Tell me more about Kamala Harris' socialized medicine plan

[OneHungLo]

So is the government going to be in charge of doctors / pharmacy / surgeries? Are they going to set the salaries and wages for doctors? How is this all going to work and how are we going to pay for it?

[Bladewire]

Medicare for all is not a difficult concept to grasp.

You are aware of what Medicare is right? You are an American citizen?

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Medicare for all is not a difficult concept to grasp.

You are aware of what Medicare is right? You are an American citizen?

Sure but I have private insurance and many doctors don't accept medicaid so what happens then. And who is going to pay for all this?

Do you want the government controlling all your health needs. Ever been to the DMV?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

So is the government going to be in charge of doctors / pharmacy / surgeries? Are they going to set the salaries and wages for doctors? How is this all going to work and how are we going to pay for it?

Someone doesn't seem to understand how Medicare works.

The doctors, etc, do not work for the government. Their salaries are not paid for by the government.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Do you want the government controlling all your health needs. Ever been to the DMV?

We bought a new car last week and I had to go the DMV.... It was fucking awesome. Brand new building, walk in, no line, talk to one of two people at the front desk and tell them why you are there, they hand you a ticket, two minutes later I was called up front, two minutes after that I walked out.

[2MuchMark]

No one can tell you anything you don't want to hear.

[pimpmaster9000]

a reminder to americans that health insurance is a scam and that no person should have to insure health, water, air etc...it should be so cheap you do not need it...if you are paying more than a 100$ to visit a top specialist you are being scammed...

[Acepimp]

Do away with all private health insurance? This chick should be committed to an insane asylum

[Dead]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

a reminder to americans that health insurance is a scam and that no person should have to insure health, water, air etc...it should be so cheap you do not need it...if you are paying more than a 100$ to visit a top specialist you are being scammed...

My group policy just went up to 6grand a month Thanks Obama

[BaldBastard]

Here in Aus 2% of your tax goes to what's called the Medicare levy up to like 200k so the max anyone's pays is 4k a year but from that any insurance you pay is 100% deductible.

Those earning under 21k a year pay nothing.

So everyone has free healthcare, once your earning more than say 75k a year.. you may as well have insurance but it's tax deductible.

I'd expect the USA to adapt more of the Australian system than any other country.

Under the system here, yes everyone has free health care.. but 45% of population have health insurance as well.

So when you see the right-wing fear mongering you.. Don't think lets copy Venezuela or the UK think Australia, even Trump said we have a great system..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Australia

[thommy]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Sure but I have private insurance and many doctors don't accept medicaid so what happens then. And who is going to pay for all this?

Do you want the government controlling all your health needs. Ever been to the DMV?

maybe you should come out of your cave sometimes and look a bit around how other countries do that since I can think.

US have one of the WORST and most expensive healthcare systems in the world.
try to get an international insures anywhere in the world - you will get it but thy ALL exclude the US as the one and only country and there is a reason for it.

if people do not even have the option but the OBLIGATION to be health insured as less are the government spendings for medicaid at the end.

and people with health care live longer and work longer and pay longer taxes.
but you probably don't understand that any better than the fact that in countries where no weapons are sold to crazy, 99% fewer people die from weapons.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Here in Aus 2% of your tax goes to what's called the Medicare levy up to like 200k so the max anyone's pays is 4k a year but from that any insurance you pay is 100% deductible.

Those earning under 21k a year pay nothing.

So everyone has free healthcare, once your earning more than say 75k a year.. you may as well have insurance but it's tax deductible.

I'd expect the USA to adapt more of the Australian system than any other country.

Under the system here, yes everyone has free health care.. but 45% of population have health insurance as well.

So when you see the right-wing fear mongering you.. Don't think lets copy Venezuela or the UK think Australia, even Trump said we have a great system..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Australia

you find similar systems all over the 1st, the 2nd and even the 3rd world.

I personally don´t know ANY country where people would want to have the US healthcare system. Any politician who proposes something like this could immediately look for a new job (except in the US where people fight for their right to get ripped off).

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by thommy

you find similar systems all over the 1st, the 2nd and even the 3rd world.

I personally don´t know ANY country where people would want to have the US healthcare system. Any politician who proposes something like this could immediately look for a new job (except in the US where people fight for their right to get ripped off).

I know that.. and you know that, but when your trying to explain to American's you have to be very careful and speak extra slowly. Otherwise they will instantly go.. but look at what's happening in Venezuela or they'll compare it to the UK.

The UK system is fucked because their English, less that 20% of people have private insurance, trying to entice an Brit to spend a dollar to save their lives.. is a waste because they'd rather save the dollar. So they're never going to have a great system, because they can't afford to run it. Australia is not much better, but with 45% having insurance, it makes it more affordable for all.

[directfiesta]

stupid thread ... started by a stupid troll ... for stupid citizens .. that only want to hear stupid things

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

stupid thread ... started by a stupid troll ... for stupid citizens .. that only want to hear stupid things

That's because you're a foreigner who is mentally challenged

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

That's because you're a foreigner who is mentally challenged

being called '' mentally challenged '' by you is reassuring

[thommy]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

I know that.. and you know that, but when your trying to explain to American's you have to be very careful and speak extra slowly. Otherwise they will instantly go.. but look at what's happening in Venezuela or they'll compare it to the UK.

The UK system is fucked because their English, less that 20% of people have private insurance, trying to entice an Brit to spend a dollar to save their lives.. is a waste because they'd rather save the dollar. So they're never going to have a great system, because they can't afford to run it. Australia is not much better, but with 45% having insurance, it makes it more affordable for all.

what they don´t understand is the economic part on that.

they think they save but at the end again the normal taxpayer have to pay for all those who thought they will never get sick in their live.

the economic damage caused by people who simply cannot go to the doctor because they are not insured and the damage caused by those who are drug addicted through "medical care" is more than the total US defense budget.

but these people will answer you for sure that you just have to let such people die - but only as long as it doesn't concern them themselves.

but these complete idiots answer you for sure that you just have to let such people die - but only as long as it doesn't concern them themselves. because when it comes to their own ass these complete idiots see everything COMPLETELY different.

it is really a pity that people who are not teamplayers can influence who leads the team with their vote.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Sure but I have private insurance and many doctors don't accept medicaid so what happens then. And who is going to pay for all this?

Do you want the government controlling all your health needs. Ever been to the DMV?

Why not? It's far better at keeping people alive and in good health tan the private system.

As for doctors who don't join the scheme, what will be their alternative, drive an ambulance?

Paying for it is easy to answer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_per_ capita

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Do away with all private health insurance? This chick should be committed to an insane asylum

No one is doing away with private insurance. Anyone can take that out and get a 5 star treatment, but they pay for the State Run scheme as well.

[RedFred]

Private insurance is just a small part of the problem. Every part of the health system is based on greed and it's us who is getting exploited.

It is criminal that diabetics are now paying over $1000 a month for insulin just to stay alive.

Last year I went to the ER for what turned out to be a kidney infection. Was there for 4 hours and the bill came to $28,000. Luckily I have excellent insurance but someone still had to pay it. Where the fuck do people think this money comes from?

A visit to my general doctor costs around $700 for a 30 minute visit.

The US is the only modern country on the planet that does nothing to regulate what pharmaceuticals can charge and what hospitals can charge. We pay more for health care than any other country yet our life expectancy is actually going down. Republicans have fought tooth and nail to regulate any of this.

How anyone is OK with any of this is beyond me.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

Here in Aus 2% of your tax goes to what's called the Medicare levy up to like 200k so the max anyone's pays is 4k a year but from that any insurance you pay is 100% deductible.

Those earning under 21k a year pay nothing.

So everyone has free healthcare, once your earning more than say 75k a year.. you may as well have insurance but it's tax deductible.

I'd expect the USA to adapt more of the Australian system than any other country.

Under the system here, yes everyone has free health care.. but 45% of population have health insurance as well.

So when you see the right-wing fear mongering you.. Don't think lets copy Venezuela or the UK think Australia, even Trump said we have a great system..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Australia

When I lived in Australia the healthcare there was great! My doctor and drugs were cheap too

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

When I lived in Australia the healthcare there was great! My doctor and drugs were cheap too

+1 in Canada.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

+1 in Canada.

Why do so many Canadians come to the USA for healthcare?

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by thommy

maybe you should come out of your cave sometimes and look a bit around how other countries do that since I can think.

US have one of the WORST and most expensive healthcare systems in the world.
try to get an international insures anywhere in the world - you will get it but thy ALL exclude the US as the one and only country and there is a reason for it.

if people do not even have the option but the OBLIGATION to be health insured as less are the government spendings for medicaid at the end.

and people with health care live longer and work longer and pay longer taxes.
but you probably don't understand that any better than the fact that in countries where no weapons are sold to crazy, 99% fewer people die from weapons.

That's why I'm asking shitstain. Unlike you I don't pretend to be a know-it-all expert on everything. I'm aware of some of the shit that goes on with private insurance. I was curious how a Medicare-for-All scheme would work.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by onehunglo

why do so many canadians come to the usa for healthcare?

z
b. S.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

So is the government going to be in charge of doctors / pharmacy / surgeries? Are they going to set the salaries and wages for doctors? How is this all going to work and how are we going to pay for it?

They are in charge of:

Policing
Firefighting
Parks
Libraries
Schools

Etc... why not healtcare ?

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by celandina

They are in charge of:

Policing
Firefighting
Parks
Libraries
Schools

Etc... why not healtcare ?

Yeah but that's a big part of the reason why we're in debt. They spend money with reckless abandonment because nobody is really held responsible.

The bottom line is this - the government is totally inept running a lot of things. Yeah they get it done but at 10x the costs. I can only imagine what a colossal financial blunder they would be with healthcare. If they say it will cost 4 trill you better believe it will be more like 40 trillion.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by RedFred

Private insurance is just a small part of the problem. Every part of the health system is based on greed and it's us who is getting exploited.

It is criminal that diabetics are now paying over $1000 a month for insulin just to stay alive.

Last year I went to the ER for what turned out to be a kidney infection. Was there for 4 hours and the bill came to $28,000. Luckily I have excellent insurance but someone still had to pay it. Where the fuck do people think this money comes from?

A visit to my general doctor costs around $700 for a 30 minute visit.

The US is the only modern country on the planet that does nothing to regulate what pharmaceuticals can charge and what hospitals can charge. We pay more for health care than any other country yet our life expectancy is actually going down.

OMG FRED IS RIGHT (this time) !!!

The ROOT of the problem is PRICE-GOUGING. There are medical device manufacturers charging $14,000 for a device that costs $300 to manufacture. Hospitals charge $20 for an aspirin, $8 for tissues, $53 for latex gloves (more if they're sterile), $23 for an alcohol swab, etc. etc. And this is all legal. Add to this the massive amount of fraud in the healthcare industry.

But the politicians are getting kickbacks from these companies so they don't consider anti-price gouging legislation

[thommy]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Why do so many Canadians come to the USA for healthcare?

loool - i think they will build a wall soon to stop the insulin caravan from US.

insulin dose 1972 in USA $ 1.45 - now near to $ 400

insulin in canada (imported from the US) 60 Canadian dollars (what is still expensive as in Germany it is around 25 dollar and in thailand (also imported from the US the same brand
costs 8 $

imagine if that would happen to a TV it would cost more than a ferrari.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by thommy

loool - i think they will build a wall soon to stop the insulin caravan from US.

insulin dose 1972 in USA $ 1.45 - now near to $ 400

insulin in canada (imported from the US) 60 Canadian dollars (what is still expensive as in Germany it is around 25 dollar and in thailand (also imported from the US the same brand
costs 8 $

imagine if that would happen to a TV it would cost more than a ferrari.

Canadians seek treatment abroad

The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...or-health-care

I'm just asking the question, Thomas. Why are so many Canadians coming to America for their healthcare needs if theirs is so much better?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Canadians seek treatment abroad

The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...or-health-care

I'm just asking the question, Thomas. Why are so many Canadians coming to America for their healthcare needs if theirs is so much better?

Because we reside in the USA 6 months a year ( snowbirds). If we have a cold, an infection, etc... We get treated there. For major surgeries, we fly back north...
How does it work in Russia ?

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Why do so many Canadians come to the USA for healthcare?

6000 Americans a day go to Mexico for health and dental care. Why?

[Shedevils]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

So is the government going to be in charge of doctors / pharmacy / surgeries? Are they going to set the salaries and wages for doctors? How is this all going to work and how are we going to pay for it?

This is how it works, and works badly here in Canada.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by RedFred

6000 Americans a day go to Mexico for health and dental care. Why?

My guess is it's cheaper. Still doesn't answer the question why Canadians come here.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Because we reside in the USA 6 months a year ( snowbirds). If we have a cold, an infection, etc... We get treated there. For major surgeries, we fly back north...
How does it work in Russia ?

Oh so all those Canadians are snowbirds. Gotcha.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Yeah but that's a big part of the reason why we're in debt. They spend money with reckless abandonment because nobody is really held responsible.

The bottom line is this - the government is totally inept running a lot of things. Yeah they get it done but at 10x the costs. I can only imagine what a colossal financial blunder they would be with healthcare. If they say it will cost 4 trill you better believe it will be more like 40 trillion.

The evidence proves you are paying more for private healthcare than other countries with a better service pay. So why do you assume private, Policing, Firefighting, Parks, Libraries, Schools. Would cost less in the hands of big business?

Private schools charge more than public ones.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The evidence proves you are paying more for private healthcare than other countries with a better service pay.

I would be more for the government regulating them instead of getting kickbacks and letting them charge outrageous prices.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So why do you assume private, Policing, Firefighting, Parks, Libraries, Schools. Would cost less in the hands of big business?

Private schools charge more than public ones.

I don't know how the Czech government works but the US government are professional money wasters.

[beerptrol]

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Dead

My group policy just went up to 6grand a month Thanks Obama

that's why they should make it better.. whose in office now again?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

My guess is it's cheaper. Still doesn't answer the question why Canadians come here.

Why wouldn't we go there? People visit other countries all the time.

oh for healthcare... they go to your country because you have more available specialists because your population is larger. That make sense?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Do away with all private health insurance? This chick should be committed to an insane asylum

Maybe.

We have Medicare now and still have private health insurance. It's for people over sixty-five. Why not just open it up to everyone?

If we opened up Medicare to everyone.... Why would anyone need private health insurance?

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Maybe.

We have Medicare now and still have private health insurance. It's for people over sixty-five. Why not just open it up to everyone?

If we opened up Medicare to everyone.... Why would anyone need private health insurance?

But at what costs. 15% or 44m of the population is on medicare at a cost of 700 billion. Just going by those numbers it would cost us 4 trillion. Then what do you do with the 3 million people that work in the private insurance sector? The 6 trillion invested. A lot of questions.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Why wouldn't we go there? People visit other countries all the time.

oh for healthcare... they go to your country because you have more available specialists because your population is larger. That make sense?

That's a possibility.

As a Canadian, what are some of the pros and cons of your healthcare?

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Canadians seek treatment abroad

The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...or-health-care

I'm just asking the question, Thomas. Why are so many Canadians coming to America for their healthcare needs if theirs is so much better?

Why do americans go abroad for healthcare ???? Yours is not good enough .. or expensive enough ....

According to a 2015 report by the US International Trade Commission (USITC), between 150,000 and 320,000 Americans travel abroad every year to receive healthcare.

https://www.thisisinsider.com/medica...lthcare-2018-6

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Oh so all those Canadians are snowbirds. Gotcha.

Thisd is just for FLORIDA, ya Ruskie:

Canadians own some 500,000 properties in Florida alone, while 700,000 of them spend at least 31 days at a time in that state every year.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...nths-1.4011788

I will explain to you that these people are NOT 20, 30, 409 .... They are mostly over 65 ... so yes they use healthcare while residing ..

Your small peanut brain can understand that right ???? Oups , not so sure ....

[kane]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

Canadians seek treatment abroad

The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...or-health-care

I'm just asking the question, Thomas. Why are so many Canadians coming to America for their healthcare needs if theirs is so much better?

There are close to 37 million people in Canada. This means roughly one tenth of one percent of them came to the US for medical care. Let's not pretend like they are flooding across the border.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by kane

There are close to 37 million people in Canada. This means roughly one tenth of one percent of them came to the US for medical care. Let's not pretend like they are flooding across the border.

In the last 20 years I needed medical treatment once. You'd have to figure out how many Canadians get medical treatment, then deduct the amount that went to the US for treatment to get a real number.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

In the last 20 years I needed medical treatment once. You'd have to figure out how many Canadians get medical treatment, then deduct the amount that went to the US for treatment to get a real number.

[Dead]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

that's why they should make it better.. whose in office now again?

Obama was the one to put this all in motion, nice fat fines to the irs if we didn't play. Now the insurance companies have seen an influx and are raising rates to cover the hedge.

Combine this and the gouging from private companies and the whole program is doomed......yeah, lets let the government run a profitable business and trust them not to skim the corruption would be staggering!

[BaldBastard]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

In the last 20 years I needed medical treatment once. You'd have to figure out how many Canadians get medical treatment, then deduct the amount that went to the US for treatment to get a real number.

It comes down to population USA has 320 million, if you have a warty sore on your dick that looks like a Christmas tree, chances are in the USA.. there's a doctor whose dealt with that before, smaller countries less of a chance. It also comes down to drugs, big pharma mostly make for the American market, if its not approved in the USA, there likely to scrap it and try again, once something approved in the USA.. then they apply to other countries to sell it, but most countries have their own approval system. So something being realised in the USA might take 2 years to reach Aus.. if that's a drug that can save your life, and you've got 2 years left.. you get your ass to America.

It doesn't mean its a better system.. just you have a bigger population.

[RedFred]

Originally Posted by Dead

Obama was the one to put this all in motion, nice fat fines to the irs if we didn't play. Now the insurance companies have seen an influx and are raising rates to cover the hedge.

You must be young. Rates were rising 2-3 times faster before Obamacare.

Slower Premium Growth Under ObamaCare