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k0nr4d · 09-04-2015, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

that is simply not true - that's the problem cause people believe that

but still Germany is better to them than most other countries, yes

Leistungen für Flüchtlinge - Politik - WDR.de
"Ganz ausgenommen von den 359 Euro sind Kosten für Unterkunft, Heizung und Hausrat. Diese werden gesondert erbracht - wahlweise als Geld- oder Sachleistung."

So €359 per each adult refugee (presumably tax free) + allowances for housing, heating and household appliances. I'd imagine there are some additional amounts given for children's needs as well, but that article doesn't seem to cover it.
Compared to Poland, that 359 euro is roughly 1500 PLN which is above our minimum wage and roughly what a cashier at a grocery store cashier makes working 40-50 hours a week, and they have to pay for their own housing.

That being said, I do agree with you that Germany and the German people would treat them better. As far as public opinion goes, whereas Germans might be 50/50 for taking them, The polish population is about 90/10 or more against taking them.

rogueteens · 09-04-2015, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

Here is what Finnish war refugees looked like. It is quite different picture than about the Syrian, etc. refugees arriving to Europe. Journey is of course harder, but I don't think that it helps those kids position that able bodied men leave and kids and women are left behind.

Totally unrelated to the argument at hand. those children were evacuated and it happened all over Europe, they were not refugees and their parents were left behind to help with the war effort. the children returned after the danger was over. totally unlike what is happening now. contrary to what the media tells you, almost all of the migrants are young men looking for an easier life and most of them are up to 1000 miles away from the war they claim to be escaping from but still want to push on westwards. Its a myth that all of those so-called asylum seekers are actually genuine refugees. yes, some are but by far, they are mostly economic migrants.

Matyko · 09-04-2015, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

To anyone that thinks most of these people are war refugees, the minister of foreign affairs for Hungary announced that of the 150611 registered migrants that crossed the border into Hungary *THIS YEAR ALONE*, 50413 were Syrian nationals. That's only 1/3rd.

You should NOT believe a single word from a hungarian politician ...

aka123 · 09-04-2015, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens

Totally unrelated to the argument at hand. those children were evacuated and it happened all over Europe, they were not refugees and their parents were left behind to help with the war effort. the children returned after the danger was over. totally unlike what is happening now. contrary to what the media tells you, almost all of the migrants are young men looking for an easier life and most of them are up to 1000 miles away from the war they claim to be escaping from but still want to push on westwards. Its a myth that all of those so-called asylum seekers are actually genuine refugees. yes, some are but by far, they are mostly economic migrants.

I don't think that you really got my post.

Our media has told that most arriving refugees are men because the others can't stand the long and hard journey. You know; family escapes to Turkey for example, and then their able bodied men leaves to Europe after better life. At least we are told that most/ big part of refugees are actually women and kids, they just don't come to Europe. But anyways, the end result is that they have already escaped the war when they start their journey to Europe.

The easy solution to still taking refugees would be following: If you are escaping something, then is the thing you escape at in the country you come from? Like if you cross border, is the country on the side you are coming from the country where are the things you escape for. If not, then there is no need/ valid reason to cross border.

AKA we would take refugees pretty much only from neighboring countries. It is easy to return back and the refugees are more close culturally, etc. than the citizens of that country. So, easier for everyone. Familiar, fun and easy to return.

Barry-xlovecam · 09-04-2015, 06:03 AM

I am glad to see how maturely the EU is dealing with this issue

I will be in Paris and a few days in Nice late this month for two weeks -- I guess I will see for myself. Hopefully, no one will wash up on shore (dead?).

Two days ago the Eurostar train was "attacked" near Calais by immigrants climbing on the train cars' roofs trying to cross into the the UK -- illegally. Apart from endangering themselves and the passengers of the train it does show both the desperation of the immigrants and also their lawlessness. Last year I was in London and in Paris -- I saw for myself Europe's immigrant situation and "problem."

North Africa is an EU problem and Libya is a NATO problem. Syria is both a pan-Arabia and a USA problem -- NATO has only played a minor role.

We can invest trillions in these wars, stress out our own economies and destroy the economies of the nations we war with yet we are not responsible for the damage we cause to civilians in these countries we war with?

12clicks · 09-04-2015, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

of course people would only leave a place like this because of money - otherwise it's quite pleasant here

and here's to every fucking racist on this board

the problem with refugees is that they are merely the losing side of the same culture. They bring their problems, hatred, religion, etc. with them. Eventually their new home looks like their old home.

If Americans want to enjoy traveling through europe, they need to do it within the next 10 years.

aka123 · 09-04-2015, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

We can invest trillions in these wars, stress out our own economies and destroy the economies of the nations we war with yet we are not responsible for the damage we cause to civilians in these countries we war with?

If USA is in war with Syria, would you please get over it and win the war? Thanks.

Barry-xlovecam · 09-04-2015, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123

If USA is in war with Syria, would you please get over it and win the war? Thanks.

We (the USA, the Arab states and NATO) are bombing daily but in dribbles. This limited warfare only exacerbates the refugee issues. The people, yes most of them are just people trying to survive all of this, are not hopeful of an imminent solution

So they leave for safety with few possessions.

This is like the myth of Hercules and the Hydra. Eventually, Hercules did kill the Hydra. Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya were just a few heads

There may be no real winner only armistice I am afraid ...

rogueteens · 09-04-2015, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Two days ago the Eurostar train was "attacked" near Calais by immigrants climbing on the train cars' roofs trying to cross into the the UK -- illegally. Apart from endangering themselves and the passengers of the train it does show both the desperation of the immigrants and also their lawlessness.

Yes, France is a desolate war-zone isn't it? No wonder all those "refugees" and "asylum seekers" are so desperate to leave it rather than registering there.

MaDalton · 09-04-2015, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Leistungen für Flüchtlinge - Politik - WDR.de
"Ganz ausgenommen von den 359 Euro sind Kosten für Unterkunft, Heizung und Hausrat. Diese werden gesondert erbracht - wahlweise als Geld- oder Sachleistung."

So ?359 per each adult refugee (presumably tax free) + allowances for housing, heating and household appliances. I'd imagine there are some additional amounts given for children's needs as well, but that article doesn't seem to cover it.
Compared to Poland, that 359 euro is roughly 1500 PLN which is above our minimum wage and roughly what a cashier at a grocery store cashier makes working 40-50 hours a week, and they have to pay for their own housing.

That being said, I do agree with you that Germany and the German people would treat them better. As far as public opinion goes, whereas Germans might be 50/50 for taking them, The polish population is about 90/10 or more against taking them.

it's a little bit more complex but doesn't matter at the end

but i cannot repeat myself often enough that i would prefer that we would help Turkey, Lebanon etc to accommodate the Syrians right there

rogueteens · 09-04-2015, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

If Americans want to enjoy traveling through europe, they need to do it within the next 10 years.

Ten years is optimistic, Gang of men smashed American tourist's eye socket with a bottle in Brick Lane | Daily Mail Online

dyna mo · 09-04-2015, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I am glad to see how maturely the EU is dealing with this issue

I will be in Paris and a few days in Nice late this month for two weeks -- I guess I will see for myself. Hopefully, no one will wash up on shore (dead?).

Two days ago the Eurostar train was "attacked" near Calais by immigrants climbing on the train cars' roofs trying to cross into the the UK -- illegally. Apart from endangering themselves and the passengers of the train it does show both the desperation of the immigrants and also their lawlessness. Last year I was in London and in Paris -- I saw for myself Europe's immigrant situation and "problem."

North Africa is an EU problem and Libya is a NATO problem. Syria is both a pan-Arabia and a USA problem -- NATO has only played a minor role.

We can invest trillions in these wars, stress out our own economies and destroy the economies of the nations we war with yet we are not responsible for the damage we cause to civilians in these countries we war with?

USA has spent 4$ billion on the refugees so far, I've posted the link Barry.

k0nr4d · 09-04-2015, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

it's a little bit more complex but doesn't matter at the end

but i cannot repeat myself often enough that i would prefer that we would help Turkey, Lebanon etc to accommodate the Syrians right there

That's completely reasonable and definitely something I would support. Help them, but don't bring them here - and especially not like this. Schengen needs to be temporarily suspended and the borders of europe need to be defended, and people who come on boats immediately put back on ferries to their port of departure. Money that goes to housing and feeding refugees here should be put to establishing and defending refugee camps over there.

mikeworks · 09-04-2015, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens

Totally unrelated to the argument at hand. those children were evacuated and it happened all over Europe, they were not refugees and their parents were left behind to help with the war effort. the children returned after the danger was over. totally unlike what is happening now. contrary to what the media tells you, almost all of the migrants are young men looking for an easier life and most of them are up to 1000 miles away from the war they claim to be escaping from but still want to push on westwards. Its a myth that all of those so-called asylum seekers are actually genuine refugees. yes, some are but by far, they are mostly economic migrants.

That is an excellent post. Watching the news is all just one sided, there is no one saying stuff like this.

I just wish people would stop posting disgusting 'war porn' in an otherwise intelligent debate. Most people do not want to see such horrific images.

MaDalton · 09-04-2015, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeworks

That is an excellent post. Watching the news is all just one sided, there is no one saying stuff like this.

I just wish people would stop posting disgusting 'war porn' in an otherwise intelligent debate. Most people do not want to see such horrific images.

there can be no debate without facing reality

dyna mo · 09-04-2015, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristobal_Colon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus

Christopher Columbus (/kəˈlʌmbəs/; Italian: Cristoforo Colombo; Spanish: Cristóbal Colón; Portuguese: Cristóvão Colombo;

fill us all in, what does Columbus have to do with Columbo?

nico-t · 09-04-2015, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

the problem with refugees is that they are merely the losing side of the same culture. They bring their problems, hatred, religion, etc. with them. Eventually their new home looks like their old home.

If Americans want to enjoy traveling through europe, they need to do it within the next 10 years.

first time i agree with something you say.

The picture post of Madalton is exactly the way the media does its propaganda and brainwashing. Throw in some shocking images and completely blow everything out of proportions, a cheap tactic. Ignoring the true facts of immigration in europe: A failed, broken system filling up every country with foreign criminals and a culture that hates women, free speech and everything our civilization stands for.

MaDalton · 09-04-2015, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t

first time i agree with something you say.

The picture post of Madalton is exactly the way the media does its propaganda and brainwashing. Throw in some shocking images and completely blow everything out of proportions, a cheap tactic. Ignoring the true facts of immigration in europe: A failed, broken system filling up every country with foreign criminals and a culture that hates women, free speech and everything our civilization stands for.

lol - as someone that used to work for a company whos content depicts women in the most degrading way possible you are surely an epitome of women rights, yeah

Sly · 09-04-2015, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

I think these people shouldn't be let in, even more so the economic migrants. They are now freely roaming around europe, with no one checking them at all, with absolutely no documents. They have more rights then i do - I can't drive legally into another country without my ID. These people could be ISIS members, they could be carrying all sorts of african diseases, etc. We really, really do not need this shit - and i'm very happy that Poland is only accepting so few of them.

I've seen videos of a migrant throwing his wife and small child on the ground with police all around them then pretending that police are beating him or did it. It was on BBC, except they didn't show the part of him throwing himself on the ground along with his wife.

I've seen videos of black guys from Ghana (which is not at war, nor especially poor) complaining about the conditions of the refugee camp. They were evidently expecting a free castle each and instead got tents. Seriously, all these guys living there can't fucking fix a slightly leaking tent? They are going to be great additions to the german "work force"...

The media spins it like it's all starving women and children, when in fact in every single video I have seen it's like 90% young men. How many children do you see here?

The fact they all want to go to germany or sweden and do not accept hungary, austria, etc suggests that they are really after the social and not escaping war. I'm sure SOME are, but come on...

Schengen zone should be completely shut down until this blows over.

Look at all these children here too...

I was reading an article about the Prime Minister of Hungary yesterday. He was saying that it's not a European problem, it's a Germany problem. The people come to Hungary, register because Germany made it a requirement, and then move on. They have no desire to stay in Hungary, Austria, etc, they want to go deep where the benefits are good.

Not that I can blame them. Why not go another 500 miles and get better benefits? From their perspective, it makes sense. From the receiving end perspective, it doesn't. And for someone speaking up against this getting labeled as an evil is beyond bizarre. Everyone has to look out for what is in their best interest. Sometimes that means the other guy gets a shitty deal. Reality is not rainbows and unicorns.

Scott McD · 09-04-2015, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens

Yes, France is a desolate war-zone isn't it? No wonder all those "refugees" and "asylum seekers" are so desperate to leave it rather than registering there.

And it has been going on for many years now. So people should stop making out that the current situation at Calais is in any way related to what's happening in Syria recently...

12clicks · 09-04-2015, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rogueteens

Ten years is optimistic, Gang of men smashed American tourist's eye socket with a bottle in Brick Lane | Daily Mail Online

I'll see for myself in a month or so. but I don't doubt society collapses under muslim lawlessness sooner

RazorSharpe · 09-04-2015, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

fill us all in, what does Columbus have to do with Columbo?

Those links were for me. I was receiving an education. Someone said Columbo "invented" America. And I made a joke not knowing that Columbus' Italian name was indeed Columbo. He also has various other names in other languages which is what the links are pointing out to me.

dyna mo · 09-04-2015, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i have no hope for a reasonable debate about this on GFY

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

lol - as someone that used to work for a company whos content depicts women in the most degrading way possible you are surely an epitome of women rights, yeah

sounds reasonable.

dyna mo · 09-04-2015, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Those links were for me. I was receiving an education. Someone said Columbo "invented" America. And I made a joke not knowing that Columbus' Italian name was indeed Columbo. He also has various other names in other languages which is what the links are pointing out to me.

i hear ya, i'm up to speed on the thread.

madalton likes to do drive-by's, so i'm joining in.

either way, Columbus's Italian name Columbo still translates to Columbo in Spanish.

Sly · 09-04-2015, 07:41 AM

After further reading, I see that Hungarian politicians should not be trusted!

Imagine that, Europeans and Americans have a common hatred! ;-)

CurrentlySober · 09-04-2015, 07:41 AM

i like colons...

_Richard_ · 09-04-2015, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i know, i know

MetaMan · 09-04-2015, 07:42 AM

These people come from violent cultures, violent religions have already proven not to integrate well into western society. Are unwilling to integrate. But yet people still somehow want them to be allowed to migrate? It's absolutely unreal and crazy to think this way.

A few sad photos does not explain the real situation.

These people will have children who grow up. Feeling pushed outside of society because they do not integrate. Who will be angry and want revenge against the host countries. We are already seeing it.

The western thinking countries should be taking 0 risk with people from these zones. It will be our own demise. Anyone who cannot see this is simply blind.

Not to mention the fact that arabs on average have more children per family. What happens 10 years, 20 years, 30 years+ from now when the local population is decreasing per capita and immigrant population that in time will be greater in numbers starts voting ?

These people DO NOT want to become western. They want to take from the western society.

Sly · 09-04-2015, 07:43 AM

I always thought it was funny that the currency in Costa Rica was called the colón.

Pronunciation is a little off, but still funny!

Mutt · 09-04-2015, 07:48 AM

You can't fix what's broken - the Middle East lives in 1015 not 2015, none of them want democracy/pluralism, each fucked up group wants to subjugate and kill their rivals. Liberals live in a fantasy land where all the fuckups would be such happy souls if not for our meddling in their affairs.

Remember we just fought the two most violent wars in human history in the last century, and that's with all the enlightenment and sophistication and progress we like to think we've made. These people are centuries behind us and the fact they have modern weapons is frightening and why I can't believe we are making a deal with Iran, that we think we know more than Israel.

I'm all for MaDalton's idea, help Middle Eastern countries out that will take them in. Arab Muslims come with too much baggage to be welcomed into Western countries.

JuicyBunny · 09-04-2015, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I am glad to see how maturely the EU is dealing with this issue

I will be in Paris and a few days in Nice late this month for two weeks -- I guess I will see for myself. Hopefully, no one will wash up on shore (dead?).

Two days ago the Eurostar train was "attacked" near Calais by immigrants climbing on the train cars' roofs trying to cross into the the UK -- illegally. Apart from endangering themselves and the passengers of the train it does show both the desperation of the immigrants and also their lawlessness. Last year I was in London and in Paris -- I saw for myself Europe's immigrant situation and "problem."

North Africa is an EU problem and Libya is a NATO problem. Syria is both a pan-Arabia and a USA problem -- NATO has only played a minor role.

We can invest trillions in these wars, stress out our own economies and destroy the economies of the nations we war with yet we are not responsible for the damage we cause to civilians in these countries we war with?

QFFT!

dyna mo · 09-04-2015, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Syria is both a pan-Arabia and a USA problem

huh? how is Syria a USA problem?

we've not even been doing drone strikes there for a year, according to all accounts, the civilian death toll from those precision strikes barely = 50 Syrians. 50.

we've already spent $4 BILLION on the refugees over the last 4 years.

Barry-xlovecam · 09-04-2015, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

USA has spent 4$ billion on the refugees so far, I've posted the link Barry.

I know and we also have spent maybe $3 Trillion or more on wars the last 12 years in the Arab lands.

$4 billion / 4 Million displaced persons = $100 each in a year. With other aid EU and general UN money maybe $400 - $500 per person a year.

There are estimated to be 2 - 6 million displace persons now related to the ISIS/US and NATO conflict.

Leave ISIS to take over and contain them; or,
Send in a 300,000 man invasion army to liquidate them.

Or this will be endless ...

Most of the Arab states have no tradition of governing as a representative Republic. So, after an invasion? Nation building is a failed strategy.

In the French revolution they guillotined the heads of the royalty -- maybe the guillotines need to roll again.

Nickatilynx · 09-04-2015, 08:11 AM

Why Europe?

Why do they not seek refuge in other more stable and wealthy Arabic/Islamic countries , like Kuwait , Saudi and the other Gulf States.

Wouldn't that make sense?

I guess the reason is , those countries do not want them.

Which begs the question...why not?

Barry-xlovecam · 09-04-2015, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

huh? how is Syria a USA problem?

we've not even been doing drone strikes there for a year, according to all accounts, the civilian death toll from those precision strikes barely = 50 Syrians. 50.

we've already spent $4 BILLION on the refugees over the last 4 years.

Yes, US and NATO air strikes are a winning strategy

Barry-xlovecam · 09-04-2015, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Why Europe?

Why do they not seek refuge in other more stable and wealthy Arabic/Islamic countries , like Kuwait , Saudi and the other Gulf States.

Wouldn't that make sense?

I guess the reason is , those countries do not want them.

Which begs the question...why not?

You think the Arab world is filled with love for other Muslim/Arab ethnic groups or religious sects

They fight each other on and off ... They are doing this in Yemen and Syria right now. They just are playing one against the other.

Sly · 09-04-2015, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

You think the Arab world is filled with love for other ethnic groups or religious sects

They fight each other on and off ... They are doing this in Yemen and Syria right now. They just playing one against the other.

Are these host European countries going to set up different areas for the different sects so they don't bring that same war into the cities?

dyna mo · 09-04-2015, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I know and we also have spent maybe $3 Trillion or more on wars the last 12 years in the Arab lands.

$4 billion / 4 Million displaced persons = $100 each in a year. With other aid EU and general UN money maybe $400 - $500 per person a year.

There are estimated to be 2 - 6 million displace persons now related to the ISIS/US and NATO conflict.

Leave ISIS to take over and contain them; or,
Send in a 300,000 man invasion army to liquidate them.

Or this will be endless ...

Most of the Arab states have no tradition of governing as a representative Republic. So, after an invasion? Nation building is a failed strategy.

In the French revolution they guillotined the heads of the royalty -- maybe the guillotines need to roll again.

that doesn't explain why you think the Syrian refugee crisis is a USA problem.

dyna mo · 09-04-2015, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Yes, US and NATO air strikes are a winning strategy

i never claimed the drone strikes over the past 11 months is a winning strategy.

but they certainly are not the reason why syrians are migrating and they certainly do not make the USA responsible for 4+ years of Syrian turmoil.

RazorSharpe · 09-04-2015, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Why Europe?

Why do they not seek refuge in other more stable and wealthy Arabic/Islamic countries , like Kuwait , Saudi and the other Gulf States.

Wouldn't that make sense?

I guess the reason is , those countries do not want them.

Which begs the question...why not?

Egyptian billionaire Naguib Sawiris offers to buy an ISLAND so migrants can 'build new country' | Daily Mail Online

aka123 · 09-04-2015, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Egyptian billionaire Naguib Sawiris offers to buy an ISLAND so migrants can 'build new country' | Daily Mail Online

What is wrong with the old country? Too much Syrians for Syrians?

Besides the war of course, but wars end by fighting, surrendering or making peace. If all these millions Syrian refugees would fight against Assad or whoever, I think that they have fairly good chances of winning. Well, there are lot of women and children, but there seems to be one or two able bodied men too.

Barry-xlovecam · 09-04-2015, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Egyptian billionaire Naguib Sawiris offers to buy an ISLAND so migrants can 'build new country' | Daily Mail Online

A kind charitable offer. However, buying a small island can maybe help only a few thousand immigrants realistically.

RazorSharpe · 09-04-2015, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

A kind charitable offer. However, buying a small island can maybe help only a few thousand immigrants realistically.

Obviously depends on the size of the island but even a small one, like Bahrain (in the Middle East) is only 34 miles long and 11 miles wide ... Population close to 1.2 million

aka123 · 09-04-2015, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RazorSharpe

Obviously depends on the size of the island but even a small one, like Bahrain (in the Middle East) is only 34 miles long and 11 miles wide ... Population close to 1.2 million

And not sustainable. There will be another bunch of refugees when that fucks up.

That region is suitable for having few people, some camels and lots of praying for Allah (something to do in the middle of desert).

Barry-xlovecam · 09-04-2015, 09:22 AM

There are 640 acres in a square mile.
34*11*640
239,360 Acres
96,866 Hectacres

for $100 Million USD

k0nr4d · 09-04-2015, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

You should NOT believe a single word from a hungarian politician ...

Honestly, I agree completely with your governments view on this whole matter...

Here's a video of the poor women and children (that definately are NOT an invasion force) throwing away food and water given to them by your authorities... The water can't even stand on the train platform with them. They are throwing the shit away onto the train tracks. They came uninvited to your country and are littering.

And then there is this...

This video was big on BBC - except they didn't show the whole thing. They of course removed the part where he threw his own wife on the ground and made it look like the police were beating the poor defenseless woman and child. This mother fucker is in Europe for a few days and is already trying to manipulate. He steps off some fucking raft into Europe and already has more rights then I do. This is 15% refugees running from war and 85% invasion of Europe, and too many politicians are concerned with being labeled a racist and won't do anything to stop it, and will act surprised when the people have had enough, right wing parties get elected all over europe, and one guy comes to power and decides on another "final solution" like there was 70 years ago...

Orban is completely right imho, and myself and many, many people in PL wish Europe had 27 more like him. This needs to be stopped, because it will end up in a War in europe and another holocaust.

Vendot · 09-04-2015, 09:28 AM

History will look back on this as a big mistake ie accepting the migrants.

Europe will lose its sovereignty soon...

dyna mo · 09-04-2015, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

And then there is this...

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what the fuck wow. sacrifice the baby on the train tracks and this is USA problem.

unbelievable.

Sly · 09-04-2015, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

Orban is completely right imho, and myself and many, many people in PL wish Europe had 27 more like him. This needs to be stopped, because it will end up in a War in europe and another holocaust.

Could something like this fracture the European Union?

k0nr4d · 09-04-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Could something like this fracture the European Union?

The EU no, but they basically have to at least suspend schengen and enforce border checks soon

It will make travel in europe less convenient but it's gotta be done.

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Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,296	I always thought it was funny that the currency in Costa Rica was called the colón. Pronunciation is a little off, but still funny! __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available - just $50/mo Wanted: CCBill pay sites for sale

09-04-2015, 07:48 AM	#130
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	You can't fix what's broken - the Middle East lives in 1015 not 2015, none of them want democracy/pluralism, each fucked up group wants to subjugate and kill their rivals. Liberals live in a fantasy land where all the fuckups would be such happy souls if not for our meddling in their affairs. Remember we just fought the two most violent wars in human history in the last century, and that's with all the enlightenment and sophistication and progress we like to think we've made. These people are centuries behind us and the fact they have modern weapons is frightening and why I can't believe we are making a deal with Iran, that we think we know more than Israel. I'm all for MaDalton's idea, help Middle Eastern countries out that will take them in. Arab Muslims come with too much baggage to be welcomed into Western countries. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

09-04-2015, 08:11 AM	#134
Nickatilynx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: International Gypsy Posts: 819	Why Europe? Why do they not seek refuge in other more stable and wealthy Arabic/Islamic countries , like Kuwait , Saudi and the other Gulf States. Wouldn't that make sense? I guess the reason is , those countries do not want them. Which begs the question...why not? __________________ Skype - Nickatilynx

09-04-2015, 06:03 AM	#105
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	I am glad to see how maturely the EU is dealing with this issue I will be in Paris and a few days in Nice late this month for two weeks -- I guess I will see for myself. Hopefully, no one will wash up on shore (dead?). Two days ago the Eurostar train was "attacked" near Calais by immigrants climbing on the train cars' roofs trying to cross into the the UK -- illegally. Apart from endangering themselves and the passengers of the train it does show both the desperation of the immigrants and also their lawlessness. Last year I was in London and in Paris -- I saw for myself Europe's immigrant situation and "problem." North Africa is an EU problem and Libya is a NATO problem. Syria is both a pan-Arabia and a USA problem -- NATO has only played a minor role. We can invest trillions in these wars, stress out our own economies and destroy the economies of the nations we war with yet we are not responsible for the damage we cause to civilians in these countries we war with?

09-04-2015, 07:42 AM	#128
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	These people come from violent cultures, violent religions have already proven not to integrate well into western society. Are unwilling to integrate. But yet people still somehow want them to be allowed to migrate? It's absolutely unreal and crazy to think this way. A few sad photos does not explain the real situation. These people will have children who grow up. Feeling pushed outside of society because they do not integrate. Who will be angry and want revenge against the host countries. We are already seeing it. The western thinking countries should be taking 0 risk with people from these zones. It will be our own demise. Anyone who cannot see this is simply blind. Not to mention the fact that arabs on average have more children per family. What happens 10 years, 20 years, 30 years+ from now when the local population is decreasing per capita and immigrant population that in time will be greater in numbers starts voting ? These people DO NOT want to become western. They want to take from the western society.

09-04-2015, 09:22 AM	#145
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	There are 640 acres in a square mile. 3411640 239,360 Acres 96,866 Hectacres for $100 Million USD

09-04-2015, 09:28 AM	#147
Vendot Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 3,376	History will look back on this as a big mistake ie accepting the migrants. Europe will lose its sovereignty soon...