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Too bad this aint solved yet. the writing is on the wall yet some of us still need glasses to read it :) |
Worst business decision ever.
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It was not in your TOS, you owe Shoehorn money, period. Now you can change everything you want and do not pay for this kind of sales, but as of now, you owe him money, if you do not pay him you are stealing from him.
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I gave out exact .net domains for free to our top affiliates. Sale is a fucking sale. |
wow this thread keep going and going
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I'd like to add my two cents if I may. A "Typein", is someone opening a browser, and without going to google or anywhere else, just typing in a domain name. "Sex.com" did wonders for us back in the day thanks to type-in traffic. If someone buys a sound-alike or spell-alike domain name similar to yours, you are out of luck unless you want to have a costly legal battle. But if that person sends you that traffic, count your blessings, pay him the commission, and buy him a beer. Offer to buy the domain from him perhaps. A "PCC" is a pay per click. Shoehorn's work appeared in Google searches, generating more sales for you. Regardless of how it was done, he obviously did something that you had not thought of, and, sent you that traffic anyway. Again, count your blessings, pay him his commish. Of course you can disallow this practice in your TOS and if it was there when Shoehorn began prooting, then of course you can chose to enforce it. However, had it been anyone else all the traffic it generated could have gone to a competing site instead. Peace! |
Jesus people get dumber and dumber every day.
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Hey ShoeHorn -- Hit me up so we can talk about PPC traffic.
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I don't see how this is debatable, personally. If the means of traffic generation wasn't fraudulent...and it is not...and it is not disallowed in the TOS, then the affiliate gets paid.
Change the TOS to avoid it in the future if you want, but he should be paid. End of story. Disclaimer: This is solely my opinion, not the opinion of 3xTom, That One Program, JayMan Cash, or the man in the moon. |
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on a side note most mainstream companies pull this shit, where as most adult do not. But the mainstream companies are very upfront about it, and in some cases its because their domains are trademarked. But i still think it is gay, how do you turn down sales. Would love to see what HowIGotRich had to say if shoehorn kept doing what he was doing but sent the traffic to another similar pay site. Then they would be kicking themselves because they wouldn't be making shit from his traffic. |
I have no beef with sponsors.
If i would ever spend money for a Paid Campaign, I will for sure talk first with the program itself to make sure I know where my traffic aka investment will end up. I know D as a person, and as affiliate i have the pleasure to sell his sites for years, and he has a straight way of dealing with people. I am sure he is willing to give affiliates a huge space of dealing about the issue, I have seen him always as a cooperative person. Try to work this out, give each other a phone call or something. This does not have to end bad. Sometimes you learn on the spot, and ya need to give in and swallow. Whomever has to do that here, just do it and get over it. December has started, to late for drama....:helpme |
I had a feeling I'd get a few pages into this thread and see Robbie sucking Dirty D's cock and I was right.
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anything that generates traffic is work. Just cause it isn't the work you and I are used to doesn't mean it isn't work. If it makes more or less than we can make, it doesn't mean it isn't work. Buying search terms is work, might not be your kind of work, but it's work. example - say he buys terms that make him $100/month each. Well he would have to buy and track a LOT of terms to make a living doing that. It's investment of capital buying the terms and it's work and time monitoring them and putting the ad buys in. Buying ad terms is work, sometimes they get lucky, sometimes they don't, just like us building galleries and banners and such. What you are saying is like saying that a garbage man doesn't work cause it's not as glamorous or take as much intelligence as a stock broker. Next - the 100PPS isn't per sale, it was for 5 sales or $20PPS each reduced from $30PPS- Shoehorn wasn't clear about it - it fucked me up at the beginning of this thread too. Reread the beginning 2 pages. I agree DirtyD has a right to restrict specific terms in his TOS. But if he didn't have it in there, pay it and change all deals from that point on. And THANK Shoehorn for informing him about it. A deals a deal, capitalism is based on that. just my :2 cents: |
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This is just sad, you don't only have to work but also fight to get paid...
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All over a few hundred bucks? C'mon... Not paying him is just plain stupid.
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I would hate to be in D's position. Needing $350 so bad he ruins his reputation over false logic.
Now is not the time to "take a stand" on principals. I mean let's face it... you run crackwhore confessionals. :1orglaugh |
This thread should have been over pages ago as it is a pretty open and shut case that the guy should be paid out and the sponsor should change his TOS if he doesn't want this kind of traffic.
I can understand the sponsor "taking a stand on principle" if he feels that the affiliate did something inappropriate, but in this case the affiliate just realised that the sponsor had left an opportunity open, and by continuing to deny that the payment is due, the sponsor is only going to hurt his own business as he is likely to lose more than just the sales from this one affiliate. The truest statement in this thread is probably Will76 saying, "better he sent the sale to you than to a competitor" (which if I was him I would probably do now) |
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He runs a site that has an affiliate program, there is an assumption that.... affiliates will actually spend money to send him traffic. Every affiliate shouldn't have to ok every traffic buy they do every day for every damn sponsor, since it sounds like you are bro bro with dirty D, you trying to put the blame back on the affiliate in this case, when you don't know what you are talking about. |
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pay the man, i guarantee you will lose A LOT more than $350 or whatever because of this thread.. heck personally i push a lot of volume and ill never consider you just because you are coming off as a slimy scumbag.
anyway, in mainstream, companies put the terms you cant bid on in their TOS, if they dont have it, and i bid on it, then they will 100% pay... youve had at least 100 people tell you to pay him here, yet you are acting like a thick headed dumb fuck.. i hate when im owed for no fucking good reason, so ill make sure this stays on top so this dude can get paid.. asshole |
Do the right thing Dirty D.
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Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
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Petty squabbles with affiliates using loopy logic to justify nonpayment is usually a sign that a program is tanking hard and fast.
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Here is an example of a mainstream affiliate programs PPC terms.
http://www.johnnyshoehorn.com/hotlink/terms.jpg Do the right thing and pay me Dirty D. |
A new pay period just rolled over, and I am now owed $477 dollars. Thats right, Dirty D continued to accept my traffic and sales the entire month of October.
Do the right thing and pay your affiliates Dirty D. http://johnnyshoehorn.com/hotlink/ho...onpayment2.jpg |
LOLz @ the screenshot Shoehorn, this thread keeps getting better.
Good luck, I hate seeing programs screw webmasters like this, I've been on the receiving end of assholes like this too. |
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Dirty D continued to accept my traffic and sales with no intention of paying me. He never contacted me to say he didn't want my PPC traffic. Instead I had to contact him wondering where my payment was, at which point he told me he had no intentions of paying me because he has no knowledge of how PPC works. |
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I'm thankful that all the programs I've promoted have always paid me on-time like clockwork. Unlike this clown they know how to treat the people who keep their businesses alive. |
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Wait, is blockbuster video recommending bidding on the term "amazon"? lol :winkwink: |
maybe he is having problems with epass. or there is a holiday. or the accountant is out of the office.
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Shoehorn - a request. Stop bumping with screen caps, we all know you are right, post some pics of that fox you had on your arm in Miami. |
Marketing does not = buying the domain name from google
Marketing = bringing us additional traffic and sales. I have responded plenty... but unlike all of the fake nicks posting and webmasters without a website living in momma's basement, we are busy over here. Shoehorn should put the same effort into some VALID promotions. Remember I have sent him lots of emails explaining the issue. Tried to find additional referral sales since he lied about the traffic source. Only 3 of his 37 keyword combinations were a problem. I tried to work on improving his campaign with good keyword combinations. Also offered $100 PPS for 30 days for VALID sales. My offer to work with you was rejected. This means the only sales Shoehorn is interested and capable of sending is my own domain name from google. My generous offer of $100PPS for 30 days still stands if you want to show us all what a great PPC ninja you are. The only forbidden term is the EXACT spelling of ONLY the DOMAIN NAME. Someone please read this out loud for Shoehorn so he can understand that this is the way to get paid. |
What a train wreck.
The only solution to this problem is to pay Shoehorn for the money he legitimately earned. |
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Why would Block Buster want you to bid on their name? Same reason I don't. Are they offering $100 PPS to reward you like I am? |
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