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20 pages, xx,xxx views, no good dirty fucker

I can't believe this affiliate still hasn't been paid and the TOS isn't updated yet.

What a fucking scam.

Because there was little or no competition for the keyword(s), meaning that the affiliate (me) was the only one bidding on it.

Although in this case it hasn't yet worked out financially, because the program (HowIGotRich) owes me money for legitimate sales and refuses to pay me, even after 20 pages of people telling him that he should.

Just answer this question DirtyD...

When you discovered he was sending sales you didnt approve of, why did you not inform him then that you do not accept this form of traffic? Why didnt you tell him then to stop his campaign? Why did you keep accepting his sales even though you knew you werent going to pay him?

In your eyes, is that just business or is that scammy?

Answer unbiased and honestly...

Just so everyone knows, NATS automatically generates the payout every 2 weeks, and adds any affiliate that meets their minimum payout to that batch. In order to remove someone from the batch, you have to go to the Payments Admin, find the batch and edit the affiliates payout sale by sale. So if the affiliate is owed for 10 sales, you have to individually remove each and every sale from the batch in order for them to not get paid.

Just goes to show you how much effort he put into ripping off an affiliate. :2 cents:

Thanks for the video :thumbsup

He only failed at the end, when he claimed they posted "the truth", which is against the scientific method. Theories are not absolute.

You'd think that by this point that he would have AT LEAST modified his ToS to avoid any future issues. But no. It almost seems as though he has no intention of updating his ToS in hopes that he can continue to pluck sales from legit affiliates should there be a repeat in the future.

What a fucking faggot...

Doesn't surprise me one bit that the ToS are still the same - changing them would be like admitting he has done t he wrong thing in his eyes I bet.

On another note - how much competition has this thread developed for your crack whore keywords Shoehorn?

Not sure, haven't checked the competition since switching the campaign over, the ads are still waiting on approval.

But I welcome anyone to throw their hat into the ring and start bidding on those terms with me if they plan to send the traffic to BVF. :thumbsup

No sorry, I'm sending mine to CrackwhoreConfessions... :error:error:error:error

holy christ, near 1000 replies.

drama llama beat goes on. How ya doing Shoehorn mate btw? Long time no chat.

Bump for 1000.

I just jumped from page five to page 20. This is just like a good soap opera. you can always leave and come back later and not miss anything :)

Sounds like shaving to me?:disgust

Ditto :thumbsup

T minus 22 replies for the big M.

Heck, you've wasted $477 of my time bumping this thread :)

Bump for the honest and creative webmaster trying to make a buck. PPC is an art and skill and if that dumbass didn't have his own key words in place oh well. Shoe- if you never get paid, rest assured that this thread has accomplished your second goal. That being to avoid FUCKS like the one that fucked you. You've been articulate and polite. Thank you for posting. Hope you do get paid in the end.

Not too bad man, aside from not being paid by Dirty D. How about you?

That way I see it, if I don't get paid its the equivalent of taking everyone in this thread out to the movies.

I'd still rather get paid the money I am owed though. :)

Thank you, much appreciated.

Yep it would force him to admit he was wrong, and then force his hand into proving he is fucking broke and can't pay.

Ok i wanna say right now... I seriously doubt DirtyD is anywhere near broke or not able to pay... He is simply making the wrong choice... the illegal choice...

I've had some interesting ICQ conversations with some knowledgeable people that disagree.

Whether that is the case or not, I have offered to work out a payment plan with him.

Shoehorn,
Here is another bump and doing my part to reach 1000

This is still going on? Jesus, GFY is a bastard, right?! :) Still think this should be settled in a parking lot behind the hotel at the next conference. Anyone want to have a go at me, let's do this! ;-) LOL

Actually, it is my traffic if they go to Google and type in "ghetto thugs". They're typing that in because they're looking specifically for my site. It's traffic that I've already generated, and they're coming back... it's similar to a type-in, but the moronic surfer version. Do you think I need the assistance of affiliates to send me traffic for people searching "ghetto thugs", considering that I already own the #1 spot for that keyword?

Do you think affiliates bidding on the keyword "ghetto thugs" is doing me any sort of favor?

And lastly... do you think if you bid on the keyword of my brand, and sent that traffic to a competitor... that they'd actually be likely to buy from the competitor? No, because they're not looking for the competitor... AND they're not looking for "black men", they're looking for my site.

Additionally... if you owned my site, and you had the number one placement in Google, and some affiliate was sending you traffic from Google for the keyword you already ranked #1 on... that you'd be overjoyed and elated by the fact that they're sending that traffic to you?

I really hope not. :2 cents:

20 pages... ouch.

Sorry. But there are plenty of other Ghetto Thugs sites out there for one to be safe to assume that they're not specifically looking for JUST YOUR SITE.

That term has been around for quite some time. Longer than your site or program seem to have been.

The traffic is NOT yours.

You are truly delusional . . . in more ways than one.

I never even heard of ghettothugs.com until a week ago....And A LOT of people could be typing in ghetto thugs and not be looking for your site...

Now if you had xenigosghettothugs.com , and people were typing THAT in, then you would have an argument.

It's the same as people typing in 'black vagina' with me assuming that they are looking for my site.....Now if they type in 'black vagina FINDER', then that's different.

if the word is that the man can't pay then how about a payment plan - 50 bucks a week.

So you disagree on me bidding on certain keywords, fair enough. Let me ask you this - do you have anything in your TOS regarding keyword bidding?

And since you might have missed my question from earlier, do you think its right that a program should remove an affiliate from the payment batch without saying anything, yet continuing to accept the affiliates joins with no intention of paying them?

I would be willing to accept that.

What do you think Dirty D, you ready to do the right thing yet?

bumparoo.. btw shoehorn how is hawaii? what part are you in

Xenigo - you're right in some ways, but if that's a big deal, it SHOULD BE IN YOUR AFFILATE PROGRAM TERMS AND CONDITIONS.

Is that clear enough? You seem to constantly be missing the damn point.

xenigo you are an idiot it's safe to say you aren't winning over any affiliates to promote your shit. good job!

Here's a quick screengrab for one of the campaigns I run. Look at the red highlights, and specifically the conversions. This is one of MANY, based on different languages, countries, type of traffic.

http://www.bullzgroup.com/screengrabs/competitors.PNG

He stated earlier that his TOS do not have to cover things that are "logical" to him.

Lots of mainstream companies prohibit the bidding of designated or copyrighted keywords. That is fine. Know why? Because it is in their TOS.