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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 06-01-2011, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Fabian

First of all... there is no "all this", so nothing can go away...

And second, there is nothing to clean up...

Frankfurt Fabian...

ADG

Seth Manson · 06-01-2011, 01:57 AM

My business partner has a shit load of adult domains sitting around not doing anything, well they dont appear to be doing anything the guy is really creative at doing things that you cant see up front with them, plus his main focus for the past couple of years have been on his mainstream marketing. He has always been against TGP sites and tube sites and has never built any.

I took one of his adult domains and put a tube on it running the CyberSEO plugin that he bought over 2 years ago and never used it. In 4 days have 87 pages in Google already, on a 10 year old domain. Showed it to him today, now I have instructions to build 113 more of these tubes. At least I wont be bored

If you cant beat'em, then join the fuckers.

JFK · 06-01-2011, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

JFK... this post is for you

aaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwww thanks for trying

Internet User · 06-01-2011, 02:28 AM

how hard would it be to physically eliminate someone?

there are people for hire who'd pop someone for 5-10k.

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Internet User

how hard would it be to physically eliminate someone?

there are people for hire who'd pop someone for 5-10k.

These kinds of posts show the quality of people in this industry...

How many industries do you know where people in it openly talk about _KILLING_ a competitor...

_THIS_ is the reason why this industry is failing, and nothing else. Bunch of wacko's and criminals...

mikke · 06-01-2011, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

brazzersleaks.com for sale $10,000.

thanks for advertises ;)

Internet User · 06-01-2011, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

These kinds of posts show the quality of people in this industry...

Bunch of wacko's and criminals...

Pot / Kettle ?

Are you really surprised that if you step on too many peoples toes and destroy their business someone might want to seek vindication?

It's only a matter of time before someone gets in contact with some russians or albanians or latinos and take care of you and anyone you're associated with.

You ruin big cashcow businesses. You ruin lives. Don't for a second think there won't be payback.

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Internet User

Pot / Kettle ?

Are you really surprised that if you step on too many peoples toes and destroy their business someone might want to seek vindication?

It's only a matter of time before someone gets in contact with some russians or albanians or latinos and take care of you and anyone you're associated with.

You ruin big cashcow businesses. You ruin lives. Don't for a second think there won't be payback.

Sorry, there is no pot/kettle with killing someone... thats just brain dead.

The most important fact also being we have no destroyed anyone business in any illegal way... if you think that deserves killing someone... just proves what kind of person you are... that's your only solution, that's a sad sad thing.

Internet User · 06-01-2011, 02:55 AM

You have put out of business people making hundreds of thousands of dollars per month. A lot of these people are involved in organized crime or are 'connected' one way or another.

If you think you are getting away with what you're doing, you're naive.

theking · 06-01-2011, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Internet User

You have put out of business people making hundreds of thousands of dollars per month. A lot of these people are involved in organized crime or are 'connected' one way or another.

If you think you are getting away with what you're doing, you're naive.

Name one business that was making hundreds of thousands per month that he has put out of business.

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 03:16 AM

I would love to know too...

JFK · 06-01-2011, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Internet User

how hard would it be to physically eliminate someone?

there are people for hire who'd pop someone for 5-10k.

and what would that solve ?

MaDalton · 06-01-2011, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

all hardcore content should be behind a paid membership area.
i am shocked that it isn't an enforced law, and people streaming hardcore content like that don't get picked up in whatever country they happen to be in.
it should be labelled as child endangerment, or something worse even
i guarantee that a large chunk of viewers of tube content are kids under 16 years of age

Welcome to Germany!

there is no german based tube site, message board, website or whatever where hardcore content is freely available. you have to dig real deep or it's by german people who operate from outside Germany.

make it like that worldwide and see your revenues go up again

Klen · 06-01-2011, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Internet User

Pot / Kettle ?

Are you really surprised that if you step on too many peoples toes and destroy their business someone might want to seek vindication?

It's only a matter of time before someone gets in contact with some russians or albanians or latinos and take care of you and anyone you're associated with.

You ruin big cashcow businesses. You ruin lives. Don't for a second think there won't be payback.

Looks like you forgot Chris Malick who fucked somany people including many mafia organizations yet still walks freely.

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Internet User

how hard would it be to physically eliminate someone?

there are people for hire who'd pop someone for 5-10k.

How Dumb are you.

This is not about a someone this is about a company. No matter what our differences business wise, I have no personal issue with Nathan. He is a smart guy, trying to make a buck and he has been very successful at doing so. He has proved his credentials time and time again.

I repeat THIS IS NOT PERSONAL! Keep comments like this to yourself, it makes you look like a complete fuckwit.

DWB · 06-01-2011, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Love Sex

Someone forgot Manwin owns more then tubes.

If I was 15 years old, I'd sit down the street and shoot every one of those windows out with my BB gun.

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 04:04 AM

Nathan,

If I could provide you a service which kept up to 80% of content off your tubes that copyright owners have expressed the desire not to be there , would you use it ?

If no, would you use it if it was industry funded with Manwin contributing 20% of the running cost ?

CamTraffic · 06-01-2011, 04:20 AM

From:

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

How about some DMCA free jurisdiction servers running a few tubes full of manwin only content ?

Then buying heaps of banner space on torrent sites.

I'm actually seriously thinking about it.

to:

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Manwin can go fuck themselves, I really am willing to invest cash in employing their own business model against them.

and then there was:

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Nathan,

If I could provide you a service which kept up to 80% of content off your tubes that copyright owners have expressed the desire not to be there , would you use it ?

If no, would you use it if it was industry funded with Manwin contributing 20% of the running cost ?

you made me

knew that was going to happen

Black All Through · 06-01-2011, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Let me predict something, nothing is going to happen.

No offense.

...and nothing ever will.

SZNY · 06-01-2011, 04:26 AM

Don't understand why some people don't invest their time in developing or working on their own products instead of hating and trolling. Pretty lame attitude

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CamTraffic

you made me

knew that was going to happen

My options are open, you forget my objective here. It's to stop Manwin raping content they don't own or have a right to profit from. If any method works then it's a good result.

I have several plans of action, only some discussed here.

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Black All Through

...and nothing ever will.

I wouldn't place bets on that if I were you

I have been around a long time, I don't play games, especially ones with these stakes,

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Nathan,

If I could provide you a service which kept up to 80% of content off your tubes that copyright owners have expressed the desire not to be there , would you use it ?

If no, would you use it if it was industry funded with Manwin contributing 20% of the running cost ?

Hi,

of course we would use it... I would also have no problem funding it with my share based on brazzers and mofos content.

How do you plan to get it to be used by all the sites? You have mine, no worries there, but what about the many other tubes?

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Hi,

of course we would use it... I would also have no problem funding it with my share based on brazzers and mofos content.

How do you plan to get it to be used by all the sites? You have mine, no worries there, but what about the many other tubes?

So you wouldn't mind your current number of videos being cut to shreds ? If not, I think we need to have a chat, because an interesting idea came up tonight at a dinner I went to with a few friends. It's late here and I am off to bed, I'm happy to have a chat tomorrow if you are willing.

The caveat however is , that if such a system was put in place, you would have no control over it, it would be industry sponsored and operated by an independent third party which would need access to your network. Only that way could there be no accusations of cheating the system.

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

So you wouldn't mind your current number of videos being cut to shreds ? If not, I think we need to have a chat, because an interesting idea came up tonight at a dinner I went to with a few friends. It's late here and I am off to bed, I'm happy to have a chat tomorrow if you are willing.

The caveat however is , that if such a system was put in place, you would have no control over it, it would be industry sponsored and operated by an independent third party which would need access to your network. Only that way could there be no accusations of cheating the system.

You overestimate the number of content that will be removed by such a system... greatly.

And obviously nobody is getting access to our systems, that's just insanity if you think we would allow that. That is simple business logic. It causes major liability and legal issues. Being sure nobody can accuse anyone can be done via the right contract setup with audit rights and such.

Also, you do realize that anyone in this industry can fingerprint their videos via Vobile and they will not appear on our tubes?

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

You overestimate the number of content that will be removed by such a system... greatly.

And obviously nobody is getting access to our systems, that's just insanity if you think we would allow that. That is simple business logic. It causes major liability and legal issues. Being sure nobody can accuse anyone can be done via the right contract setup with audit rights and such.

Also, you do realize that anyone in this industry can fingerprint their videos via Vobile and they will not appear on our tubes?

So if there was a magic database of video fingerprints which ran a subsytem on your backends to instantly remove videos matching those fingerprints you wouldn't do it. You'd prefer to complicate matters by having audits. Any audit can be fudged, and you are slow to remove content and hopeless at preventing it being re-uploaded, then when it is you are slow at removing it again.

I should have known better Nathan, Manwin doesn't want an instant system of removal, it's not in your business plan.

If you want to discuss this on the phone , lets set it up, if not then battle lines will be redrawn.

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 05:51 AM

AK, I have no problem setting up a vobile like solution on top of what we have. But it would not be a black box, it would be an API system just like vobile.

All I am saying is that I can not let a third party into our servers to hack around...

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 05:52 AM

Also, when I talked about audits, I was talking about the fact you wanted a third party to control our servers or change them somehow to be sure its really being done. THAT is what I said we can do in an audit, to verify that the system is being used.

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

AK, I have no problem setting up a vobile like solution on top of what we have. But it would not be a black box, it would be an API system just like vobile.

All I am saying is that I can not let a third party into our servers to hack around...

So if we set up an industry run database of content that copyright holders could add their content to, then matched that against content on your tubes, providing you with a method of plugging it into your tube network, which would be able to remove videos and identify repeat offenders uploading such content you'd be ok with that ? If so, we might be able to work something out. Because not everyone can use vobile, however a free system would be more likely to be adopted. The concept would also include search technology which would daily audit your sites for problems, so there would be no easy way for Manwin to cheat such a system.

If we could work something out, would Manwin be willing to join in a coalition of content rights holders to take non compliant tube sites to task ?

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

So if we set up an industry run database of content that copyright holders could add their content to, then matched that against content on your tubes, providing you with a method of plugging it into your tube network, which would be able to remove videos and identify repeat offenders uploading such content you'd be ok with that ? If so, we might be able to work something out. Because not everyone can use vobile, however a free system would be more likely to be adopted. The concept would also include search technology which would daily audit your sites for problems, so there would be no easy way for Manwin to cheat such a system.

Be my guest... no need to talk about this, get the system up, give us the details, we'll use it.

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 06:06 AM

Any content rights holders who have issues with Manwin who are interested in such a system will have the chance to register interest on a web site we will set up tomorrow.

I think we may be getting somewhere. I'll post a thread tomorrow GMT +10 with details of how to pre-register for an industry wide solution to keep your content off Manwin tubes unless you explicitly want it to be there.

For those of you already on my mailing list re: this issue I'll send out a broadcast email tomorrow afternoon GMT +10.

CaptainHowdy · 06-01-2011, 06:07 AM

We love you, Nathan ...

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Be my guest... no need to talk about this, get the system up, give us the details, we'll use it.

I'll take you at your word Nathan, if we can get this rolling then everyone wins. Hopefully if you adopt the system you can also assist bringing other tube sites into line which would generate great goodwill for Manwin.

Jon Oso · 06-01-2011, 06:10 AM

Am I reading that Nathan is willing to set up affiliate links on "user submitted" content? Or did I completely read that wrong. If he's got millions of hits a day/week/hour whatever ... why WOULDN'T you want to try to work with him and capitalize on it? Your content is just going to continue being stolen anyway.

Then again I'd probably look at it differently if a bunch of my content was being stolen and submitted to tubes, I've only seen a couple dozen message boards with photos I've taken on them, and it didn't really bother me much.

GonZo · 06-01-2011, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

These kinds of posts show the quality of people in this industry...

How many industries do you know where people in it openly talk about _KILLING_ a competitor...

Wow.... I cant believe the post or the user is still on here.

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 06:13 AM

Just a few remarks:
1) The system will need to allow for owners of copyrighted material to upload things themselves since many will want to use our partnership program although they want to make sure only they can upload.
2) The system needs to be for all tubes and not just manwin tubes. We'll be more than happy to be the first ones to use it of course.
3) If we own licenses to content for use on our tubes, even if that content is in such a system as not to be used, we will not follow that system's request.

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GonZo

Wow.... I cant believe the post or the user is still on here.

I agree, it was a stupid , virtually criminal comment. This isn't a game of personal vendettas this is business. Manwin was the issue in this thread, not Nathan personally.

AdultKing · 06-01-2011, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

1) The system will need to allow for owners of copyrighted material to upload things themselves since many will want to use our partnership program although they want to make sure only they can upload.

That goes without saying, providing it's rights holders only and not their misguided affiliates.

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2) The system needs to be for all tubes and not just manwin tubes. We'll be more than happy to be the first ones to use it of course.

That's why I suggested you join such a coalition, lets clean up tubes together and bring pressure to bear on those who wont fall into line.

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3) If we own licenses to content for use on our tubes, even if that content is in such a system as not to be used, we will not follow that system's request.

If you own a license for content, presumably the rights holders would not submit it as material to be taken down.

It's late I am going to bed. I'll be posting more on this tomorrow. However this is not just an issue for Manwin anymore, this is now up to you the content rights holders to come on board and participate rather than whine on forums about your content being stolen. If everyone can contribute to such a system then perhaps pervasive changes may be afoot.

And with that , I'm out for the night and will be back tomorrow.

kristin · 06-01-2011, 06:40 AM

250.

I fail to see how your system would be different than Vobile or why Vobile won't work for everyone?

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 06:41 AM

kristin,

I think his argument is that his system would be free.

Although I doubt it will be in the end, but ok.

kristin · 06-01-2011, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

kristin,

I think his argument is that his system would be free.

Although I doubt it will be in the end, but ok.

Ahh gotcha.

Thanks, carry on.

DWB · 06-01-2011, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

And obviously nobody is getting access to our systems, that's just insanity if you think we would allow that. That is simple business logic. It causes major liability and legal issues.

You mean you wouldn't trust me inside the guts of your system with a kill switch? Come on!

DWB · 06-01-2011, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

If you own a license for content, presumably the rights holders would not submit it as material to be taken down.

That's not true.

I had a mishap with a DVD distributor who licensed some of my movies to them by mistake during one of Mansef's massive content buys. It was taken care of, but shit does happen.

BFT3K · 06-01-2011, 07:02 AM

Come back here in 2 years - on June 1st, 2013

The porn tubes you know of today, will be gone... or completely unrecognizable at a minimum.

DWB · 06-01-2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Come back here in 2 years - on June 1st, 2013

The porn tubes you know of today, will be gone... or completely unrecognizable at a minimum.

As will be gone 40% - 50% of the current industry, either consolidated or out of business.

gideongallery · 06-01-2011, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

If you own a license for content, presumably the rights holders would not submit it as material to be taken down.

It's late I am going to bed. I'll be posting more on this tomorrow. However this is not just an issue for Manwin anymore, this is now up to you the content rights holders to come on board and participate rather than whine on forums about your content being stolen. If everyone can contribute to such a system then perhaps pervasive changes may be afoot.

And with that , I'm out for the night and will be back tomorrow.

right it not like there has ever been a time when a content producer sent a bogus takedown request.

Socks · 06-01-2011, 08:21 AM

Hrm I have a little idea, likely will go nowhere but here goes. Will report back in a few minutes.

96ukssob · 06-01-2011, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

kristin,

I think his argument is that his system would be free.

Although I doubt it will be in the end, but ok.

i still dont understand the thought process behind you guys. jack a bunch of content, fully KNOWING what you are doing is illegal and then playing the "tell us and we'll remove it" game with you think is ok?

on top of that, you guys don't even remove half the content that is asked for... or just keep adding more and claim its "user uploaded"

enjoy the ride now... it will be over shortly and you guys will struggling to find the next venture to make your car and mortgage payments

Nathan · 06-01-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

i still dont understand the thought process behind you guys. jack a bunch of content, fully KNOWING what you are doing is illegal and then playing the "tell us and we'll remove it" game with you think is ok?

on top of that, you guys don't even remove half the content that is asked for... or just keep adding more and claim its "user uploaded"

enjoy the ride now... it will be over shortly and you guys will struggling to find the next venture to make your car and mortgage payments

The thing you don't understand is what we are actually doing.

We are not jacking content.
We are not doing anything illegal.
We are not playing any games.
We do not ignore DMCA requests.
The content is user uploaded.

DeanCapture · 06-01-2011, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

The thing you don't understand is what we are actually doing.

We are not jacking content.
We are not doing anything illegal.
We are not playing any games.
We do not ignore DMCA requests.
The content is user uploaded.

Nathan, you forgot one:

We profit from stolen content that does not belong to us.

06-01-2011, 01:57 AM	#202
Seth Manson Please dont fuck animals Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 3,988	My business partner has a shit load of adult domains sitting around not doing anything, well they dont appear to be doing anything the guy is really creative at doing things that you cant see up front with them, plus his main focus for the past couple of years have been on his mainstream marketing. He has always been against TGP sites and tube sites and has never built any. I took one of his adult domains and put a tube on it running the CyberSEO plugin that he bought over 2 years ago and never used it. In 4 days have 87 pages in Google already, on a 10 year old domain. Showed it to him today, now I have instructions to build 113 more of these tubes. At least I wont be bored If you cant beat'em, then join the fuckers. __________________

06-01-2011, 03:16 AM	#211
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	I would love to know too... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

06-01-2011, 04:26 AM	#220
SZNY SZNY Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Sexy Republic Posts: 2,798	Don't understand why some people don't invest their time in developing or working on their own products instead of hating and trolling. Pretty lame attitude __________________ Skype: sjmanthonio san at ctrlventure dot com

06-01-2011, 05:51 AM	#227
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	AK, I have no problem setting up a vobile like solution on top of what we have. But it would not be a black box, it would be an API system just like vobile. All I am saying is that I can not let a third party into our servers to hack around... __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

06-01-2011, 05:52 AM	#228
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Also, when I talked about audits, I was talking about the fact you wanted a third party to control our servers or change them somehow to be sure its really being done. THAT is what I said we can do in an audit, to verify that the system is being used. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

06-01-2011, 02:28 AM	#204
Internet User So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: New York Posts: 544	how hard would it be to physically eliminate someone? there are people for hire who'd pop someone for 5-10k.

06-01-2011, 02:55 AM	#209
Internet User So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: New York Posts: 544	You have put out of business people making hundreds of thousands of dollars per month. A lot of these people are involved in organized crime or are 'connected' one way or another. If you think you are getting away with what you're doing, you're naive.

06-01-2011, 04:04 AM	#217
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	Nathan, If I could provide you a service which kept up to 80% of content off your tubes that copyright owners have expressed the desire not to be there , would you use it ? If no, would you use it if it was industry funded with Manwin contributing 20% of the running cost ?

06-01-2011, 06:06 AM	#231
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,605	Any content rights holders who have issues with Manwin who are interested in such a system will have the chance to register interest on a web site we will set up tomorrow. I think we may be getting somewhere. I'll post a thread tomorrow GMT +10 with details of how to pre-register for an industry wide solution to keep your content off Manwin tubes unless you explicitly want it to be there. For those of you already on my mailing list re: this issue I'll send out a broadcast email tomorrow afternoon GMT +10. Last edited by AdultKing; 06-01-2011 at 06:07 AM..

06-01-2011, 06:07 AM	#232
CaptainHowdy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Happy in the dark. Posts: 92,985	We love you, Nathan ... __________________ FLASH SALE INSANITY! deal with a 100% Trusted Seller Buy Traffic Spots on a High-Quality Network 1 Year or Lifetime — That’s Right, Until the Internet Explodes!

06-01-2011, 06:10 AM	#234
Jon Oso Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cardboard Box Posts: 2,241	Am I reading that Nathan is willing to set up affiliate links on "user submitted" content? Or did I completely read that wrong. If he's got millions of hits a day/week/hour whatever ... why WOULDN'T you want to try to work with him and capitalize on it? Your content is just going to continue being stolen anyway. Then again I'd probably look at it differently if a bunch of my content was being stolen and submitted to tubes, I've only seen a couple dozen message boards with photos I've taken on them, and it didn't really bother me much. __________________ icq 416133583 My Blog Clips4Sale Store

06-01-2011, 06:13 AM	#236
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	Just a few remarks: 1) The system will need to allow for owners of copyrighted material to upload things themselves since many will want to use our partnership program although they want to make sure only they can upload. 2) The system needs to be for all tubes and not just manwin tubes. We'll be more than happy to be the first ones to use it of course. 3) If we own licenses to content for use on our tubes, even if that content is in such a system as not to be used, we will not follow that system's request. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

06-01-2011, 06:40 AM	#239
kristin GOO! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Back Home : ) Posts: 9,768	250. I fail to see how your system would be different than Vobile or why Vobile won't work for everyone? __________________ Vacares rules. "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

06-01-2011, 06:41 AM	#240
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	kristin, I think his argument is that his system would be free. Although I doubt it will be in the end, but ok. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

06-01-2011, 07:02 AM	#244
BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	Come back here in 2 years - on June 1st, 2013 The porn tubes you know of today, will be gone... or completely unrecognizable at a minimum.

06-01-2011, 08:21 AM	#247
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,478	Hrm I have a little idea, likely will go nowhere but here goes. Will report back in a few minutes.