DWB

I thought you guys would be offline by now.


If you're talking about the lazy Mexican mowing my yard, he ain't saving anyone.


Tubes are fairly easy to manage, it's forums and cyber lockers that are a bitch and the most time consuming.

What bothers me the most about tubes is their SEO placement. Fuck Google. Looking forward for the "too big to fail" giant to slip and crumble. No one rules forever.



Hosting companies could put an end to this within a couple of weeks. They won't, because they are greedy, but here is how they could with one simple step:

1) If sites have more than X amount of UNDISPUTED DMCA notices, the account is terminated. Period.

The key is that they have to be undisputed DMCAs. If their client can not produce a license or proof they own the content, after X amount of these, bye-bye.

A fair number would be 10 - 20 undisputed DMCA notices. Or less.

And since they are private companies, they can make any terms they would like and it doesn't have to have anything to do with DMCA law. It is simply company policy.

What is pathetic is, hosting companies are allowing cyber-lockers, forums and tubes to fuck their long term clients in the ass and PROFIT from that ass fucking. I hope the day comes where they can be successfully sued, along with advertisers. Would love to see a lot of these hosting and ad companies lose their ass for the shit they are allowing right now.

Billing companies could do the same.

Greed. That's all it boils down to. That's what it always boils down to.

Nathan

DWB,

Let's pretend you have a site which gets 1000 pieces of content uploaded each day. Do you still think its fair to shut down the site after 10 undisputed DMCAs?

Honest question.

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DWB

10 DMCAs, no.

10 undisputed DMCAs, yes. But it can be 20, 50, or even 100. If you're running a site full of other people's content, it will eventually hit whatever number it is. The number doesn't matter so much as the fact that they will get terminated when they hit the limit.

If that means the sites have to hire more people, stop allowing uploads, license more content, or close, so be it. That's not my problem, it's your problem because you want to operate this type of site. For those uploading sponsor content, they can get a license from the sponsor to upload that content, and it would state the terms of use. So someone can't upload full length clips from Met-Art.com if the license only allows for 4 minute clips. No license or proof of ownership = no upload. Redacted 2257 documents would suffice for proof of ownership. It wouldn't be that difficult to do.

I know it will never happen, but it would put an end to the piracy madness for hosted accounts if there was accountability and your business was put on the line.

Nathan

DWB, you realize that means facebook can close? so can flikr, and any other photo sharing or video sharing site?

youtube too of course..

So you find that a good thing then?

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Nathan

Also, let's say in your example, met-art themself uploads a video. Let's also pretend we have some kind of a procedure where we can verify that they have a license for it, which honestly I find very very hard to do, but ok, if you think so...

Now, let's pretend met-art got the license from producer A, and uploads the video. 2 days later producer A has some issue with met-art and revokes the license. Producer A then DMCA's us to get the video removed.

What now?

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Nathan

Or how about this...

someone gets a video from some site, creates his own website, uploads it there, then sends us a 5 minute trailer for it with a watermark to their website.

The actual owner of the video DMCAs us. What now?

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DWB

Just because they are huge sites doesn't mean they can just do whatever they want. It's the lack of accountability that has created the problem.

If Facebook, Youtube, and Flickr have to crack down, so be it. I wouldn't lose any sleep if they stopped allowing people to upload content, would you? Even if they had to close, life as we know it would continue.

If everyone has to be mindful of their chargeback ratio, then everyone can be mindful of the content on their sites. How they have to be mindful is not my problem. If you want to have that sort of site, then you also get the responsibility of keeping it clean.

I haven't planned out every detail, but you do raise a valid question.

Say producer A sends you a DMCA but you do have a license, that should not count as an undisputed DCMA. It would only mean you have a license, but the owner now wishes to remove the content. It would be a legit DMCA so long as you can provide the original license.

Sure, it would be painful for sites who allow user submitted content, but being easy is what has us in the current situation.

You and I both know that sooner or later a law will change and this will all come to an end. Maybe not this year, maybe not next year, but there will come a point in time where it will, and then everyone with user submitted content sites will have to deal with the problem at that time anyway.

I have faith that your company would be able to do it. And those who can't, let them fail, or they get bought out by those who can comply.

But like I said, would never happen because hosting companies are greedy (as is everyone else), and it would be impossible to enforce on a global scale because there will always be rogue countries willing to host anything. But for those countries who are responsible, it could nip a lot of the piracy issues right in the ass. Making it difficult to create and maintain a site like yours is why the concept would succeed.

Nathan

Dwb,

I did not say I have a license and get dmca'd. I say the submitter had one but it gets taken away. We can obviously not notice that, so this somehow does not count either?

So instead of what we have today, you will have people fighting in court about which dmca counts and which does not?

And no, I think photo sharing and such is a valuable asset online.

Also, I think that this kind of law will never be changed, it makes sense online and similar things exist offline.

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AdultKing

Keeping to my promise to take this further, a website has been set up to begin the formation of a non-profit association with the aim of combating content theft on tubes and forums.

You can register your interest at www.copycontrol.org

If you wish to become a founding member of the association then an email will be sent out to all people who have registered interest on the 1st of July 2011. The date for a public meeting to formally create the association will be announced in that email.

We hope to webcast that meeting so that people from all over the world may participate.

If you have your content being stolen by forums and tubes, then please register your interest. Those of us already involved are serious about tackling this issue head on, this year.

JustDaveXxx

Wow! This thread turned out well. Learned a lot about a lot reading it.

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shade001

Are you kidding? To the rest of the industry GFY is considered to be a joke as forums go. It is most certainly not viewed as the best of the best. I'm not saying that to be offensive, it is just the reality. GFYers are viewed as webmasters who can't conduct themselves in a businesslike manner or interact with others without insults and drama..........

I don't think that is 100% true but there is some truth to the perception.

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Due

I thought what you where doing was pretty cool, now you are starting to sound like an idiot.


You failed Business 101.
Next time build your own fucking host and make some $ when you sell it to them

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DWB

That didn't actually happen.

Freedom6995

tubes and forums, forums and tubes, interesting turn indeed eh?

I lol at your idea of becoming a pirate to combat piracy. Are you the pot or the kettle?

Before anyone goes all snakey here, I'm against piracy, run a clean everything and am honest to a fault...just don't like the guy.

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Due

I know that :-)

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isteve

EDIT: my humor doesn't work on page 8. Removed.

AdultKing

you're kidding right ?

Try reading the message and not the words.

isteve

Yes I am kidding. Didn't read the 8 pages. My humor doesn't work on page 8 thought so I removed my comment.

Seriously thought, it really looks like you work on behalf of manwin. What you do increase their traffic for sure.

Like I said, it looks like you do. Not saying you do thought. I have no proof or evidence.

I'd like to help you out if you really are not sponsored by big companies. Could I help you by writing softwares to automate your day-to-day tasks?

If yes, I'll email you tomorrow. Could give you 20 hours per week...let me know...

lezinterracial

Just realized how old this thread was.

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Struggle4Bucks

Can someone please inform me: what did I miss in the period between AK getting a donation from Manwin and the day AK announces: Manwin can go fuck himself?

What happend?

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Struggle4Bucks

me too from 2011...

Who are the idiots... we? or the one who bumped it?

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Struggle4Bucks

Bedtime obviously... goodnight...

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DWB

Simple really.

AK adapted. Now file lockers are dying.

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Struggle4Bucks

Are you really answering this question? Why was this thread bumped in the first place?

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Best-In-BC

Launching one tube with there content is not there business model, you mentioning a small part of there business, makes me think you dont have a clue on them

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freakfiles

An interesting read. Say, did you start that whole tube fight with a clear plan of getting paid off?

kyro

OR, you could start a big anti piracy campaign and elicit donations from manwin so you will leave them alone.