ilnjscb

This is huge news and a huge blow for republicans. This basically guarantees the house goes to democrats, Trump will be impeached (not removed). Trump 2020 just got a whole lot less possible.

Rochard

I just saw this on the news. Very interesting.

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For the world or just Trump? that's my concern

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Who think Paul will run for Pres?

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Ryan is a Republican only in name. He's about as left as McCain is.

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beerptrol

just like Trump is a republican by name

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Yep, I'd say Trump is more of an independent. Nature of the 2 party system. You have to pick one or the other and many times that pick is made for you. As in you make a switch to fill a seat.

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ilnjscb

Trump re-election. If Paul Ryan resigns he will not be able to run for president. He probably just believes he will lose. He may have done some internal polling and that mustache guy is winning.

If Trump loses the House he *will* be impeached. He will not be removed, as I personally see it, but he will be gelded (for the dummies, that means his nuts will be removed).

This is far worse for him than Mueller. It means the House believes a wave is coming. I never count Trump out, but it is hard to see how he keeps the republicans in line after this.

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Ryan has been a thorn in Trumps side since day one. He will not be missed by Trump.

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Matt-ADX

How?

Also this is him officially saying it. He basically said he was doing this back in December or November 2017 I believe. It was well known he was not going to seek re-election

ilnjscb

I hear what you're saying, but it appears that Trump voters will not turn out for candidates that are not Trump. I gather you are a Trump supporter, you must understand that if the house goes Democrat Trump will be impeached. Ryan is not resigning because he doesn't get along with Trump - he is resigning because he believes he is going to lose.

At the end of the day, the voters don't make laws, they elect officials to do it. The republicans want to stay in office. If they can't raise money because people believe they are going to lose, they will leave office. It appears the national mood is 10 - 15% more democrat leaning OR republicans are not turning out. Either way, Trump is already hobbled by the media, so he will not be like Clinton and recover. He will continue to be attacked and will therefore probably lose in 2020 or choose not to run.

Again, Trump is smarter than I am. I try not to underestimate him. But what path does he have?

artwilliams

I am glad Ryan fixed all that deficit stuff before he left. ;)

Matt-ADX

Dems will do what they always do and overestimate their hand and run someone like Kamala Harris thinking they are so smart. Look at Bladewire, the guy is already touting her as the next great candidate. She will hands down be a disaster.

Wizzo

I'm missing the logic that this gives the House to the Democrats, what if his seat is filled by another Republican?

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There is no logic to their comment. Just spouting CNN talking points

artwilliams

Incumbency is a big advantage. People vote for "the devil you know". If his departure leads other Republicans to retire, as is likely, then it gives the Democrats a much greater change to take the House. No guarantee but it helps them.

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The establishment is willing to throw the elections to get rid of Trump if they have to. But they are calculating there the same way they calculated 2016. Just watch the Zuckerberg testimony to see that they hope to be in full control of the narrative by election time. They keep rehashing this.

What options does he have? The investigations going on in the background that no one (MSM) is really talking about. Trump is playing along to get along until he can drop those in their lap. Keep in mind the person who warned him about Obama's spying operations is sitting at the helm of the intelligence apparatus'. He sees everything. He is the man behind the curtain. He is set to retire soon. I don't think he will be leaving a job unfinished.

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crockett

There is a very solid Democrat choice already who has been out raising Ryan for his campaign fund. That's the reason Ryan is calling it quits, because he just like other Republicans who are scared to run and lose.. They know what's coming..

Paul Ryan's district is very purple it has a history of voting right or left.. Obama won his district as example.

Ryan stated previously if he thought democrats would win the house that he wouldn't seek re-election because he didn't want to be under a Democrat speaker.. Him sayi g he won't run speaks volumes about what he and his fellow republicans expect this election..

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ilnjscb

That is possible. But then Obama was considered the same. It is all about turnout. if the black vote turns out for Kamala Harris, she will win. They did not turn out for Clinton to the same degree they turned out for Obama.

The person holding the lead right now is a democrat who is very well funded. Now that he will no longer be a "protest candidate" there may be some scrutiny, but he will probably win. No new candidate can raise the millions he has raised. The election is in 7 months.

Really? This statement makes you look dumb. No one is spouting CNN talking points; can you post anything where someone from CNN said any of what has been said here? Come on, let's not do this - my threads are not partisan bullshit this is discussion.

This. No guarantee, but the likelihood is much greater.

crockett

Ryan's contender is out raising him in campaign money.. The guy is former military, a steal worker and a head of his local union and is from ooutside the beltway.. it's very doubtful Republicans can find anyone better than that guy.

Ryan's district is purple, it voted Obama previously.. Ryan was likely to get beat by this guy hence the reason Ryan is bailing out..

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ilnjscb

Perhaps, but:

he seems genuinely distressed.
he doesn't seem happy with Jeff Sessions, who would be the primary architect of this strategy.
all the races have except Georgia have gone 10 - 15% points to the democrat side. There is NO WAY losing the House can be a win, even in 13th dimension hyperchess. I said Trump was smarter than me, I didn't say he was Bobby Fischer.

If there is a republican with a talent for strategy they will cleave as closely as possible to Trump, support him in everything and present a united front, like Gaetz. That doesn't seem to be happening. Where is Gingrich, where is Coulter, where is Drudge? They seem to be dismayed and befuddled.

ilnjscb

I have argued with crockett many times on this board but he is 100% correct here. The district is not even remotely a safe one. It may have been for Ryan, with his advantage of incumbancy, but if even he assumes he'll lose we should probably accept that as true.

Bladewire

Yes and 41 Republicans in the House are "retiring" this year, not running for re-election.

Big beautiful blue wave is going to cleanse the government the next couple years, starting with blue Dems taking over the house

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So in your mind you're going to psychologically win no matter what after supporting Trump all these months by saying he wasn't really a Republican. Just like you say all the Republicans who turned against Trump, or didn't support him, weren't really Republicans.

That's the mental retardation aspect of your ideology. Nobody is one of you if they start to have an independent thought outside the mindhive.

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Acepimp

We've known since December that Ryan was gonna quit. He's shady as fuck, Trump & Sessions probably told him to quit or be charged with crimes.

Good riddance.

And Bladewire- sorry buddy but there will be no "blue wave" of democrats winning all the mid-terms. What's the platform they're running on? Raising taxes? Importing foreign welfare recipients? Stripping people's gun rights?

Good luck with that.

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^^^ Alt-right fake nic melting down that Ryan is going to be a lame duck until the elections

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He's played the "pissed at Sessions" role all along. It has to be that way or when they actually do do something it appears politically motivated and coordinated. IE McCabe's firing. Sure the left bitched and moaned but once the evidence of him lying 3 times to investigators was revealed they couldn't say shit. His firing also reveals an investigation going on for a lot longer than most believe.

Now as far as establishment Republican's.. Look what Graham just signed on to..

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...rotect-mueller

The establishment doesn't care what happens to Trump as long as their control is left untouched. Graham supposedly thinks the DOJ, FBI etc broke many laws yet he trusts the same people who actually broke those law to continue on? Mueller's entire staff was involved in that shit. 2 of them. Page and Strzok are key to all of the evidence.. They documented it.. Muellers "investigation" is all about protecting the status quo... Keeping Trump in check.. Nothing about Russia.

But again, there's been a quiet investigation going on

https://nypost.com/2018/04/10/fbi-lo...ther-ways-too/

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kane

I might be a little surprised if he runs for President, but I won't be shocked if he runs for Governor.

Acepimp

Huh? I'm not alt-right, or a fake nic, or melting down. I stated the fact that we've know since December. WTF is wrong with you? Go outside and get some fresh air.

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I'm not Republican, never have claimed to be, soooooo. I've had this same avatar since day one here. That should give you a clue.. Also if you look at my profile pic you'll find a pic of Bush playing around like he's getting blown off from way back then... I trashed the hell out of Bush. I was warned about him during his first run.. My ex baby momma is from Dallas. Her family were missionary green card holding immigrants from South Africa. Her grandfather ran a large church in a Dallas suburb. They knew the Bush family personally. Even invested in Jr's failed oil companies. (That's why they didn't like them after because Jr lost all of their investments) My oldest son's godmother's family is from Pakistan (her father was Ambassador to the US) and were given asylum here via Bush Sr. Here's the kicker. My son's grandmother (the South African preachers daughter) and his godmother (the Pakistani Ambassador's daughter) were a lesbian couple. Pretty much, you think I'm some (Russian) country bumpkin but the truth is my past and present is more diverse than you could EVER imagine in that feeble little retard brain of yours.

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crockett

Well to be fair, he might as well quit on top.. He's the first guy to create a trillion dollar debt...


Btw.. this is the front runner for the Republican party now that Ryan has dropped out..

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...te-nationalist

I'm guessing it's pretty safe bet the district will go blue..

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He was going to lose that's why

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You're an anonymous nic online who doesn't reveal your name, business, URLs, etc... ever, nothing. I'd be an idiot to "trust" what you say with no proof, especially with your hardcore Russian leaning agenda. You might not be a pro Putin Russian troll pretending to be American but until you stop trying to be stealth and prove who you are like I have, and other people here have, then we assume the most obvious conclusion. Communicating with you would be much more enjoyable if I knew you weren't a pro Putin Russian troll pretending to be American

Diomed

I don't understand how you guys were happy under Obama.

I don't understand why your not happy about the economy. Aren't most of you small business owners?

Wtf is going on.. Watching the Zuch speak at congress the other day was frightening. How can any rationale person be opposed to free speech and open debate?

Those are supposed to be liberal hallmarks.

Can none of you guys concede the willing slavery that is going on with this type of guff and identity politics? We need way less government involvement in our day to day lives.

Bladewire, how much are you getting paid to be a shill? Because if your not, honestly.. I feel sorry for the time you are wasting.

Back to life, enjoy!

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ilnjscb

Let's keep this thread serious - don't devolve into your usual shtick. Bladewire, down boy!

I find it hard to believe that this is all coordinated by a supragenius Trump. That explanation seems grasping and desperate.

*IF* he had won the special elections - maybe. But the Cook report says:

Ryan Retirement Puts WI-01 at Risk and Throws House GOP Into Deeper Turmoil

"As of today, there are still 19 states where filing deadlines haven't passed, home to 58 GOP members who are currently running for reelection but still could retire."

Do you find their analysis to be incorrect? If so, why?

2MuchMark

Didn't he promise to reduce the debt? Oh well.

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beerptrol

He cut taxes for the rich, now he's going to go and get a high paying job with one of those companies.
He's the captain of the ship and others seeing him jump ship will rethink about running for reelection!

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tfto

^^ Typical response from Bladelier.

kane

Exactly. When Trump was elected Ryan had two huge goals: pass a big tax cut and kill Obamacare. He got one of the two and now he is bailing before the shit hits the fan. Personally, I think we will see him run for Governor (or President depending on how the tax cut/massive debt thing works out) but for now he is going to keep his head down and let Trump catch the shit.

noshit

Paul Ryan stepping down is going to help the GOP in the midterms BIG TIME

PAtriots HATE Ryan more than any other politician
This HELPS, not hurts, the GOP

Ryan HAS to resign

Because God Emperor Trump is going to expose him for who he really is...

Traitor Ryan is Good Buddies with Mouaz Moustafa, an ISIS and Terrorist organizer


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