2intense

Hydroxycut ia #1

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Choopa Phil

Not different, not sure why it was scheduled either in Canada.

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Choopa Phil

hydroxycut is crap compared to other stuff that is out. Oxyelite pro, Musclepharm Shred Matrix, Lipo 6 all are much better. Or go tried and true ECA stack...

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Frank21

Alive multi vitamins after american health vitamins were banned by the european union dictatorship.
And some whey shakes cause they taste so good.

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RazorSharpe

Is this your standard response whenever you want other people to do the leg work for you? Do a few google searches and you'll have all the answers you need. Don't get me wrong, now all supplements are created equal but a lot of them have rightful places on the shelves of anyone serious about being healthy.

Admittedly, I shouldn't really use gaspari superpump or scivation extend but they do give me a boost in the gym.

As for whey protein, I don't think I really want to take in 240 grams of protein in chicken and eggs (I hate fish) so the whey protein is a great substitute.

Funnily, a Dutch research, published in the Journal of Physiology, found that carnintine ( a compound found in red meat) helps to burn fat stores AND plays an important part in increasing muscle mass.

Now, I don't eat a lot of red meat so something like l-carnitine would be a GREAT supplement for me. Everything has a purpose and just because you don't want to believe that, doesn't make the rest of society wrong.

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2intense

i am talking about a trusted brand...........

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RazorSharpe

Hydroxycut health risks

ECA stacks are illegal in some countries due to it containing ephedrine.

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2intense

is a product for healthy people,not for already sick people

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Choopa Phil

Anything made by musclepharm is NFS certified and tested. ECA is a stack you make yourself, and Oxyelite (new formula) is also NFS Certified. I get all my stuff in raw form and make my own stacks. Premade "proprietary blends" are for the birds.

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PR_Glen

why the hell are you eating 240 grams of protein a day? I was taking less than half that in a day and I was stronger than most people in this thread.. (i'm still pretty strong, just not big on the power lifting thing anymore.)

If most of your vitamins and proteins are coming from pills and powders than your kidney's and liver are taking a pounding. Stop it now.. those things aren't easily replaceable...

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RazorSharpe

Dude, the company voluntarily recalled 14 of it's products. A known brand name does not mean safe supplements.

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Choopa Phil

Glen...remember a while back when me and you had gone back and forth about how much protein powder i was intaking? Well long story short...blood work was all coming back fine, but my GI tract was MESSED UP, i couldnt eat, i was constantly force feeding just to get in nutrients. I will NEVER ingest protein in powder form EVER again. Whole foods or go home.

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RazorSharpe

LOL - what gave you the impression I got my protein and vitamins from pills and powders? I consume about 1900 cals on training days and about 1650 cals on non training days, split respectively like so: (240 was just an arbitrary number i threw out there)

Protein: 220 grams
Carbs: 140 grams
Fat: 52 grams

Non-training days:
Protein: 185 grams
Carbs: 115 grams
Fat: 50 grams

I have 6 meals on training days which consists of 2 protein shakes for a total of about 60 grams of protein. On non training days, it is a single shake which accounts for 30 grams of protein.

I make up the rest of my carbs, proteins and fats with nuts, salad veggies, chicken, eggs, oats, sweet potato and am going to try for the first time quinoa.

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edgeprod

On the Joe Rogan Experience? I caught a few of those on a road trip. Enjoyable stuff. Did you hear the one where they opened the show talking about not fucking the powder as opposed to ingesting it? LOL.


Thanks, I've been looking into muscle egg, and you just gave me an excuse to look deeper.


Thank you again. I'm keto about 70% of the time when I'm not bulking, and these are worth checking out.


They just sent me samples of OxyE ... I was thinking of popping them open and seeing what happens. Last time I did ECA, this happened:



But then, I was very underweight for the fight, and THIS happened (LOL):

Choopa Phil

If it makes you feel better i have literally 8 gallons of chocolate egg whites in my fridge. They give me ZERO issues whatsoever and taste identical to yohoo. Best thing is you can cook with them too. Chocolate egg white pancakes FTW.

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Alpha Men Multi Vitamin
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All from myprotein.com

Choopa Phil

Edge, youll like the oxyE ive recommended it to a few people and theyve lost about 10-12 lbs in 3 weeks so far with proper diet/training protocol in place

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Dirty F

What? No article that shows you need extra vitamins? I wonder why.

Listen this not something i want to believe. This is a fact and any dr will confirm this. Extra viramins does nothing for you. I have no reason to make this up.
You seem very upset though? Let me guess, you spend shitloads on vitamins?

Dirty F

Btw why fo you cry about proteins and what not while i'm talking about vitamins? Are you a bit slow?

Choopa Phil

Dirty, with a proper balance you should be able to get all your vitamins and minerals, however the only way to tell if you are deficient in any of these areas is with a blood test. Every one is different, but you are correct in saying you piss most of it out if your diet is balanced...that is why they are SUPPLEMENTS ;)

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RazorSharpe

I'm hardly upset, I spend the bare minimum on vitamins to be honest, I do spend on protein though but that is MY choice. I'm not asking you or forcing you to believe me or anyone else for that matter; you are free to believe what you want. You on the other hand seem to think whatever you say is gospel and while that does not upset me, it does sadden me .. it saddens me to know you think so highly of your opinions.

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RazorSharpe

I think he's not sure what the word "supplement" means ...

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edgeprod

Cool, I'll crack the bottle and give 'em a shot next time I'm cutting. I'm 235 right now, next fight is 205, so I should trim about 15-20 "real" lbs before I do my 2-day water cut to make 205.

2intense

wrong.............

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Dirty F

Once again this has nothing to do with an opinion you fucking simpleton. Dumbass. And stop fucking crying about protein. Once again im not talking about protein. Idiot.

Dirty F

I think you're an idiot. Still waiting for you to prove me wrong btw. What are you waiting for exactly?

RazorSharpe

And you thought I was upset? Listen to yourself!! Are you still pissed that harvey made you buy a plugin you couldn't figure out how to use? Great a grip man!!

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RazorSharpe

Prove you wrong about what? There are so very many things wrong with you that I wouldn't know where to start.

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Dirty F

I'm still waiting, loser.

Choopa Phil

lets just post pics of whoever is on more than 5 different supplements, lets see how they are working out for ya

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RazorSharpe
This message is hidden because RazorSharpe is on your ignore list.

On ignore you go, together with all the other losers

Now go cry some more about proteins

2intense

change your sig please

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Slappin Fish

Is there a way of checking the state of one's GI tract or did you go by feeling?

ZeroHero

ouuuch!

Dirty F

Ok, hold on.

RazorSharpe

Thank fuck! At least he won't read me saying what a whiny little fucktard he comes across as.

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edgeprod

I'll go. I have a "fighter's body," meaning no extraneous bodybuilding muscle, just strength, speed, power.

edgeprod

Hurts less than you might imagine, except to your pride.

2intense

holy shit ! put back your old sig please.

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Choopa Phil

By feeling, I was force feeding myself for the past 8 months or so, dropped the whey and it went away. AWESOME calves Edge!

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edgeprod

Thank you, sir. Not bad for never doing a single calf exercise besides functional training (i.e., boxing, grappling, etc on training days).

ZeroHero

i think i can imagine , but it looks like ouuuch

TheSquealer

I will check it out. Thanks. If i can find it somewhere, i can get some samples. I'm like a cat.. I start getting pretty finicky for no real reason and want to try different things.


ABOUT VITAMINS AND SUPPLEMENTS

Attacking people that take vitamins and supplements is very childish and ignorant.

The supplement industry is full of bullshit because the world is full of idiots looking for shortcuts as someone noted already. Supplements are monstrously profitable and repeat sales good. I say this as someone who owns a gym and sells our own supplement line.

Those facts however have nothing to do with basic biochemistry and your bodies requirements and whether or not they are being met through diet and that overall, most vitamin/mineral supplements are legitimate and beneficial... where usually its only the claims that are dubious.

Regarding the silly hippy pseudoscience, hype, myth and fiction and "i eat like this, so i'm good" crowd...

All you have to do is look up the nutritional value of any fruit, vegetable, meat and cross reference to what the government's recommended daily allowance is - and it only takes a few minutes of doing that to understand that its not easy at all to meet your daily requirements from food without being extremely diligent. Also, the RDA of vitamins and minerals is quite low almost across the board and there are substantial health benefits to much much higher quantities of many - i.e. essential fatty acids, b complex, c, d3 and so on.

Vitamins and minerals regulate almost every process and function in your body, mostly on a cellular level. Being deficient in anything whether you are aware of it or not, feel good or not, are getting sick often or not does not mean there aren't serious consequences at some point and that you won't one day answer to the cumulative effect of those deficiencies over a long period of time. It's not something to take lightly. Everyone is a cocky and arrogant about it ONLY because we all aren't still having these conversations when the guys who know it all and criticize everything are being spoon fed and having their diapers changed as they slowly die from Alzheimer's or any number of diseases, often preventable by good nutrition and exercise.

Another fact that people seem to ignore is that when people are working out, you have the additional demand/depletion and it goes from a matter of preference of taking vitamin/mineral/amino acid supplements to a matter of necessity and an impossibility to get everything you need to build/repair/recover from food and also control your caloric intake/not go broke at the same time.

Of course you can live being deficient in many different vitamins and minerals and your health will largely be determined by your genetics (assuming you do everything else right). Vitamin and mineral supplements are to "make sure"

Not a guess. Not a theory. Not a hypothesis.. just simple facts of human biochemistry, a bodies requirements and common food values.

A grill full of garden fresh vegetables looks nice and colorful. However, it doesn't mean you are getting everything you need in the day, week, month, year - and it should also be noted that cooking vegetables in such a manner often destroys a significant portion or their vitamin/mineral content.

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Dirty F

You've got sexy calfs. I'd like to feel them.

edgeprod

Not as much as I'd LIKE you to feel them.

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I know I should take more vitamins.....

pimpmaster9000

some vitamins and minerals dissolve in water and some in fat...now the problem is when you are a real athlete and train 2x/day you get to lose a lot of water and not keep a lot of fat (athletes are inherently lean)

it is practically impossible to get the optimum amount of nutrients AND vitamins AND minerals when all you are doing all day is losing water and you have critically low fat % levels...

in normal people (fat shits with no condition) I would have to agree with you, you are right, they do not need vitamins or minerals or anything...but In anybody who is looking to train regularly and perform regularly they would be stupid not to take a multi vitamin multi mineral supplement...

RazorSharpe

You come to expect this from certain people on this forum. If they don't do it or don't know anything about it, it is automatically wrong in their books.

Regarding the rest of your post, a whole lot of truth contained in it.

If you're going to try the Scitvation whey, I'd recommend the chocolate flavour mate, the vanilla wasn't my cup of tea (or shaker of protein as the case may be).

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