You'd be better off just admitting you fell on hard times and spent your money up your nose, than to try and rationalize your non paying with utter bs like this.

Pay the man in installment plans like he offered. Update your TOS and hope that you get a few people to still send you traffic.

Sorry, that was a typo... I meant to say "do you really think DenniO.com will benefit from having a paid link to their site?"

Why you bringing logic into this Tom???

It doesn't matter you fucking scam artist. First of all it should have been in your TOS, you want to bring up the "United States Federal Law" yet you can't even fucking follow it. If this matter went to court YOU WOULD LOSE, under your contract, nowhere in your TOS does it say he can't bid on certain PPS terms. Second of all, if you had a problem with it you should have said something right away, instead you wanted to scam him for as much money as possible so you didn't say anything. Who in their right mind would do business with a piece of shit like you?

BRB, going to post, all your sites and the word scam on as many forums as I can. :)

LOL check it out, #3 on google. :)

http://www.hahahahahahahahahahaha.co...438#post241438

OH, I guess it won't let me post a link, but don't worry I'll get as much negative stuff as possible about the program and all the sites indexed.

Why is Dirty D ripping off his affiliates? Why does he change his TOS to suit his needs when he wants to take peoples money?

Does that mean the $1 Million will not be distributed this year?

According to TESS, no. However, that site isn't 100% accurate so he very well could, but you'd likely have to shell out a few hundred bucks to find out :)

you dumb fuck cyber squatters SEND TRAFFIC TO OTHER SITES WHILE TRYING TO PROFIT OFF THE TRAFFIC OF THE SITE THEY ARE SQUATTING ON

THIS GUY SENT THE TRAFFIC TO YOUR WEBSITE! omg,


kids, dirty D is example of your brain on drugs, ok?

Your reading comprehension isn't that great. Your own example specifically describes monetizing a "cyber-squatted" domain by placing ads to the various networks you listed.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what Shoehorn did, no matter how much you want to believe you're right. You're failing even when it comes to defending what you're trying to do here.

:error :error

thats what everyone is trying to tell you, you are alone in the sea of retard. hop out and join everyone else in the sea of reality

Facts: ripping off your affiliates also isn't in your TOS



Most affiliate programs do allow this, those that don't implicitly state this in their TOS or they would be called out just as fast as you got called out.

Feel free to post the plethora of sites that don't allow this yet say nothing about it in their TOS
some might say in laymans terms you tried to blackmail him into forefeiting money he had already legally earned

You do realise it is your job to go to google and have your trademarked name removed right ? affiliates have no power to do this.

p.s. i see quite a few affiliates of yours getting paid for clicks from searches that "ONLY contain the exact spelling" of your domain

rabbitsreviews and many many others, i suppose you will be shitcanning them ? or are the rules kind of made up on the spot ?

and the person who pays for a SEO guy to make their site rank higher than yours, are they not purposely siphoning your own traffic that was coming to anyway? you see paying google and setting up ppc campaigns as different than paying someone to SEO a site. When in reality its the same thing. They both have the same agenda, to siphon your traffic, they both require work and money to accomplish. Google allows both to happen to you. At the end of the day its the same thing.

Just to get this clear, you dont allow adwords at all or any other ppc yet you dont state it at all in your tos, and furthermore you would seize an affiliates money if you found out they were using ppc even though you never said they can't ?

Has anyone else noticed that none of the 'Bros' have come to Dirty D's defense?.
That should say something.

Has anyone else noticed that none of the 'Bros' have come to Dirty D's defense?.
That should say something.

I know, what a fucking moron. As if shoehorn was using his name to represent another entity or website. That might apply if shoehorn took his trademarked name and used it against him to promote another site. Instead shoehorn was making him money using his affiliate program following the rules in his own TOS. Seriously, someone just beat the shit out of this con artist.

has the drama llama shown up yet?

sounds like this is a job for him

I'd try to post the link another way but I don't wanna piss off the mods. :1orglaugh They clearly don't want that site referenced here. The good thing is it gets spidered into google, so I'll be giving them a lot of negative rep today.

I back Dirty D on this one... anyone bidding on keywords that are type-in keywords (type it in the address bar and get the site) are stealing type-ins pure and simple. Any affiliate with any experience knows that programs don't allow it... I have been an affiliate for years. If you did that to my program you would be terminated immediately the same as if you were sharing passwords. It's not in our TOS but I have the right to terminate any affiliate at any time and am not obligated to pay for sales that weren't earned fairly. The pure sense entitlement that affiliates have grown over the last few years is insane. You want PPS but also want to fuck programs out of type-ins... be realistic.

I probably have more affiliate traffic that 9 out of 10 of you.... just FYI. I don't have to resort to stealing type-ins to get sales.

Why after 20 pages haven't any come in and said that? So far nearly every program owner or manager has said that they would allow this, including a few that have asked that I contact them specifically to get a PPC campaign going for them.

But again, this thread isn't about PPC, its about a program refusing to pay money that is owed to an affiliate.

Whatever... start sending sales to those programs and see how long they let you do it. As I said... I have been an affiliate for years and know that programs don't allow it, generally.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...9#post16620099

hahaha, Teen Revenue, Score Cash, POV Cash, Creative Coin, Bird Bucks, and a few others in that thread all say it is permissible to send them PPC traffic with NO restrictions, including bidding on their domain names. Please stop acting like it is cut and dry, because it is not. If I had to take a guess I would say just as many allow it as don't allow it...

If it is in your terms that you have the right to terminate any affiliate at any time, then you are correct, you can do just that. However, you would terminate them immediately and not let the sales continue to accumulate and the affiliate to continue spending his own funds on sales you do not intend to payout, wouldn't you?

Also, while many programs include that clause to cover their asses, it's what's known as "predatory terms" as I'm sure you are well aware.

The fact here, though, is while to you and D it seems like an obvious case of something that is not accepted, to most everyone else, they were unaware that it's not an acceptable form of marketing, as there ARE programs who do allow it. The case of carding was brought up; that is illegal, so doesn't have to be mentioned. Anything illegal, should not need to be in the terms. Anything legal, SHOULD be clearly defined as not being accepted.

In D's last explanation, he stated the acceptable methods are listed on his site. I couldn't find the terms page, only the FAQ, where it does list some methods. It does not say those are the only methods allowed, however. Otherwise, many valid types of marketing would be outlawed based on that. For example, say someone wanted to market at bars, parties, whatever (offline) with flyers to an affiliate URL they have with his site - it's not listed in the FAQ as a promotional method, so should they expect any sales they generate would not be paid? No, they shouldn't.

Bottom line is the only way to avoid these kind of situations is to contact the program BEFORE you start sending, discuss exactly what you intend to do and see if they have a problem with it. That wasn't done here though, but under the circumstances, you have to side with Shoehorn based on the facts.

Shoehorn gets honors for thread of the week/month/and possibly year.


Does GFY still give prizes for that?

Yes, that's him, ouch.

Robbie made a half hearted attempt, but got run over.

I've been sending sales to dozens of programs both mainstream and adult via PPC for quite awhile now and haven't ever ran into this problem before. In fact if you look at the screenshots I've posted, I've been doing this with HowIGotRich since March and was paid for 3 months, before he decided that he wasn't able pay me or wanted to rip me off.

Its nearly 2010, if a programs TOS doesn't mention anything about PPC traffic then its allowed.

You are wrong. :2 cents:

Just sent you an email. :thumbsup

No... you are right... I wouldn't steal from the affiliate either (on purpose). That said... Dirty D has been around for years and paid affiliates plenty of money... some of the shit that people are calling him in this thread is totally undue. Shoehorn has been an affiliate long enough to know that lots of programs don't allow it and Dirty D may not have noticed it right away or chosen to give him a warning without terminating him. It's kind of a common sense thing from my perspective... I don't bid on adwords like this because I KNOW that is generally not acceptable... especially if I am sending directly to the tour and not to a landing page.

It must be true since you said it... everyone knows you are always on the right side of the issues... accept my apologies.

Wow, that sucks. Even that girl in the article got some money out of Dirty D and he had to yank her content yet this other guy made D some sales and gets nothing. Oh well, time to stop promoting his sites.

I think the issue here though is you are thinking how YOU would have handled the situation; just as if I had been in the situation, I likely would have asked if my planned methods were fine before promoting the program.

Here though, you must put yourselves in the shoes of someone else; if Shoehorn (obviously) didn't think what he bid on was even a possible potential problem, and it's clearly not against the terms, he went ahead and promoted the site and should be paid for his efforts as he violated no rules.

I do think that from this thread though, a lot more people will now ask a program first before starting any PPC campaigns :2 cents:

Ok... I will agree with that. I will also say that Dirty D should have paid him as a matter of business over principle and terminated his account as soon as shoehorn posted this thread.

Thank you, thats what this issue is really about.

Unless the program owner has been living under a rock (crack rock or otherwise), PPC needs to be addressed in their TOS. Scamming an affiliate out of money is no way to run a business. :2 cents:

I agree. And if he would have done that on page one, he would have only had to pay me $350, instead of the $477 he now owes me since a new pay period rolled over.

goodgirl and I have been discussing this issue for the last two days. Any network worth their salt has a TOS that addresses this issue. No doubt, many will not accept PPC traffic for copyrighted words, or their domain name. The difference being that it is in their TOS.

This goes back to at least 2002 [when we first noticed it].

D needs to update his TOS, and he should be paying out that $477 [or whatever it is]. The amount of negative publicity this thread has generated is not worth it.

you dont have it in your term's either, so guess what? if i sent joins to you, you would pay me or i would sue you for my money and damages..

and you know who would win?

for every person that has stuck up for d in this thread, no one has terms that prohibit this practice..

maybe should mind your own business (literally) before you try to mind someone else's.. :2 cents: