Here is a paysite idea I wanted to try on Twistys. Feel free to give it a shot - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Caligari · 09-30-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Also, you never answered (although you pretty much did from your replies) whether you are an affiliate or paysite owner.

Missed that. Primarily an affiliate although i have a few small paysites.

As far as suggestions on the tube site model...stop putting full length videos on tube sites.
Make people pay to watch them.
If the content is compelling enough they will buy them.
Maybe the focus or "thinking out of the box" should be how to trigger people's response to subscribe based upon the dynamics of a given page with a video embed.

Shap · 09-30-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

Look, it should be obvious to everyone what is happening right now.
You see all of these big players buying up tubes to dump all of their content on them in order to control a larger share of traffic.
Okay.
It also should be apparent that many of these companies are no longer converting with their sites the way they used to. As a matter of fact, far less.

So what is the problem here? Much of the new content I see is great, well done and yet its harder and harder to sell...

But it's not about the paysite model per se, it's really about the kind of content being sold (saturation- niche saturation) and the cookie cutter look so many paysites now have.

So in the end you can control a larger piece of the traffic pie with tubes but what happened to the idea of producing the content which people love to buy?

What is the endgame? Mass production of tube sites that all start looking the same because they are the same because they have the same content which starts boring the shit out of people or...

The idea that content is still king?

The idea that being ambitious or a leader in this biz is actually sprung from the creation side and not from the McPorn side of the equation.

You think companies are buying the tubes to dump their content on it? I can tell you right now the companies doing that are not the ones you'll be hearing about in the next 5 years.

Shap · 09-30-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

Look, it should be obvious to everyone what is happening right now.
You see all of these big players buying up tubes to dump all of their content on them in order to control a larger share of traffic.
Okay.
It also should be apparent that many of these companies are no longer converting with their sites the way they used to. As a matter of fact, far less.

So what is the problem here? Much of the new content I see is great, well done and yet its harder and harder to sell...

But it's not about the paysite model per se, it's really about the kind of content being sold (saturation- niche saturation) and the cookie cutter look so many paysites now have.

So in the end you can control a larger piece of the traffic pie with tubes but what happened to the idea of producing the content which people love to buy?

What is the endgame? Mass production of tube sites that all start looking the same because they are the same because they have the same content which starts boring the shit out of people or...

The idea that content is still king?

The idea that being ambitious or a leader in this biz is actually sprung from the creation side and not from the McPorn side of the equation.

We can talk all day about the paysite model. It is same as it was 10 years ago. Same offering, same price, same everything. All that while the web has moved on. No site that was big 10 years ago is still big today without having evolved. If you stand still and do nothing different you can't expect to be the same size tomorrow as you are today.

Robbie · 09-30-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

No site that was big 10 years ago is still big today without having evolved. If you stand still and do nothing different you can't expect to be the same size tomorrow as you are today.

That's true. But how much of that is "evolving" (implying some great leap forward) and how much of it is the simple business truth that neither you or I nor anyone in the world wants to pay for something that everyone else gets for free?

I can definitely see how to make money with the traffic. But I kinda like being in the PORN biz. heh-heh
Selling ad spots and/or making all my money on cams isn't being in the porn biz in my humble opinion.

Shap · 09-30-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

Missed that. Primarily an affiliate although i have a few small paysites.

As far as suggestions on the tube site model...stop putting full length videos on tube sites.
Make people pay to watch them.
If the content is compelling enough they will buy them.
Maybe the focus or "thinking out of the box" should be how to trigger people's response to subscribe based upon the dynamics of a given page with a video embed.

I give you xhamster to run tomorrow. It's making a mil a month. Are you going to pull all the full length clips from it?

Take it from somebody who was in the industry and started small with no money no connections and fought his way up until he eventually cashed out. The only person you have to worry about is yourself because ABSOLUTELY NOBODY ELSE gives a shit about you. If you are out of business tomorrow nobody cares. For too long I worried about what's best for the industry. No one person is going to change this biz for the better. We can each make our contributions here and there but in the long run you have to worry about yourself and make sure you are taken care of.

Shap · 09-30-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That's true. But how much of that is "evolving" (implying some great leap forward) and how much of it is the simple business truth that neither you or I nor anyone in the world wants to pay for something that everyone else gets for free?

I can definitely see how to make money with the traffic. But I kinda like being in the PORN biz. heh-heh
Selling ad spots and/or making all my money on cams isn't being in the porn biz in my humble opinion.

If Claudia's site was exactly as it was even 5 years ago would you be enjoying the success you are enjoying today? I'm speaking strictly about the site itself and not it's surroundings. Obviously sometimes the environment you are in will change so drastically that you have to as well or you will be out of business. Blockbuster had the movie rental market. They were killing it. Now they are all boarded up and out of business (at least in canada they are).

Robbie · 09-30-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

If Claudia's site was exactly as it was even 5 years ago would you be enjoying the success you are enjoying today?

Heck no. First thing I had to do was protect my content. That changed things for us dramatically almost 3 years ago. If I hadn't white knuckled it and made the decision to go with a protected stream (and risk losing all my members and rebills) I don't think I'd be in business today.

And then I decided to turn the tour and members area into a "tube" and hacked up my mech bunny script to do my bidding. That was in 2008...and again was a big leap of faith.

And of course we started streaming our own weekly free live cam show starting in 2007 with everything self contained (not using ANY third party company to do it).

So yeah, I've always been about making a paysite that I personally would enjoy. And we are able to monetize it and get traffic in ways that 99% of paysites can't (the aformentioned fact that every major traffic site has a streamate white label and we sell memberships to claudiamarie.com with one click off of streamate...the most targeted traffic EVER) and that also includes our ability to do things virally and social network-wise that most "big" paysites simply can't do.

So yeah, I've "evolved".
But piracy and full scenes for free still affect me.
They destroyed the affiliate business for paysites. And they have taken away God only knows how much money that we all would be making from spur of the moment impulse and middle of the night drunk sales that this industry used to make millions with.

Anyway...your last comment:

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Originally Posted by Shap

The only person you have to worry about is yourself because ABSOLUTELY NOBODY ELSE gives a shit about you.

Now THAT is universal wisdom. Whether it's the adult biz, the car business, insurance salesman, or a kid with a lemonade stand.

Shap · 09-30-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Send you the video that ended up on the tube site? And you can visit the autumnriley.com to see the tour. I have a pretty good understanding of all the flaws my tour has currently and how i could better it, I just don't think i could turn 1000 dollars in tube traffic to 1000 dollars in sales by making small changes. If currently tube traffic hasn't converted anything for myself or other owners i speak to on a regular basis. Especially given the amount of traffic we've tested with so far

I believe it was a higher quality version of this video, but it was on tube8 or one of their larger tubes.

http://xogogo.com/videos/16039/autum...he-mirror.html

Here is my thinking. You are charging $25 a month straight up. No other options for a site that updates sometimes twice a week sometimes once a week. Right? Right off the bat that has to be a problem. Twistys was charging $25 a month and updating 2 full scenes and 3 full photosets every single day. If Autumn is a catch and something worth joining then you have to have cheaper options to get them in and wet their appetite. What about a lite version with a few full scenes for a $1? What about selling off the HQ picture zips you talk about?

The tour itself does nothing to enhance and entice the surfer further after your video. The video is amateur and very real feeling and the tour is anything but.

Those are just a few. I'm not at all surprised you haven't seen results but I don't think it's impossible for you to see results with that girl to a paysite of her. I think my idea in particular would work really well with her. If the landing page looked nice but much more amateur and had 3 or 4 images of similar looking girls that are on cams right now you could start making money right there.

Also, I'd make your watermark easier to read.

Shap · 09-30-2011, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Heck no. First thing I had to do was protect my content. That changed things for us dramatically almost 3 years ago. If I hadn't white knuckled it and made the decision to go with a protected stream (and risk losing all my members and rebills) I don't think I'd be in business today.

And then I decided to turn the tour and members area into a "tube" and hacked up my mech bunny script to do my bidding. That was in 2008...and again was a big leap of faith.

And of course we started streaming our own weekly free live cam show starting in 2007 with everything self contained (not using ANY third party company to do it).

So yeah, I've always been about making a paysite that I personally would enjoy. And we are able to monetize it and get traffic in ways that 99% of paysites can't (the aformentioned fact that every major traffic site has a streamate white label and we sell memberships to claudiamarie.com with one click off of streamate...the most targeted traffic EVER) and that also includes our ability to do things virally and social network-wise that most "big" paysites simply can't do.

So yeah, I've "evolved".
But piracy and full free scenes for free still affect me.
They destroyed the affiliate business for paysites. And they have taken away God only knows how much money that we all would be making from spur of the moment impulse and middle of the night drunk sales that this industry used to make millions with.

Anyway...you're last comment:

Now THAT is universal wisdom. Whether it's the adult biz, the car business, insurance salesman, or a kid with a lemonade stand.

That's my point. Your hard work and smart decisions have resulted in you not only surviving but enjoying continued success with CM. Most people here want continued success without putting in the effort you and I have always put in. They want things to go back the way they were.

And absolutely tubes have changed the game. The current environment is scary as all hell. There hasn't been a single moment where I have had any regret in selling the business and the main reason is where things are and where they are going.

Shap · 09-30-2011, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SZNY

interesting ideas, Shap what would you suggest for new pay sites start ups related to getting exposure on tubes vs investment budgets ?

Keep your budget at a level that you are happy losing it all. The initial testing phase is hard. I've always been cheap on that phase and prefer to test with free traffic over paid traffic.

Shap · 09-30-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

How about an answer for me?

It's funny I gave you the solution to the problem you've been complaining about and you completely ignore it and don't even comment on it. How come? Too much work?

gideongallery · 09-30-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Here is an idea I had for Twistys. We never had a chance to implement and try it. I don't know if it would work. Feel free to try it and if it works or you want to try and want to bounce ideas off me hit me up

I'll type this out with the points that led and formed the idea.

Point 1. In order for Twistys to have a bright future I felt it was important that we be able to have a strong presence on Tube sites and be able to make money from it. Just uploading videos wouldn't be enough. We also had to be able to buy ad spots and make money from it.

Point 2. Tours are relatively unchanged in the past 5 years which is absolutely mind blowing when you think about it. Things have changed so much in the past 5 years but not how paysites are sold.

Point 3. Tube sites offer huge exposure for your brand. There has never been a greater opportunity to get your brand to more eyeballs than ever before. The key is being effective in how you get your brand out there.

Point 4. The competition is greater than ever. Instead of worrying about just your paysite competition you now have to worry about all the tubes that offer a product (for free) that may actually be superior to a product you are charging for.

Point 5. Paysites are not the item tube surfers are most likely to buy. We all know that. Tube sites are not surviving on Paysite ad sales or paysite revenues.

Point 6. The success of most paysites will depend on how well they can buy traffic and make money from it. 5 years ago you could do very well relying heavily on affiliates to help you build your business. That is no longer true. To be one of the leaders in the industry, more than ever, you have to be able to acquire and make money from traffic on your own. No more relying on affiliates.

Those are a few points to give you an idea of how i viewed the situation and came up with the idea.

If a surfer lands on Twistys from a tube site the only way I make money from them is if they become a Twistys monthly member. I was completely limiting the amount of money I could make from those surfers. We were able to convert the traffic but nowhere near a level that would allow us to start spending money on ad spots, which translated to me being able to stay in business today but not making any strides to being successful and competitive in the future.

My Idea
I wanted to change our tour to sell multiple Twistys branded products and do our best to try to direct the traffic to the right area right off the bat. You land on the tour and have the options to go in a few directions.

Like our Twistys Videos? Click here to enter our Twistys Videos Section
Like our Models and want to chat with them? Click here for Twistys Cams
Like our Pictures and would like to see more? Click here for a Twistys Pictures section
Want to date one of our Models? Click here for Twistys Dating

The idea is the landing page pushes what the Twistys Brand is about (Beautiful Women) but also expands and gives us a chance to make money on the most popular products that are selling on Tube sites. Cams are selling? We build a sales section of the tour devoted to selling to people that like cams. Penis Pills selling we build a section to sell that.

In each section you then cater to selling that section. Pictures sell very different than Videos. A lot of our members collect pictures. Many of them of one specific model. Why not offer the ability to buy all the sets of that one model, or let them buy one zip to complete their collection. You then do the same for each offering you have.

My thinking was if I spent $10,000 on tube ad spots there was a good chance I would only be able to make $2000 to $5000 in Twistys monthly memberships off that ad. If I could add another $2500 in cams sales, another $1000 in micro option sales, and another $1000 in hot product sales that gets me a lot closer to my initial investment and makes it viable to increase my ad buys.

Here's another thing you can do. A new killer selling site comes out why not capitalize on it? Let's say BangBros launches a new site that is selling gangbusters. Get on board and either sell a banner spot or send via their program. So you have your initial Twistys offerings and below those you push the new hot site. The key is making as much money as possible while growing your brand.

Sorry for the long post. I thought the more ideas background information I included would help someone develop on this

What do you guys think?

your almost there

Caligari · 09-30-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I give you xhamster to run tomorrow. It's making a mil a month. Are you going to pull all the full length clips from it?

Well then...I would shut it down.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1024592
If it wasn't enough about the accusations of stolen content on Xhamster, the other posted proof of illegal videos on that thread should make anyone think twice.

Sadly it does not.

Don't get me wrong, money is a good thing but I definitely have my limits Shap.

Achmed · 09-30-2011, 06:22 PM

You have business models for website that sell grenades?

I have 3000 left overs from last arms convention.

How much to pay affiliates?

Shap · 09-30-2011, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

Well then...I would shut it down.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1024592
If it wasn't enough about the accusations of stolen content on Xhamster, the other posted proof of illegal videos on that thread should make anyone think twice.

Sadly it does not.

Don't get me wrong, money is a good thing but I definitely have my limits Shap.

I understand that. I've had this conversation with those close to me many times. The reality is whatever your beliefs are as to right or wrong nothing will change what others in the industry do. The only thing you can do is push as hard as you possible can without the limits and risks you are willing to take.

Pseudonymous · 09-30-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Here is my thinking. You are charging $25 a month straight up. No other options for a site that updates sometimes twice a week sometimes once a week. Right? Right off the bat that has to be a problem. Twistys was charging $25 a month and updating 2 full scenes and 3 full photosets every single day. If Autumn is a catch and something worth joining then you have to have cheaper options to get them in and wet their appetite. What about a lite version with a few full scenes for a $1? What about selling off the HQ picture zips you talk about?

The tour itself does nothing to enhance and entice the surfer further after your video. The video is amateur and very real feeling and the tour is anything but.

Those are just a few. I'm not at all surprised you haven't seen results but I don't think it's impossible for you to see results with that girl to a paysite of her. I think my idea in particular would work really well with her. If the landing page looked nice but much more amateur and had 3 or 4 images of similar looking girls that are on cams right now you could start making money right there.

Also, I'd make your watermark easier to read.

Yeah i agree with all of those tips for sure, the video and photography was done by my photographer and its what i had to deal with, more amateur video and more professional photography. Luckily i have taken over in that department.

Well i wouldn't say offering a cheaper alternative is an answer for most, i really think a high percentage of customers only signup once, gather all the content and come down after 6-12 months to download all the newest stuff. Atleast thats what i gather from my website and the other owners i speak to. So if you offer a cheap alternative to get their feet wet, you'll end up losing to the people who download everything they can and cancel. Its especially a bad idea for a solo girl website that doesn't offer webcam shows.

Yeah the watermark issue has bugged me for quite some time, though i haven't done anything about it and very much need to do so.

I haven't dabbled in selling zip sets to be honest but i will be doing so in the near future for sure.

I do agree alot of those things will increase revenues and good tips for obtaining more sales from the free traffic. But i really dont think it can make bought traffic worth it, how much would you say it'd cost for a banner or advertisement that would bring 500,000 clicks? do you really think with those tips, you could bring it from 0 sales to 30-100 full priced ($25) sales or however many you need to pay off the cost of the ad placement? If you think so, i'd love to see you get into the solo niche in 2011 and give it a try

you can tinker with a site and maybe improve it 25% but you could only take it so far with improvements like the ones you speak of, especially without the crazy interaction that comes with camshows and going above and beyond.

My reason for posting in this thread wasn't to really discuss how to generate more sales from tube sites, however it is good to speak about and im up for the conversation but my original post was in regards to breaking even with bought traffic from tube sites. And we can come up with great ideas for improvements but if you think you can spend 5k on advertisements on a tube site and get 5k in sales back, unless one of us do so, and i sure am not and you no longer run websites. I beg to differ and sadly there is no way to prove otherwise. I guess i can only say, i disagree. No solo girl i know could do so. And minor tweaking an custom tours isn't enough to bring it over the edge. IMO

I would really like to hear about anyone on GFY who has a smaller business that has paid over 1000 in adspace on a tube site and profited on it. Im not saying its impossible but i'd love to point out the reasons why that may be and why most couldn't.

movieguy · 09-30-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Will those scenes be enough to make a tube with just your content?

Give a lot of flvs, update frequently and you have another tube promoting you.

If you believe in the site so much, why wait for the tools? Make them yourself. Buy a membership with your own affiliate code so you are only paying half. Download the clips, videos, and pictures you think you need and make banners, clips, etc.

If you make it for your needs and your sales goals, it will always perform better and be worth your time. If you're just looking to make a lazy buck, you won't get anywhere.

Caligari · 09-30-2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

We can talk all day about the paysite model. It is same as it was 10 years ago. Same offering, same price, same everything. All that while the web has moved on. No site that was big 10 years ago is still big today without having evolved. If you stand still and do nothing different you can't expect to be the same size tomorrow as you are today.

I don't think the web has moved on just yet.
There are still paysites, and even CRUDE paysites which sell ungodly well and their designs look right out of 1999

Why do they still thrive? Great, unique content that people consistently love week in and week out.

seeric · 09-30-2011, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by movieguy

If you believe in the site so much, why wait for the tools? Make them yourself. Buy a membership with your own affiliate code so you are only paying half. Download the clips, videos, and pictures you think you need and make banners, clips, etc.

If you make it for your needs and your sales goals, it will always perform better and be worth your time. If you're just looking to make a lazy buck, you won't get anywhere.

Good way to get banned from programs.

I don't recommend doing this.

Most programs have approved promo tools only.

Pseudonymous · 09-30-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

My reason for posting in this thread wasn't to really discuss how to generate more sales from tube sites, however it is good to speak about and im up for the conversation but my original post was in regards to breaking even with bought traffic from tube sites. And we can come up with great ideas for improvements but if you think you can spend 5k on advertisements on a tube site and get 5k in sales back, unless one of us do so, and i sure am not and you no longer run websites. I beg to differ and sadly there is no way to prove otherwise. I guess i can only say, i disagree. No solo girl i know could do so. And minor tweaking an custom tours isn't enough to bring it over the edge. IMO

My mouse is dragging sentences and throwing them in the middle of the paragraph so that may be a bit hard to read.

**My reason for posting in this thread wasn't to really discuss how to generate more sales from tube sites, however it is good to speak about and im up for the conversation but my original post was in regards to breaking even with bought traffic from tube sites. And we can come up with great ideas for improvements but if you think you can spend 5k on advertisements on a tube site and get 5k in sales back, then i think youre going to be surprised. No solo girl website i know could. And the custom tours and minor tweaking isn't enough to bring it over the edge, IMO.**

Shap · 09-30-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

My mouse is dragging sentences and throwing them in the middle of the paragraph so that may be a bit hard to read.

**My reason for posting in this thread wasn't to really discuss how to generate more sales from tube sites, however it is good to speak about and im up for the conversation but my original post was in regards to breaking even with bought traffic from tube sites. And we can come up with great ideas for improvements but if you think you can spend 5k on advertisements on a tube site and get 5k in sales back, then i think youre going to be surprised. No solo girl website i know could. And the custom tours and minor tweaking isn't enough to bring it over the edge, IMO.**

If this guy can buy spots on the biggest tubes and make his money back
http://www.stealthattraction.com/?c=123&k=266098

I'm sure there is something you could do to make your money back. If you have the girl willing to do shoots as an example you spend one shoot dedicated to selling something like this, find a way to make it hot and sell the fuck out of it. The key in my idea was to find a way to improve tube traffic roi.

Pseudonymous · 09-30-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

If this guy can buy spots on the biggest tubes and make his money back
http://www.stealthattraction.com/?c=123&k=266098

I'm sure there is something you could do to make your money back. If you have the girl willing to do shoots as an example you spend one shoot dedicated to selling something like this, find a way to make it hot and sell the fuck out of it. The key in my idea was to find a way to improve tube traffic roi.

The reason why that guy can generate profit from tubes is very simple, he is not selling the same thing tube sites offer, videos of hot girls performing in videos. In a previous post of mine, i mentioned that i think alot of people can profit from bought tube traffic, small typical paysites aren't one.

Im too busy to sit here and watch the video and see where hes making his money but its looking like he's capitalizing on men who don't know how to pick up a woman, which is not what solo girl sites or typical paysites are based on. If you are talking about completely changing what we're selling, then yes, i think i might be able to sell more to tubes, but i also would need to change the whole business structure and would no longer have the many sources of sales i currently have, which is plenty. I believe in keeping the website dedicated to videos, photos and other content as it seems to do well for me and other business owners. I dont think including dating section to obtain other markets would really help.

If your post is about increasing your return on tube traffic, great. I just wanted to add my 2 cents for the typical smaller paysite owner that may gather from this thread that bought tube traffic can be profited on with custom tours and minor tweaks. I dont see tube sites that have that amount of traffic selling adspace for cheap enough in order for a small paysite that offers videos/photos and the occasional cam show to profit on

Pseudonymous · 09-30-2011, 07:02 PM

The only time you may profit on bought tube traffic is if the solo model is in her first month. Thats my 2 cents

However thats not to say there isn't other ways to profit on tubes, Robbie mentioned one way. I just dont think paid adspace or uploading videos is the best route.

tgdguy · 09-30-2011, 07:21 PM

There are a few ways to make money from tubes. One is trickery and another is not selling porn. I dont care how much you tweak your porn site unless you make people think they are providing age verification/getting it for free, or getting "questionable" content you are gonna lose money.

19teenporn · 09-30-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

It's funny I gave you the solution to the problem you've been complaining about and you completely ignore it and don't even comment on it. How come? Too much work?

I'm back. I will try with what you said, hopefully they will answer my emails.
I'm not lazy, i know you are a superior being, far superior than me. But i work my ass off every fucking day of my life, so please leave the sarcasm aside...

movieguy · 09-30-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by seeric

Good way to get banned from programs.

I don't recommend doing this.

Most programs have approved promo tools only.

Good point. You can also always ask, but I do realize it's a catch-22 sometimes. there are programs with great products who don't have the time, energy, or flexible mindset to try ideas, and there are dickheads who will let you run with it, make money, and pull your account for the bullshit excuse the promo tools are not sanctioned.

Shap · 09-30-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

I'm back. I will try with what you said, hopefully they will answer my emails.
I'm not lazy, i know you are a superior being, far superior than me. But i work my ass off every fucking day of my life, so please leave the sarcasm aside...

I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I've seen a bunch of posts by you lately complaining a lot. Most people that complain here are people that don't like to do work. Sorry if that's not you.

Btw which part don't you get from program owners?

movieguy · 09-30-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

I just dont think paid adspace or uploading videos is the best route.

There are a lot of programs that would completely disagree with the latter point.

BUT you must have your customer experience pathway laid out from when they watch the video, to clicking the banner, landing on your preview area, and arriving at the join page.

Back at sextube, we tried to work with webmasters to optimize their strategy, yet only 1 out of 100 webmasters would give it a try. Somehow running tubes AND a huge, famous paysite like twistys with extensive experience uploading to tubes, doesn't mean anything.

Even at pornhub, Chris has a hard time getting webmasters to listen to him and that blows my mind because he helps run the biggest tube in the world. If he took time out of his busy day to give you some attention, why the heck wouldn't you hear him out??

Paul Markham · 09-30-2011, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by topsiteking

Note:This is NOT me trying to sell anything.
But,if a models video is on page one with 500,000+ views and you see NO spike in sales...Something is very very wrong.

Yes, the owner of a site with only her videos on is a man thinking what worked yesterday in the past. Will work today and tomorrow.

19teenporn · 09-30-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I've seen a bunch of posts by you lately complaining a lot. Most people that complain here are people that don't like to do work. Sorry if that's not you.

Btw which part don't you get from program owners?

Totalky the opposite dude..

I work my ass off, that's why i complain.

There are some affiliates who really want to work, but sponsors make it really hard.

If i want to start a tube, i need lots of videos to make my tube huge. Sponsors don't give us shit.

I search some other sponsors, find new sensations, a handfull of flvs out of thousands and thousands of scenes.

Keep searching.

Find reality cash. Wow! This guys are great! Signup. Aff area, less than a handfull of flvs for my tubes.

Keep searching.

Found a thread in this forum pondering how great, bright, smart twistys ex owner was and what a great sponsor they are. Signed up. Been weeks, and nothing. My acct. Is not active yet.

Don't give up, keep searching.

Hey, i had a good idea. Let's make a tube about super hyper ultra hot Gianna Michaels. Lots of searches for her and her niche. Let's find flv's for my tubes. But i'm smart, so i will try another sponsor that sure will give me what i need to make us both money.

Let's try, almighty brazzers. Gianna Michaels, 7 scenes. Hmm, i expected more, but it's allright. I like brazzers porn, so i'm gonna use those 7 scenes anyways.
juggcash aff area. Hosted flv. Gianna Michaels. 0 flvs. Wtf?

Meanwhile, these sponsors members areas are being offered in full for free all over the internet.

So yes, i complain a lot. But i complain a lot because i work like a motherfucker and get fucked pissed when the ones who should make everything easier for us and them to make more money, make everything harder instead.

Meanwhile, their complete members areas are being offered in full for free on thousands of warez forums and illegal tubes.

All sponsors can do is promise, make excuses and try to justify themselves with all kinds of excuses. And when they run out of excuses, they start with their sarcasm, again, trying to justify themselves and make an affiliate who wants to work look like an idiot.

Meanwhile, their complete video collections are being offered for free to whoever wants to have it on thousand of sites on the net.

Sponsor, give me a hosted flv for all and everyone of your millions and gazillions of porn scenes and better and bigger porn collections on the net and i will make a lots of fucking huge legal tubes that will give big illegal tubes some competition.

But as you said. You do not own a program so don't worry about it.

Paul Markham · 09-30-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

Here is an idea I had for Twistys. We never had a chance to implement and try it. I don't know if it would work. Feel free to try it and if it works or you want to try and want to bounce ideas off me hit me up

Good post and everyone loves you. Here's a better idea.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18461123&postcount=14

Twistys was a pile of porn stars scenes and little else. It could be a site where the surfer who saw her video for free can see her, learn a bit about her life, who she is, watch her live, phone her, chat online with her. I realise Twistys never had the money to book the girls exclusive Like Wicked, Vivid, etc. But it has the ability to book them in a version of this idea. On a site with 10 or even 20 of the "stars" headlining the site.

Forget about my one example of using new girls, adapt it to the Twistys format. The idea can be used on any format, niche or style of site. It's about who the model is rather than just another video of her. And tough and pointless to pirate.

alias · 09-30-2011, 11:26 PM

The wall of Paul just hit, text skimming mode enabled.

Paul Markham · 09-30-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 19teenporn

There's another thing most of big programs don't realize.
Tubes take most of the traffic because they are really big! Huge!
They have lots of videos!

Now, twitys say they have 46,000+ Videos for their members. Do you guys give your LEGAL TUBE affiliates 46,000+ hosted FLVs so they can create HUGE TUBES, MAKE YOUR BRAND HUGE too and maybe take some traffic from illegal tubes??

Videosz has 59142 scenes for their members. Does videosz give your LEGAL TUBE affiliates 59142 hosted FLVs so they can create HUGE TUBES, MAKE YOUR BRAND HUGE too and maybe take some traffic from illegal tubes??

Bangbros: "Browse through over 9 years of updates. Thousands and thousands of updates. Da Shiz." Do they give their LEGAL TUBE affs thousands and thousands of hosted FLVs so they can create HUGE TUBES, MAKE YOUR BRAND HUGE too and maybe take some traffic from illegal tubes??

Reality Kings: "We have the biggest porn collection on the net" "Our Girls; Over 6000 hotties". Do they give their LEGAL TUBE affs th biggest collection of hosted FLVs on the net so they can create HUGE TUBES, MAKE YOUR BRAND HUGE too and maybe take some traffic from illegal tubes??

Brazzers? Naughty America? Reality Cash? New Sensations? HustlerCash, etc, etc, etc?

It's the same for almost every single sponsor.

They don't do it.

Give us a fucking hosted FLV for each and every one of your scenes, and we will create lots of HUGE LEGAL TUBES wich will take lots of illegal tubes traffic.

But with a handfull of hosted FLVs there's nothing we can do.

I have a better idea. A sponsor opens his own Tube and cuts you out entirely. Then he doesn't pay you, can have full control, gets paid from the sales to webcam and dating sites and sure where the traffic goes. Let's face it anyone like Shap with the vision and skill to create Twistys can do what you do.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2011, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

What is the endgame? Mass production of tube sites that all start looking the same because they are the same because they have the same content which starts boring the shit out of people or...

The idea that content is still king?

Content will always be King. Because content is the only thing that brings surfers we can sell to. The problem is 99.9% of sites don't agree and have medium to crap content. Yes it's shot on HD and in focus. Still crap. And boring.

Then Tubes started hammering in the nails. Why pay for this boring recorded porn when it's free?

Or more importantly, why keep trying to sell it when it's being given away for free?

Been saying this for years and been ridiculed, now Shap says it and everyone thinks it's a great idea. Read the message not the Nick before deciding if it's a great or crap idea.

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Lots of people (including me) have been doing this idea on our non-affiliate tours all along. And yes, it works.

Most solo girl sites failed because there was never enough money to keep the girl working or exclusive. The few that did are exception. Making a Multi Girl version of the solo girl site is the way forward. It can only be done by the big guys and with people behind the operation who understand porn and it's buyers needs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Times are tough for most of the industry but people who know how to sell are still selling and doing well. You figure out how to sell a certain type of traffic and then you acquire as much of that traffic that you possibly can.

A great salesman can sell sand in the Desert, or ice to an Eskimo. Once. After that the repeat sales rely on the customers satisfaction with the product.

Selling a repeat buy product relies 90% on the product. Unless you keep buying a product you don't like.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

We can talk all day about the paysite model. It is same as it was 10 years ago. Same offering, same price, same everything. All that while the web has moved on. No site that was big 10 years ago is still big today without having evolved. If you stand still and do nothing different you can't expect to be the same size tomorrow as you are today.

You've got my song sheet there?

19teenporn · 10-01-2011, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I have a better idea. A sponsor opens his own Tube and cuts you out entirely. Then he doesn't pay you, can have full control, gets paid from the sales to webcam and dating sites and sure where the traffic goes. Let's face it anyone like Shap with the vision and skill to create Twistys can do what you do.

I don't give a fuck about your ideas.

Just please don't replies to my posts. I don't want to read you.

Thanks in advance.

AJHall · 10-01-2011, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pseudonymous

Yeah i agree with all of those tips for sure, the video and photography was done by my photographer and its what i had to deal with, more amateur video and more professional photography. Luckily i have taken over in that department.

Well i wouldn't say offering a cheaper alternative is an answer for most, i really think a high percentage of customers only signup once, gather all the content and come down after 6-12 months to download all the newest stuff. Atleast thats what i gather from my website and the other owners i speak to. So if you offer a cheap alternative to get their feet wet, you'll end up losing to the people who download everything they can and cancel. Its especially a bad idea for a solo girl website that doesn't offer webcam shows.

Yeah the watermark issue has bugged me for quite some time, though i haven't done anything about it and very much need to do so.

I haven't dabbled in selling zip sets to be honest but i will be doing so in the near future for sure.

I do agree alot of those things will increase revenues and good tips for obtaining more sales from the free traffic. But i really dont think it can make bought traffic worth it, how much would you say it'd cost for a banner or advertisement that would bring 500,000 clicks? do you really think with those tips, you could bring it from 0 sales to 30-100 full priced ($25) sales or however many you need to pay off the cost of the ad placement? If you think so, i'd love to see you get into the solo niche in 2011 and give it a try

you can tinker with a site and maybe improve it 25% but you could only take it so far with improvements like the ones you speak of, especially without the crazy interaction that comes with camshows and going above and beyond.

My reason for posting in this thread wasn't to really discuss how to generate more sales from tube sites, however it is good to speak about and im up for the conversation but my original post was in regards to breaking even with bought traffic from tube sites. And we can come up with great ideas for improvements but if you think you can spend 5k on advertisements on a tube site and get 5k in sales back, unless one of us do so, and i sure am not and you no longer run websites. I beg to differ and sadly there is no way to prove otherwise. I guess i can only say, i disagree. No solo girl i know could do so. And minor tweaking an custom tours isn't enough to bring it over the edge. IMO

I would really like to hear about anyone on GFY who has a smaller business that has paid over 1000 in adspace on a tube site and profited on it. Im not saying its impossible but i'd love to point out the reasons why that may be and why most couldn't.

Cheaper pricing can work wonders. If the trend is for members to join, cancel and then come back 6-12 months later, they're not being given enough incentive to stick around. Something needs to change so that the only way for a member to see large amounts of new content is to stay an active member of the site.

Time release of content in conjunction with automated content rotation cycles AND updates by date can be helpful for smaller sites. Many times this enables even a very small site to benefit from offering low priced trials. With hot content and the right hook this strategy can convert to full price memberships quite well.

As far as bought traffic being worth it, in order for it to be worth it you'd need to already have a site that's converting that type of traffic at a decent rate. You're right, in today's market, profiting from a costly tube advertising campaign that's promoting a solo site without cams and heavy interaction would be a very big challenge.

Pseudonymous · 10-01-2011, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by movieguy

There are a lot of programs that would completely disagree with the latter point.

BUT you must have your customer experience pathway laid out from when they watch the video, to clicking the banner, landing on your preview area, and arriving at the join page.

Back at sextube, we tried to work with webmasters to optimize their strategy, yet only 1 out of 100 webmasters would give it a try. Somehow running tubes AND a huge, famous paysite like twistys with extensive experience uploading to tubes, doesn't mean anything.

Even at pornhub, Chris has a hard time getting webmasters to listen to him and that blows my mind because he helps run the biggest tube in the world. If he took time out of his busy day to give you some attention, why the heck wouldn't you hear him out??

I didn't say you can't make money on it, i said its very much possible, but do i think the typical paysite can, no and tinkering isn't enough for those paysites, those people who would disagree probably run very large networks or a very large website. I dont think advertising on tubes is the best option for small-medium sized paysites is all im saying

Theres a reason more dont give it a try, it doesn't make very much sense. I was weary before i did it, i tested it , as have many other webmasters i speak to and none of them have continued to do so.

While i do think webmasters don't jump onboard with new ideas as most are stuck in their ways, however this is definitely not one most are missing out on.

Feel free to contact me and give me a free test, or something along those lines. Ill be happy to do anything you wish to try to profit on tube traffic and ill post the results.

And as far as you throwing out his reputation with what he has grown, while im not knocking at what hes created, i believe alot of people on gfy underestimate when a product was launched. Do i believe the majority of people who have built their empires could if they started over from scratch in 2011, i sure do not. I think most of them are pretty intelligent and work hard but there are alot of very intelligent people who cannot grow networks like twistys these days because times have changed. The internet was very accepting to hard working people with ideas, gallery submitters were retiring at 25-30 years old. I could go on. If you think reputations or what you've done is going to make me listen to what they've got to say, then show me what you've really done besides adapt.

I know alot of people who I wouldn't consider very intelligent people who have became very successful because of the time they got into the industry and because they actually kept working on it through the times. Instead of sitting on their hands. This industry attracts alot of unmotivated, just plain lazy individuals who are looking to make an easy buck, its always been like that and while alot of people still failed in 1999-2004, the ones who succeeded aren't exactly people that should be looked at like they've got any more ability than the typical webmaster who is semi successful in 2011.

For example, i think Shap is a very intelligent guy, do i think he could recreate twistys or even something close to that magnitude with no budget right now? I dont believe so. And thats even with the reputation and connections he's already made by making it to where he is now.

Edit-- Really hope this post doesn't look like a knock on Shap, i simply used him as an example of why i think what a person owns who what theyve created doesn't always reflect their knowledge and ability.

Pseudonymous · 10-01-2011, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJHall

Cheaper pricing can work wonders. If the trend is for members to join, cancel and then come back 6-12 months later, they're not being given enough incentive to stick around. Something needs to change so that the only way for a member to see large amounts of new content is to stay an active member of the site.

Time release of content in conjunction with automated content rotation cycles AND updates by date can be helpful for smaller sites. Many times this enables even a very small site to benefit from offering low priced trials. With hot content and the right hook this strategy can convert to full price memberships quite well.

As far as bought traffic being worth it, in order for it to be worth it you'd need to already have a site that's converting that type of traffic at a decent rate. You're right, in today's market, profiting from a costly tube advertising campaign that's promoting a solo site without cams and heavy interaction would be a very big challenge.

I dont think you guys understand the workings of a smaller-medium sized paysite. they are not being given enough incentive to stick around? Of course not. Content is being given away for free all across the web. Sites like pornhub give away just about anything you can ask for, nevermind filelockers. If we were to give away as much as members wanted to stick around each month, we would be producing a ton more content and that would cost more money to produce than what the extra product is bringing in.

Maybe not all are cancelling and signing up 6 months later but its a large enough percent to where you'd really feel the hurt when those people are signing up for a cheap trial or something along those lines.

I dont recommend trials or cheap memberships on any solo girl website, let that be known. I am sure many have tested cheaper pricing and i haven't seen that stick on any website in my niche.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2011, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19teenporn

i don't give a fuck about your ideas.

Just please don't replies to my posts. I don't want to read you.

Thanks in advance.

:321gfy :321gfy :321gfy :321gfy

Mutt · 10-01-2011, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

we sell memberships to claudiamarie.com with one click off of streamate.

how can you do a one click upsell from streamate to your own paysite? you must be talking about something else because a true one click upsell from one company to another is against VISA's rules. show me how this one click upsell works please.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2011, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJHall

Cheaper pricing can work wonders. If the trend is for members to join, cancel and then come back 6-12 months later, they're not being given enough incentive to stick around. Something needs to change so that the only way for a member to see large amounts of new content is to stay an active member of the site.

Time release of content in conjunction with automated content rotation cycles AND updates by date can be helpful for smaller sites. Many times this enables even a very small site to benefit from offering low priced trials. With hot content and the right hook this strategy can convert to full price memberships quite well.

As far as bought traffic being worth it, in order for it to be worth it you'd need to already have a site that's converting that type of traffic at a decent rate. You're right, in today's market, profiting from a costly tube advertising campaign that's promoting a solo site without cams and heavy interaction would be a very big challenge.

Still thinking in the box of just recorded scenes.

plsureking · 10-01-2011, 01:00 AM

great post. nice to see you sharing some ideas to help the industry now that you are a free man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

Point 6. The success of most paysites will depend on how well they can buy traffic and make money from it. 5 years ago you could do very well relying heavily on affiliates to help you build your business. That is no longer true. To be one of the leaders in the industry, more than ever, you have to be able to acquire and make money from traffic on your own. No more relying on affiliates.

this is THE most important change that happened in the last 24-36 months. the affiliate model is dead, unless those affiliates can make money buying traffic and sending it to the paysite (at their 40-70% share).

there's no point providing affiliates with promo tools. they just need site links. the free content model no longer brings in sales for paysites. traffic has to be bought from non-tube sources at an acceptable profit margin.

Makaveli · 10-01-2011, 01:02 AM

Hey Shap take the money you sold out with and fuck off.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2011, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

It's a rough idea and I wrote it catered specifically to Twistys. It can be modified to any size imo.

Like my idea.

The question I will put to you is the same one I get thrown at me all the time.

So why didn't you do it when you had a chance to?"

You only had paysites to concern yourself with, was in the position of having girls you could promote and sell as people or any way you call it this is the basis of your ideas.

So why did you keep just adding recorded porn to Twistys and not try to sell the girls themselves of the Tube traffic.

YOU'VE SEEN Kayden Kross VIDEOS, NOW MEET HER IN PERSON, LIVE AND FOR REAL ONLINE. AND IF YOU WANT TO CHAT WITH HER.

You were in an excellent position to do this. Some of the girls you obviously feature a lot. I assume they're members favorites. So why didn't you step up to the next level?

Not having a go at you, asking what were the problems doing this. Because it's been something I've been saying for a while now. Would like to know the problems in doing it.

Mutt · 10-01-2011, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Like my idea.

The question I will put to you is the same one I get thrown at me all the time.

So why didn't you do it when you had a chance to?"

You only had paysites to concern yourself with, was in the position of having girls you could promote and sell as people or any way you call it this is the basis of your ideas.

So why did you keep just adding recorded porn to Twistys and not try to sell the girls themselves of the Tube traffic.

YOU'VE SEEN Kayden Kross VIDEOS, NOW MEET HER IN PERSON, LIVE AND FOR REAL ONLINE. AND IF YOU WANT TO CHAT WITH HER.

You were in an excellent position to do this. Some of the girls you obviously feature a lot. I assume they're members favorites. So why didn't you step up to the next level?

Not having a go at you, asking what were the problems doing this. Because it's been something I've been saying for a while now. Would like to know the problems in doing it.

Again you don't know what you're talking about Paul. Shap didn't just have paysites to concern himself with - he owned large free sites like Sextube and Thumbzilla amongst others.

And Twistys did add live pornstar interactive cam shows. I'm sure if he had kept Twistys he would have done more live cam stuff but realize that a glamour model or pornstar would cost about 500 dollars for hanging out with Twistys members for a few hours, so add 15K a month.

NaughtyAmerica tried the live interactive thing on as big a scale as anybody has in the industry. They were practically runnning their own cable channel with shows featuring live porn chicks all day. It's gone now - just too expensive.

Now what if Naughty America, Bangbros, Brazzers, RK, Pimproll, got together and shared the costs to provide their members live access to porn stars on cam - it would work.

Cams are far from the cure for falling sales for paysites. The problem is piracy and the economy. Shap and other paysite owners have accepted this, you keep insisting that it's the quality of the content that is a big reason for falling paysite sales, you're wrong but content is the only part of the biz you have a lot of experience in so you continue to beat that dead horse. Web surfers get great value and content these days on these paysite networks. So if a big % of surfers have decided they won't pay for porn no matter how good that porn is people like Shap are trying to use their content to draw them in and sell them something else, cams, dating, penis crap etc or sell off the traffic/advertising to people who can turn a profit on it, from what i've seen mostly snake oil and scams, or people desperate for traffic. If I could total the cost of traffic sold to desperate or newb webmasters it would be in the billions.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2011, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

And Twistys did add live pornstar interactive cam shows. I'm sure if he had kept Twistys he would have done more live cam stuff but realize that a glamour model or pornstar would cost about 500 dollars for hanging out with Twistys members for a few hours, so add 15K a month.

NaughtyAmerica tried the live interactive thing on as big a scale as anybody has in the industry. They were practically runnning their own cable channel with shows featuring live porn chicks all day. It's gone now - just too expensive.

Another way of saying "it couldn't be afforded.".

Now go tell Shap it's been tried and too expensive.

I was under the impression these sites were all making millions.

Well I wasn't. I knew how much they were making and had to spend on the members areas. So did you, trying to sell solo girl scenes for peanuts.

Today you're dead right, piracy and the amount of free in a recession is killing the business. When the recession ends, the free won't. There will be no turn around for the industry.

Yes maybe it was too expensive for one site and I've said it could work as a plug in for many. Maybe Brazzers can step up. Staying selling recorded porn won't do anything but take joins others had, destroying some of them to convert a few. When there is no more extra traffic to add to their traffic stream, the big guys will suffer.

Here's the real problem.

Quote:

If I could total the cost of traffic sold to desperate or newb webmasters it would be in the billions.

The cost of traffic from day 1 has been too much. Paying the amount we did and letting affiliates steer the ship was like putting a moron in charge of the Titanic. Only time before the iceberg appeared. Today it's still full speed ahead for online porn.

Mutt do you have a better idea?

plsureking · 10-01-2011, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by movieguy

If you believe in the site so much, why wait for the tools? Make them yourself. Buy a membership with your own affiliate code so you are only paying half. Download the clips, videos, and pictures you think you need and make banners, clips, etc.

back when i was doing a lot of affiliate work (cuz money was growing on trees) i ALWAYS bought a membership to any site i promoted. why else would you promote it? because they have a nice tour and banners? unless you know first-hand it is good, how can you recommend it to your traffic?

of course the porn business had a lot more standards and values pre-2005..

Frosty · 10-01-2011, 04:20 AM

Most important thing would be the security of the site. You definitely wouldn't want users to download your videos, so you'd enable streaming via some media server similar to Wowza, so they can't sniff HTTP packets and get the direct download link. Regarding the pictures, you should have some script that would in the process of rar'ing the pic set for the download inject username of the user who requested the download in the each pic's Metadata info - so you'd know who leaked them. Metadata can be changed, but no one actually looks at it, most of the time anyway.

Users should be able to upgrade their account for $20 that would give them the chance of getting 2 DVD's monthly per their choice shipped for free. I'm not sure about the price though, but streaming is a prefered option for most surfers.

Now this obviously isn't implemented anywhere, otherwise I wouldn't be writing it here. But I'll most likely make a paysite like that in my country, as there are literally no paysites at all.

1.There should be no interaction between users and the actresses.
2. If you're planning to make the site locally, block all other IP ranges - and display an error message.
3. If it's worldwide, block all smaller countries known for fraud.
4. Let users whitelist a country for their account.

I'm not sure if all of this would work, but yeah that's what I'd try to do.

Shap · 10-01-2011, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

how can you do a one click upsell from streamate to your own paysite? you must be talking about something else because a true one click upsell from one company to another is against VISA's rules. show me how this one click upsell works please.

Definitely can be done with the 3rd party guys email me I'll explain

Shap · 10-01-2011, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 19teenporn

Totalky the opposite dude..

I work my ass off, that's why i complain.

There are some affiliates who really want to work, but sponsors make it really hard.

If i want to start a tube, i need lots of videos to make my tube huge. Sponsors don't give us shit.

I search some other sponsors, find new sensations, a handfull of flvs out of thousands and thousands of scenes.

Keep searching.

Find reality cash. Wow! This guys are great! Signup. Aff area, less than a handfull of flvs for my tubes.

Keep searching.

Found a thread in this forum pondering how great, bright, smart twistys ex owner was and what a great sponsor they are. Signed up. Been weeks, and nothing. My acct. Is not active yet.

Don't give up, keep searching.

Hey, i had a good idea. Let's make a tube about super hyper ultra hot Gianna Michaels. Lots of searches for her and her niche. Let's find flv's for my tubes. But i'm smart, so i will try another sponsor that sure will give me what i need to make us both money.

Let's try, almighty brazzers. Gianna Michaels, 7 scenes. Hmm, i expected more, but it's allright. I like brazzers porn, so i'm gonna use those 7 scenes anyways.
juggcash aff area. Hosted flv. Gianna Michaels. 0 flvs. Wtf?

Meanwhile, these sponsors members areas are being offered in full for free all over the internet.

So yes, i complain a lot. But i complain a lot because i work like a motherfucker and get fucked pissed when the ones who should make everything easier for us and them to make more money, make everything harder instead.

Meanwhile, their complete members areas are being offered in full for free on thousands of warez forums and illegal tubes.

All sponsors can do is promise, make excuses and try to justify themselves with all kinds of excuses. And when they run out of excuses, they start with their sarcasm, again, trying to justify themselves and make an affiliate who wants to work look like an idiot.

Meanwhile, their complete video collections are being offered for free to whoever wants to have it on thousand of sites on the net.

Sponsor, give me a hosted flv for all and everyone of your millions and gazillions of porn scenes and better and bigger porn collections on the net and i will make a lots of fucking huge legal tubes that will give big illegal tubes some competition.

But as you said. You do not own a program so don't worry about it.

Feel free to email me anytime. Maybe i can give you some feedback on how you are approaching things that can help you out. I've been where you are and know what it's like.

It's not as cut and dry as you think as a program owner with your shit everywhere. Many times it's extremely overwhelming. Most programs are a lot smaller than you think and have much less staff (and probably very few capable staff) than they would need to execute what they'd ideally want to execute. Fighting piracy is a bitch i know with Twistys I could have hired 10 people that do nothing but fight it all day every day and there would still have been site rips up. That said it doesn't justify me giving an affiliate full scenes just because a pirate site has it and it also doesn't mean I have the time to prepare 1000s of flvs for an affiliate because they want it. It's really complicated but it boils down to resources available and how to make the most of those resources.

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alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	The wall of Paul just hit, text skimming mode enabled. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

10-01-2011, 04:20 AM	#98
Frosty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 130	Most important thing would be the security of the site. You definitely wouldn't want users to download your videos, so you'd enable streaming via some media server similar to Wowza, so they can't sniff HTTP packets and get the direct download link. Regarding the pictures, you should have some script that would in the process of rar'ing the pic set for the download inject username of the user who requested the download in the each pic's Metadata info - so you'd know who leaked them. Metadata can be changed, but no one actually looks at it, most of the time anyway. Users should be able to upgrade their account for $20 that would give them the chance of getting 2 DVD's monthly per their choice shipped for free. I'm not sure about the price though, but streaming is a prefered option for most surfers. Now this obviously isn't implemented anywhere, otherwise I wouldn't be writing it here. But I'll most likely make a paysite like that in my country, as there are literally no paysites at all. 1.There should be no interaction between users and the actresses. 2. If you're planning to make the site locally, block all other IP ranges - and display an error message. 3. If it's worldwide, block all smaller countries known for fraud. 4. Let users whitelist a country for their account. I'm not sure if all of this would work, but yeah that's what I'd try to do. __________________ suicidalmedia at gmail dot com

09-30-2011, 07:21 PM	#74
tgdguy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 129	There are a few ways to make money from tubes. One is trickery and another is not selling porn. I dont care how much you tweak your porn site unless you make people think they are providing age verification/getting it for free, or getting "questionable" content you are gonna lose money.

10-01-2011, 01:02 AM	#93
Makaveli Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,027	Hey Shap take the money you sold out with and fuck off.