Originally Posted by xenigo (Post 16621629)

I don't currently have anything in my TOS prohibiting specific PPC keyword bidding. But beginning tomorrow morning, I will.

I do believe Dirty D. should pay you for sales delivered thus far. I do believe he should have told you at the first instant that he determined his intention to not pay you for your future traffic. Proper communication is the only thing that prevents issues like this from occurring.

I made a few phone calls this evening to affiliate managers and program owners and asked the questions raised in this thread. The answers were "hell no I wouldn't pay for traffic generated by PPC on our own keywords... and besides, these are mentioned in our TOS." And the other answer is "it's your own fault if you aren't the top bidder for your own keywords. Google will sell the traffic to anyone."

Do I think it's right to buy the term "crackwhore confessions" to send the traffic to a site that already has the #1 result? No. It's similar to Costco paying you $50 for selling $39 / year memberships... bringing them traffic they wouldn't have otherwise had. But you go and set up a booth right outside Costco to sell memberships. They wouldn't allow this, and for good reason. You're not helping Costco by doing that, you're only helping yourself. It was already their traffic. If you did that outside Walmart, it might be a different story. Walmart still wouldn't allow it, though.

The other question asked was "do you own the traffic if the traffic is searching for your specific site on Google?" The answer is "Yes." Meaning you own it, but it's being delivered VIA Google. It's your brand. You're the one generating that interest in your brand, not Google. It's your hard work that went into building that loyalty. A strong percentage of surfers type in names of sites into Google instead of typing it as a URL.

But to those of you saying I shouldn't be listened to because of my Honda Civic... don't you think that's just a tad bit vein? Besides... I posted that pic like 5 years ago...

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 16621407)

How is it that Dirty D can afford to pay $750 for bail for getting caught beating off on a couch with a 70 year old dude at a porn theater, but refuses to pay an affiliate $477 for sales which the affiliate generated?!?

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Originally Posted by ahoy (Post 16621536)

Did I honestly just read in this thread that someone thinks that someone searching "ghetto thugs" in Google is looking for their specific site ghettothugs.com and is now the rightful owner of that traffic??:error:helpme

This is still a webmaster board right?

Originally Posted by lagcam (Post 16621658)

Not reading the whole thread and wading in with an aggressive post basically calling everybody who supported Shoehorn an idiot damaged your rep far more than having a Honda Civic does..... even if it is pink and spray painted with the words "I am an asshole" on the side.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16621239)

Can I get 1000? That's a first for me.

Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 16621674)

You should check the earnings from PPC of companies that allow it, and check the earnings of companies that 'protect' it.

Any guesses which ones make more off PPC?

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 16621546)

My girlfriend is better than yours:

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Sorry for this music interlude, just thought it was a good time for a musical break:



Good to have you back here making sense... :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by Shoehorn! (Post 16620935)

Not too bad man, aside from not being paid by Dirty D. How about you?

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 16621700)

while you're at it, should of posted, We're on the Road to nowhere:winkwink:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 16621513)

Is that in your TOS or are you just from Tampa Bay? :winkwink:

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Originally Posted by xenigo (Post 16621663)

Honestly I don't know where you're coming from. Do you think I haven't been monitoring the traffic & sales generated by Google for the past 5 years? I'm one the one that built that brand from the ground up.

Nobody else. I'm not squatting the name. The brand simply didn't exist before I bought it. Now, it does. Now it's a fucking BRAND.

Do you understand what I'm saying? In the first 3 weeks of that domains life, it did not receive any searches for the term "ghetto thugs", but regardless I had the #1 spot for that term. Now, after I began promoting it... the searches started increasing rapidly. Do you think the brand built itself?

You're an idiot. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 16621922)

Don't hate on the bay area just because Dirty D's in it. :winkwink:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 16622188)

Yea, there are some semi normal people in Tampa.




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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 16622051)

So if one can't buy the exact domain name spelling and promote crackwhore confessions then I assume the affiliate that runs http://crackwhoreconfessions.dk/ isn't getting anything either.

Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 16622377)

I am swimming in a sea of RETARD.

Facts:
PPC is not mentioned as an acceptable method of traffic in my TOS.
The acceptable methods are listed.

Cyber Squatting describes the Shady Shoehorn technique that is forbidden.

Shoehorn the CyberSquatter knows that affiliate programs don't allow this, so he lied to me about his traffic sources.

I tried to work with Shoehorn the CyberSquatter to improve his campaign and offered $100PPS instead of killing his account.

Shoehorn or anyone else, will NEVER be paid for searches that ONLY contain the exact spelling of my own domain. Figure it out.

Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 16621618)

Add extremebank to the 'do not promote in search engines' list.

God forbid you outrank him one day for his own domain search, that will be the last sale you see.

Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 16622377)

I am swimming in a sea of RETARD.

Facts:
PPC is not mentioned as an acceptable method of traffic in my TOS.
The acceptable methods are listed.

Cyber Squatting describes the Shady Shoehorn technique that is forbidden.

Shoehorn the CyberSquatter knows that affiliate programs don't allow this, so he lied to me about his traffic sources.

I tried to work with Shoehorn the CyberSquatter to improve his campaign and offered $100PPS instead of killing his account.

Shoehorn or anyone else, will NEVER be paid for searches that ONLY contain the exact spelling of my own domain. Figure it out.

Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 16622377)

I am swimming in a sea of RETARD.

Facts:
PPC is not mentioned as an acceptable method of traffic in my TOS.
The acceptable methods are listed.

Cyber Squatting describes the Shady Shoehorn technique that is forbidden.

Shoehorn the CyberSquatter knows that affiliate programs don't allow this, so he lied to me about his traffic sources.

I tried to work with Shoehorn the CyberSquatter to improve his campaign and offered $100PPS instead of killing his account.

Shoehorn or anyone else, will NEVER be paid for searches that ONLY contain the exact spelling of my own domain. Figure it out.

Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 16622377)

I am swimming in a sea of RETARD.

Facts:
PPC is not mentioned as an acceptable method of traffic in my TOS.
The acceptable methods are listed.

Cyber Squatting describes the Shady Shoehorn technique that is forbidden.

Shoehorn the CyberSquatter knows that affiliate programs don't allow this, so he lied to me about his traffic sources.

I tried to work with Shoehorn the CyberSquatter to improve his campaign and offered $100PPS instead of killing his account.

Shoehorn or anyone else, will NEVER be paid for searches that ONLY contain the exact spelling of my own domain. Figure it out.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16621573)

But this one point i just can't get past " Bidding on search terms is fine with me. Bidding on the EXACT spelling of my domain name is not. "

And if I am not your affiliate, is it ok for me to bid on your EXACT spelling of your domain name? You can say no, but so what? You can't not pay someone who isn't sending the traffic to you in the first place. I made several points about this, you skipped over them and didn't even try to respond to it.