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edgeprod 01-08-2015 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20350782)
just don't confuse religious people with people that accept a god in their lives... big difference.. :2 cents:

Delusion is delusion. :2 cents:

candyflip 01-10-2015 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20348854)
Id say from a practical standpoint, if he's facing these charges and has a public defender, he's going to prison with 100% certainty. Interestingly, his loving supporters from the church(s) aren't interested in raising money for legal fees. I'd guess that those who know him best, have some doubts as to his innocence.

From what his mother posts on his page, his Public Defender "opted out" and has gotten his or herself off of the case. A new one has been assigned.

crockett 01-10-2015 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20351105)
Delusion is delusion. :2 cents:

This...Some are just less crazy than others.

Grapesoda 01-10-2015 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20351105)
Delusion is delusion. :2 cents:

I would say that sums it very clearly :winkwink:

TheSquealer 01-10-2015 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 20353906)
From what his mother posts on his page, his Public Defender "opted out" and has gotten his or herself off of the case. A new one has been assigned.

damn....

"I just heard that the public defender opted out, so they appointed him another one and will go back in a week.keep praying everyone. This is good news! ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD, TO THEM WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, TO THEM WHO ARE THE CALLED ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE. I just came through some big ordeals in my life for over two years and I thought I was through with hard times. But God has other plans for me. He gave me strength to go through them and taught me to depend on Him, no matter what it looked like. So I'm going to take what I learned then, and apply it to this. Because "ALL" things do work together for good, no matter what it looks like. He's got it all under control! I am so lucky I have Him!! I couldn't make it without Him, my Lord Jesus Christ."
Children got raped because its "part of Gods plan"

candyflip 01-11-2015 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20353950)
Children got raped because its "part of Gods plan"

They are a sick bunch of fucks.

Jman 01-12-2015 08:21 AM

Any news on what is happening with the Psycho?

Rochard 01-12-2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jman (Post 20355049)
Any news on what is happening with the Psycho?

He had a bail hearing last week, trying to have his bail reduced, but that was canceled due to issues with his public defender. According to Donny this is all part of "God's plan"....

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I just heard that the public defender opted out, so they appointed him another one and will go back in a week.keep praying everyone. This is good news! ALL THINGS WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD, TO THEM WHO ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, TO THEM WHO ARE THE CALLED ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE. I just came through some big ordeals in my life for over two years and I thought I was through with hard times. But God has other plans for me. He gave me strength to go through them and taught me to depend on Him, no matter what it looked like. So I'm going to take what I learned then, and apply it to this. Because "ALL" things do work together for good, no matter what it looks like. He's got it all under control! I am so lucky I have Him!! I couldn't make it without Him, my Lord Jesus Christ.

So I guess he is hoping for some bail reduction (which I still doubt himself or his mother would be able to meet), and then we wait for his trail.

JJ Gold 01-15-2015 10:01 AM

More charges against Pauling expected

Additional alleged victims have been identified in the criminal investigation of anti-pornography activist Donny Pauling Jr., according to statements made in court.

Pauling, 41, appeared in Sutter County Superior Court on Wednesday with a new private attorney, Roberto Marquez.

During the hearing, Deputy District Attorney Anu Chopra said she would be filing new charges.

Pauling is currently charged for crimes against a single victim ? felony unlawful sex, lewd acts with a child under 14, and oral copulation with a child under 14 ? for an alleged ongoing sexual relationship with a teen girl. He was arrested Dec. 1.

He has pleaded not guilty.

On Dec. 16, Sutter sheriff's Capt. Lewis McElfresh was arrested on charges stemming from allegations he watched Pauling have sex with another girl, a minor.

Pauling has not yet been charged for those allegations relating to a second alleged victim.

Chopra said there are additional victims.

Pauling is scheduled to appear in court on Friday, when Marquez will argue to have bail reduced from $500,000.

Judge Susan E. Green scheduled the hearing and said Pauling's bail may be lowered, remain the same, or it may increase depending on what new information is presented.

Pauling remains in custody at the Colusa County Jail. He was moved from the Sutter County Jail after the allegations were made that he had sex with a sheriff's employee's relative, a minor.

More charges against Pauling expected - Appeal-Democrat: News

Grapesoda 01-15-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Gold (Post 20358983)
More charges against Pauling expected

Additional alleged victims have been identified in the criminal investigation of anti-pornography activist Donny Pauling Jr., according to statements made in court.

Pauling, 41, appeared in Sutter County Superior Court on Wednesday with a new private attorney, Roberto Marquez.

During the hearing, Deputy District Attorney Anu Chopra said she would be filing new charges.

Pauling is currently charged for crimes against a single victim ? felony unlawful sex, lewd acts with a child under 14, and oral copulation with a child under 14 ? for an alleged ongoing sexual relationship with a teen girl. He was arrested Dec. 1.

He has pleaded not guilty.

On Dec. 16, Sutter sheriff's Capt. Lewis McElfresh was arrested on charges stemming from allegations he watched Pauling have sex with another girl, a minor.

Pauling has not yet been charged for those allegations relating to a second alleged victim.

Chopra said there are additional victims.

Pauling is scheduled to appear in court on Friday, when Marquez will argue to have bail reduced from $500,000.

Judge Susan E. Green scheduled the hearing and said Pauling's bail may be lowered, remain the same, or it may increase depending on what new information is presented.

Pauling remains in custody at the Colusa County Jail. He was moved from the Sutter County Jail after the allegations were made that he had sex with a sheriff's employee's relative, a minor.

More charges against Pauling expected - Appeal-Democrat: News

how strange.... innocent??? maybe however I haven't been arrested and charged for shooting crack dealers in south central :2 cents:

TheSquealer 01-15-2015 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20359015)
how strange.... innocent??? maybe however I haven't been arrested and charged for shooting crack dealers in south central :2 cents:

Donny wants you to know they are just idle threats and scare tactics of an over-zealous DA to persecute an innocent, God fearing man diligently following the path of the righteous.
From Donny: On December 10th my Public Defender was going to ask the judge to reduce my bail. In response, Deputy D.A. Chopra stated that in the coming week she would be adding a "second victim" to my charges. Her threat worked. My Public Defender decided not to ask for bail reduction until the new charges were added. Those charges were "NOT" added. It was a tactic used by the Deputy D.A. to keep me in jail. Now I have a private attorney. This attorney asked the judge yesterday, to hear his plea for bail reduction tomorrow. The Deputy D.A. argued against this hearing, but lost. So now she is threatening to add two more victims. Again, this is a tactic on her part to try influencing the judge not to reduce my bail. I can't earn money to pay for my defense from behind bars. Please pray that my attorney is successful in arguing for bail reduction. The hearing is tomorrow at 9am.
And his supporters have this to say to non-believers such as yourself:

Praying Donny. God's justice will prevail. God is there already. May His peace be all over you, peace that knows no bounds. God is for you so who can be against. The Battle is His. "Be still Donny & know I AM God" He loves you Donny. He will not leave you where you are. He will bring you through this. God bless & hang in there. Please know that whatever it looks like you are not alone. Love you brother xox

nico-t 01-15-2015 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20359287)
Praying Donny. God's justice will prevail. God is there already. May His peace be all over you, peace that knows no bounds. God is for you so who can be against. The Battle is His. "Be still Donny & know I AM God" He loves you Donny. He will not leave you where you are. He will bring you through this. God bless & hang in there. Please know that whatever it looks like you are not alone. Love you brother xox

complete and utter obsessive, psychotic scribblings. These people are fucking crazy, and that's an understatement.

TheSquealer 01-15-2015 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 20359328)
complete and utter obsessive, psychotic scribblings. These people are fucking crazy, and that's an understatement.

I view it as an amusing paradox. When one devotes themselves to ANY set of beliefs, they are going to always remain consistent with and behave in a manner consistent with those beliefs. The paradox in this case, is that for one person to have God on his side, directly implies that the others (i.e. victims) do not. If you've devoted your life to an idea (or any belief system which guys your life) such as that which says that God is in control, you can't just simply abandon it as that would shatter in one moment everything you know and your understanding of everything. For example, his mother no doubt remains consistent with her belief that her son is innocent. That is unlikely to change and has nothing to do with religion. The shit she spews from a religious standpoint is merely a convenient coping mechanism to further enable and reinforce her denial.

And to be fair, he seems to have very very little support for those he knows in the church circles.

sonofsam 01-15-2015 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20355172)
He had a bail hearing last week, trying to have his bail reduced, but that was canceled due to issues with his public defender. According to Donny this is all part of "God's plan"....



So I guess he is hoping for some bail reduction (which I still doubt himself or his mother would be able to meet), and then we wait for his trail.

He could probably hit up AaronM or baddog for come cash... Oh wait... Forgot they are both broke

Grapesoda 01-15-2015 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20359395)
The paradox in this case, is that for one person to have God on his side, directly implies that the others (i.e. victims) do not. .

as long as you agree with everything they say, you do have god on your side as well... now the paradox to me is liberal behaviors... a stated total hate/disbelief in god yet they perceive the world the same way.... if you disagree with anything they say or think you get immediately attacked and 'damned to hell'... but unlike the Christians your hell isn't in the afterlife but attacks against your personal/professional life and family in the present :2 cents:

Far-L 01-15-2015 05:48 PM

I am saying a prayer for these people...

I pray that they find that the Buddhist doctrine of Karma and reincarnation is really the way things work in this Universe. If he is reincarnated as an attractive female in a family or church group of sexual predators I pray that he is spared any treatment that he currently stands accused of so that the cycle of suffering can be ended.

Amen.

TheSquealer 01-15-2015 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20359427)
as long as you agree with everything they say, you do have god on your side as well... now the paradox to me is liberal behaviors... a stated total hate/disbelief in god yet they perceive the world the same way.... if you disagree with anything they say or think you get immediately attacked and 'damned to hell'... but unlike the Christians your hell isn't in the afterlife but attacks against your personal/professional life and family in the present :2 cents:

Yeah, its all basic tribal behavior. Nothing more than that really. There is how we perceive and understand the world (largely conservative or liberal perspective) and from there, everyone divides into two basic tribes and acts accordingly. I've mentioned this before a few times, but if you read "The Righteous Mind" by Jonathan Haidt, you'd be sitting there the whole going "oh... that makes total fucking sense now" as it pertains to both how you are I think and acts or how a crocket thinks and acts. He explains well the paradox you touch on... the "open, accepting, loving - fuck you motherfucker if you disagree with me, you're crazy and i hope you die a painful death" type attitudes and behaviors and its all well explained and backed by decades of how own research as a Liberal university professor who begrudgingly had to accept his own findings and conclusions,.

kane 01-15-2015 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20359395)
I view it as an amusing paradox. When one devotes themselves to ANY set of beliefs, they are going to always remain consistent with and behave in a manner consistent with those beliefs. The paradox in this case, is that for one person to have God on his side, directly implies that the others (i.e. victims) do not. If you've devoted your life to an idea (or any belief system which guys your life) such as that which says that God is in control, you can't just simply abandon it as that would shatter in one moment everything you know and your understanding of everything. For example, his mother no doubt remains consistent with her belief that her son is innocent. That is unlikely to change and has nothing to do with religion. The shit she spews from a religious standpoint is merely a convenient coping mechanism to further enable and reinforce her denial.

And to be fair, he seems to have very very little support for those he knows in the church circles.

My experience is that many church goers talk a good game, but don't really stand by you unless it makes them look good.

Case in point. A friend of my brother's oldest daughter got married a few months after graduating high school. She was 18 and grew up in the church. The church celebrated their marriage (he was 22 at the time and none in the church had any issue with a 20 year old guy dating a 16-year old girl when they first started going out two years earlier). Anyway, many people from the church came to the wedding, gave gifts and even turned up to help them move into their new place after the wedding. She was a virgin and literally moved from her bedroom in her parent's house into her marriage home. It was an amazing love story that the church celebrated.

Then several months later it turns out living together is hard. He drinks a lot (but had kept it hidden from her before) and they eventually separate and get divorced within a year and a half of getting married. He was the one that left her and refused to try to fix their problems. When it came time for her to move out nobody from the church showed up to help. At the church many people stopped talking to her and kind of shunned her because she "hadn't been a good wife."

They loved the idea of her getting married, but had no common sense that it could turn out bad then when it did turn out bad they turned on her.

These people are praying for Donnie and that is all they will do. They already had the chance to donate money and didn't. If Donnie is convicted you know many of them will suddenly be like, "I knew all along something was wrong."

Jman 01-15-2015 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 20359431)
I am saying a prayer for these people...

I pray that they find that the Buddhist doctrine of Karma and reincarnation is really the way things work in this Universe. If he is reincarnated as an attractive female in a family or church group of sexual predators I pray that he is spared any treatment that he currently stands accused of so that the cycle of suffering can be ended.

Amen.

I don't think Buddhist say Amen :winkwink::thumbsup

Far-L 01-15-2015 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jman (Post 20359457)
I don't think Buddhist say Amen :winkwink::thumbsup

Well Christians say it and Jesus was reincarnated after just three days in the reincarnation queue so I figured it would be ok...

Not ok?

Goddamnit!

I pray for forgiveness of the incorrectness of my gospel.

PatrickKing 01-15-2015 06:32 PM

1602 Hamlet: "The lady doth protext to much, methinks". This was a truth back then and a truth today.

Jman 01-15-2015 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 20359463)
Well Christians say it and Jesus was reincarnated after just three days in the reincarnation queue so I figured it would be ok...

Not ok?

Goddamnit!

I pray for forgiveness of the incorrectness of my gospel.

Just say... "An fuck it" at the end of what you praying for :upsidedow

Rochard 01-15-2015 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Gold (Post 20358983)

Pauling has not yet been charged for those allegations relating to a second alleged victim.

Chopra said there are additional victims.
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If I understand this correctly.... The original charge was for one victim, who was related to the sheriff. This new report claims there are "other victims" - I wonder if these are the two girls he lived with.

Far-L 01-15-2015 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PatrickKing (Post 20359466)
1602 Hamlet: "The lady doth protext to much, methinks". This was a truth back then and a truth today.

Quoting Shakespeare on GFY is badass, especially in a thread with as Shakespearean a tragedy as this...

DMRC 01-15-2015 07:49 PM

Oh jeez. Mugshot looks creepy.

edgeprod 01-15-2015 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam (Post 20359415)
He could probably hit up AaronM or baddog for come cash... Oh wait... Forgot they are both broke

baddog is far from broke. :2 cents:

Far-L 01-15-2015 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20359485)
If I understand this correctly.... The original charge was for one victim, who was related to the sheriff. This new report claims there are "other victims" - I wonder if these are the two girls he lived with.

Why do I always get the feeling in your cryptic posts on this matter that you know a lot more than you are actually letting on?

nico-t 01-16-2015 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DMRC (Post 20359541)
Oh jeez. Mugshot looks creepy.

HE looks creepy, so ofcourse his mugshot has the same effect. This fucker would look creepy in a roller coaster photo.

candyflip 01-16-2015 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20359485)
If I understand this correctly.... The original charge was for one victim, who was related to the sheriff. This new report claims there are "other victims" - I wonder if these are the two girls he lived with.

The charges for the shit with the Sheriff have yet to be added. The original charges are from the girl living with him and her mother filing.

ITraffic 01-16-2015 06:34 AM

which according to facebook and twitter is his cousin.

sonofsam 01-16-2015 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20359565)
baddog is far from broke. :2 cents:

Is that so?
Would that be because of his "highly successful SEO host" or because of his "highly successful pr company" ? hahaha

selena 01-16-2015 12:42 PM

What's the latest on this? I went to see what his mom had to say about the bond reduction hearing on FB, but can't find the page.

ITraffic 01-16-2015 12:47 PM

his facebook page is gone.

Grapesoda 01-16-2015 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20359432)
Yeah, its all basic tribal behavior. Nothing more than that really. There is how we perceive and understand the world (largely conservative or liberal perspective) and from there, everyone divides into two basic tribes and acts accordingly. I've mentioned this before a few times, but if you read "The Righteous Mind" by Jonathan Haidt, you'd be sitting there the whole going "oh... that makes total fucking sense now" as it pertains to both how you are I think and acts or how a crocket thinks and acts. He explains well the paradox you touch on... the "open, accepting, loving - fuck you motherfucker if you disagree with me, you're crazy and i hope you die a painful death" type attitudes and behaviors and its all well explained and backed by decades of how own research as a Liberal university professor who begrudgingly had to accept his own findings and conclusions,.

I'll check it out although to be honest usually just go with audio books these days

TheSquealer 01-16-2015 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20360507)
I'll check it out although to be honest usually just go with audio books these days

I do too. Its on audible. :)

ITraffic 01-16-2015 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20360613)
I do too. Its on audible. :)

ever read Yuval Harari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ?

just listened to an interview today which was very good.

Mutt 01-16-2015 03:21 PM

I' ve never listened to an audio book. I listen to a ton of radio shows and podcasts but I would feel guilty listening to an audio book that was meant to be read. I know it's silly, I will try an audio book soon. I doubt I'd retain as much though with an audio book.

Mutt 01-16-2015 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic (Post 20360633)
ever read Yuval Harari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ?

just listened to an interview today which was very good.

Sounds like a good read. Where is this interview you listened to?

Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind

The book surveys the history of humankind from the evolution of archaic human species in the Stone Age up to the twenty-first century. Its main argument is that Homo sapiens dominates the world because it is the only animal that can cooperate flexibly in large numbers. The book further argues that Homo sapiens can cooperate flexibly in large numbers, because it has a unique ability to believe in things existing purely in its own imagination, such as gods, nations, money and human rights. The book explains how all large scale human cooperation systems - including religions, political structures, trade networks and legal institutions - are ultimately based on fiction.

Other salient arguments of the book are that money is a system of mutual trust; that capitalism is a religion rather than only an economic theory; that empire has been the most successful political system of the last 2000 years; that the treatment of domesticated animals is among the worst crimes in history; that people today are not significantly happier than in past eras; and that humans are currently in the process of upgrading themselves into gods.

Rochard 01-16-2015 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by selena (Post 20360469)
What's the latest on this? I went to see what his mom had to say about the bond reduction hearing on FB, but can't find the page.

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Originally Posted by ITraffic (Post 20360476)
his facebook page is gone.

Yeah it seems his Facebook page is gone...

Mutt 01-16-2015 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20359395)
The paradox in this case, is that for one person to have God on his side, directly implies that the others (i.e. victims) do not.

This always gets reduced to 'God works in mysterious ways', 'some things are beyond our understanding' and it all comes down to 'faith'. The greatest theological minds today and throughout history, brilliant people, but in the end the best they can come up with is 'faith', which I admit is better than the crazy ones who actually try to cobble together explanations based on some fucked up understanding they have of science i.e. Intelligent Design


I think strident atheists have their own issues, there are too many unsolved mysteries beyond our understanding and knowledge to claim we know the truth, saying there is nothing is no more fact than saying there is something. Atheists work on faith too.

dyna mo 01-16-2015 03:56 PM

it's high school football season, god's got a lot on his plate this time of year, not sure if he has time for dony

http://www.fwweekly.com/wp-content/u...05/kountze.jpg

ITraffic 01-16-2015 04:30 PM

i think this is it Sapiens | Ideas with Paul Kennedy | CBC Radio

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20360642)
Sounds like a good read. Where is this interview you listened to?

Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind

The book surveys the history of humankind from the evolution of archaic human species in the Stone Age up to the twenty-first century. Its main argument is that Homo sapiens dominates the world because it is the only animal that can cooperate flexibly in large numbers. The book further argues that Homo sapiens can cooperate flexibly in large numbers, because it has a unique ability to believe in things existing purely in its own imagination, such as gods, nations, money and human rights. The book explains how all large scale human cooperation systems - including religions, political structures, trade networks and legal institutions - are ultimately based on fiction.

Other salient arguments of the book are that money is a system of mutual trust; that capitalism is a religion rather than only an economic theory; that empire has been the most successful political system of the last 2000 years; that the treatment of domesticated animals is among the worst crimes in history; that people today are not significantly happier than in past eras; and that humans are currently in the process of upgrading themselves into gods.


420 01-16-2015 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20360666)
it's high school football season, god's got a lot on his plate this time of year, not sure if he has time for dony

http://www.fwweekly.com/wp-content/u...05/kountze.jpg

God doesn't care if it's football or the crusades. He always favors one side more than the other.

Far-L 01-16-2015 06:35 PM

A so behold a miracle...

Come ye to GFY, a most unlikely place, a place of little faith
and even lessor trust
That he that is called Donny in the year of our Lord 2015
should inspire matters of faith
and bring together an understanding, borne from the verdant soil of earthy desire
that what is known cannot be shown to be true
unless all agree that it is
and therefore it is good because no one has doubt only the absence of doubt
that he that should fall from grace, and be the face of disgrace
reveals the beauty and the spirit of those that remain

Amen...

And fuck it...

Mutt 01-16-2015 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20360666)
it's high school football season, god's got a lot on his plate this time of year, not sure if he has time for dony

http://www.fwweekly.com/wp-content/u...05/kountze.jpg

God has always had a special place in his heart for American football teams, especially those based in the South.

2 Samuel 23:10 He arose, and smote the Bobcats of Guntersville until his hand was weary, and his hand clave unto the sword: and the LORD wrought a great victory that day; and the people returned after him only to spoil.

420 01-16-2015 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20360782)
God has always had a special place in his heart for American football teams, especially those based in the South.

2 Samuel 23:10 He arose, and smote the Bobcats of Guntersville until his hand was weary, and his hand clave unto the sword: and the LORD wrought a great victory that day; and the people returned after him only to spoil.

What if both teams are from the south? They both believe god is on their side. How does the savior decide to favour the opponet of Guntersville? Point spread alone or is there some divine system?

Mutt 01-16-2015 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 420 (Post 20360783)
What if both teams are from the south? They both believe god is on their side. How does the savior decide to favour the opponet of Guntersville? Point spread alone or is there some divine system?

It's a Southern tradition that teams/cities take turns being on the right side of God. Teams that lose all the time are being punished for their iniquities, in the South that means a LOT of incest going on usually.

Grapesoda 01-16-2015 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20360613)
I do too. Its on audible. :)

thanks... found it

Grapesoda 01-16-2015 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20360636)
I' ve never listened to an audio book. I listen to a ton of radio shows and podcasts but I would feel guilty listening to an audio book that was meant to be read. I know it's silly, I will try an audio book soon. I doubt I'd retain as much though with an audio book.

my hands are busy with simple task so I can' t hold a book

TheSquealer 01-17-2015 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20360660)
This always gets reduced to 'God works in mysterious ways', 'some things are beyond our understanding' and it all comes down to 'faith'. The greatest theological minds today and throughout history, brilliant people, but in the end the best they can come up with is 'faith', which I admit is better than the crazy ones who actually try to cobble together explanations based on some fucked up understanding they have of science i.e. Intelligent Design


I think strident atheists have their own issues, there are too many unsolved mysteries beyond our understanding and knowledge to claim we know the truth, saying there is nothing is no more fact than saying there is something. Atheists work on faith too.

I don't have an opinion on religion really. I believe its an important step in the evolution of man and necessary. Monotheistic religions (as i've said in the past) are at their core, simply a collection of laws (namely, moral laws), rules on food safety and cleanliness. These are important as man became sedentary and we went from small groups of 40-50-100 to large cities. These rules and laws are many times more effective when coupled with the shared belief that not only is someone that you can never hide from watching you, but that in case you thought you were getting away with something, you'll still have to answer for it in the end. Of course there are many added benefits as well... for example, its a way of telling the people and Pharaoh, he's not only not a God, but he'll answer to someone bigger and subverting his power. Monotheistic religions tend to provide a lot of simple and comforting answers to troubling and often unanswerable questions.

At the end of the day, there is no possible way to prove there is no God. As the great James Randi said, you can't prove a negative. Therefore, from a simple perspective of logic and reason, the existence of God, cannot be fully dismissed. If you chose to, that is also a matter of faith, not fact.

To me, if it makes you a better person, makes you want to be a better person and makes you happy and doesn't affect me.... then why not.


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