kane

Wrong. Whatever you and Doc were going to do would have been between the two of you. He may have posted results, but it would have only been numbers, not the technicalities of what was going on.




You are right. I didn't remember it correctly so I went back and found it. https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17330347&postcount=198 this is the original post from about 11 months ago where you claim you had just taught 30 different people and you went on to explain how you wanted to get classes as big as 1500 people so you can make bank for only working 1 week per month. How has that worked out? You are paranoid that Robbie and I would steal your formula if you worked with TheDoc, but you are willing to give that formula to 1500 people and hope that they can use it to make money which you will get a royalty on and hope they don't screw you out of.

But then recently you claimed you were the only one doing what you are doing and you are staying under the radar. You can't be both. You can't be under the radar and the lone wolf yet teaching 1500 people the techniques. So which is is? I think we know.

BTW if you had taken the deal and worked with TheDoc and you were able to do 100 sales per day right now you would be a multi-millionaire.



Your problem is that you don't debate, you talk at. You never EVER accept that you might not be 100% correct in a situation. You often don't win debates with evidence, you simply wear other people out. That is annoying, it's not effective. You jump all over the place and if you can't win on one point you will go to another and another and another until eventually you forget what you were even debating about.

Here is a little tip. If you want to learn how to debate people you don't call them morons or idiots or racists. The second you start calling people names you start to lose credibility.

gideongallery

if i changed the content to make product placement for porn to be possible all you would need to do to copy it is look at the content

if i changed his tours so that they were piracy friendly all you would have to do do is look at the tour

the techniques could be copied from the changes so yes i would lose control

unfortunatly your cycle is close to tv shows which will be the real big money maker



1. the cycle for musicians is different then porn videos
2. i haven't gotton to the 1500 class level yet
3. when i do secrecy will be replaced with critical mass

i suggest you go back and read the thread because i already said that.



the one that works for mucisians may have similarities to the one that works for porn VIDEOS but it not exactly the same

i can teach the one that cycle for musicians

and keep the porn video cycle secret.

as long as you don't know exactly which musicians i a teaching you their hidden in the forrest of unsigned musicians.



seriously


your the guy who just argued that the appeals court ruled in favor of the exact same arguement that lost at the original trial because they had better experts at the appeal.

sorry but people so clueless about the way the law works that they would make those kinds of stupid statements are who i am arguing with.

moron is not name calling it an accurate title for those type of people.

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Product placement in porn in a micro income stream, even with piracy, tubes, and 10's of million internet views, on a porn video - it's worth shit! And it has a cost, being that nobody is knocking our doors down to advertise them, we have to go hire someone to go get them, someone in that industry, someone that's going to cost.

And a piracy friendly tour? Hahaha....

Nobody would copy it... we want to convert better, not get a shit ton of crap traffic that requires the most craziest ass filtering ever to pull sales out of it. Then to normal adult traffic those features would be useless.

Overall, I'll put money down that your ideas wouldn't make more than a few extra grand a month.

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gideongallery

a few grand a month per scene is nothing to laugh at especially if the individual changes take you less then 15 minutes.

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You might find a few people willing to spend a few grand, a few times... but it will dry up fast & you sure as hell wont find one for every scene. Either way it's still going to cost money to find those people & people want stats/data, a pitch, ie: more money, time, investment if you want real money. They aren't just going to come to you, so the reality is, it's a few hundred bucks a scene, at best..

Like I said a micro income... and for micro incomes to work, you need staff to grow and maintain them, so you can stack them up, so it's actually worth the time put into them.

It's not going to hold your business over or pay for scenes.

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gideongallery

i heard similar complaints from the musicians i taught this stuff too

they were all to small to get product placement money and it would be too much work for them to do it. yada yada yada

they were wrong and so are you.


if you truely understand how the system of product placement works the money is not small and it not hard to get at all.

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Who said small? Big to small, it's the same micro money.... and it like that musician, they aren't finding the product placement companies, they pay someone else, the studio/production company or someone else, to do it all, find them, hire them, contract them, and then the musician gets paid - a micro amount.

Other than I've actually done it in our Industry and talked with those that have and know how tough it is and how little it brings in... AND I understand it has actual costs and I don't pretend like mainstream and music are different industries or taboo, when they aren't.... and porn is.

Getting your brand trashed through the Christian community is far far far far far far far far far more damaging than anything all of porn combined together could bring that brand to replace it.

It's funny to watch you pretend like you have a clue... dance away, dance away.

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Usa ok!!

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kane

Again, nobody even needs to know what site you are promoting or how you are doing it. If we were to find it we would have to go searching for it and if it were really making 100+ sales per day I have a feeling TheDoc isn't going be posting the URL everywhere he goes.

The internet is a big place, there are plenty of places to hide and keep what you are doing to yourself.












the one that works for mucisians may have similarities to the one that works for porn VIDEOS but it not exactly the same

i can teach the one that cycle for musicians

and keep the porn video cycle secret.

as long as you don't know exactly which musicians i a teaching you their hidden in the forrest of unsigned musicians.[/QUOTE]


I did and it sounded a lot to me like you have a pipe dream that will likely never get off the ground.




Clearly you don't understand what I am saying. My point was that every day in this country lawsuits are lost and the losers file an appeal. At the appeal they do something differently than they did at the original trial and they appeal goes in their favor. I don't know what they did differently, I just threw out a few different thoughts. Whatever it was, it worked.

But here is the problem with you. You will not cede a single point. In the Extreme Associates case you can't even accept that they won their initial court case only to then later lose the appeal.

By definition Win means: A successful result in a contest, conflict, bet, or other endeavor; a victory. So if you go into a court case seeking to have the case thrown out and that is the result you get, you have won. You were victorious. You can't even allow yourself to see that reality.

As for he name calling. You are the one who claims to be trying to change an entire industry. You are the one who says that you are here to learn how to overcome objections so you can learn from them and overcome them before they ever come up so that you can identify winning arguments,yet most of your points start off with MORON, IDIOT etc.

I'm not trying to tell you how to live your life. I don't care about you. I think you are nothing more than an egotistical, self-entitled pirate who likes to wrap themselves in the flag of fair use crusader or free speech advocate or whatever you are masquerading as this week. But in my life I have done plenty of business with people and I know if I were to have called them a moron because they didn't understand what I was saying they would have kicked my ass out the door.

gideongallery

you can't guarrentee that

it one single site, that a hell of a lot harder to hide then just spreading out the success amoung a hundred different accounts

he was giving me 50% only he wanted me to be the only affiliate that no better than a standard affiliate deal.

the docs offer didn't have any upside (it the same amount i could get thru 100 different accounts) and a huge downside risk.

it was only worth it if he did all the grunt work out his half (ie moved the people who would have submitted galleries to tgp to submitting tube videos)

then the amount of money would have been way more than a standard affiliate deal.


but the point is the REASON why they won defines the scope of the ruling

your using this "whatever" to argue that it had nothing to do with the distinction between public transmission and public broadcast.


to argue my scope definition is wrong because you say this "whatever" reason actually exists.

moron i never said they didn't win at the lower court level

i said they didn't win the CASE

it not weather they won it WHAT they won

your saying that a win on a motion to dismiss is equal to winning a case

in this case a win of the case would have double jeapordy protection so you could be tried at all for the crime again

a win on the motion to dismiss means that it can be appealed and the case can continue

There is a huge difference between those two wins

The fact is the supreme court never hears trials, there was absolutely no way shape or form they only hear appeals (using the strict rules for an appeal)

there is no possible way that extreme associates could ever ask the supreme court to hear their case. which means they never made such a request, which also means your reason for not hearing it is totally bogus as well.


the only issue to ajudicate was the motion to dismiss, the supreme court decision to not hear the case at all was strongest form of agreement that could ever be voiced with the appeal court ruling

if even 1 judge believed there was outstanding issues with the ruling, one judge believed that a single issue need to be clarified, the supreme court accepts the case

that the way it works.

it works doesn't how many times have you said you don't know why you argue with me

your doing the research for me.

your still trying to argue that win in a case is equal to win on a motion to dismiss

that arguement is like saying that a if you bet on a basketball game and your favorite team wins at football you should get paid just because they exist within the same city

the win on one battle does not automatically win the war.

and the difference between a motion to dismiss that can be overturned on appeal

and a win on the entire case, which has double jeapordy protection is and will aways be completely different.

even though both are "wins"

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No, what I am saying is a win is a win is a win. If two teams are scheduled to play a game and one doesn't show up, the one that did show up wins. It isn't the same kind of win as if they had actually beaten them on the field, but they still get the win.

Whether the extreme associates won because the case was thrown out (their desired result) or whether it went to trail and they won via a jury ruling doesn't matter. A win is a win and no matter the outcome there was going to be an appeal.

Had they won via a jury ruling the appeal might have been harder to win, but it doesn't change the fact that the won the first round of the fight.

In the end does it really matter? You are so lost in the details of everything that I can't imagine how you actually enjoy life. When you bang a chick do you go through a 48 point checklist with her as foreplay?

Either way I'm done. Mid-year resolution will be to no longer bother you in your threads.

gideongallery

ask the guys serving the jail time weather they would be in jail because yout only one a motion to dismiss or if they would rather be out free because they actually won their case

there is a huge difference between the two.
the jail time is the difference.

absolutely not if you win the case and get aquitted the prosecution can't appeal that win

look it up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy

this was why i was shocked when you claimed the won the case and it got overturned on appeal

that an impossiblity under the double jeopardy rules.

you keep making that promise you never seem to stick with it.

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