Police Tackle, Pepper Spray Black Man Attempting To Charge Electric Car

[2MuchMark]

Police Tackle, Pepper Spray Black Man Attempting To Charge Electric Car

Police Tackle, Pepper Spray Man Attempting To Charge Electric Car | Cop Block

[blackmonsters]

Typical LA area stuff, and they wonder why their cities get burned down every couple of decades.

[JFK]

Ham fisted approach

[Tom_PM]

"Santa Monica police have defended officers actions saying they ?acted within policy? because Palmer ?resisted arrest.?"

What a surprise. The police policy includes throwing a man down to the concrete and pepper spraying him when he asks why they want to see his ID. And asking the cops for the reason why they want to see an ID is resisting arrest. It all fits.


What are the apologists going to say? He shouldn't have ....... what? Stood there? Asserted his rights, granted by the constitution? Asked a question? Looked at them funny? What shouldn't he have done?

[12clicks]

it wasn't because he was black, it was because he was green.

[beerptrol]

Yep! They should do that to anyone with an electric car!

[marcop]

Originally Posted by Tom_PM

"Santa Monica police have defended officers actions saying they ?acted within policy? because Palmer ?resisted arrest.?

The SMPD have a rep for being a little over-zealous. Though they did get to my house in about three minutes when a crazy, homeless guy off his meds tried to break in.

[VikingMan]

If you have ever been to Santa Monica you know that there are hardly any black people. You would think that LA which is a generally liberal city would be friendly to black people but white people are often very racist toward blacks. You hear the N word all the time.

I hope that guy gets a huge settlement. A BLACK MAN with an electric car????? Oh the horror.

[dyna mo]

the park closes at 11 and this tard shows up at 10:57 to charge up.

[TheSquealer]

So once again, the problem is due to the fact that the person was non compliant with the officers and it escalated Due to his own behavior.

Has nothing to do with charging a car.

All you have to do is say "yes sir" and "no sir" and give hem what they ask like normal people do who NEVER find themselves getting in trouble EVER do.... and as you are required to by law It's not that tough for a sane person to comprehend.

[Socks]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

So once again, the problem is due to the fact that the person was non compliant with the officers and it escalated Due to his own behavior.

Has nothing to do with charging a car.

All you have to do is say "yes sir" and "no sir" and give hem what they ask like normal people do who NEVER find themselves getting in trouble EVER do.... and as you are required to by law It's not that tough for a sane person to comprehend.

Yeah, as evidenced by the long list of charges they levelled against him for his behaviour...

oh wait... no charges...

[L-Pink]

There is always more to every story and leaving out facts sure helps stir shit up …... The park closes at 11:00 and showing up just before to start a charging process is ridiculous and instead of leaving as requested he makes a stink then refuses to provide ID, etc …..


"A Pico neighborhood man who was arrested at Virginia Avenue Park during the late evening of April 21, for allegedly violating the City’s park closure ordinance and delaying and obstructing officers in the performance of their duties, will not be charged.

According to the Santa Monica Police Department, officers were conducting a check at Virginia Avenue Park at the corner of Pico and Cloverfield on that night when they came across a man later identified as Justin Palmer, whose vehicle was parked at the charging station.

The SMPD said officers told Palmer that the park closed at 11 pm and that the electric vehicle charging station was closed as clearly posted.

“The subject repeatedly refused to leave the park and after numerous requests, officers made the decision to issue him a citation for violating the city’s park closure law,” according to the SMPD. “When officers requested to see his identification, he repeatedly refused to provide it. The subject was placed under arrest for violation of the municipal park closure ordinance and delaying and obstructing an officer in the course of his duties. During the arrest, the subject actively resisted. Officers deployed pepper spray and physically restrained him.”



Pico Neighborhood Man Will Not Be Charged After Arrest In Virginia Avenue Park | Santa Monica Mirror


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[TheSquealer]

MarkPrimce and those like him don't care about facts, they only care about their agendas.

[dyna mo]

SMPD should bill that guy for the cost of arresting him, including the pepper spray used.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

MarkPrimce and those like him don't care about facts, they only care about their agendas.

OP continually refers to "Idiots" who believe biased news shows like FOX then he quotes a slanted report from an anti-police blog. A report that left most pertinent information from local newspapers out.

Nice work Mark.

“The subject repeatedly refused to leave the park and after numerous requests, officers made the decision to issue him a citation for violating the city’s park closure law,” according to the SMPD. “When officers requested to see his identification, he repeatedly refused to provide it. The subject was placed under arrest for violation of the municipal park closure ordinance and delaying and obstructing an officer in the course of his duties. During the arrest, the subject actively resisted. Officers deployed pepper spray and physically restrained him.”


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[CDSmith]

It wasn't the po-po, his false sense of entitlement was his enemy.


/schwarzenegger voice.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

OP continually refers to "Idiots" who believe biased news shows like FOX then he quotes a slanted report from an anti-police blog. A report that left most pertinent information from local newspapers out.

Nice work Mark.

?The subject repeatedly refused to leave the park and after numerous requests, officers made the decision to issue him a citation for violating the city?s park closure law,? according to the SMPD. ?When officers requested to see his identification, he repeatedly refused to provide it. The subject was placed under arrest for violation of the municipal park closure ordinance and delaying and obstructing an officer in the course of his duties. During the arrest, the subject actively resisted. Officers deployed pepper spray and physically restrained him.?


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the libtard knee-jerk retort to this sensible point is that the park hadn't yet closed. The thing is though this guy had gone to the park when it was about to close to take advantage of the FREE charging illegally after hours. The SMPD knew that. this guy wasn't enjoying the park up until the closing time, he was abusing his privileged access to that park's FREE charging station.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

It wasn't the po-po, his false sense of entitlement was his enemy.


/schwarzenegger voice.

my favorite Canadian!

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the park closes at 11 and this tard shows up at 10:57 to charge up.

dynahoOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

dynahoOOOOOOOO!!!!!

dyna moOOOOOOOO fannnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!

[arock10]

He should've just ran

[marcop]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

There is always more to every story and leaving out facts sure helps stir shit up


"A Pico neighborhood man who was arrested at Virginia Avenue Park during the late evening of April 21, for allegedly violating the City?s park closure ordinance and delaying and obstructing officers in the performance of their duties, will not be charged.

According to the Santa Monica Police Department, officers were conducting a check at Virginia Avenue Park at the corner of Pico and Cloverfield on that night when they came across a man later identified as Justin Palmer, whose vehicle was parked at the charging station.

The SMPD said officers told Palmer that the park closed at 11 pm and that the electric vehicle charging station was closed as clearly posted.

?The subject repeatedly refused to leave the park and after numerous requests, officers made the decision to issue him a citation for violating the city?s park closure law,? according to the SMPD. ?When officers requested to see his identification, he repeatedly refused to provide it. The subject was placed under arrest for violation of the municipal park closure ordinance and delaying and obstructing an officer in the course of his duties. During the arrest, the subject actively resisted. Officers deployed pepper spray and physically restrained him.?

Yes, leaving out the facts really does help stir the shit up. Like omitting to note that the above quotation from the Santa Monica Mirror makes it REALLY obvious that what they printed was a statement of some kind from the SMPD--one side's version of events--and not something that could be called more factual, such as independent or investigative reporting by the reporter.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by marcop

Yes, leaving out the facts really does help stir the shit up. Like omitting to note that the above quotation from the Santa Monica Mirror makes it REALLY obvious that what they printed was a statement of some kind from the SMPD--one side's version of events--and not something that could be called more factual, such as independent or investigative reporting by the reporter.

Coke. On. Monitor.

[johnny o]

racist rebuttal from grapesoda brian in 3...2...1

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by johnny o

racist rebuttal from grapesoda brian in 3...2...1

the OP already made it a racist issue by inserting the word "black" into the actual news story title.

[dyna mo]

which is weird because the OP started an "enough racism" thread here just a week ago.

i guess it was enough racism until he could find a topic to spin with a racist slant.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...s-instead.html

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by marcop

Yes, leaving out the facts really does help stir the shit up. Like omitting to note that the above quotation from the Santa Monica Mirror makes it REALLY obvious that what they printed was a statement of some kind from the SMPD--one side's version of events--and not something that could be called more factual, such as independent or investigative reporting by the reporter.

The guy admits showing up knowing the park will be closed within minutes but he was going to start a time consuming charging process. He admits he was told to leave. He admits to being argumentative when asked for ID, which when an auto is involved is pretty standard procedure.

At any time the whole thing could have been avoided but …………. Nooooooo !


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[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

it wasn't because he was black, it was because he was green.

Heh. Good one.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

the park closes at 11 and this tard shows up at 10:57 to charge up.

In the video, there are other cars charging. And someone else they interviewed says he goes at 1am to charge up.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

So once again, the problem is due to the fact that the person was non compliant with the officers and it escalated Due to his own behavior.

Well, 50/50. I agree that he should have shown his ID. I've only been stopped by cops a few times (while driving) and its the first question they always ask. Regardless of your personal beliefs, arguing with a cop is not recommended.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Has nothing to do with charging a car.

Agreed, but, that was the title of the report.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

MarkPrimce and those like him don't care about facts, they only care about their agendas.

What agenda? And why are you calling me names?

Originally Posted by L-Pink

OP continually refers to "Idiots" who believe biased news shows like FOX

That's not true. I call politicians who say ridiculous things "idiots", and I call tea partiers "idiots", and I've called Mr. Dynamo some names in the past, but I don't think I've ever called you an idiot. And why should I?

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Nice work Mark.

?The subject repeatedly refused to leave the park and after numerous requests...

etc

L-Pink I didn't write the article, and honestly I have nothing to say about it. I share it here since there is so many stories about cops targeting black people, and because it came up in my usual EV-esq searches, that's all.

Was the guy treated unfairly? Maybe. Should he have shown his ID? Yes. Should he have obeyed the rules of the park? Yes, even though others seem not to be. Does any of this disagree with your beliefs on this issue?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by johnny o

racist rebuttal from grapesoda brian in 3...2...1

Why race? Are you insinuating a white driver would have been allowed to sit there recharging his car well past closing time?

Put your white guilt away and look at things for what the are sometimes, a douche bag acting stupid.

[dyna mo]

it's against the law to park at that park after 11pm. obviously this law has been abused and ignored by several people there. it's not like those other cars had drivers in them that the police could tell to clear out.


The OP did have something to say about the article, he's the one that included pointing out the driver was black.

he also writes that he's called me names in the past, like he doesn't do that any more.

[Bladewire]

"Charging" a car as in electric car, or charging at it as in running towards it to do damage? Big difference

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

"Charging" a car as in electric car, or charging at it as in running towards it to do damage? Big difference

Charging a car as in having an electric car just like ********** and going to a park to charge it when the police are making a final pass through to close the park at 11:00pm at night... and then being a total cocksucker when they start to ask questions, be defiant, refuse to comply and then get arrested for general arrogant and pompous douchebaggery.

[TheSquealer]

Originally Posted by **********

What agenda? And why are you calling me names?

Because everyday, you insult 1/2 of the voters of this nation of which you are not a citizen by calling them names... and calling them names simply because your own political bias doesn't allow you to listen to, understand or appreciate any other view that isn't your own. Because you are weak. Because you are unintelligent. Because you are so crippled in your thinking that you can't even admit to your own bias, in spite of being at the very far end of the political spectrum in your views. At least crockett is intelligent enough to make up absurd reasons why he feels the way he does ("redrawing voting districts" was his last excuse for his terminal bitterness)... but you aren't even intellectually honest enough to admit to yourself or others, who and what you are.

Why do you feel you get to be a total cunt to ~100,000,000 people and a nation you are not a citizen of and thats OK? Why do you feel you get to insult so many people daily and then be above reproach, be on the higher moral ground and not be rightfully insulted back?

You are a weak human being.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

There is always more to every story and leaving out facts sure helps stir shit up …... The park closes at 11:00 and showing up just before to start a charging process is ridiculous and instead of leaving as requested he makes a stink then refuses to provide ID, etc …..


"A Pico neighborhood man who was arrested at Virginia Avenue Park during the late evening of April 21, for allegedly violating the City’s park closure ordinance and delaying and obstructing officers in the performance of their duties, will not be charged.

According to the Santa Monica Police Department, officers were conducting a check at Virginia Avenue Park at the corner of Pico and Cloverfield on that night when they came across a man later identified as Justin Palmer, whose vehicle was parked at the charging station.

The SMPD said officers told Palmer that the park closed at 11 pm and that the electric vehicle charging station was closed as clearly posted.

“The subject repeatedly refused to leave the park and after numerous requests, officers made the decision to issue him a citation for violating the city’s park closure law,” according to the SMPD. “When officers requested to see his identification, he repeatedly refused to provide it. The subject was placed under arrest for violation of the municipal park closure ordinance and delaying and obstructing an officer in the course of his duties. During the arrest, the subject actively resisted. Officers deployed pepper spray and physically restrained him.”



Pico Neighborhood Man Will Not Be Charged After Arrest In Virginia Avenue Park | Santa Monica Mirror


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So wait you instantly believe the story which washes away any wrong doing by the police but completely ignore the story which talks of police abuse. How exactly did you determine that one story is right and the other is wrong?

You instantly accept the story which goes out of it's way to paint the guy as the villain and white washes the police brutality claims. Meanwhile you discredit the other story because it paints a different picture than what you want to believe.

Simple question.. If the cops acted properly and this guy was in the wrong, then why were no charges filed? The fact the guy was not charged screams volumes about the police story being not 100% truthful. So wouldn't it make more sense that the truth is somewhere in the middle? That maybe this guy acted like a dick and the cops acted like bigger dicks abusing their power?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by crockett

So wait you instantly believe the story which washes away any wrong doing by the police but completely ignore the story which talks of police abuse. How exactly did you determine that one story is right and the other is wrong?

You instantly accept the story which goes out of it's way to paint the guy as the villain and white washes the police brutality claims. Meanwhile you discredit the other story because it paints a different picture than what you want to believe.

Simple question.. If the cops acted properly and this guy was in the wrong, then why were no charges filed? The fact the guy was not charged screams volumes about the police story being not 100% truthful. So wouldn't it make more sense that the truth is somewhere in the middle? That maybe this guy acted like a dick and the cops acted like bigger dicks abusing their power?

I don't instantly believe anything. But usually there is a cause-and-effect in any confrontation. Knowing the guy shows up and knows he will be trespassing in 4 minutes makes me read a little further.

The guy admits showing up knowing the park will be closed within minutes but he was going to start a time consuming charging process anyway. He admits he was told to leave. He admits to being argumentative when asked for ID, which when an auto is involved is pretty standard procedure.

At any moment the guy could have behaved reasonably and driven home.

As far as no charges being filed so what. Charges are dropped all the time, ALL THE TIME.


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[crockett]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I don't instantly believe anything. But usually there is a cause-and-effect in any confrontation. Knowing the guy shows up and knows he will be trespassing in 4 minutes makes me read a little further.

The guy admits showing up knowing the park will be closed within minutes but he was going to start a time consuming charging process anyway. He admits he was told to leave. He admits to being argumentative when asked for ID, which when an auto is involved is pretty standard procedure.

As far as no charges being filed so what. Charges are dropped all the time, ALL THE TIME.


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Maybe the guy didn't know and just thought the cop was acting like a dick.. Also no where that I saw did it say the guy had just shown up. It said he was sitting in his car at 10:56 or something like that while the car was charging.

Also if this was an issue that had happened at lot, then why wouldn't the city just kill the power to the chargers @ 11pm to end any issues right there and then.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Charging a car as in having an electric car just like ********** and going to a park to charge it when the police are making a final pass through to close the park at 11:00pm at night... and then being a total cocksucker when they start to ask questions, be defiant, refuse to comply and then get arrested for general arrogant and pompous douchebaggery.

Damn that's messed up poor guy. If I was in a park @ 11pm and the cops came around, I'd expect them to be suspicious.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by crockett

Maybe the guy didn't know and just thought the cop was acting like a dick.. Also no where that I saw did it say the guy had just shown up. It said he was sitting in his car at 10:56 or something like that while the car was charging.

Maybe he also ignored the posted signs for hours.

Just like you ignored the following from the OP's link … "Palmer says he’d gone to the park just before 11 p.m. to charge his electric vehicle because he’s not allowed to charge at his apartment complex a few blocks away"

I really don't give a fuck. Again I'm just pointing out how all these "cop" incidents could have been prevented by the "victim" before any violence starts. But Nooooooo …..

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[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

The OP did have something to say about the article, he's the one that included pointing out the driver was black.

And is he not black? Did you watch the interview? The poor guy is practically in tears talking about what happened to him. Considering all the other cop-on-black man insanity that has been happening lately especially.

Was it racially motivated? Maybe. Do I think it was? Not sure. Was he treated the way he was because he was black? I hope not.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

he also writes that he's called me names in the past, like he doesn't do that any more.

I won't be calling you names anymore. Call me anything you want. I'll just shower you back with love and affection.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Maybe he also ignored the posted signs for hours.

Just like you ignored the following from the OP's link ? "Palmer says he?d gone to the park just before 11 p.m. to charge his electric vehicle because he?s not allowed to charge at his apartment complex a few blocks away"

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Why would his apartment complex not allow him to charge his own vehicle that's odd

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Why would his apartment complex not allow him to charge his own vehicle that's odd

Electricity costs money. Evidently taxpayers in California will foot the bill though.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Because everyday, you insult 1/2 of the voters of this nation of which you are not a citizen by calling them names...

Very true. You are right. I'm sorry and I apology. I will not insult republican voters any more, I promise. I hope I haven't insulted you and if I did, I apologize for that too.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

and calling them names simply because your own political bias doesn't allow you to listen to, understand or appreciate any other view that isn't your own.

I don't *think* its political bias. I *think* its common sense, or science, or whatever relates to the subject at the time. But ok for now at least, I will take your word for it.

All that I ask though is that the next time a political or republican issue comes up, let's talk about it together in a thread, and if we disagree, try to convince the other they are wrong, in a FUN and informative manner. No reason to fight just because we disagree on politics.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Because you are weak. Because you are unintelligent. Because you are so crippled in your thinking that you can't even admit to your own bias, in spite of being at the very far end of the political spectrum in your views.

I'm definitely not weak in anything that I say or do, I just disagree with a lot of political ideas expressed on GFY.

And also as I said in the previous paragraph, I don't think that I'm biased, However, since you are making the argument that I am biased, well, then, ok - I will consider the idea.

However, I want to make a suggestion:

If you and I get into a discussion where we have opposing opinions, don't dismiss me as a "liberated" the way Dynamo does. It is just too easy and it doesn't make arguing worth the time. Instead, say "Mark, what you said is wrong because something something something + [LINK] if possible. This way the conversation is much more interesting, and I learn something new at the same time.

Fair enough?

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

At least crockett is intelligent enough to make up absurd reasons why he feels the way he does ("redrawing voting districts" was his last excuse for his terminal bitterness)... but you aren't even intellectually honest enough to admit to yourself or others, who and what you are.

I disagree. I am a tree hugging liberal green-loving hippie weirdo 420 fan freak that would vote democratic in a US election because I haven't seen nothing on the GOP side that would get me to change my mind. I'm not saying I wouldn't ever. I'm saying I haven't yet.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Why do you feel you get to be a total cunt to ~100,000,000 people and a nation you are not a citizen of and thats OK?

I'm not trying to insult individual voters, I'm trying to point out my perceived rediculousness of the current political situation. Again if I insulted you, I sincerely apologize.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Why do you feel you get to insult so many people daily and then be above reproach,

You're right, I'm sorry, it won't happen again.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

be on the higher moral ground and not be rightfully insulted back?

Actually I am not at all afraid of insults. It's better when the insults mean something. Yours for example, are accurate and important, at least to me, which is why I am taking the time to read what you are saying and respond carefully.

Peace?

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[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Why would his apartment complex not allow him to charge his own vehicle that's odd

It happens. I live in a house now but when I bought my EV I was in a duplex. I had to pay to put in a 220v line and pay for it myself, and I had to pay him for the electricity. I felt a little nickle-and-dimed, but thats ok. A friend who lived only a few blocks away was not allowed to charge his car at his home either, but wasn't given a reason. His boss on the other hand loved the idea and went out of his way to make sure he could charge anytime he wanted. I think its just a personal choice.

[L-Pink]

I really don't give a fuck what happens to anyone involved in these cop stories. Cop or idiot.

I have successfully gone thru life avoiding messy police confrontations. I can't help myself and comment whenever I see someone so situationally unaware that they fuck themselves.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Electricity costs money. Evidently taxpayers in California will foot the bill though.

No not the tax payers, the apartment owner would have to pay for the electricity.

Then again, electricity can be metered too but I assume the owner wouldn't want to pay to have one installed.

What they could have done is have the driver pay the owner for the electricity used to charge the car. Charging times are available via stats on the in-car display or online (GM, Tesla, etc), but its such a low amount that the honour system would have worked too. Thats the way I used to charge mine anyway.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

I really don't give a fuck what happens to anyone involved in these cop stories. Cop or idiot.

I have successfully gone thru life avoiding messy police confrontations. I can't help myself and comment whenever I see someone so situationally unaware that they fuck themselves.

Same here. I've been stopped for driving infractions a few times, but its always "Yes officer, no officer, whatever officer, thank you officer". Never fuck around.

The way I see it is this: They are probably already nervous every time they have to stop someone. They don't know if the guy might pull out a gun. So when I've been stopped, I completely relax, keep my hand on the wheel, tell the truth, etc. When asked for my license & registration, I let them know its in my wallet and in my pocket, then reach for it afterwards, etc. The more you can help a copy relax and let them know you're not an idiot, the better they feel and the nicer they are to you.

[TheSquealer]

Mark, i appreciate your response. I truly do. I appreciate the honesty and offer of peace. I don't have a problem with you really... i was just posting about the behavior.

We all see things differently... and that's fine. We are supposed to. It is how we are wired. But when take to posting constant derisive and insulting remarks about a group of people that represents 1/2 of the nation,... one that you aren't even a citizen of, you should expect and understand that you are offending those in that group and often turning off those who are more in the middle as well. And when you do it in conjunction with a constant undertone of arrogant superiority (they are dumb and crazy and we're not), then you have to expect people to push back. And you have to expect that people are going to start being equally disrespectful towards you.

It's fine to be biased in ones thinking. We all are. I know I am. I know I see things from a Conservative perspective. I've even taken great pains to read extensively and understand why and how we see things differently as someone that appreciates how the brain works, psychology and so on. To me, its an important part of how a society functions and those bias' are necessary from a standpoint of evolutionary biology. This is complicated to explain, but the punchline is that the best decisions for the groups survival arise from heated debate about anything that matters to the group, not widespread agreement.

Above all things, it used to bother me as a reasonably intelligent person to see that someone is seeing something that I just don't or that I am seeing something that they clearly don't (as happens in conservative/liberal debates) and always felt that an intelligent person should strive to get to the bottom of that and at least make an effort to understand why that is and to be respectful of the other side. After all, our brain employs not only the general bias of liberal/conservative (this is actually rooted in moral decision making and the different weights or values we assign to moral issues), but also a massive number of other cognitive bias'. It's normal to an extent to seek out information that supports a view and instantly dismiss information that challenges it (confirmation bias), its normal to reflexively support an in-group and attack an out-group (basic tribal behaviors) and normal to do 1000 other things that reinforce our bias.

It's fine to be biased. We all are. It's pure insanity to deny that as you have which is really also a way to add a little more venum to your constant attacks. And being biased doesn't mean you have to be obnoxiously disrespectful towards those who do not see things as you do and I keep expecting that you as someone who appreciates science would act in a more mature manner and be more appreciative of views that challenge your own and use every interaction as a learning experience, and not be the one acting out day in and day out, completely mystified and embittered that people think and perceive things differently.

It's all good. I'll be nice for as long as you are.

current date and time: 5/11/2015, 4:50pm Central. Lets see how long it lasts.

peace ;)

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Mark, i appreciate your response. I truly do. I appreciate the honesty and offer of peace. I don't have a problem with you really... i was just posting about the behavior.

We all see things differently... and that's fine. We are supposed to. It is how we are wired. But when take to posting constant derisive and insulting remarks about a group of people that represents 1/2 of the nation,... one that you aren't even a citizen of, you should expect and understand that you are offending those in that group and often turning off those who are more in the middle as well. And when you do it in conjunction with a constant undertone of arrogant superiority (they are dumb and crazy and we're not), then you have to expect people to push back. And you have to expect that people are going to start being equally disrespectful towards you.

It's fine to be biased in ones thinking. We all are. I know I am. I know I see things from a Conservative perspective. I've even taken great pains to read extensively and understand why and how we see things differently as someone that appreciates how the brain works, psychology and so on. To me, its an important part of how a society functions and those bias' are necessary from a standpoint of evolutionary biology. This is complicated to explain, but the punchline is that the best decisions for the groups survival arise from heated debate about anything that matters to the group, not widespread agreement.

Above all things, it used to bother me as a reasonably intelligent person to see that someone is seeing something that I just don't or that I am seeing something that they clearly don't (as happens in conservative/liberal debates) and always felt that an intelligent person should strive to get to the bottom of that and at least make an effort to understand why that is and to be respectful of the other side. After all, our brain employs not only the general bias of liberal/conservative (this is actually rooted in moral decision making and the different weights or values we assign to moral issues), but also a massive number of other cognitive bias'. It's normal to an extent to seek out information that supports a view and instantly dismiss information that challenges it (confirmation bias), its normal to reflexively support an in-group and attack an out-group (basic tribal behaviors) and normal to do 1000 other things that reinforce our bias.

It's fine to be biased. We all are. It's pure insanity to deny that as you have which is really also a way to add a little more venum to your constant attacks. And being biased doesn't mean you have to be obnoxiously disrespectful towards those who do not see things as you do and I keep expecting that you as someone who appreciates science would act in a more mature manner and be more appreciative of views that challenge your own and use every interaction as a learning experience, and not be the one acting out day in and day out, completely mystified and embittered that people think and perceive things differently.

It's all good. I'll be nice for as long as you are.

current date and time: 5/11/2015, 4:50pm Central. Lets see how long it lasts.

peace ;)

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**********, you're a fucking dumbfuck, gofuckyourself fuckwad.

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Originally Posted by **********

Same here. I've been stopped for driving infractions a few times, but its always "Yes officer, no officer, whatever officer, thank you officer". Never fuck around.

The way I see it is this: They are probably already nervous every time they have to stop someone. They don't know if the guy might pull out a gun. So when I've been stopped, I completely relax, keep my hand on the wheel, tell the truth, etc. When asked for my license & registration, I let them know its in my wallet and in my pocket, then reach for it afterwards, etc. The more you can help a copy relax and let them know you're not an idiot, the better they feel and the nicer they are to you.

I ride my motorcycle 90% of the time. I have long hair, dress kind of ratty, have straight pipes that are to loud for most states, ride mostly in southern states.

Being pulled over an average of 1-3 times a year for 30 years is a lot more face to face cop time than most will ever enjoy. Being non threatening and courteous has limited the negatives to a few traffic tickets and equipment fines. Any one of those times I could have been a dick and escalated the situation. But why? To prove a point or be a bad-ass?

Fuck that, kiss ass say yess Sir and down the road laugh about the coke/pot he didn't look for or the breath test that wasn't taken. Anyone who provokes a cop gets what they deserve.

Around here that attitude makes me a cop lover, lol lol lol Go figure huh.


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