby RP, Meir RA, Marshall-Gradisnik SM.
Source School of Exercise Science and Sport Management, Southern Cross University Lismore, New South Wales, Australia. [email protected]
Abstract

Tribulus terrestris is an herbal nutritional supplement that is promoted to produce large gains in strength and lean muscle mass in 5-28 days (15, 18). Although some manufacturers claim T. terrestris will not lead to a positive drug test, others have suggested that T. terrestris may increase the urinary testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio, which may place athletes at risk of a positive drug test. The purpose of the study was to determine the effect of T. terrestris on strength, fat free mass, and the urinary T/E ratio during 5 weeks of preseason training in elite rugby league players. Twenty-two Australian elite male rugby league players (mean +/- SD; age = 19.8 +/- 2.9 years; weight = 88.0 +/- 9.5 kg) were match-paired and randomly assigned in a double-blind manner to either a T. terrestris (n = 11) or placebo (n = 11) group. All subjects performed structured heavy resistance training as part of the club's preseason preparations. A T. terrestris extract (450 mg.d(-1)) or placebo capsules were consumed once daily for 5 weeks. Muscular strength, body composition, and the urinary T/E ratio were monitored prior to and after supplementation. After 5 weeks of training, strength and fat free mass increased significantly without any between-group differences. No between-group differences were noted in the urinary T/E ratio. It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days. Furthermore, T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency's urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

silly kids.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942

The effect of five weeks of Tribulus terrestris supplementation on muscle strength and body composition during preseason training in elite rugby league players.

Rogerson S, Riches CJ, Jennings C, Weatherby RP, Meir RA, Marshall-Gradisnik SM.
Source School of Exercise Science and Sport Management, Southern Cross University Lismore, New South Wales, Australia. [email protected]
Abstract

Tribulus terrestris is an herbal nutritional supplement that is promoted to produce large gains in strength and lean muscle mass in 5-28 days (15, 18). Although some manufacturers claim T. terrestris will not lead to a positive drug test, others have suggested that T. terrestris may increase the urinary testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio, which may place athletes at risk of a positive drug test. The purpose of the study was to determine the effect of T. terrestris on strength, fat free mass, and the urinary T/E ratio during 5 weeks of preseason training in elite rugby league players. Twenty-two Australian elite male rugby league players (mean +/- SD; age = 19.8 +/- 2.9 years; weight = 88.0 +/- 9.5 kg) were match-paired and randomly assigned in a double-blind manner to either a T. terrestris (n = 11) or placebo (n = 11) group. All subjects performed structured heavy resistance training as part of the club's preseason preparations. A T. terrestris extract (450 mg.d(-1)) or placebo capsules were consumed once daily for 5 weeks. Muscular strength, body composition, and the urinary T/E ratio were monitored prior to and after supplementation. After 5 weeks of training, strength and fat free mass increased significantly without any between-group differences. No between-group differences were noted in the urinary T/E ratio. It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days. Furthermore, T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency's urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1.

Which silly kids? Everybody here said nothing legal works. Including tribulus. Try reading the thread before your bash next time.

[BareBacked]

why would you want something over the counter ?

there are some natural things you can do to increase if you want to go that route.

[mompov]

Can't believe no one mentioned Tongkat Ali or "long jack".... The stuff works if you get the kind sold at Whole Foods and take it twice a day. Look it up! I heard its good to cycle it on and off. I usually did the larger bottle, then took a few weeks off... then do the large bottle again, and so on. Have you seen my facials?

[d-null]

Originally Posted by mompov

Can't believe no one mentioned Tongkat Ali or "long jack".... The stuff works if you get the kind sold at Whole Foods and take it twice a day. Look it up! I heard its good to cycle it on and off. I usually did the larger bottle, then took a few weeks off... then do the large bottle again, and so on. Have you seen my facials?

people are mixing up libido with testosterone, some of these supplements, tribulus being one, might actually do something for libido or for erections, but they do it completely independently of anything testosterone related

if it is just for sexual reasons then some of the supplements are worth a second look

but if you are trying to boost testosterone to more youthful levels, then you pretty much need to go the hormonal route which is not available over the counter

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Dirty F

Which silly kids? Everybody here said nothing legal works. Including tribulus. Try reading the thread before your bash next time.

I was responding to bns666 and DraX.

My reading comprehension is just fine.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

I was responding to bns666 and DraX.

My reading comprehension is just fine.

Bite me.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by d-null

people are mixing up libido with testosterone, some of these supplements, tribulus being one, might actually do something for libido or for erections, but they do it completely independently of anything testosterone related

if it is just for sexual reasons then some of the supplements are worth a second look

but if you are trying to boost testosterone to more youthful levels, then you pretty much need to go the hormonal route which is not available over the counter

This is exactly what I am trying to do. I have no sexual problems yet, ha. Just tired, loss of energy, seem to gain weight easily and so on.

I was just checking to see if there was something natural or over the counter supplements that did help somehow boost the test levels...

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

I was just checking to see if there was something natural or over the counter supplements that did help somehow boost the test levels...

Nope, because every time someone comes up with something...the govt. jumps in and makes it illegal.

The govt. are our parents and we are just children who can't be allowed to make decisions you know.

[mompov]

I experience all of the side effects of increased test from taking Tongkat Ali consistently for 2-3 weeks... I never noticed anything from ZMA... just saying. There will be schools of thought for and against any substance, natural or over the counter. To help boost Test, I think Tongkat worked for me.

Also eating the right foods works... and good old fashioned working out with high intensity would be the best over the counter remedy.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by mompov

I experience all of the side effects of increased test from taking Tongkat Ali consistently for 2-3 weeks... I never noticed anything from ZMA... just saying. There will be schools of thought for and against any substance, natural or over the counter. To help boost Test, I think Tongkat worked for me.

Also eating the right foods works... and good old fashioned working out with high intensity would be the best over the counter remedy.

It depends on so many things. Your age, your food, your work out routine etc.
The only thing is suggest taking next to your normal food is Maca. No matter your age, gender, if you work out or not. It's good stuff.
ZMA and Trib *might* help you in the gym. It will help you get rock hard morning wood for sure
Tongkat i never tried but i read good things about it.
I bet there are some other natural products that are good for you. Just stay away from blue, purple and pink bottles with crazy names.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by mompov

I experience all of the side effects of increased test from taking Tongkat Ali consistently for 2-3 weeks... I never noticed anything from ZMA... just saying. There will be schools of thought for and against any substance, natural or over the counter. To help boost Test, I think Tongkat worked for me.

Also eating the right foods works... and good old fashioned working out with high intensity would be the best over the counter remedy.

How old are you? You are correct in what you're saying...up to a certain age. Then none of that will work anymore as your body simply will not produce enough testosterone any more no matter what you do.

That's why healthy young people should NEVER use testosterone. It will cause their natural production to shut down. Stay away from it as long as you can...and then when you are in your late 30's/early 40's IF you start noticing body fat, depression, feeling like shit...then it might be time to think about seeing a doctor and getting your manhood back.

[Slappin Fish]

Heavy squats and proper nutrition will boost your test. but it doesn't come in a pill so most people don't bother. If you're older and there is a severe decline, like Robbie said go see your doctor.

[VenusBlogger]

Originally Posted by Robbie

How old are you? You are correct in what you're saying...up to a certain age. Then none of that will work anymore as your body simply will not produce enough testosterone any more no matter what you do.

you cant be YOUNG forever... Accept it, your young ages are long gone... We live only once, and the young ages are only one time in your life.. Taking meds or steroids or hormones will NOT BRING those years back. Accept it, your golden years of the 1980's are not coming back, we are in 2012, and you cannot go back.

If you take steroids, they will only KILL YOU soon or late.

If you decide to ignore that fact and keep taking STEROIDS, you will soon or late, PAY THE PRICE.

And what else do you take? PROPECIA for your hairloss? any other meds?

I cant believe how will you be when all the long term SIDE EFFECTS of those meds kick in, dude.

I told you, but you never wanted to listen... ok, go ahead, its your body.



BTW, why does PornoMonster want TESTOSTERONE replacement?


Just sayin...

[babymaker]

I think I defiantly need this stuff, i have no energy or focus latley, past couple years. I get tons of excersise and eat right, but now I am 44, most that know me don't belive it and think I am 30's but I am old as fuck and really feel it, when I read this thread and watched some of the commercials for low T it all definetly fits. Guess I will check it out, who do you go see?

[VenusBlogger]

Originally Posted by babymaker

I think I defiantly need this stuff, i have no energy or focus latley, past couple years. I get tons of excersise and eat right, but now I am 44, most that know me don't belive it and think I am 30's but I am old as fuck and really feel it, when I read this thread and watched some of the commercials for low T it all definetly fits. Guess I will check it out, who do you go see?

well buddy, its the sign of ages, its normal..

its your body, but I would personally stay away from STEROIDS..

[woj]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

you cant be YOUNG forever... Accept it, your young ages are long gone... We live only once, and the young ages are only one time in your life.. Taking meds or steroids or hormones will NOT BRING those years back. Accept it, your golden years of the 1980's are not coming back, we are in 2012, and you cannot go back.

If you take steroids, they will only KILL YOU soon or late.

If you decide to ignore that fact and keep taking STEROIDS, you will soon or late, PAY THE PRICE.

And what else do you take? PROPECIA for your hairloss? any other meds?

I cant believe how will you be when all the long term SIDE EFFECTS of those meds kick in, dude.

I told you, but you never wanted to listen... ok, go ahead, its your body.



BTW, why does PornoMonster want TESTOSTERONE replacement?


Just sayin...

lets not confuse some 20 year old kid buying steroids online, with some 50 year old taking it with doctor's approval and supervision...

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

Heavy squats and proper nutrition will boost your test. but it doesn't come in a pill so most people don't bother. If you're older and there is a severe decline, like Robbie said go see your doctor.

shocked nobody suggested this earlier... go heavy in the gym, do man exercises and not pussy curls and your test goes up naturally. My gym is full of clean guys in their 50's doing exactly that and have been for years. The medicated ones burn out after a few months or so.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

shocked nobody suggested this earlier... go heavy in the gym, do man exercises and not pussy curls and your test goes up naturally. My gym is full of clean guys in their 50's doing exactly that and have been for years. The medicated ones burn out after a few months or so.

BULLSHIT. You have nobody in your gym in their "50's" full of natural testosterone.

You should do a little research before you say something as fucking stupid as that. lol

Science and medicine say you are 100% wrong.

I work out harder than any 50 year old you know. And I'm gonna go with what doctors tell me over your anecdotal bullshit on a message board.

[Dirty F]

Robbie, you sound like a bad case of roid rage.

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

well buddy, its the sign of ages, its normal..

its your body, but I would personally stay away from STEROIDS..

We are not talking about juicing up. Talking about replacing what is lost due to aging. You know the NORMAL amount of Steroids that your body use to produce....

Nothing wrong with staying young.

[money biz]

Eggs,oatmeal in the morning. Dead lifts, Squats, and tire pushes. Avacado is a fat that boosts test too.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by money biz

Eggs,oatmeal in the morning. Dead lifts, Squats, and tire pushes. Avacado is a fat that boosts test too.

And all of that will definitely work if you are still at an age where you can physically produce enough testosterone in your body.
Once your body's natural maximum production (maximum meaning you are doing everything you stated to cause it to produce more) falls below healthy levels (usually begins to really get low in your 40's)...then it's time to supplement it.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by money biz

Eggs,oatmeal in the morning. Dead lifts, Squats, and tire pushes. Avacado is a fat that boosts test too.

Dead lifts, Squats, and tire pushes........ shit, you tired me out just reading that

[slapass]

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

you cant be YOUNG forever... Accept it, your young ages are long gone... We live only once, and the young ages are only one time in your life.. Taking meds or steroids or hormones will NOT BRING those years back. Accept it, your golden years of the 1980's are not coming back, we are in 2012, and you cannot go back.

If you take steroids, they will only KILL YOU soon or late.

If you decide to ignore that fact and keep taking STEROIDS, you will soon or late, PAY THE PRICE.

And what else do you take? PROPECIA for your hairloss? any other meds?

I cant believe how will you be when all the long term SIDE EFFECTS of those meds kick in, dude.

I told you, but you never wanted to listen... ok, go ahead, its your body.



BTW, why does PornoMonster want TESTOSTERONE replacement?


Just sayin...

When you get there, you will understand. Why trade 40 years of being old for 15-20 of feeling young again? Because it is a valid trade. Any time loss at the over 80 years is hardly worth much.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Your best bet is to just score some real testosterone.

It's legal in most countries (except the "free" USA of course). If you live on the West Coast of the United States you can just drive across the border to Tijuana and buy it right over the counter at any drug store.

Not that easy any more or at least its going to cost you more now days.

They have a new prescription law and some of the places stick to it pretty good.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Not that easy any more or at least its going to cost you more now days.

They have a new prescription law and some of the places stick to it pretty good.

You can still get it with no problem.

But you can also just go to your doctor of course. It'll just cost a LOT more.